1 00:00:04,770 --> 00:00:08,640 John Greenewald: Since October of 2017, intrigue and mystery 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:13,650 have surrounded Luis Elizondo, he says he had a secret UFO 3 00:00:13,650 --> 00:00:17,310 study known as the advanced aerospace threat identification 4 00:00:17,310 --> 00:00:18,840 program or a tip. 5 00:00:20,010 --> 00:00:23,040 But his journey telling the story about his career within 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,490 the Department of Defense has been challenged by the Pentagon 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:27,840 every step of the way. 8 00:00:29,610 --> 00:00:32,730 After years of seeking a paper trail to either prove or 9 00:00:32,730 --> 00:00:36,390 disprove his story, the black vault made a discovery that has 10 00:00:36,390 --> 00:00:40,980 turned the entire saga upside down. According to the Pentagon, 11 00:00:41,190 --> 00:00:45,390 they destroyed Elizondo his email box now the importance of 12 00:00:45,390 --> 00:00:49,110 this is that botch resides on a shortlist of evidence that could 13 00:00:49,110 --> 00:00:52,950 help solve the mystery of what really happened during Elizondo 14 00:00:52,950 --> 00:00:56,730 his days working within the classified intelligence world. 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,310 The biggest question when it was all over was whether or not the 16 00:01:02,310 --> 00:01:05,850 Department of Defense had proper authorization to destroy the 17 00:01:05,850 --> 00:01:10,830 data. And when asked, they were unable to prove it after nearly 18 00:01:10,830 --> 00:01:14,970 two months. This is the story behind what really happened 19 00:01:14,970 --> 00:01:19,440 these past few years to unravel the entire mystery. So stay 20 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,190 tuned. You're about to journey inside the black vault. 21 00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:05,850 That's right, everybody. As always, thank you so much for 22 00:02:05,850 --> 00:02:10,260 tuning in and making this your live stream or your podcast of 23 00:02:10,260 --> 00:02:13,650 choice. I'm your host, john Greenwald, Jr. And thank you for 24 00:02:13,650 --> 00:02:18,090 deciding to today take this journey inside the black vault 25 00:02:18,090 --> 00:02:23,820 with me. What we are talking about is, in my opinion, the 26 00:02:23,850 --> 00:02:29,190 single most important story that I have ever written on the a tip 27 00:02:29,190 --> 00:02:34,680 saga that is the rumored Pentagon UFO study, and Mr. Luis 28 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,780 Elizondo himself. Now the reason why I say that is because I 29 00:02:39,780 --> 00:02:43,980 believe it, I believe, with what happened throughout this entire 30 00:02:43,980 --> 00:02:48,210 saga with me trying to essentially Unravel the Mystery 31 00:02:48,210 --> 00:02:53,160 on what really is going on with this program. What ultimately 32 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,870 went down is incredibly important. And it actually goes 33 00:02:57,870 --> 00:03:04,380 to the heart, the soul of why I do what I do. As you know, I 34 00:03:04,380 --> 00:03:07,290 started when I was 15, hammering the government with the Freedom 35 00:03:07,290 --> 00:03:10,140 of Information Act. And I believed in two things, 36 00:03:10,350 --> 00:03:14,760 transparency, and preservation. Now, although I felt that there 37 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,490 were some reasons for withholding information, and I 38 00:03:17,490 --> 00:03:21,600 do still believe that, to this day, I was a strong advocate for 39 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,080 transparency and preservation. So whenever I hear no matter 40 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,320 what the topic is, that something is destroyed or 41 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,340 deleted, it's a punch in the gut, because I truly believe in 42 00:03:32,340 --> 00:03:36,810 the preservation of that history, especially with this 43 00:03:36,810 --> 00:03:41,250 topic, because they have seemingly been launching an 44 00:03:41,250 --> 00:03:46,110 attack about one of their own, one of their former own, where 45 00:03:46,170 --> 00:03:49,020 an employee comes out, he says what he did on the inside and 46 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:53,070 they start slinging mud. Is it true? Is it not? I don't know, 47 00:03:53,250 --> 00:03:56,850 as it's no secret. I've been real critical of the man myself. 48 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,560 But when it started to get dirty, that's when it got really 49 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:06,360 bizarre to me. And we'll go through some of that today. But 50 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,900 that is what this show is all about. Now, if you follow me on 51 00:04:09,900 --> 00:04:13,200 social media, you'll see that yesterday, I published this 52 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:19,050 article, I was entrenched in this thing for months. The 53 00:04:19,050 --> 00:04:24,420 research itself goes back three years. Now I want to talk to you 54 00:04:24,420 --> 00:04:29,490 a little bit about what that story is now and where we're at. 55 00:04:29,820 --> 00:04:33,120 Because if you didn't read the article, I recommend you do so. 56 00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:40,320 But I do understand it's long. And it's detailed, but it had to 57 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:45,720 be and that is why it has taken this long for me to ultimately 58 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,800 come out with it simply because I had to dot every I cross every 59 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,000 t triple and quadruple check what I was coming out with 60 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,500 because if I was wrong, I wouldn't have forgiven myself, 61 00:04:58,500 --> 00:05:02,310 let alone the fact But I think a lot of you all would not have 62 00:05:02,310 --> 00:05:07,230 done so either just simply because the claim is huge. Yet 63 00:05:07,260 --> 00:05:11,670 when it was all said and done, I could not find a reason not to 64 00:05:11,670 --> 00:05:15,900 publish this. Now here's the quick synopsis. Luis Elizondo, 65 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:18,480 the man who says that he directed that secret Pentagon 66 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,680 UFO study that we all know is the advanced aerospace threat 67 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,550 identification program, or you'll hear me say a tip. Well, 68 00:05:26,580 --> 00:05:33,270 the true value of a paper trail would either prove or disprove 69 00:05:33,270 --> 00:05:38,070 his story. Now, if you have followed, not only the black 70 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:41,460 vault, but this entire saga, you'll know that there have been 71 00:05:41,460 --> 00:05:46,320 a lot of challenges and hurdles for this guy to overcome. Now, 72 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,590 again, true or not, if you believe him or not, it doesn't 73 00:05:49,590 --> 00:05:52,170 matter. There are hurdles nonetheless. So if he's telling 74 00:05:52,170 --> 00:05:54,690 the truth hurdles, if he's lying, while they're hurdles, 75 00:05:54,690 --> 00:05:59,160 because he had to get by him. So he had a lot of challenges that 76 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:04,230 were thrown at him. And yet, he just kept marching forward. That 77 00:06:04,230 --> 00:06:07,830 was always impressive to me. And as critical as I was for him to 78 00:06:07,830 --> 00:06:11,220 communicate with me once I was finally able to get a direct 79 00:06:11,220 --> 00:06:14,310 line with him, come on my show and take some of those difficult 80 00:06:14,310 --> 00:06:19,290 questions. I admire that. And, and it probably wasn't the 81 00:06:19,290 --> 00:06:22,860 easiest of all things to do, because you have the weight of 82 00:06:22,860 --> 00:06:28,680 the Pentagon saying that he didn't do certain things. Now 83 00:06:28,710 --> 00:06:31,590 the big one was that he didn't play a role in the program. He 84 00:06:31,590 --> 00:06:34,890 said he did. But before we get there, that wasn't the beginning 85 00:06:34,890 --> 00:06:38,730 shot. And the beginning shot actually came if you could 86 00:06:38,730 --> 00:06:44,130 believe it, through the Freedom of Information Act, even before 87 00:06:44,370 --> 00:06:49,050 the December 17 2017 article from the New York Times and 88 00:06:49,050 --> 00:06:53,340 Politico that broke the story of a tip and took Luis Elizondo 89 00:06:53,340 --> 00:06:57,540 story to the next level. Yes, there was a shot fired prior to 90 00:06:57,540 --> 00:07:00,030 that. Now why do I say it? Well, 91 00:07:00,060 --> 00:07:03,360 when Luis Elizondo first came onto the scene in October of 92 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,860 2017. I literally was there watching it live at not there 93 00:07:07,860 --> 00:07:10,650 physically, but but on the internet where it's streamed 94 00:07:10,650 --> 00:07:15,660 live, and taking notes. Because the most intriguing aspect to 95 00:07:15,660 --> 00:07:20,190 that and it always has been, even despite the mud was Luis 96 00:07:20,190 --> 00:07:25,170 Elizondo, because he was the guy that that ultimately was proving 97 00:07:25,170 --> 00:07:27,930 something that not only myself, but others had been saying for 98 00:07:27,930 --> 00:07:31,890 decades. The government did have an interest in UFOs. They were 99 00:07:31,890 --> 