1 00:00:02,250 --> 00:00:05,220 John Greenewald: Just days ago, the black vault released a story 2 00:00:05,220 --> 00:00:08,700 that confirmed the emails of Luis Elizondo have all been 3 00:00:08,700 --> 00:00:12,840 destroyed by the Department of Defense. This paper trail that 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,660 is now gone for good would likely not only consist of 5 00:00:15,660 --> 00:00:19,830 emails, but also all attachments, scheduled tasks, 6 00:00:20,010 --> 00:00:24,120 calendars, chat transcripts, and other communications that 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,260 spanned nearly a decade. After months of seeking the proper 8 00:00:28,260 --> 00:00:31,740 authorization for the DOJ to do this, there was nothing found. 9 00:00:32,250 --> 00:00:36,570 When asked the Pentagon couldn't cite authorization either. Even 10 00:00:36,570 --> 00:00:40,620 after nearly two months of asking, in fact, documented 11 00:00:40,620 --> 00:00:43,710 protocol proves that this material should likely have been 12 00:00:43,710 --> 00:00:50,520 saved until at least October 4 2024, if not, possibly even 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,800 being mandated to be saved indefinitely. With this crucial 14 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,520 evidence seemingly destroyed. Stepping into the vault today is 15 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:04,920 Luis Elizondo himself. Now hear from him on what truly was lost, 16 00:01:05,310 --> 00:01:09,960 how he feels about it, and what the next steps may be. Stay 17 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:13,890 tuned, you're about to journey inside the black vault. 18 00:01:53,190 --> 00:01:55,590 That's right everybody. As always, thank you so much for 19 00:01:55,590 --> 00:01:59,310 tuning in and making this your podcast or your live stream of 20 00:01:59,310 --> 00:02:02,520 choice for those subscribers to this channel. Or if you're brand 21 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,480 new days ago, I posted a video which was connected to a very 22 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,290 long article which I worked approximately about three years 23 00:02:10,290 --> 00:02:15,360 on it took two months just to verify the lead of the story, 24 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:21,420 which was simply this the paper trail that will lead into better 25 00:02:21,420 --> 00:02:25,830 understanding a tip. the Pentagon's UFO story as it is 26 00:02:25,830 --> 00:02:29,910 largely referenced in the media would consist of Luis Elizondo 27 00:02:29,910 --> 00:02:34,230 his emails. And finally, after months of pressing, they did 28 00:02:34,230 --> 00:02:37,200 confirm the Pentagon and Department of Defense confirmed, 29 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,740 it's all gone. Now, although that may stay at sound like 30 00:02:40,740 --> 00:02:45,360 standard procedure, I, for months, tried to verify what, 31 00:02:45,570 --> 00:02:49,470 what authorized them to do this, and I was unable to do it. Now, 32 00:02:49,470 --> 00:02:52,170 that doesn't mean much. But I was pressing the Pentagon at the 33 00:02:52,170 --> 00:02:57,030 exact same time. And they couldn't prove it, either. Now, 34 00:02:57,030 --> 00:03:00,270 you've all heard my reaction to that. But more importantly, 35 00:03:00,420 --> 00:03:03,840 here's the man himself, Luis Elizondo, Louise, thank you so 36 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,380 much for again, stepping into the vault and spending some time 37 00:03:07,380 --> 00:03:08,040 with me here. 38 00:03:08,820 --> 00:03:10,800 Luis Elizondo: Yeah, john, my pleasure. Thank you very much. 39 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,390 And a big thank you to your audience as well. I know, a lot 40 00:03:15,390 --> 00:03:18,000 of folks who have been kind of following this, this topic for 41 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,720 quite some time, and look forward to addressing any 42 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,790 questions you you or your listeners might have. 43 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,060 John Greenewald: And I appreciate that. So like I 44 00:03:27,060 --> 00:03:31,920 mentioned, my audience has, has heard my reaction, a very quick 45 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:35,970 backstory, so they better understand it was almost two 46 00:03:35,970 --> 00:03:40,590 months to the day, when I picked up my cell phone and called you 47 00:03:40,980 --> 00:03:44,940 and said, Okay, this is what they're polling, I wanted you to 48 00:03:44,940 --> 00:03:48,810 be be the first to know, you ended up being essentially the 49 00:03:48,810 --> 00:03:52,170 only one to know, you may have shared it with others, but but 50 00:03:52,170 --> 00:03:56,280 in the sense I didn't talk about it at all. I want to start with 51 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:01,260 those emails and and get your reaction to this story. Let me 52 00:04:01,260 --> 00:04:04,860 take you back to two months ago. If I can ask you, were you aware 53 00:04:04,860 --> 00:04:08,130 of that? Or was that new to you that your emails were destroyed 54 00:04:08,130 --> 00:04:09,870 according to the Department of Defense? 55 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,590 Luis Elizondo: Well, I it was a surprise, but but not a 56 00:04:13,590 --> 00:04:17,910 surprise. You know, obviously, john, I've had to to the major 57 00:04:17,910 --> 00:04:21,660 portfolios I ran the last 10 years or so in the Pentagon was 58 00:04:21,660 --> 00:04:25,020 the UFO program. And then one that I haven't really talked 59 00:04:25,020 --> 00:04:30,330 much about, which is Guantanamo Bay. And clearly from a from a 60 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,090 perspective of not just posterity, but from a legal 61 00:04:33,330 --> 00:04:39,390 legal perspective. Anything that I was engaged in involving the 62 00:04:39,390 --> 00:04:43,950 911 Commission trials is considered discoverable in a 63 00:04:43,950 --> 00:04:47,880 court of law, it's considered evidentiary. And so that must by 64 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:53,100 law be preserved to for posterity sake, and there is no 65 00:04:53,370 --> 00:04:58,680 there's no destroyed 25 years. It stays around forever. So when 66 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:03,420 you when you had indicated to me that the Pentagon were good be 67 00:05:03,420 --> 00:05:06,990 grudgingly admitted that my my correspondence, my emails were 68 00:05:06,990 --> 00:05:11,070 destroyed. Obviously, I was very disappointed in that, because 69 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:14,850 frankly, it's it's, it's it's illegal in some cases, 70 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,530 especially as related to some of my work I was doing. But also 71 00:05:19,710 --> 00:05:22,380 disappointing and disappointing, because there are several 72 00:05:22,380 --> 00:05:26,460 categories of information that I was involved with that are 73 00:05:26,460 --> 00:05:30,180 specifically exempt from that destroy on, you know, let's say 74 00:05:30,180 --> 00:05:36,660 two or five or 10 years. And, yeah, there you have it. In my 75 00:05:37,830 --> 00:05:42,780 mind, am I surprised? You know, again, not really, I am, because 76 00:05:42,780 --> 00:05:45,990 it's such a bold act for them to do I mean, at that point, it's, 77 00:05:46,380 --> 00:05:48,840 you know, they say, Well, yeah, Lou had nothing to do with 80. 78 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:52,590 Okay, well, where it's just females, we don't have them. And 79 00:05:52,590 --> 00:05:55,350 so, you know, it's kind of this weird, you know, double 80 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:57,660 negative, right. In one case, you're saying that a tip wasn't 81 00:05:57,660 --> 00:06:01,020 real, and we never studied UFOs? And I wasn't part of it. On the 82 00:06:01,020 --> 00:06:03,840 second on the second episode on sale? Well, we don't have any 83 00:06:03,870 --> 00:06:07,770 any of those emails. Yeah, you know. So it's just, it's kind of 84 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,720 kind of bizarre where, where I 85 00:06:10,860 --> 00:06:13,320 John Greenewald: have stated publicly that this goes to the 86 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:19,350 heart and core and soul of why I do what I do. for 25 years. When 87 00:06:19,350 --> 00:06:22,230 I started, when I was 15, I realized that there were two 88 00:06:22,230 --> 00:06:25,740 main aspects that drove me it was transparency, and 89 00:06:25,740 --> 00:06:29,070 preservation. And with this particular case, the Department 90 00:06:29,070 --> 00:06:33,780 of Defense showed neither, they obviously did not want to give 91 00:06:33,780 --> 00:06:39,480 me these emails, I have at least or had at least eight FOIA 92 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,680 requests with various keywords going for this material. But 93 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:49,260 what was amazing to me was that even away from a tip was that 94 00:06:49,290 --> 00:06:52,470 that office that you directed, called the National Program, 95 00:06:52,470 --> 00:06:56,970 special management staff or men psms. You had mentioned the the 96 00:06:56,970 --> 00:07:02,070 get mo portion of that. Can I ask you away from a tip UFOs and 97 00:07:02,070 --> 00:07:05,490 all of that, with that particular office? Can you 98 00:07:05,490 --> 00:07:07,530 mention anything else that that office 99 00:07:07,530 --> 00:07:11,730 Luis Elizondo: did? I had to be very careful because it was 100 00:07:11,730 --> 00:07:19,830 very, very sensitive. It my I think one of my last emails may 101 00:07:19,830 --> 00:07:22,710 have been, I don't know if it was released, or someone had a 102 00:07:22,710 --> 00:07:25,800 copy of it. But in there, you can see that it was it was 103 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,330 definitely nuanced. It was a program that supported the White 104 00:07:30,330 --> 00:07:34,260 House and the National Security Council. So obviously, that 105 00:07:34,260 --> 00:07:38,340 information to be just willy nilly destroyed by the DOJ when 106 00:07:38,340 --> 00:07:42,720 we're talking about information that's beyond just title 10. is 107 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,880 frankly, silly. And I'll tell you something to john, from, 108 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,240 from my perspective, look, we haven't always necessarily 109 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,430 agreed on everything. And we can agree to disagree. But let me 110 00:07:50,430 --> 00:07:52,620 tell you, the one thing that I've always respected about you, 111 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,480 you are you are one of the most tenacious and probably one of 112 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:03,120 the most global experts on the FOIA process. And what why is 113 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,560 that important? Because FOIA isn't just a privilege. It's a 114 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,100 right. It's an act, or it's a law that was established by 115 00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:15,150 Congress to make sure that there is transparency within the 116 00:08:15,150 --> 00:08:18,780 government. Okay. That is, that is a law that was passed by 117 00:08:18,780 --> 00:08:23,070 Congress. So basically, it's not a option. It's not at Well, you 118 00:08:23,070 --> 00:08:27,780 can if you want, you know, you must comply with foil. And what 119 00:08:27,780 --> 00:08:32,040 I'm seeing here, besides this, this obfuscation and the these 120 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,580 these silly games that keep playing is that they are taking 121 00:08:35,610 --> 00:08:38,820 a law, and they're making a mockery of it. They're 122 00:08:38,820 --> 00:08:42,510 interjecting organizations and people into that calculus that 123 00:08:42,510 --> 00:08:45,840 are that are deliberately not supposed to be in there. They 124 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,130 are, they are deleting information, which frankly, 125 00:08:50,130 --> 00:08:52,020 between you and me, I don't believe they've deleted 126 00:08:52,020 --> 00:08:54,390 anything. I think it's just extremely damning and 127 00:08:54,390 --> 00:08:58,770 incriminating. So they don't want it to come out. And it's 128 00:08:58,770 --> 00:09:01,320 it's making a mockery of law. So at that point, you have to ask 129 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,640 yourself, john, when an organization in the United 130 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:10,440 States who is bound to uphold the law, is now breaking the 131 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:16,050 law, okay. Is that organism? Are those people that are in those 132 00:09:16,050 --> 00:09:20,580 positions? Do they represent the will of the government? Do they 133 00:09:20,580 --> 00:09:24,570 represent the will of the people in United States? And if the 134 00:09:24,570 --> 00:09:28,950 answer is no on both, then are they even legitimately in charge 135 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:34,170 of anything? much, that's my, that's my concern here, john, 136 00:09:34,170 --> 00:09:37,290 this is what exercises me so much that there are people that 137 00:09:37,290 --> 00:09:41,490 are willfully trouncing on on on might as well be the 138 00:09:41,490 --> 00:09:44,250 constitution because these are laws of balls of the land. 139 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,460 They're not they're not flexible. It's not like a rule 140 00:09:47,460 --> 00:09:52,140 that you can bend the rule of law you don't and and you have 141 00:09:52,140 --> 00:09:56,220 all people I'm sure probably are frustrated by this, but for me 142 00:09:56,220 --> 00:09:58,980 as a as a patriot and somebody who served his country in 143 00:09:58,980 --> 00:10:03,630 uniform You know, I fought against tyranny over in the 144 00:10:03,630 --> 00:10:09,210 battlefields of the desert and jungles and whatnot, only to 145 00:10:09,210 --> 00:10:11,490 find that same tyranny now within the halls of the 146 00:10:11,490 --> 00:10:15,540 Pentagon, that that is problematic that is that is that 147 00:10:15,570 --> 00:10:19,830 that is that is a true threat, if there was ever a threat is, 148 00:10:19,890 --> 00:10:25,440 is somebody upstanding with our freedoms, and and and basically 149 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,730 tearing up whatever whatever rules or laws have for you that 150 00:10:29,730 --> 00:10:33,480 they think, you know don't apply to them. These laws apply to 151 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,330 everybody. Yeah. And especially if you in a position of 152 00:10:37,350 --> 00:10:39,090 integrity government, you, you know, 153 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,510 John Greenewald: well, I appreciate those kind words 154 00:10:42,510 --> 00:10:45,900 about my work. And when I say that it really does go to the 155 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:50,730 core of of why I do this. It truly, it truly does. And going 156 00:10:50,730 --> 00:10:53,400 back to the question I asked you about your office, I know that 157 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,930 you get a lot of flak. And I'm happy to say it was never flak 158 00:10:57,930 --> 00:11:02,070 for me on this point, that, you know, you do have those security 159 00:11:02,070 --> 00:11:06,090 oaths and NDA is and and and clearances where you can't talk 160 00:11:06,090 --> 00:11:09,990 about it. And that was what was very evident to me about that 161 00:11:10,020 --> 00:11:13,740 office, because there was very little to dig up. And trust me, 162 00:11:13,740 --> 00:11:18,510 I've tried since 2000, whatever it was, that I have no doubt, 163 00:11:18,510 --> 00:11:23,070 john. But it was those Navy court transcripts that came up 164 00:11:23,070 --> 00:11:25,440 and I won't push you on it, because I know it is sensitive. 