00:07:35,970 investigating them, and they were a potential threat. That is 100 00:07:35,970 --> 00:07:39,510 something that has been so wildly overlooked from the 101 00:07:39,510 --> 00:07:41,790 Pentagon and the Department of Defense and the government and 102 00:07:41,790 --> 00:07:45,360 the intelligence community for decades. It couldn't have been 103 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,650 anything else but a lie. That's why I was such an advocate for 104 00:07:49,650 --> 00:07:52,320 for pressing for more information and digging through 105 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:58,020 the Freedom of Information Act. Elizondo proved all of that with 106 00:07:58,020 --> 00:08:03,000 that original press conference. But as time went on, those red 107 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,740 flags started to appear those questions started to appear. And 108 00:08:07,740 --> 00:08:12,300 back to that first what I call shot against Elizondo came on 109 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:17,580 November 27 2017. Because while I was taking notes that day, I 110 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:22,140 had filed Freedom of Information Act requests for information, I 111 00:08:22,140 --> 00:08:25,080 believe it was maybe the next day the next morning, but 112 00:08:25,380 --> 00:08:28,770 regardless, I mean within 24 hours of Elizondo storming out 113 00:08:28,770 --> 00:08:34,290 on that stage, I was going after records. It took till only 114 00:08:34,290 --> 00:08:38,760 November a fairly quick turnaround time for the D o t to 115 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,570 tell me that the program that Elizondo described, keep in 116 00:08:42,570 --> 00:08:47,490 mind, a tip had not been named in October. The name was never 117 00:08:47,490 --> 00:08:51,660 public until December. Obviously journalists were working on it, 118 00:08:51,930 --> 00:08:56,040 but nobody was chatting about it. There was no public, sizable 119 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,400 material that I can bring to you is only Elizondo, his 120 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:04,800 description, which essentially was described as an aerial 121 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,040 threat program that was that they were looking at, 122 00:09:08,310 --> 00:09:11,550 essentially those aviation threats, those aerial threats 123 00:09:12,090 --> 00:09:18,360 that included UFOs. And so that was his description. So the way 124 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,980 that I worded it to the do D was just that, that there was a 125 00:09:22,980 --> 00:09:26,700 program that was identifying aerial threats. I used Elizondo 126 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:31,290 his testimony it was public and sought after information, using 127 00:09:31,290 --> 00:09:34,680 only the description that Elizondo said, That's generally 128 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:39,030 enough to a FOIA officer. What came back was that the do said, 129 00:09:39,300 --> 00:09:43,110 we got nothing. We have no records responsive to your 130 00:09:43,110 --> 00:09:47,070 request. Now I have since appealed that I've won that 131 00:09:47,070 --> 00:09:54,360 appeal since 2018. The end of 2017 going into 2018 won that 132 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,720 appeal, it is still ongoing. So despite what I'm about to tell 133 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,950 you and in this video, just This particular case is actually 134 00:10:01,980 --> 00:10:07,770 still open. And the appeal is is granted. Regardless though, that 135 00:10:07,770 --> 00:10:10,800 was a red flag to me, because I thought, Well, look, this guy's 136 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,500 out there talking about it, which means it's, it's likely 137 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:17,970 not classified. Why would they have motivation to lie about it? 138 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,690 So to anybody who researches government documents, that part 139 00:10:21,690 --> 00:10:25,230 didn't make sense to me. And that was always a red flag. And 140 00:10:25,230 --> 00:10:28,620 I never, I never had any problems, even to this day 141 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:32,820 bringing that up, because if he is talking about it, you can 142 00:10:32,820 --> 00:10:36,540 establish that there is no classification about the 143 00:10:36,540 --> 00:10:40,950 existence of the program. That doesn't mean that aspects of it 144 00:10:41,130 --> 00:10:45,180 portions thereof deal in classified information. But the 145 00:10:45,180 --> 00:10:48,720 existence of it was not. So why would they say that there was no 146 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,230 records. So that's why I appealed, and ended ended up 147 00:10:52,230 --> 00:10:57,630 winning the appeal. The second shot was the big one. And this 148 00:10:57,630 --> 00:11:00,600 is where I just kind of like if you look at what I was saying 149 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,870 publicly and stuff like that, and followed the timeline. This 150 00:11:03,870 --> 00:11:07,320 is when I backed off, I'm like, Okay, this is going into an area 151 00:11:07,860 --> 00:11:13,080 that I did not expect. And this was then in, in 2019, the 152 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,330 intercept had published this article, 153 00:11:16,380 --> 00:11:16,980 I 154 00:11:17,190 --> 00:11:22,440 was floored when this statement came out. And you'll find me in 155 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,370 the article. You know, I was cited in one particular section, 156 00:11:26,370 --> 00:11:29,790 because I was asked for a little bit of detail about what was 157 00:11:29,790 --> 00:11:34,500 going on, because I was digging into this. But as skeptical as I 158 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:37,410 was when the Pentagon sent this out, and I know that the 159 00:11:37,410 --> 00:11:40,140 intercept wasn't the first to receive it, but they were the 160 00:11:40,140 --> 00:11:44,550 first to report it. I had confirmed it as well to ensure 161 00:11:44,550 --> 00:11:49,950 that it was a valid statement. And it was, that's when I backed 162 00:11:49,950 --> 00:11:53,820 off and went okay, this is I don't mean to laugh about it, 163 00:11:53,820 --> 00:11:57,390 but getting really bizarre, because it's one thing to say 164 00:11:57,390 --> 00:12:00,990 okay, that there's no documents on the program. Sure, that's 165 00:12:00,990 --> 00:12:05,280 fine, whatever, when you start taking shots in an actual person 166 00:12:05,730 --> 00:12:08,790 and say no, no, he didn't work on that program at all. He had 167 00:12:08,790 --> 00:12:14,460 no responsibilities on a tip and his entire career at that point 168 00:12:14,460 --> 00:12:19,920 was talking about not career but but but post resignation. His 169 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,750 whole public persona was talking about his career as the director 170 00:12:25,050 --> 00:12:29,430 have a tip and so when that came out, I'm like, Okay, I'm out No, 171 00:12:29,430 --> 00:12:33,060 like I don't want I really at that point didn't want any part 172 00:12:33,060 --> 00:12:36,930 of it. Because I wasn't there to attack demand. I was there to 173 00:12:36,930 --> 00:12:40,830 critique the story. And even though there was a lot of bad 174 00:12:40,830 --> 00:12:43,980 rap that came along with that, like all Greenwald's out to get 175 00:12:43,980 --> 00:12:48,810 them truly I wasn't I was trying to figure out what really was 176 00:12:48,810 --> 00:12:52,860 going on what what really happened during a tip and yeah, 177 00:12:52,890 --> 00:12:57,870 ultimately, who is this man like? Did he had it? Is this is 178 00:12:57,870 --> 00:13:01,170 this a government cover up? Is this a lie? You know, what, what 179 00:13:01,170 --> 00:13:04,500 ultimately is it? But more than all else, it was about 180 00:13:04,500 --> 00:13:10,440 critiquing the story itself. The man just came along with it. So 181 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,100 that was the big one. Now it should be noted that in 2019, 182 00:13:14,100 --> 00:13:18,150 when this when this all kind of came about Harry Reid, Senator 183 00:13:18,150 --> 00:13:21,660 Harry Reid, former majority leader when Senator when Luis 184 00:13:21,660 --> 00:13:26,100 Elizondo was was on the inside, he came out and vouched for 185 00:13:26,100 --> 00:13:31,590 Elizondo just weeks ago, in fact, about a month now it is 186 00:13:32,220 --> 00:13:36,180 April 26 of this year, Senator Harry Reid restated his 187 00:13:36,180 --> 00:13:40,350 endorsement of Elizondo I bring up the 2019 one, just so you 188 00:13:40,350 --> 00:13:44,370 know, that he he, although it wasn't as public as this one, 189 00:13:44,370 --> 00:13:49,440 Gotti Schwartz at MSNBC had had, or NBC had had, essentially 190 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,610 really put this into the limelight. But Harry Reid's been 191 00:13:53,610 --> 00:13:56,520 supporting Elizondo and his directorship have a tip since 192 00:13:56,730 --> 00:14:02,040 2019. So that is not new, the fancy letterhead with the Harry 193 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,870 Reid signature, that is new, I had taken this letter, just as a 194 00:14:06,870 --> 00:14:10,860 side note here to the Pentagon, saying, Okay, look, you guys 195 00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:13,230 have maintained this position for a very long time about 196 