165 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,920 And I know it's still ongoing. But for Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, 166 00:11:29,250 --> 00:11:36,120 to reference your office in October of 2017. It's clear that 167 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,680 whatever you were doing within that office, was in dealing with 168 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:45,090 special access programs, and also giving what appeared from 169 00:11:45,090 --> 00:11:49,320 the transcripts, the translator, for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 170 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:52,860 access to the information for him to properly translate to the 171 00:11:52,890 --> 00:11:56,340 for the defense, and there was a problem with the judge because 172 00:11:56,340 --> 00:12:01,080 they had lost their SAP access. So for me to see that again, 173 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,710 away from the a tip story that made me realize a couple years 174 00:12:04,710 --> 00:12:08,550 ago, okay, this guy was into, you know, some some highly 175 00:12:08,550 --> 00:12:13,440 classified material programs, and obviously, the one that was 176 00:12:13,590 --> 00:12:17,190 spearheading that effort for others to gain access to those 177 00:12:17,460 --> 00:12:19,140 special access program. Well, 178 00:12:19,140 --> 00:12:21,000 Luis Elizondo: that's honestly john, what landed me on the 179 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,240 naughty boy list with with ISIS and Al Qaeda, that I was 180 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,590 informed that I, I was wound up being put on the on the kill 181 00:12:28,590 --> 00:12:31,920 list, which was not a very good day in the Elizondo house, or 182 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:37,320 they can make an assure you. But, you know, fortunately, for 183 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,100 me, just, I just wanted up on being on some sort of kill list 184 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:43,950 where other people actually, you know, lost their lives. So I'm 185 00:12:43,950 --> 00:12:48,240 definitely not saying that, that their line of work was was, you 186 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,390 know, anything more dangerous than anybody else. But it did 187 00:12:51,390 --> 00:12:57,960 put me in a situation where it, it, it may, it still is 188 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,860 technically, I'm still, you know, on that, that naughty 189 00:13:01,860 --> 00:13:05,760 list, if you will, which has not been been easy for my family, 190 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:06,210 for sure. 191 00:13:06,270 --> 00:13:08,430 John Greenewald: Sure. And I totally understand that. And I'm 192 00:13:08,430 --> 00:13:13,080 sorry to hear that. Because I know, that's obviously not easy 193 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,760 for you, your family and anyone connected to you. So with that, 194 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,180 though, what I wanted my audience to understand is the 195 00:13:21,180 --> 00:13:26,460 sensitivity behind this material that stretches well beyond a 196 00:13:26,460 --> 00:13:29,550 tip. I know, I keep saying that, but it's like, this has become 197 00:13:29,550 --> 00:13:34,050 such a bigger issue now. And that, that is why I got so 198 00:13:34,050 --> 00:13:36,690 attached to this a couple months ago when I realized they were 199 00:13:36,690 --> 00:13:40,200 playing that card. And they were saying, hey, look, for three 200 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,950 years you fought for these records. And oh, by the way, we 201 00:13:43,950 --> 00:13:47,100 don't have them. Let me let me point out one thing that I'm not 202 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:49,110 sure if I told you this privately, or maybe you read it 203 00:13:49,110 --> 00:13:53,730 in the in the email, but I want you to react to the importance 204 00:13:53,730 --> 00:13:57,600 of this before they told me that essentially, your your documents 205 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,290 were destroyed. And I want to also be clear, and clarify, 206 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,980 that's not just emails, by the records retention schedule, what 207 00:14:04,980 --> 00:14:08,040 goes along this that with that would be all of the attachments, 208 00:14:08,340 --> 00:14:11,790 all of the what they call text communications. And that was 209 00:14:11,790 --> 00:14:14,310 kind of a short list of things that are it's not just email 210 00:14:14,310 --> 00:14:16,590 like hey, you want to go have lunch today to one of your 211 00:14:16,590 --> 00:14:19,320 colleagues. You know, you're talking about the attachments 212 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,310 and everything that goes along with it. When I started getting 213 00:14:23,310 --> 00:14:26,610 these no records denials, but never did they mentioned that 214 00:14:26,610 --> 00:14:32,280 your stuff was destroyed. I verified triple checked that 215 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:37,980 they searched sipper net nipper net and j wicks to ensure that I 216 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:43,290 would get everything they wrote back and said yes, never once 217 00:14:43,290 --> 00:14:47,160 indicating that no an account existed or that it was 218 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:47,880 destroyed. 219 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,430 Luis Elizondo: Kinjo that's either one or two things john 220 00:14:50,430 --> 00:14:55,440 either a they still had the records back then and and they 221 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,440 were knowing that you were interested them said yes, we 222 00:14:58,770 --> 00:15:02,670 search through all this stuff. No records of that specific 223 00:15:03,450 --> 00:15:09,300 request has popped up in the system. And knowing that they're 224 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:13,170 going to go ahead and destroy these files, or the other option 225 00:15:13,170 --> 00:15:15,960 is they were already gone. And they were just stringing you 226 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,410 along. Either way, Something smells fishy, either, you know, 227 00:15:19,410 --> 00:15:23,250 those emails were there. And then once you won your appeal, 228 00:15:23,250 --> 00:15:26,400 they came back and said up, nothing to see here. Yeah, or 229 00:15:26,610 --> 00:15:28,680 those files already were destroyed, which they shouldn't 230 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,280 have been. And they were just saying, Yeah, yeah, nothing to 231 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,400 see here. Just move along. You know, we looked at we couldn't 232 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,920 find anything knowing full well that they were already 233 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:42,090 destroyed. But either way it's it's it's it's no bueno. It's up 234 00:15:42,090 --> 00:15:45,990 someone is, is been been manipulating the the FOIA 235 00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:47,790 process, in my opinion. 236 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:51,240 John Greenewald: Have you had a reaction not only from the 237 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,390 social media world because this pop that this article did become 238 00:15:54,390 --> 00:15:58,470 very popular very quickly within that world. But obviously, 239 00:15:58,470 --> 00:16:01,650 you're dealing with the media, the mainstream media, like on a 240 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:06,390 hourly basis. Every time I turn on the television, and there's a 241 00:16:06,390 --> 00:16:11,940 UFO story, you are right there on camera. You I hope we'll have 242 00:16:11,940 --> 00:16:16,380 an upcoming vacation soon. And get some sleep because me too. 243 00:16:16,410 --> 00:16:20,340 Yeah. Again, there's there's not 36 hours in a day, but you 244 00:16:20,340 --> 00:16:24,510 seemingly have squeezed that out. What is the reaction if any 245 00:16:24,810 --> 00:16:29,790 two people that you've been been talking to in the mainstream and 246 00:16:29,790 --> 00:16:32,580 those that have kind of tackled like, for example, Gotti shorts, 247 00:16:32,610 --> 00:16:36,270 I have a lot of respect for with NBC, he seems to really dig and 248 00:16:36,270 --> 00:16:41,250 he brought out that Harry Reid endorsement letter of view. And 249 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,240 obviously, Harry Reid has endorsed you since 2019, I think 250 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,080 was the first time publicly, but now it's, you know, Harry Reid's 251 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,240 letterhead, and so on and so forth. And that was Gotti 252 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,400 Schwartz, and with his investigative journalism, he 253 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,240 just kept pushing, pushing. And I respect that. Is there a 254 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,280 reaction that you've been getting from? Yeah, 255 00:16:59,550 --> 00:17:01,620 Luis Elizondo: yeah. You started a firestorm? JOHN, I mean, 256 00:17:01,620 --> 00:17:06,330 you've had everybody from Politico to CNN, Fox News, NBC, 257 00:17:06,330 --> 00:17:09,900 they're all looking at things right now, based upon upon your, 258 00:17:09,930 --> 00:17:13,620 your article, you know, you know, that that's something I 259 00:17:13,620 --> 00:17:16,170 could never publish. You know, obviously, one of the things I 260 00:17:16,170 --> 00:17:19,530 always want to do is make sure I, I never come across a self 261 00:17:19,530 --> 00:17:23,820 serving because I don't do it for me, I do it for a much more 262 00:17:23,820 --> 00:17:27,450 sacred reason. For me, it's to to get the truth out to the 263 00:17:27,450 --> 00:17:32,490 American people. With that said, you, you hit on something that 264 00:17:32,820 --> 00:17:35,640 really struck a chord with some people in the mainstream media, 265 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:40,170 and that is okay. Are we dealing yet with another iteration of 266 00:17:40,170 --> 00:17:44,280 the pentagon papers? are we dealing it with another issue, 267 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,180 like we did with with with Watergate where all of a sudden 268 00:17:48,210 --> 00:17:50,730 elements in the government are running rogue and doing things 269 00:17:50,730 --> 00:17:53,790 that they shouldn't have? And I think that's given a lot of 270 00:17:53,790 --> 00:17:55,980 people some some concern, because it's gonna lie about 271 00:17:56,010 --> 00:17:59,130 they're gonna lie about this. What else are they gonna lie 272 00:17:59,130 --> 00:18:04,200 about? Right, you know, and that is, I think that is that has 273 00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:07,170 struck a chord in certain elements within the mainstream 274 00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:11,070 media as it should. Yeah. Because once again, you know, 275 00:18:11,070 --> 00:18:15,600 there is a requirement the Public Affairs Office, is, is 276 00:18:15,630 --> 00:18:20,580 enjoying to, to, to dialogue with with the media, okay, 277 00:18:20,580 --> 00:18:23,790 there's that we have, you know, first amendment right, for 278 00:18:23,790 --> 00:18:25,740 freedom of speech. And of course, you have freedom of the 279 00:18:25,740 --> 00:18:30,360 press. These are inalienable rights that we hold very dear to 280 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:33,810 us. And when elements in the government that are supposed to 281 00:18:33,810 --> 00:18:38,640 be fair and transparent, don't they don't behave that way, then 282 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,940 you've got a problem in the past, there's been attempts by 283 00:18:41,970 --> 00:18:46,530 by these offices to mislead the press. And and it's never worked 284 00:18:46,530 --> 00:18:50,550 out well, for for the government to do that. Ultimately, the 285 00:18:50,550 --> 00:18:52,920 government has to be reminded that it serves the will of the 286 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,240 people not the other way around. 287 00:18:54,780 --> 00:18:57,330 John Greenewald: And and why I wanted to ask you that question 288 00:18:57,360 --> 00:19:00,810 kind of segues into the other thing that I wanted to catch up 289 00:19:00,810 --> 00:19:05,940 with you on was the O RG investigation by the D o t. Now 290 00:19:05,940 --> 00:19:09,090 what we know publicly is that they sent out a memo that they 291 00:19:09,090 --> 00:19:13,290 are evaluating that they went out of their way to not call it 292 00:19:13,290 --> 00:19:18,870 an investigation, but rather an evaluation of how the DOJ has 293 00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:23,070 handled the UAP topic. Now, there's a lot of rumors out 294 00:19:23,070 --> 00:19:26,220 there. But why I wanted to ask about the mainstream media about 295 00:19:26,220 --> 00:19:30,510 this is because part of those rumors are that and maybe this 296 00:19:30,510 --> 00:19:33,930 is more verified fact now, but I kind of felt more as a rumor 297 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,700 that this was about how you were being treated, and essentially 298 00:19:38,700 --> 00:19:42,330 targeted by some of these pointed statements in the last 299 00:19:42,330 --> 00:19:44,730 couple of years. Since I have well it's true. 300 00:19:45,030 --> 00:19:48,300 Luis Elizondo: It's true that they were targeting me and still 301 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:52,260 do. Yeah, and unfortunately they manipulated in us good people to 302 00:19:52,260 --> 00:19:56,550 do it. Which is which is for me, probably the most disappointing 303 00:19:56,550 --> 00:19:59,100 piece of this, you know people that that are truly just trying 304 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:03,630 to find The facts and the truth, but we're being misled willfully 305 00:20:03,630 --> 00:20:07,560 by it by a small grant cadre, if you will, or a group of 306 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,660 individuals at the Pentagon. And by the way that does not 307 00:20:09,660 --> 00:20:11,850 represent the whole Pentagon, I just want to make this clear, 308 00:20:12,180 --> 00:20:16,650 there are wonderful fine men and women working every day for that 309 00:20:16,650 --> 00:20:20,940 organization, and 99% of it is is just an exceptional 310 00:20:21,150 --> 00:20:24,810 organization. The problem is, as you know, it takes one bad apple 311 00:20:24,810 --> 00:20:28,560 to spoil the rest. And, you know, that that's, that's what's 312 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,990 happened in the Pentagon has been put into a position where 313 00:20:30,990 --> 00:20:34,770 it's made public statements based upon the input of a couple 314 00:20:34,770 --> 00:20:38,940 individuals. And now it's coming back to bite them. Rather than 315 00:20:38,970 --> 00:20:41,100 then, you know, just be forthcoming and truthful from 316 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:45,510 the beginning. They try to be clever, and unfortunately, it's, 317 00:20:46,140 --> 00:20:49,800 but it's coming out one way or the other. And guys like you who 318 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,460 are who are experts, eventually anything that is in the 319 00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:56,730 government's possession regarding that's unclassified, 320 00:20:57,030 --> 00:20:59,760 especially like this, I can I Gee, you know, don't think 321 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,340 that's not going to be made public. Yeah, it has to be made 322 00:21:02,340 --> 00:21:06,390 public at some point. So so it doesn't do anybody any good to 323 00:21:06,540 --> 00:21:09,540 try to lie right now. That's, that's the last thing you want 324 00:21:09,540 --> 00:21:13,950 to do. And that's why having this ag evaluation, I think it's 325 00:21:13,950 --> 00:21:17,310 so important because it's, it's, it's a bit of a release valve. 326 00:21:17,340 --> 00:21:19,500 You know, I'm a gearhead, right, so I'm always looking at in 327 00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:22,740 terms of cars, well, think of a waste gate on the turbo system, 328 00:21:22,740 --> 00:21:28,020 a waste gate is there to, to, to allow to disperse any 329 00:21:28,020 --> 00:21:31,230 overpressure in the turbo system, right. So you don't blow 330 00:21:31,230 --> 00:21:35,910 up love the engine. This, I think ag evaluation is very much 331 00:21:35,940 --> 00:21:41,850 the same way. It's a waste gate. It's a it's a way to allow some 332 00:21:41,850 --> 00:21:46,350 of that pressure to be released in an appropriate way that that 333 00:21:46,350 --> 00:21:50,040 is the purpose of the Inspector General is to conduct reviews, 334 00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:53,250 inquiries, investigations, and then provide those 335 00:21:53,250 --> 00:21:55,590 recommendations and this findings to the Secretary of 336 00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:59,190 Defense. So they can fix it. That's what the Inspector 337 00:21:59,190 --> 00:22:03,300 General does. And hopefully, hopefully, the big evaluation 338 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:05,700 here will will do the same thing. I have full faith and 339 00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:08,790 confidence in the ag right now. I've had a chance to work with 340 00:22:08,790 --> 00:22:12,210 them. The past always found them very professional. These are 341 00:22:12,210 --> 00:22:16,560 also trained investigators, and some are auditors. Some are 342 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,950 actual law enforcement investigators type in the 343 00:22:19,950 --> 00:22:22,620 intelligence community, but they've got a tough job, you 344 00:22:22,620 --> 00:22:24,480 know, and they're always they're supposed to be fair and 345 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:29,280 impartial and objective. And so far I that's that's what I've 346 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,730 seen with my experience with with the DOJ big. 347 00:22:32,910 --> 00:22:34,710 John Greenewald: So when I reached out to them, I was 348 00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:38,550 trying to fish around as I usually do. See what kind of 349 00:22:38,550 --> 00:22:42,540 