00:14:13,230 --> 00:14:16,320 Elizondo, and he hasn't gone anywhere. He's continuing to do 197 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,260 media interviews and making these claims. So clearly, 198 00:14:19,260 --> 00:14:22,950 whatever you guys are saying, it's not stopping him, and he's 199 00:14:22,950 --> 00:14:27,390 getting international attention. So my aim, and they've done it 200 00:14:27,390 --> 00:14:32,850 before, was to correct that statement, to have them alter it 201 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,360 and say whatever it was that they were going to say, based on 202 00:14:36,390 --> 00:14:40,860 new information and new evidence, and sadly, they still 203 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,630 post this harry reid letter, maintain that position, even as 204 00:14:45,630 --> 00:14:50,250 I'm talking to you today. They have not reneged why I don't, I 205 00:14:50,250 --> 00:14:54,300 don't know. But maybe that all plays a role into what happened 206 00:14:54,300 --> 00:14:59,610 as I was trying to track down a lot of this information in order 207 00:14:59,610 --> 00:15:03,780 to prove disprove the Pentagon Elizondo or both, you need that 208 00:15:03,780 --> 00:15:07,560 paper trail, because the spokespeople, as we've proven 209 00:15:08,550 --> 00:15:12,150 will change statements. They did that with me. So they will 210 00:15:12,150 --> 00:15:17,040 change their view. Although spokespeople you can cite their 211 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,760 answers and there is a legal reason why I get spokespeople, 212 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,800 statements, they're late. They're 213 00:15:24,060 --> 00:15:27,480 what's the right word to say this, I can legally cite them in 214 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,290 an appeal and they mean something, because the do de has 215 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,760 has authorized them to speak on their behalf. So if a 216 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:40,380 spokesperson says something that negates a foyer response, I can 217 00:15:40,380 --> 00:15:44,430 use that in an in an appeal. And generally they will, they will 218 00:15:44,430 --> 00:15:48,690 take that and in fact, it has worked. I have provable examples 219 00:15:48,690 --> 00:15:53,460 of that. So that their word as much as people hate them 220 00:15:53,850 --> 00:15:58,140 viciously, and don't care unless they say something good. But 221 00:15:58,140 --> 00:16:01,350 they don't care what those folks people say. There's a reason I 222 00:16:01,350 --> 00:16:05,280 go for that. And it is because it means something. So that 223 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,210 paper trail is the only thing that is going to either prove or 224 00:16:09,210 --> 00:16:12,780 disprove what the spokespeople are saying, and what is the 225 00:16:12,780 --> 00:16:16,620 quote unquote, official stance of the Pentagon or the 226 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:21,840 Department of Defense. One of those lines of paper trails, one 227 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:26,370 of many would be emails. Now we know that Elizondo worked for 228 00:16:26,370 --> 00:16:29,850 the D o t, that has never been disputed, even with people that 229 00:16:29,850 --> 00:16:34,230 are highly critical, such as myself and throw everything 230 00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:38,400 through a fine tooth comb that was never disputed. What was 231 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,820 disputed on the side of the Pentagon was whether or not he 232 00:16:41,820 --> 00:16:46,080 had this program. So what I started to do was to do was dig 233 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:50,220 into his emails and dig into the paper trail to prove or disprove 234 00:16:50,220 --> 00:16:54,630 what he was saying. Now first up that came out was this voice 235 00:16:54,660 --> 00:16:57,270 response that you're looking at if you're watching this video, 236 00:16:57,540 --> 00:17:02,880 which was all about the emails between Luis Elizondo in August 237 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:07,110 of 2017. I think the thread starts in September, but what 238 00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:11,610 you're looking at is in August, August 9, to be exact. This is 239 00:17:11,610 --> 00:17:17,070 the paper trail that got the three original videos to in 240 00:17:17,100 --> 00:17:23,100 December 2017. And then the go fast video in March of 2018. 241 00:17:23,580 --> 00:17:29,250 That got them reviewed. Now, according to Luis Elizondo, in 242 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,540 an interview that I did for this channel, he was unaware that 243 00:17:33,540 --> 00:17:37,770 these videos ended up in the public realm. And he was unaware 244 00:17:37,770 --> 00:17:41,070 that to the stars Academy had them. And he thought for a bit 245 00:17:41,070 --> 00:17:44,760 while I interviewed him, and he and he says that he does not 246 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,480 think that he knew that they were publishing them at all in 247 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:53,490 December of 2017. So take that for what it's worth. But that is 248 00:17:53,490 --> 00:17:56,910 Elizondo side of the story. As we've kind of learned a little 249 00:17:56,910 --> 00:18:00,870 bit more. what he wanted to do was an internal database, 250 00:18:01,050 --> 00:18:04,740 tracking these threats. Now, he described them as drones and 251 00:18:04,740 --> 00:18:08,700 balloons. But his explanation for that was he used the 252 00:18:08,700 --> 00:18:13,500 terminology because he couldn't inform dopps or on the reality 253 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:18,900 that they were UFOs or, or more accurately now, ua peas, again, 254 00:18:18,930 --> 00:18:22,920 take that for what it's worth, but this was the paper trail to 255 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,600 show how it all went down. And so my thought process was Look, 256 00:18:28,290 --> 00:18:34,170 if this will add more to the story, then obviously, there's 257 00:18:34,170 --> 00:18:37,830 more emails. I mean, the guy worked for the Pentagon for what 258 00:18:37,830 --> 00:18:42,630 over a decade decade at least, or so. So that's a heck of a 259 00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:46,500 paper trail. Something had to be said about a tip is directorship 260 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:51,660 UFOs whatever it may be. So I started digging in. I filed at 261 00:18:51,660 --> 00:18:54,630 least eight Freedom of Information Act requests 262 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,370 specifically aimed to target Luis Elizondo his email now you 263 00:18:59,370 --> 00:19:04,200 can see here because I've seen social media chatter on this he 264 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,820 Yes, he did have a do D mailbox. Yes, he did have an email 265 00:19:08,820 --> 00:19:13,920 account. Yes, he did use it. That's all kind of a safe 266 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,730 assumptions. But I see a lot of people kind of firing at my 267 00:19:17,730 --> 00:19:20,280 article saying well maybe he didn't have one maybe he used 268 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,930 private email. No, this was all through a legitimate God email 269 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,040 all provable with documentation. So my at least eight cases 270 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,310 because I think that there were more but eight for, for me being 271 00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:35,850 able to verify for this. I started seeking emails from 272 00:19:35,850 --> 00:19:39,690 Elizondo his mailbox that contain some of these keywords 273 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,370 on identified a tip OS app, which is one of the other names 274 00:19:44,370 --> 00:19:49,110 that's connected to the a tip program UAP community of 275 00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:54,390 interest to the stars delong put off. Obviously you can see where 276 00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:58,140 I'm going with that. Obviously you can see that I was seeking 277 00:19:58,140 --> 00:20:02,280 out a paper trail to see What was going on? Was he talking 278 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,070 with to the stars Academy? Was he talking about unidentified 279 00:20:05,070 --> 00:20:08,520 flying objects? Was he talking about uaps? Was he talking about 280 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,660 the a tip program? All of that would come up in the course of 281 00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:15,930 this request. Now, a couple things of note. When you file a 282 00:20:15,930 --> 00:20:19,230 FOIA request, you stipulate a timeframe. That timeframe that I 283 00:20:19,230 --> 00:20:23,880 stipulated was the entire career of Luis Elizondo while he worked 284 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,170 for the D o t. Hence, that email address I just pointed out to 285 00:20:28,170 --> 00:20:31,920 you would be used. I also put language in there that they may 286 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,350 have more than one email address, that could be for 287 00:20:34,350 --> 00:20:38,790 whatever reason, and I stipulate that just to be safe, just to 288 00:20:38,790 --> 00:20:43,530 ensure that I get everything that I am looking for. Something 289 00:20:43,530 --> 00:20:46,020 really strange happened, though, you can see this was back in 290 00:20:46,020 --> 00:20:51,090 December of 2019. This specific case I use as the example 291 00:20:51,090 --> 00:20:55,260 because it's pretty much the most common sense. 