fish I could catch. But I had asked them, you know, is is the 350 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,540 is part of the angle is the angle? What is it with this 351 00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:50,070 evaluation? Would that be you and I got Glo marred and for 352 00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:54,030 those who don't know, what glomar is they? They said we can 353 00:22:54,030 --> 00:22:57,840 neither confirm nor deny any involvement with Mr. Luis 354 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,220 Elizondo. So where I say the rumor is I read Brian benders 355 00:23:02,220 --> 00:23:06,000 piece about this made reference to your IP complaint that you 356 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,660 had submitted. I was surprised to see all that come out. But 357 00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:12,930 not surprised. I was happy, because as you noted, a lot of 358 00:23:12,930 --> 00:23:17,550 stuff will come out with that. So then, can I ask you outright 359 00:23:17,550 --> 00:23:22,350 as the evaluation that was that was announced? Is that based on 360 00:23:22,350 --> 00:23:25,650 your complaint? Or is that separate from this eval? 361 00:23:26,490 --> 00:23:29,580 Luis Elizondo: I cannot speak on behalf of the government. I 362 00:23:29,580 --> 00:23:32,070 think there's two things going on. I think there's an honest 363 00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:37,320 attempt in evaluation to to determine what if anything went 364 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,140 wrong over the last three years in the Pentagon's communication. 365 00:23:40,140 --> 00:23:43,230 Now that you've got this report due to Congress, there's a lot 366 00:23:43,230 --> 00:23:45,300 of pressure and at some point, people are gonna start asking 367 00:23:45,300 --> 00:23:47,880 some very difficult questions, right. Doesn't matter what the 368 00:23:47,910 --> 00:23:50,610 report says. At some point, they're gonna come back and say, 369 00:23:50,610 --> 00:23:53,460 Hey, Pentagon out that you said there was nothing to see here or 370 00:23:53,460 --> 00:23:55,680 Hey, Pentagon, I think you said there was something that's here, 371 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,480 either way, that they're in a corner. And and big is a good 372 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:05,070 way for for somebody who's in a position of leadership, like the 373 00:24:05,070 --> 00:24:07,830 Secretary to say, look, I realized there were some 374 00:24:07,890 --> 00:24:13,140 consistencies. And we we deliberately did this is an 375 00:24:13,170 --> 00:24:17,400 evaluation to see where things went wrong. Okay. That's that's 376 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,700 a prudent thing to do that, that that's something honestly, if I 377 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:22,860 was in charge, I would do that as well. I would do a self 378 00:24:22,860 --> 00:24:29,130 initiated ag evaluation now. Are there elements of an ag? 379 00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:34,470 complaint? We'll call that a complaint that has been received 380 00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:39,690 by the DOJ big Yes, that is also true. I'm not going to go into 381 00:24:39,690 --> 00:24:43,050 any specifics. Because I want the government the ability for 382 00:24:43,050 --> 00:24:45,780 the government to do its job without outside interference. 383 00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:50,880 You know, I don't want to I don't want to put I don't want 384 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,850 to backup the government anymore into a corner than they're 385 00:24:53,850 --> 00:24:57,150 already, you know, I'm trying to offer 386 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:58,260 John Greenewald: on their own 387 00:24:59,490 --> 00:25:01,110 Luis Elizondo: and I'm trying to To help them with a way out, 388 00:25:01,110 --> 00:25:02,940 right? I've been for the last three years saying, guys, come 389 00:25:02,940 --> 00:25:05,670 on You don't? You don't have to be this way. I'm not I'm not. 390 00:25:05,730 --> 00:25:08,130 I'm not trying to hurt you. I'm trying to help you. Yeah, I'm 391 00:25:08,130 --> 00:25:13,530 the one guy that your friend in this. But I mean, it is true 392 00:25:13,530 --> 00:25:18,540 that that I spoke with with the do di g again, I've been asked 393 00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:22,290 Let me tell you what they do di g told me Please do not 394 00:25:22,290 --> 00:25:26,910 elaborate on any of the questions that that we discussed 395 00:25:26,910 --> 00:25:30,210 or the dialogue. So that is that is what they asked. And I'm 396 00:25:30,210 --> 00:25:35,310 going to respect their their request on that. Until at some 397 00:25:35,310 --> 00:25:39,480 point, you know, I've given the ability to speak more freely 398 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:39,810 about it. 399 00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:43,590 John Greenewald: When they sent the memo out it I read it 400 00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:46,650 anyway. But maybe it was incorrectly read that they were 401 00:25:46,650 --> 00:25:50,640 going to like kind of have this wrapped up by June, that it was 402 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,240 a evaluation that they were doing in May. Do you have any 403 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,240 indication when that eval would be over? 404 00:25:58,290 --> 00:26:02,130 Luis Elizondo: Brother? I can't imagine any ag evaluation that's 405 00:26:02,130 --> 00:26:09,630 done in 30 days or maybe 30 months. But I don't know, unless 406 00:26:09,630 --> 00:26:12,240 they already have a preconceived conclusion of what they want to 407 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,480 say. I don't see how that's possible. I guess that to me is 408 00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:18,240 that would almost be a worse indictment on the government. 409 00:26:18,270 --> 00:26:21,900 Right? Because you can't do a first of all COVID has just now 410 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:24,420 allowed some of these people to go back to their office. Right. 411 00:26:24,750 --> 00:26:27,540 So they haven't even been allowed in their offices until 412 00:26:27,540 --> 00:26:31,710 recently. So I'm not sure. You know, you're going to do an ag 413 00:26:31,710 --> 00:26:34,590 evaluation and 30. I mean, maybe maybe they drop everything that 414 00:26:34,590 --> 00:26:39,690 they're doing this job, which is I don't think the case. I know 415 00:26:39,690 --> 00:26:41,160 that's not the case. But you know, 416 00:26:41,580 --> 00:26:43,710 John Greenewald: yeah, it's just the way that it the way that it 417 00:26:43,710 --> 00:26:46,440 read, it seemed like they were going to do this evaluation. And 418 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:51,360 then again, partly an assumption on my part. But now we're in 419 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,720 June when this report was going to come along. So I was 420 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,180 thinking, you know, okay, what are they trying to do? Do you 421 00:26:57,180 --> 00:27:03,240 feel that this is potentially going to be a delay for this UAP 422 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,850 report? Or do you believe that those are maybe two separate 423 00:27:05,850 --> 00:27:06,330 issues? 424 00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:09,810 Luis Elizondo: I think they're two separate issues. I hope that 425 00:27:09,810 --> 00:27:15,810 that the the, I hope that the UAP report is is too late, I 426 00:27:15,810 --> 00:27:19,380 don't think it will be. And from my understanding, it's going to 427 00:27:19,380 --> 00:27:26,700 be rather underwhelming, which is really a shame. My hope is 428 00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:30,030 that there'll be a follow on report, you know, this, 429 00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:34,410 honestly, 16 pages 17 pages isn't really enough to to have a 430 00:27:34,410 --> 00:27:37,530 comprehensive report of the last, you know, 70 8090 years 431 00:27:37,530 --> 00:27:40,890 worth of military sightings and documentation that exists. But 432 00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:43,050 you know, I'm not in DC right now. 433 00:27:45,090 --> 00:27:48,150 John Greenewald: So, that up to me, now, you have said that you 434 00:27:48,150 --> 00:27:51,330 were and helped me with the correct word, but either 435 00:27:51,330 --> 00:27:55,860 consulting or working with or communicating with those that 436 00:27:55,860 --> 00:27:58,770 are creating this report or the task force, or both, 437 00:27:58,919 --> 00:28:02,399 Luis Elizondo: I am doing my best to facilitate that process 438 00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:08,879 in whatever capacity that I am useful. without imposing my own 439 00:28:10,139 --> 00:28:16,049 will, you know, I have been been quietly doing my best to, to 440 00:28:16,049 --> 00:28:19,799 facilitate it's in everybody's interest to have have a fair and 441 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:23,009 comprehensive import, because not only does Congress expect 442 00:28:23,009 --> 00:28:25,349 it, but that's what they deserve, and ultimately serve 443 00:28:25,349 --> 00:28:29,249 the American people. So, you know, Don't you've already had 444 00:28:29,249 --> 00:28:32,669 seven years to screw this up. Don't screw it up anymore. Yeah, 445 00:28:32,729 --> 00:28:35,309 you know, I mean, for the love of God, at this point, here's 446 00:28:35,309 --> 00:28:37,859 your chance to get this monkey off your back now 800 pound 447 00:28:37,859 --> 00:28:40,769 gorilla that's been sitting on your back. Yeah, you know, you 448 00:28:40,769 --> 00:28:44,309 really want to carry that around for another decade or two. Don't 449 00:28:44,309 --> 00:28:48,989 do it. This is this is the time to, to do it. Right. And, and, 450 00:28:49,019 --> 00:28:53,159 you know, everybody at this point are we're all adults, we 451 00:28:53,159 --> 00:28:54,329 can we can handle the truth. 452 00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:58,380 John Greenewald: My biggest fear, not trying to be a 453 00:28:58,380 --> 00:29:01,680 skeptic, but rather looking back at history and the Condon 454 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,950 report. And, you know, I did this this article about 455 00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:09,150 essentially comparing how this is unfolding right now, and how 456 00:29:09,150 --> 00:29:12,150 it has unfolded the last few years and then how it unfolded 457 00:29:12,150 --> 00:29:16,710 in the 1960s. I eagerly await this report, but I fear that we 458 00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:20,610 are at what I call a Condon report 2.0 meaning, you know, 459 00:29:20,610 --> 00:29:24,090 this, this, this material that leaked out, which I want to ask 460 00:29:24,090 --> 00:29:27,870 you as one of my last questions here as we wrap up, but this 461 00:29:27,870 --> 00:29:30,960 material that leaked out, I fear that they put that in there 462 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,440 essentially as fodder for saying, Oh, well, we know what 463 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,160 these things are. We never, we never said that they were an 464 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,540 identified which is true. And I fear that that is playing a role 465 00:29:42,540 --> 00:29:46,230 in this but we haven't seen that chapter written yet. Do you 466 00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:48,060 believe that's a possibility? 467 00:29:48,810 --> 00:29:52,860 Luis Elizondo: Well, I'll tell you a look and I'm not let me 468 00:29:52,860 --> 00:29:55,290 preface this one way, john, because what I'm about to say 469 00:29:55,290 --> 00:29:58,170 some people are gonna look at they're gonna say, you know, Who 470 00:29:58,170 --> 00:30:02,400 the hell are you to say that But with all due respect, the Condon 471 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,810 report didn't have it didn't have Christopher Mellon, it 472 00:30:06,810 --> 00:30:09,960 didn't have Alex Dietrich, it didn't have Dave raver didn't 473 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,800 have Jim slate, it didn't have Ryan grace. It didn't have me. 474 00:30:14,730 --> 00:30:17,880 This is, you know, if they try to pull something like that this 475 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,700 is I've said this before, then they're gonna have a real issue 476 00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:22,890 on their hands, because that's gonna force guys like me who 477 00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:26,640 don't want to do it. But I will run for Congress. And I will 478 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,790 make sure that if I get in a seat there, I will make sure 479 00:30:29,790 --> 00:30:33,180 total transparency on everything, not just uaps all 480 00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:36,090 the other crap that I know that goes on behind these closed 481 00:30:36,090 --> 00:30:41,730 doors, I will make sure that that that people come to heal on 482 00:30:41,730 --> 00:30:44,880 that. And that that the will of the American people will be 483 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,180 represented period, I can assure you that there are elements in 484 00:30:48,180 --> 00:30:50,910 the Pentagon right now, that does not want a cat like me 485 00:30:50,910 --> 00:30:54,180 sitting in Congress, I promise you, I'm sure the sun will rise 486 00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:58,590 tomorrow. Because I'm not a politician. I never happened. I 487 00:30:58,590 --> 00:31:00,870 don't give a damn about politics. I care about serving 488 00:31:00,870 --> 00:31:03,660 the will of the American people. And you damn well better believe 489 00:31:03,690 --> 00:31:07,230 I will do it, I will go in there and I will, I will do what is 490 00:31:07,230 --> 00:31:10,950 necessary to make sure that we are never in this situation 491 00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:15,450 again, I will hold every single person accountable. Who's behind 492 00:31:15,450 --> 00:31:16,380 this kind of crap. 493 00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:19,140 John Greenewald: You bring up an excellent point. Condon didn't 494 00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:22,710 have individuals such as yourself, but in fairness, they 495 00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:27,630 had others I feel Condon was essentially an effort to ignore 496 00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:32,100 those important voices then, and again, just to kind of throw 497 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:36,570 throw the question at you in a different way. I believe their 498 00:31:36,570 --> 00:31:40,500 intent was to dismiss all of that to create a narrative that 499 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:44,010 they wanted. So the Dietrich's, the flavors, and all of that be 500 00:31:44,010 --> 00:31:47,970 darned, they had an objective and that objective was Let's 501 00:31:47,970 --> 00:31:51,120 wipe ourselves clean of this. And the shirt and the Condon 502 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,450 committee despite the voices they had had back then even a 503 00:31:54,450 --> 00:31:59,010 guy on the inside Dr. J. Allen Hynek, who saw firsthand and 504 00:31:59,010 --> 00:32:02,700 went from a skeptic believer essentially, that that those 505 00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:06,360 voices were just completely ignored. And they said not no 506 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,030 scientific merit to continue this, we're done. 507 00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:12,900 Luis Elizondo: JOHN, the only way this is gonna stop it. Like 508 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:17,280 I said, Before someone puts a bullet in my head. If If, if I 509 00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:20,040 even suspect that the government is not being when I say 510 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,080 government elements in the government are not being 511 00:32:22,350 --> 00:32:25,620 forthcoming with the American people, I will continue to 512 00:32:25,620 --> 00:32:29,700 pursue this doggedly and vocally, until the cows come 513 00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:34,080 home, I'm telling you, I feel the same. Chris is the same way. 514 00:32:34,350 --> 00:32:38,910 We're not giving up. We I know what I've seen. And same with 515 00:32:38,910 --> 00:32:42,390 those people that that, that I served, I took an oath, you 516 00:32:42,390 --> 00:32:44,850 know, to represent the will of the American people to defend 517 00:32:44,850 --> 00:32:47,880 this country from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Now that 518 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,840 oath is never changed. And I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit back 519 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,910 