19 f 1903. 292 00:20:55,260 --> 00:21:00,150 This was a request that I did for Luis Elizondo emails, all of 293 00:21:00,150 --> 00:21:04,230 them that contained the word on identified that was the specific 294 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:09,630 request. There were the final determination in December, said 295 00:21:09,660 --> 00:21:12,900 there was not a single one, there were no records responsive 296 00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:17,010 to my request, you can see that clear is day after thorough 297 00:21:17,010 --> 00:21:20,850 searches of the electronic records and files. of no 298 00:21:20,850 --> 00:21:24,420 records. Excuse me, let me start over after thorough searches of 299 00:21:24,420 --> 00:21:28,260 the electronic records and files have no records of the kind you 300 00:21:28,260 --> 00:21:31,590 described, could be identified. Sorry, got a little tongue tied 301 00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:34,560 there. But that was how they said it. There was no records 302 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,440 whatsoever. This wasn't the only case that was getting that 303 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,880 others as well. A tip OSS app on identified the one I just read, 304 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:47,430 yeah, all of them were coming back as no records. Nowhere Did 305 00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:51,090 they say the box didn't exist a search, not in a single letter. 306 00:21:51,540 --> 00:21:56,250 So I appealed almost everyone, the ones that I had, I felt the 307 00:21:56,250 --> 00:21:59,880 evidence based on public testimony, and what had been 308 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:06,030 printed by other major media to appeal. I won every appeal that 309 00:22:06,030 --> 00:22:10,140 I submitted when it came to this particular topic, because I had 310 00:22:10,170 --> 00:22:13,770 enough evidence, the appellate authority, which is not the 311 00:22:13,770 --> 00:22:18,030 action officer that is involved in the foi request, meaning it 312 00:22:18,030 --> 00:22:21,750 goes to a higher office or adjacent office, whatever, but 313 00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:25,320 it's not the same. They are the appellate authority that looks 314 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:30,510 at my case and says, okay, Greenwald put up a case. There 315 00:22:30,510 --> 00:22:33,870 should be something, there should be no records, it should 316 00:22:33,870 --> 00:22:40,050 be a response and not a no records response. So let's 317 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,950 reopen this. They remanded back. It's called remanding. Back, 318 00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:48,510 they remanded back to OSD and they say process this again. So 319 00:22:48,510 --> 00:22:53,190 I won all the appeals that I submitted on these cases. Fast 320 00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:58,410 forward now to April, April 1 to be exact. And yes, as I noted in 321 00:22:58,410 --> 00:23:03,450 my article, the irony is absolutely noted in my head, 322 00:23:03,630 --> 00:23:09,420 April 1 2021. I got another no records response on this 19 F 323 00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:16,050 1903 case, where they said there is no records. However, this 324 00:23:16,050 --> 00:23:20,370 time, there was new new language. And I'll read it to 325 00:23:20,370 --> 00:23:23,940 you. Please note that emails of former Department of Defense 326 00:23:23,940 --> 00:23:27,120 employees are not retained unless they are considered 327 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:30,930 historical records and retained by the national record center. 328 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,800 There are currently no existing email accounts for Elizondo for 329 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,550 Mr. Elizondo, we believe that search methods were appropriate 330 00:23:38,550 --> 00:23:42,840 and could reasonably be expected to produce the requested records 331 00:23:43,020 --> 00:23:46,080 if they existed. Now remember those other emails that I showed 332 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,620 you about earlier in this presentation? Here. Now note 333 00:23:49,620 --> 00:23:53,700 this back to the letter. In regards to the records you 334 00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:58,260 forwarded responsive to your FOIA request number 18 fO 644. 335 00:23:58,740 --> 00:24:02,310 The defense Office of pre publication and security review 336 00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:07,410 office located those records from their records system. those 337 00:24:07,410 --> 00:24:11,370 records which we released to you were responsive to your request 338 00:24:11,370 --> 00:24:15,120 for all records slash correspondence relating to the 339 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:20,490 DD Form 1910. Sent to slash from Mr. Elizondo and their office. 340 00:24:20,910 --> 00:24:24,780 There were no other records located responsive to emails to 341 00:24:24,780 --> 00:24:29,760 slash from Mr. Elizondo in their records system. What does that 342 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,960 mean in plain English? simply this, what they were saying in 343 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,260 the first paragraph I just read you was that everything is gone. 344 00:24:37,770 --> 00:24:40,650 They didn't save Elizondo 's emails, it was more they were 345 00:24:40,650 --> 00:24:44,100 alluding to that, but I knew the writing was on the wall that 346 00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:47,580 they destroyed them. Now, don't worry, I didn't assume it. I do 347 00:24:47,610 --> 00:24:52,170 do have backup on that claim. So I assume that that that's where 348 00:24:52,170 --> 00:24:56,160 they were going with it. In my appeal, you could probably 349 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,870 deduce from this that I used those original emails in my In 350 00:25:00,870 --> 00:25:05,880 my appeal, as a basis to prove my case, hey, there's got to be 351 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,200 something responsive to this. They said that it was simply 352 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,910 because they got it from dotser. Not Elizondo his email box, but 353 00:25:14,910 --> 00:25:20,100 rather the receiving ends, email box. And so that was the only 354 00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:21,480 reason why they came up. 355 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,150 Back to confirming that assumption, because to me, it's 356 00:25:27,150 --> 00:25:30,090 clear, but it wasn't clear enough. Remember, I always 357 00:25:30,090 --> 00:25:32,550 talked about triple and quadruple checking this is why, 358 00:25:32,850 --> 00:25:35,820 because if I ran to the internet and went, aha, they destroyed 359 00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:39,390 Elizondo his emails, I could potentially get bitten in the 360 00:25:39,390 --> 00:25:44,820 rear rear end if pie, assuming too much. And so I always try 361 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:48,960 and figure out if I'm, if I'm right, when it comes to 362 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:56,700 assumptions, or 99%, sure, but not 100. I always make sure. It 363 00:25:56,700 --> 00:26:03,570 took two months, two months to confirm that this confirm 364 00:26:03,570 --> 00:26:09,270 officially that this was saying it was destroyed. Now when I say 365 00:26:09,270 --> 00:26:14,220 confirmed officially, I was waiting for approved language to 366 00:26:14,220 --> 00:26:20,400 publish in two months, they could not produce it. why that 367 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,710 is? I'll let you guys guess. I don't know. I will say that I 368 00:26:25,710 --> 00:26:30,450 followed up well into the double digits, trying to get those 369 00:26:30,450 --> 00:26:35,670 answers trying to get the approved language. I knew by by 370 00:26:35,670 --> 00:26:39,690 conversation, that yes, they were gone. And yes, they were 371 00:26:39,690 --> 00:26:43,650 standing by that, but I wanted to quote them beyond this 372 00:26:43,650 --> 00:26:50,130 letter. After nearly two months, we're just a couple days shy. Of 373 00:26:50,130 --> 00:26:52,950 the two month mark, after I first reached out, reached out 374 00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:57,420 for clarification. They still never gave me that language. But 375 00:26:57,420 --> 00:27:01,290 I said, Look, I'm done waiting. I shouldn't be expected to wait 376 00:27:01,290 --> 00:27:03,660 forever. This is a final determination and your letter 377 00:27:03,660 --> 00:27:07,290 speaks for itself. I'm just trying to give the courtesy that 378 00:27:07,290 --> 00:27:11,460 if I'm wrong, and I'm reading this incorrectly, I don't want 379 00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:15,570 to lay down a you know what storm on you guys? Because I 380 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,470 essentially allege something that isn't true. So you need to 381 00:27:19,470 --> 00:27:24,810 tell me is it can you at least confirm. And I can fall back on 382 00:27:24,810 --> 00:27:29,790 this? Can you at least confirm that they are 100%, destroyed, 383 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,500 deleted, however you want to say it, the data is gone. We can't 384 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:39,900 access the emails. And there's no backup. And I was given that 385 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:45,570 confirmation that I could then publish this article. But they 386 00:27:45,570 --> 00:27:49,380 knew it. I was not going to blindside them. I said, I said 387 00:27:49,380 --> 00:27:54,510 this is this is what I'm doing. So if I'm wrong, now's the time 388 00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:57,900 to tell me. And they said no that that that no matter what 389 00:27:57,930 --> 00:28:02,880 that they are standing by that. And that was it. So there is no 390 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,580 official statement beyond this letter. And what's that 391 00:28:05,580 --> 00:28:10,680 frustrating? You better damn believe it because I again in 392 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,910 the double digits was following up trying to get that approved 393 00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:19,200 language and trying to be fair, as fair as possible to the other 394 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,070 side. And in the process of being fair. I've known over the 395 00:28:23,070 --> 00:28:28,410 years and over the decades of filing FOIA requests. In order 396 00:28:28,410 --> 00:28:32,640 to delete government documents, you need authorization or an 397 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,450 authority to do so whether that be a presidential directive to 398 00:28:36,450 --> 00:28:39,450 destroy something, but more so what are called records 399 00:28:39,450 --> 00:28:43,710 retention schedules, or records disposition schedules. In my 400 00:28:43,710 --> 00:28:48,180 attempt for clarification with the do D. I specifically asked 401 00:28:48,210 --> 00:28:52,680 for that. They can say whatever they want, in addition to a 402 00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:57,630 records retention schedule, but I needed the citation. Now, in 403 00:28:57,630 --> 00:29:02,700 short, what those are, are records that ultimately define 404 00:29:02,910 --> 00:29:09,360 how long they keep government records based on type and 405 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,290 subject matter, along with quite a bit else. But I'm giving you 406 00:29:13,290 --> 00:29:18,450 the nutshell. every agency is different. Every type of 407 00:29:18,450 --> 00:29:22,050 document is different. There's very much a public perception 408 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,110 Oh, you can never delete a government record. It's illegal. 409 00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:29,340 It's absolutely legal. So when I knew that Elizondo his box was 410 00:29:29,340 --> 00:29:33,000 gone. I wanted the legal authority to do so because 411 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,260 either this was a interesting story. Or this was a mind 412 00:29:37,260 --> 00:29:41,040 blowing story. Interesting because well, it was legal. And 413 00:29:41,310 --> 00:29:44,100 here's the records retention schedule, but darn it, we can't 414 00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:49,200 confirm Elizondo story or the Pentagon story about a tip and 415 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,980 his work. Or it was a mind blowing story. They couldn't 416 00:29:52,980 --> 00:29:57,570 cite one. There's no authority and his boxes just gone. 417 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,540 It turned out A mind blowing story, in my opinion, will I be 418 00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:06,540 proven wrong tomorrow? Because then all of a sudden the do D 419 00:30:06,540 --> 00:30:09,630 kicks in with this record schedule that I couldn't find? 420 00:30:09,870 --> 00:30:12,720 Absolutely. That's a possibility. I'm waiting for it 421 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,530 though. Because if if it takes two months for them not to 422 00:30:16,530 --> 00:30:20,610 produce that, and then I publish this article, and then like, a 423 00:30:20,610 --> 00:30:23,610 day later, they go, Well, you know, why'd you make such a big 424 00:30:23,610 --> 00:30:27,930 to do? Here you go, then yeah, I'll create a fairly big storm 425 00:30:27,930 --> 00:30:31,740 about that, because I gave them nearly two months to produce 426 00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:34,380 that. But here's the bottom line, I don't think they will be 427 00:30:34,380 --> 00:30:40,590 able to. Before I published, I spent way too much time going 428 00:30:40,590 --> 00:30:43,440 through what you see on your screen here. These are the 429 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,530 records disposition schedules for the Office of the Secretary 430 00:30:46,530 --> 00:30:49,890 of Defense and all the sub components they're in. And 431 00:30:49,890 --> 00:30:53,730 there's a lot of them. The sub component there in that Luis 432 00:30:53,730 --> 00:30:57,210 Elizondo worked, was this one here, the undersecretary of 433 00:30:57,210 --> 00:31:02,010 defense for intelligence, or Oh, usdi. I think now it's Oh, usdi 434 00:31:02,010 --> 00:31:05,400 and s, intelligence and security. So I think they've 435 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,750 changed the name, but regardless, so he worked for 436 00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:14,310 this office here. You go through this records retention schedule, 437 00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:18,120 there's no mention of email. However, certain things I feel 438 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,090 would apply, and so did Mr. Elizondo, but it wasn't good 439 00:31:21,090 --> 00:31:26,400 enough. What I did feel applied was something that I found after 440 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,720 conversation with Elizondo Now, here's what we determined, as I 441 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,710 was asking him questions, trying to figure out in all of these 442 00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:38,190 schedules, which by the way, totals a ton of pages, it's not 443 00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:41,430 just, you know, one sheet, you have to go through all these 444 00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:44,640 different categories. And it stipulates how long and I'll 445 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,390 show you the part of it in a second, but to try and figure 446 00:31:48,390 --> 00:31:52,110 out the categories and confusing as all Heck, and and especially 447 00:31:52,110 --> 00:31:55,500 for someone who doesn't deal with it every day. It was a 448 00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,560 challenge. So I had to round it down to a couple different 449 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,650 things. I started talking to Elizondo about it and really 450 00:32:01,650 --> 00:32:05,640 kind of digging into his background, the thing that we 451 00:32:05,670 --> 00:32:09,510 that I had determined that then defined where he fit in the 452 00:32:09,510 --> 00:32:13,440 schedule, was that he was called a non Capstone official. And 453 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,530 that's important because documents in these schedules 454 00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:20,310 differentiate between non Capstone and Capstone. If you're 455 00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:23,970 curious what that means that generally that there are a high 456 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:30,300 senior level position that is permanent. And so those Capstone 457 00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:33,810 positions are generally more important than you would see 458 00:32:33,810 --> 00:32:37,140 like a low level contractor or something like that. So 459 00:32:37,140 --> 00:32:39,990 obviously, much higher retention on something like that, 460 00:32:40,350 --> 00:32:44,310 generally permanent, wherein low level contractors would be a 461 00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:49,830 much lower amount of time. He was a civilian employee, also 462 00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:53,820 defined in the schedules, and he was not a contractor also 463 00:32:53,820 --> 00:32:57,990 differentiated in the schedule. Now, based on that and quite a 464 00:32:57,990 --> 00:33:00,810 few other things I won't bore you with I had it rounded down 465 00:33:00,810 --> 00:33:05,190 then to something that I felt was to the tee, and it ended up 466 00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:09,060 being to the tee, which was found in series 100. For all of 467 00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:12,450 you that are taking notes of the OSD records, disposition 468 00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:16,560 schedules, subtitled general office records, and here Here it 469 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,510 is. Email retention for non Capstone officials. Here's the 470 00:33:21,510 --> 00:33:24,840 description all recorded information maintained an email 471 00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:29,610 accounts regardless of classification, for current and 472 00:33:29,610 --> 00:33:35,070 incoming non Capstone, OSD employees, civilian or military 473 00:33:35,070 --> 00:33:39,870 service members, supported by both D and non D email systems, 474 00:33:40,350 --> 00:33:44,100 including personnel on the Secretary of Defense Network who 475 00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:50,190 are not designated as Capstone officials. You'll note the key 476 00:33:50,190 --> 00:33:53,460 words that I just went through in conversation with Elizondo to 477 00:33:53,460 --> 00:33:57,540 try and figure all of this out. He fit to the tee in this 478 00:33:57,540 --> 00:34:03,570 particular category, from top to bottom. The key looked down here 479 00:34:03,810 --> 00:34:07,560 the disposition meaning how long do they keep it it is temporary. 