and let a bunch of bureaucrats, you know, abscond with with that 520 00:32:56,940 --> 00:32:59,520 responsibility to be fair and transparent with it with the 521 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,190 American people. This is what I've said before the American 522 00:33:02,190 --> 00:33:05,400 government. We do not work for the American government, the 523 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,660 American government works for us. And we must be prepared to 524 00:33:09,660 --> 00:33:12,780 tell the government what we expect of it. Don't sit back and 525 00:33:12,780 --> 00:33:15,390 wait around and let them tell us, oh, here's what you can 526 00:33:15,390 --> 00:33:20,640 have. Bullshit, man. That's not the way this works. who 527 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,550 represent us Don't ever forget that. Because the day you no 528 00:33:23,550 --> 00:33:27,060 longer represent us, you're gone, you're out. Because you're 529 00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:29,430 no longer legitimate. Your authority is no longer 530 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:35,520 legitimate. So so it is important that we, we, we we 531 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,970 gently remind our friends and the government, those elements 532 00:33:38,970 --> 00:33:41,850 that that forget their oath to the American people and remind 533 00:33:41,850 --> 00:33:44,820 them of their responsibilities, and make sure they don't confuse 534 00:33:44,820 --> 00:33:48,660 that responsibility with privilege, right? Sometimes we 535 00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:51,090 get when we get senior enough we start getting complaints that we 536 00:33:51,090 --> 00:33:54,240 start thinking we deserve it. No, you don't deserve it. No, 537 00:33:54,780 --> 00:33:58,590 you're there to serve us the people. And you know, this is 538 00:33:58,590 --> 00:34:02,640 why I said if I got to it, you know, I get pissed off enough 539 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,820 man. You know, I last thing I want to do is is get back into 540 00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:07,890 the fray of things. I need that like a hole in the head. I just 541 00:34:07,890 --> 00:34:09,780 want to be left alone and retire. There's a reason why I 542 00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:14,190 live in the middle of nowhere, Wyoming. But, you know, hell, 543 00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:18,480 man, if I got to put my boots back on, you know, I will I'll 544 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,050 be willing to do that. So we can we can get, we can finally get 545 00:34:22,050 --> 00:34:24,150 the answers that the American people deserve. And I'm not 546 00:34:24,150 --> 00:34:27,120 talking about, you know, relinquishing classified 547 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,060 information. I'm not asking I'm not saying that. What I'm saying 548 00:34:30,060 --> 00:34:32,730 is just be open and honest with the American people and don't 549 00:34:32,730 --> 00:34:35,490 deceive them. Whatever you do. The last thing you don't want to 550 00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:38,160 talk about a fine say No comment. But for the love of 551 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,800 God, don't go out and start lying to the American people. 552 00:34:41,220 --> 00:34:45,630 Because that's the kind of thing that that, you know, that's not 553 00:34:45,630 --> 00:34:47,700 just going to make me angry. That's going to make a whole lot 554 00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:48,810 of people. Yeah. 555 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,790 John Greenewald: The last question I have for you before 556 00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:54,750 we wrap up here is something that has fascinated me in the 557 00:34:54,750 --> 00:34:58,980 last month or so which is these leaked the leaked material 558 00:34:58,980 --> 00:35:03,870 that's coming out. We've got Various either videos let me say 559 00:35:03,870 --> 00:35:06,180 something I forgot here by the way in case anybody Miss 560 00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:10,350 understands anything I'm saying here at no time do I ever 561 00:35:10,350 --> 00:35:12,270 advocate violence 562 00:35:12,420 --> 00:35:15,060 Luis Elizondo: Okay, that is that is not what I'm saying here 563 00:35:15,060 --> 00:35:16,980 so I don't want people to say yeah lou is gonna go in and you 564 00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:20,730 know, I many cases I'm speaking proverbially when I say I'm 565 00:35:20,730 --> 00:35:23,820 going to go in and clean house that is that is using the 566 00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:27,390 instruments and the policies that are already available to to 567 00:35:27,390 --> 00:35:31,620 people who are in a position of power. Okay, I don't ever ever I 568 00:35:31,620 --> 00:35:34,290 don't want anybody to misconstrue, what I'm saying is 569 00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:37,800 that I am trying to advocate for any type of violent act, because 570 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,280 I am not, that is not at all the purpose of this a true democracy 571 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,350 is one that is won through words, and not violence. So just 572 00:35:46,350 --> 00:35:49,530 want to preface that real quick, just so no, anybody has any in 573 00:35:49,530 --> 00:35:51,960 the back of their mind, you know, that, um, when I say I'm 574 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,120 going to put my boots on, I don't mean I'm going to put, you 575 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,490 know, put my boots on and carry machine know what I mean, to put 576 00:35:56,490 --> 00:35:59,910 my boots on and carry a, you know, a billfold and a pen. 577 00:35:59,970 --> 00:36:00,960 Yeah, that's what I mean, 578 00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:02,760 John Greenewald: I didn't take it that way. But I appreciate 579 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,580 your your clarification. I think the restraint you've had in the 580 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:07,830 last couple of years kind of speaks for itself. But I 581 00:36:07,830 --> 00:36:10,800 appreciate the clarification. But so the last question here, 582 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,670 and then I'm gonna I know I have to let you go. But the leaked 583 00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:19,020 material, the videos, some briefing slides, and the 584 00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:23,880 swiftness that the Pentagon is confirming the authenticity 585 00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:30,240 taken by US Navy utilized by UAE PTF, but will not comment on the 586 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:34,680 designation? What are your thoughts about this material 587 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,260 leaking out? And what are we looking at? 588 00:36:38,910 --> 00:36:43,110 Luis Elizondo: I think we've got a sincerely we have a very much 589 00:36:43,110 --> 00:36:47,310 of a schizophrenic approach right now by by elements within 590 00:36:47,340 --> 00:36:51,420 within the Pentagon, I think they've been beat up so bad, on 591 00:36:51,420 --> 00:36:54,330 their contradictory statements that now they're almost over 592 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,530 eager to answer whatever they can, what's considered an easy 593 00:36:58,530 --> 00:37:02,400 pitch by the media. If there's a video that comes out rather than 594 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,800 delay, delay, delay and look foolish. Yeah, that was one of 595 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,110 ours. Yep. We're not going to talk about it. But that was one 596 00:37:07,110 --> 00:37:10,980 of ours. It's almost reflexive, you know, imagine sitting there 597 00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:15,720 at a at a batting cage, right? And you're in the 100 mile an 598 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:19,110 hour pitch, batting cage. But instead of one ball, you've got 599 00:37:19,110 --> 00:37:22,380 about 10 of these machines, watching balls at you 600 00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:26,280 constantly. And I think that's what's happening now that the 601 00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:29,700 media has has smell proverbial blood and realizes the 602 00:37:29,730 --> 00:37:33,900 inconsistent nature of some of the Pentagon's responses. You 603 00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:37,410 know, they're they're not, they're not letting up. And I 604 00:37:37,410 --> 00:37:40,500 mean, your proof proof in the pudding man you I mean, every 605 00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:44,610 time someone utters anything in the Pentagon, your, your proof 606 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,000 you're falling for Yes, man, you want everything you know, and 607 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,120 I'm sure that scares the hell out of them. And I know that the 608 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,450 last thing they want to do is, is be caught flat footed again. 