480 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,050 It's cut off annually upon receipt destroy seven years 481 00:34:13,050 --> 00:34:17,160 after cut off essentially his cut off on his resignation 482 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,750 December or excuse me, October 4 2017. I know that based on his 483 00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:24,870 resignation letter, and I also got it later confirmed in 484 00:34:24,870 --> 00:34:31,350 writing by the D o t. That means that he's supposed to be there 485 00:34:31,380 --> 00:34:34,350 that the documents are supposed to be there until October 486 00:34:34,350 --> 00:34:40,470 4 2020. For what happened. I couldn't get a date of 487 00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:44,550 destruction. So I have no idea if it was within a day or a 488 00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:50,220 month or 30 days a six months, what, two years, three years. 489 00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:55,140 Doesn't matter. Documentation shows October for 2024. They 490 00:34:55,140 --> 00:34:58,500 should have kept some people thought emails just are deleted 491 00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:01,380 outright. I saw that on social media. To all sorts of theories 492 00:35:01,380 --> 00:35:05,370 going on around there, while again, this is 100% pertaining 493 00:35:05,370 --> 00:35:09,960 to email accounts, regardless of classification, let me take it 494 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,370 one step farther, you can see here, it also applies to email 495 00:35:14,370 --> 00:35:19,080 messages and attachments, email calendars, and appointments, 496 00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:23,130 email tasks, email chat transcripts, and other 497 00:35:23,130 --> 00:35:27,840 communications maintain on D are non D Systems. that acronym is 498 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,560 defense enterprise email, I think it is something to that 499 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,880 effect. But regardless, it's D and non D system. So you know, 500 00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:41,130 everything. And that's exactly what this story was about. So 501 00:35:41,130 --> 00:35:44,460 those that are firing kind of those skeptical shots at this, 502 00:35:45,060 --> 00:35:48,840 just know it is spelled out, I even saw a well known skeptic, 503 00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:52,620 one who I actually like one who I hope will do an interview with 504 00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:55,410 me not about this. But just because I like his work, 505 00:35:55,830 --> 00:36:00,600 immediately dismiss it publicly, because it's normal or standard 506 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,080 procedure or something like that. And it's like, did you 507 00:36:04,110 --> 00:36:08,910 even take 10 seconds to read that, that I that I have spent 508 00:36:08,910 --> 00:36:13,230 way too much time addressing that very point. It's not 509 00:36:13,260 --> 00:36:18,510 standard procedure. This, I believe is the procedure seven 510 00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:23,910 years. For those again, taking notes. I sent documents to 511 00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:28,470 Elizondo after I had established it's at least seven years, he 512 00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:32,580 was also looking at categories that he felt applied. And I want 513 00:36:32,580 --> 00:36:36,390 to point out in series 500, that there are different sections, 514 00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:40,560 which include intelligence, and special subject files, General 515 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,440 systems and policy correspondence and coordination. 516 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,120 All of these different sections would apply, he felt to him as 517 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,590 well, across the board of what he felt applied. It was a 518 00:36:52,590 --> 00:36:58,110 permanent retention. After 25 years after Elizondo retired or 519 00:36:58,110 --> 00:37:03,300 the documents, origination date, either one, I believe, 25 years 520 00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:06,150 thereafter, it would be transferred over to the National 521 00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:10,680 Archives. Yet again, let me stress permanent retention, 522 00:37:10,890 --> 00:37:15,060 never to be destroyed. So for those who want to talk about 523 00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:19,650 policy, go ahead, because this shows that those records likely, 524 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,360 and I'll say likely, should have been kept permanently. What I 525 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:29,160 can comfortably prove is seven years. And we're still a couple 526 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:34,560 years shy of when they were allowed to be destroyed. So what 527 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,270 happened there? I don't know. But the fact that the boxes were 528 00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:43,500 deleted, and they've known it as they were processing my 529 00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:46,050 requests, because I was told you're getting no records 530 00:37:46,050 --> 00:37:49,200 responses because the box doesn't exist. Well, I was told 531 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,310 that in the last month, I was never told that in the last 532 00:37:53,310 --> 00:37:58,470 couple of years. And in fact, to prove that point even farther, I 533 00:37:58,470 --> 00:38:01,650 was not just filing FOIA requests and getting no records 534 00:38:01,650 --> 00:38:05,580 and then appealing. And that was it. Rather throughout multiple 535 00:38:05,580 --> 00:38:09,450 cases, there were multiple instances of correspondence 536 00:38:09,450 --> 00:38:13,050 between me and the Freedom of Information Act action officers, 537 00:38:13,050 --> 00:38:17,310 this is one, the blurbs are my own just as a courtesy. But what 538 00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:20,250 I did was I was trying to make sure that the no records 539 00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:24,300 responses that they were giving giving me were based on searches 540 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,770 that were siprnet that were done on siprnet nipper net and j 541 00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:32,490 wickes. accounts. Meaning if you're not familiar with those 542 00:38:32,490 --> 00:38:34,980 systems, it's just the different levels of classification that 543 00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:38,190 they can communicate on. So let's say everything internally 544 00:38:38,190 --> 00:38:41,160 about a tip was classified top secret. While that would be 545 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,000 through Jay wicks, did they search it? From the action 546 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,480 officer, I can confirm that we did do searches correctly, 547 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,590 sipper nipper and Jay wicks accounts. And they signed the 548 00:38:52,590 --> 00:38:56,730 letter. What does this prove? Why wouldn't they tell me way 549 00:38:56,730 --> 00:39:01,920 back in December of 2019, when I started winning my appeals, why 550 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,530 wouldn't they tell me that it was gone. 551 00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:09,540 And I do have multiple examples. I link them in the article. I 552 00:39:09,540 --> 00:39:12,330 have multiple examples that if the government agency that 553 00:39:12,330 --> 00:39:18,210 you're requesting from destroyed records, they keep records of 554 00:39:18,210 --> 00:39:21,960 the destruction, so they may not have the records anymore, but 555 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,160 they have record of when they did it. The FBI is a prime 556 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,270 example of just that. And I offer again examples in my 557 00:39:30,270 --> 00:39:32,610 article, but they'll say we believe that there were 558 00:39:32,610 --> 00:39:36,930 responsive records to your request, or I believe they 559 00:39:36,930 --> 00:39:41,310 worded like there may be responsive records pertaining to 560 00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:46,020 your request, but they were destroyed on July 1 1985. And 561 00:39:46,020 --> 00:39:51,150 you see that a lot with like the mj 12 alleged members, you know, 562 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,480 not to work mj 12 in there, but to use a related somewhat 563 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,920 related example. A lot of those members have had portions or all 564 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,370 of their files destroyed. And I've got the dates of almost all 565 00:40:02,370 --> 00:40:07,170 of them. So that's what happens when records are destroyed. But 566 00:40:07,170 --> 00:40:10,440 in this case, I was communicating with them about 567 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,150 how they searched his email box. And yet here he they are 568 00:40:15,150 --> 00:40:21,780 confirming, yes, we can we searched all three networks. But 569 00:40:21,780 --> 00:40:26,850 by the way, the boxes are deleted. So it's moot. It's a 570 00:40:26,850 --> 00:40:30,120 waste of time. No, none of that. And instead, I spent all that 571 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,330 time filing appeals, the appellate authority within the 572 00:40:33,330 --> 00:40:36,030 Department of Defense, who I guarantee you don't work for 573 00:40:36,030 --> 00:40:39,600 cheap. They spent all that time then reviewing my material 574 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,170 remanding it back to the action officers. Then those action 575 00:40:43,170 --> 00:40:46,530 officers wasted all that time doing all of these searches 576 00:40:46,530 --> 00:40:50,760 again, on what, what were they searching? And why wouldn't they 577 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,630 tell me and it wasn't until April of 2021 where they finally 578 00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:59,490 did. One of the other things in their letter and let me go back 579 00:40:59,490 --> 00:41:05,670 to that screen really quick. Former d o t employees are not 580 00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:08,190 retained unless they are considered historical records 581 00:41:08,190 --> 00:41:11,970 and retained by the national record center. What I want to 582 00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:16,350 bring up now is a provable undeniable aspect of Luis 583 00:41:16,350 --> 00:41:20,400 Elizondo, his background, largely overlooked. I've seen it 584 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,750 mentioned by a few people but largely overlooked, and that is 585 00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:29,430 his his job title when he resigned. And when he resigned, 586 00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:33,210 he was the Director of the National programs, special 587 00:41:33,210 --> 00:41:38,520 management staff or the NPS, Ms. Now, what is that office? And so 588 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,210 when I saw his resignation letter, and yeah, I had concerns 589 00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:44,880 on whether or not it was even real because it leaked out and 590 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,390 it was kind of found through nefarious ways, but nobody's 591 00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:51,120 ever disputed it and Luis Elizondo himself, I think, has 592 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,790 even made reference to it. So and then History Channel 593 00:41:53,790 --> 00:41:57,600 published it when I unidentified aired. So, you know, a couple 594 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,480 years ago, it was like, Okay, well, then I guess this is real. 595 00:42:01,020 --> 00:42:04,800 And that office, I started digging in trying to figure out 596 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:10,530 okay, a tip aside, you know, what, what are these? What is 597 00:42:10,530 --> 00:42:14,070 this office? You know, what, what is what is he doing? What 598 00:42:14,070 --> 00:42:17,460 was his job title? What was how many people were underneath 599 00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:22,470 them? What was going on? Was this code for a UFO office? Was 600 00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:26,160 this something else? And at that time, when it first came out, 601 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,360 there was nothing if you googled that, that title, you'd only 602 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,390 come up to references to Elizondo Joe's resignation 603 00:42:33,390 --> 00:42:36,300 letter, and that was it. There was nothing else. Not that 604 00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:38,790 Google is the end all be all. But you know what I mean, you 605 00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:41,190 search for Secretary of Defense, you're gonna come up with 22 606 00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:44,700 billion documents, so it wasn't like that 607 00:42:44,730 --> 00:42:45,300 at all. 608 00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:50,730 So I started digging in deep. And the only at this point, the 609 00:42:50,730 --> 00:42:54,450 only official government documents that I was able to 610 00:42:54,450 --> 00:42:59,880 come up with were military corps transcripts from the Office of 611 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,750 military commissions on the trial of Khalida Shaykh 612 00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:09,630 Muhammad, or KSM. Yes, the 911 mastermind. And if you subscribe 613 00:43:09,630 --> 00:43:13,020 to this channel a lot. One of the first videos I did was 614 00:43:13,020 --> 00:43:18,720 actually about these documents. And I said them that I'll say 615 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:23,490 now i'm sure Luis Elizondo has seen a lot and knows a lot, 616 00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:27,150 obviously working in the highly classified settings and 617 00:43:27,150 --> 00:43:31,050 programs. And in this particular transcript, it was proven that 618 00:43:31,410 --> 00:43:36,030 number one, the attorney for KSM, was talking about the NPS, 619 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:41,850 Ms. Because they were the quote SAP access people. Here's 620 00:43:41,850 --> 00:43:45,480 another part of the transcript and NPS ms came up. And the NPS, 621 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,020 MS is the office it states the NPS, Ms. Is the office 622 00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:52,980 responsible for administering the Special Access Program for 623 00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:55,860 the Office of military commissions. And it was a line 624 00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:58,800 of questioning and it essentially went into Yes, that 625 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,540 is what they do. I confirmed with Luis Elizondo that this 626 00:44:03,570 --> 00:44:06,390 would not only was his office, but he was there around this 627 00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:12,600 timeframe. You can see October 2017. kind of put two and two 628 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,560 together, although he retired earlier that month. Obviously 629 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,950 this was something that had been ongoing for years. Other than 630 00:44:19,950 --> 00:44:25,560 confirming a yes, that is him. And yes, he was there. He 631 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:30,000 wouldn't expand anywhere else, which I totally understand. 632 00:44:31,110 --> 00:44:35,580 Going back to that if it's not a historical record, it's not 633 00:44:35,580 --> 00:44:43,500 saved. This is litigation of the 911 mastermind. If they are 634 00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:48,180 really going to argue that if Luis Elizondo himself or his 635 00:44:48,180 --> 00:44:52,860 office, whichever was communicating with KSM, his 636 00:44:52,860 --> 00:44:57,120 attorney and the background of why this came up was that one of 637 00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:03,120 the interpreters for the Defense Law SAP access, because they 638 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,680 needed special clearance to work and potentially see what might 639 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,160 be very sensitive or classified information that they had to 640 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,450 select that and then give SAP access to not only the 641 00:45:15,450 --> 00:45:18,870 interpreters, but the defense and so on that came up in the 642 00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:24,390 trial. If you're telling me that's not historical, and 643 00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:27,120 something that is involved in litigation and potential 644 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,270 evidence that could be that could be called on by an 645 00:45:30,270 --> 00:45:33,270 attorney, that that's not historical, and they just delete 646 00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:37,830 it. No way. There's none. It doesn't matter if you believe 647 00:45:37,830 --> 00:45:42,030 Louise Elizondo at all about his atep story or not, there is no 648 00:45:42,030 --> 00:45:45,270 way that anybody can tell me when you look at the actual 649 00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:49,800 evidence about what we know for a fact that Luis Elizondo did 650 00:45:49,980 --> 00:45:54,150 that his email box would just be wiped clean. And all of that 651 00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:56,850 stuff has gone and a tip material should it be there was 652 00:45:56,850 --> 00:46:01,470 just crossed a, you know, cross deleted off