609 00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:57,900 So I think they're probably just swinging the bat at anything 610 00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:00,480 that comes to them right at this point is probably almost 611 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,020 reflects it just just hit it. Hopefully you hit it. Who cares 612 00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:06,870 if it's a first base, second base, home run, or a fall ball 613 00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:08,370 just just hit the ball? 614 00:38:08,879 --> 00:38:11,909 John Greenewald: Yeah. And And just a quick follow up to that. 615 00:38:11,909 --> 00:38:15,119 We know the FLIR gimbaled and go fast videos when they came out. 616 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:18,689 It took a little bit of time, but they eventually had given 617 00:38:18,689 --> 00:38:24,179 the designation of unidentified or UAP. We know then by that 618 00:38:24,209 --> 00:38:27,509 that designation is not in and of itself a classified 619 00:38:27,809 --> 00:38:32,699 designation, but they won't do it with these. Do you feel? And 620 00:38:32,699 --> 00:38:35,639 then I promise, I'll let you go. Do you feel that these this 621 00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:40,679 leaked material is truly, in your opinion, a designated UAP? 622 00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:43,079 And if so, why won't the government say it? 623 00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:47,669 Luis Elizondo: I have to be careful because the I've been 624 00:38:47,669 --> 00:38:51,329 privy to information. It'll have my security clearance. And so I 625 00:38:51,329 --> 00:38:56,429 don't want to compromise. Anything that could be 626 00:38:56,429 --> 00:39:01,469 considered sensitive. So I'm not going to comment on on the 627 00:39:01,469 --> 00:39:03,989 specific videos that you're referring to the recent ones 628 00:39:03,989 --> 00:39:08,099 that came out. I know that the government has already stated 629 00:39:08,099 --> 00:39:10,439 their position that they are real. And I can tell you that 630 00:39:10,439 --> 00:39:12,479 they're real. I can tell you that now because the government 631 00:39:12,479 --> 00:39:16,349 has said that. But I really can't go into any more context. 632 00:39:16,859 --> 00:39:21,419 Now, is it possible that there is somebody trying to throw a 633 00:39:21,419 --> 00:39:25,439 bunch of we call it cat litter, you know, if you have a cat or a 634 00:39:25,439 --> 00:39:28,019 pet cat that your cat will sometimes get a little 635 00:39:28,019 --> 00:39:30,539 boisterous in their sandbox and start throwing cat litter all 636 00:39:30,539 --> 00:39:35,219 over the place? I have. So you know, it's just an attempt for 637 00:39:35,219 --> 00:39:39,599 the Pentagon to throw little cat litter and, you know, try to 638 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,099 throw people off off the scent so to speak. It's possible? I 639 00:39:44,099 --> 00:39:47,159 don't think so. I don't think they're quite Forgive me for 640 00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:48,989 saying this. I don't think they're that sophisticated. I 641 00:39:48,989 --> 00:39:52,889 think there are too much in react mode right now. And I 642 00:39:52,889 --> 00:39:57,209 think what you're seeing is a disjointed approach to this 643 00:39:57,209 --> 00:39:59,999 topic. There are some people saying yeah, we need to be four 644 00:39:59,999 --> 00:40:02,789 Coming as other people saying no, don't be forthcoming or be 645 00:40:02,789 --> 00:40:07,529 forthcoming about that, but not about this. I suspect that maybe 646 00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:11,009 maybe what what's going on again, I don't want to comment 647 00:40:11,009 --> 00:40:16,829 specifically on the last video simply because I, you know, I'm 648 00:40:16,829 --> 00:40:20,909 not a liberty to discuss discusses. Once the government 649 00:40:20,909 --> 00:40:24,449 has acknowledged further, more details, then I will be able to 650 00:40:24,449 --> 00:40:27,179 as well. But until that happens, I simply can't do that. 651 00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:29,700 John Greenewald: Sure, fair enough. And I know that you 652 00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:33,570 probably have a light scheduled day of 8700 interviews ahead of 653 00:40:33,570 --> 00:40:39,180 me. So I, I'm at the end of my slot, but listen, I mean, it 654 00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:43,350 thank you for your reaction to the email story. I'm eager to 655 00:40:43,350 --> 00:40:47,610 see how this plays out. Because I think of anything and 656 00:40:47,610 --> 00:40:52,230 everything that I've written about a tip UFOs yourself, I'll 657 00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:56,100 be at some not so popular. But this, I believe, is the most 658 00:40:56,100 --> 00:41:00,330 important and I truly, truly, truly feel that there is much 659 00:41:00,330 --> 00:41:03,600 more to this story to come. And I have this gut feeling that you 660 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,880 and I will probably have some more things to talk about. 661 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,400 Hopefully, you'll give me some more time when it allows. But 662 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,320 thank you so much. I'm 663 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,940 Luis Elizondo: going to share something with you short, quick 664 00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:15,930 observation which this is coming from some some colleagues and 665 00:41:15,930 --> 00:41:20,520 friends of mine in the Pentagon. You are one of the few people 666 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,840 that is truly feared within within public affairs office. 667 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,170 I'm not kidding. I've had people call me say you're not going to 668 00:41:28,170 --> 00:41:31,140 believe what just came across my desk, but I am not getting so 669 00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:36,390 it's you're making a difference. It's it's resonating. You are 670 00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:40,740 every bit as as part of this equation for disclosure as 671 00:41:40,740 --> 00:41:43,320 anybody else. And then you kind of make a distinction 672 00:41:43,350 --> 00:41:46,740 distinction between mainstream media and you but I'm not sure I 673 00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:49,710 think that line is blurred a lot. I think a lot of their 674 00:41:49,710 --> 00:41:52,710 stories and what they have is based upon your work. And all I 675 00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:55,470 can say is, you know, keep it up, man. It's it's making a 676 00:41:55,470 --> 00:41:59,220 difference. I'm hearing, I'm hearing a lot of good things in 677 00:41:59,220 --> 00:42:01,140 the Pentagon because of the pressure you're putting on 678 00:42:01,140 --> 00:42:01,530 people. 679 00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:04,020 John Greenewald: Well, that's awesome and motivating. So 680 00:42:04,020 --> 00:42:06,690 thanks for letting me know that and, and again, thanks for your 681 00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:09,420 time. We'll definitely talk soon. So you take care of 682 00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:12,870 yourself, your family as well be safe out there. And have a great 683 00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:16,050 time with those at 700 interviews today. You've got to 684 00:42:16,050 --> 00:42:18,240 john, thank you so much. Thank you and thank you all for 685 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,090 listening and watching this john Greenwald jr signing off, and 686 00:42:21,090 --> 00:42:21,960 we'll see you next time.