the face of the map. 653 00:46:01,830 --> 00:46:05,490 There's no way I don't buy it at all. And those records retention 654 00:46:05,490 --> 00:46:09,480 schedule sealed the deal for me. And the lack of ability that 655 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,140 they couldn't cite one also was very telling, because again, 656 00:46:13,170 --> 00:46:17,550 those FBI cases unrelated to this can cite those dates when I 657 00:46:17,550 --> 00:46:23,220 request them. So something is super fishy around here. One 658 00:46:23,220 --> 00:46:28,080 thing that I have shied away from for quite some time is this 659 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,970 lady here, who I deal with. And maybe after this video, we'll 660 00:46:32,970 --> 00:46:37,650 never deal with again, not by choice, but because maybe 661 00:46:37,650 --> 00:46:40,650 somebody is watching, but I think it should be noted. And 662 00:46:40,650 --> 00:46:44,820 what I'm saying here is sizable with documentation and 663 00:46:44,820 --> 00:46:50,550 historical fact. Back in 2003, Susan golf who is the Pentagon 664 00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:56,430 spokesperson, who is the sole spokesperson for UFO related 665 00:46:57,150 --> 00:47:01,590 inquiries from the mainstream media, anything related to 666 00:47:01,590 --> 00:47:06,930 Elizondo anything related to the UAP Task Force. And she fields 667 00:47:06,930 --> 00:47:11,220 all of that from not only the Pentagon slash d o t, but all 668 00:47:11,220 --> 00:47:15,180 the components thereof, the Air Force, the Defense Intelligence 669 00:47:15,180 --> 00:47:22,500 Agency, OSD, the US Navy, on and on. She is at this point and has 670 00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:28,590 been for some time, the only one that will talk about it. If you 671 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:34,470 now look into her background, and you look that back in 2003, 672 00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:37,380 the evolution of strategic influence by Lieutenant Colonel 673 00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:42,270 Susan L. Goff, where this comes into play, and I have not talked 674 00:47:42,270 --> 00:47:45,150 about this at all, until the last week. 675 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,700 The reason is, is that she and I'll read it to you just to make 676 00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:54,540 sure that I don't mess it up. And I'll read the part of my 677 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,320 article that deals with this, because this is cause for 678 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:03,090 concern, not only by myself as a researcher investigator, but 679 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:07,650 should be a concern to the general public. Let me read to 680 00:48:07,650 --> 00:48:11,070 you what I what I wrote, and then also, in turn quoting her 681 00:48:11,070 --> 00:48:15,000 paper, golf's background prior to commenting on uaps for the 682 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,170 Pentagon has not made her popular, too many online UFO 683 00:48:19,170 --> 00:48:24,450 Disclosure advocates. In 2003, she authored a strategy research 684 00:48:24,450 --> 00:48:28,830 project where she wrote that the quote, orchestrated combination 685 00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:34,380 unquote, of public diplomacy, psychological operations, and 686 00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:37,950 Public Affairs, is the definition of what is called 687 00:48:37,950 --> 00:48:43,620 strategic influence. She adds that the do D need she adds that 688 00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:48,660 quote, The do D needs someone with the appropriate position 689 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:54,270 and authority to oversee the policy and to coordinate do D 690 00:48:54,270 --> 00:48:59,130 strategic influence activities among God public affairs, 691 00:48:59,910 --> 00:49:05,970 military psyop and other military information activities. 692 00:49:08,220 --> 00:49:16,440 Do you feel that the person that is the sole person tasked to 693 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,210 comment on ua peas? Do you believe that they are more 694 00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:26,940 focused on the truth? Or do you believe based on this they are 695 00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:34,740 more focused on strategically influencing the public? And that 696 00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:38,550 is the biggest concern that I have and have had for quite some 697 00:49:38,550 --> 00:49:44,520 time. But I've kept quiet on it, because we are forced to work 698 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,990 with this individual and it will hurt posing these types of 699 00:49:48,990 --> 00:49:53,340 questions, but they need to be posed because after what I 700 00:49:53,370 --> 00:49:57,720 reported on yesterday, and what no one has yet been able to 701 00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:05,010 disprove and I am open to it. If they deleted the paper trail to 702 00:50:05,010 --> 00:50:09,120 either prove or disprove Luis Elizondo, the big fat question 703 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,770 mark is Why? Because if it was, if it was not authorized, if 704 00:50:13,770 --> 00:50:19,740 there was nothing that legally allowed them to do it, why did 705 00:50:19,740 --> 00:50:23,940 they do it? And if there was some type of authority that 706 00:50:23,940 --> 00:50:27,390 allowed them to do do this, whether a publication or 707 00:50:27,390 --> 00:50:31,680 otherwise a disposition schedule or otherwise, whatever it may 708 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:37,140 be, then cite it. Because after nearly two months of someone who 709 00:50:37,140 --> 00:50:42,600 has dug in for three years, and wasted an untold amount of time, 710 00:50:43,230 --> 00:50:47,640 let alone inside the Pentagon wasting all that time from the 711 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,640 appellate authority to the action officers of the Freedom 712 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,210 of Information Act, to the process of of having to in the 713 00:50:54,210 --> 00:50:58,260 double digits follow up to the people that I needed to follow 714 00:50:58,260 --> 00:51:03,060 up with asking for clarification on this. How much wasted time, 715 00:51:03,090 --> 00:51:08,190 money and resources is that all for what strategic influence? 716 00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:12,480 What was that the truth? And it just so happened to play out 717 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:18,120 that way? That is the issue that what we are dealing with, that 718 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:23,730 plays into again, the heart and soul and core of why I do what I 719 00:51:23,730 --> 00:51:31,800 do with the black vault, because we need the answers. We need the 720 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,390 truth, not only because of this topic, and it deserves it, but 721 00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:40,560 because of Luis Elizondo and the fact that he deserves it. The 722 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,250 fact that if Yeah, I'll say myself or if anybody else was 723 00:51:44,250 --> 00:51:48,720 used in a pawn in a strategic influence operation, call it 724 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:53,370 whatever you want. But if it was not based on truth, and we were 725 00:51:53,370 --> 00:51:57,450 just used as pawns to relay that message, what is that saying 726 00:51:57,690 --> 00:52:01,710 about this topic? And about how the general public is treated? 727 00:52:02,850 --> 00:52:06,540 Now to the powers that be that may be cringeworthy, how could 728 00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:10,050 john go? conspiratorial, and the reason is, is because the 729 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:16,050 documentation tells me to be the evidence is there that something 730 00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:19,680 is going on? It's clear for decades, we haven't had the 731 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,400 whole truth I've been touting that line for 25 years is since 732 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,420 15. It's obvious the evidence is there. But what type of 733 00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:31,920 strategic influence are they doing now? And who may be 734 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,080 suffering in the process. 735 00:52:35,550 --> 00:52:39,330 As always, I am interested in your thoughts, please feel free 736 00:52:39,330 --> 00:52:42,810 to post them right down there into the comment box here on 737 00:52:42,810 --> 00:52:46,140 YouTube. If you're watching anywhere else, let me know. 738 00:52:46,170 --> 00:52:48,330 Because YouTube's the only place you should be able to watch to 739 00:52:48,570 --> 00:52:51,870 be able to watch this. But if you're listening, there are tons 740 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,130 of audio podcast platforms, including Spotify and Apple 741 00:52:56,130 --> 00:53:00,570 iTunes. And wherever you get your podcasts you'll find the 742 00:53:00,570 --> 00:53:05,010 black vault radio, where this presentation and many others go 743 00:53:05,010 --> 00:53:08,040 down to audio form. 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