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America, and it boasts more than
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within its nearly 70,000 square
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Marley woods, but its exact
location remains a total

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mystery.

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Ripe with paranormal activity,
it rivals that of the more

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recognized Utah location known
as skinwalker Ranch. Though

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Marlee woods, unlike the Utah
location, which turned into a

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History Channel television
series has stayed away from the

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TV cameras and any widespread
notoriety. Ted Philips, a

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pioneering legend within the UFO
field, spearheaded the research

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into this mysterious location.
Although now passed away, his

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protege, and my guest today,
Thomas ferrario continues to

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hunt for the truth. He's here to
step into the vault and explain

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some of the darkest, deepest and
most frightening experiences

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that he and others have
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some of those experiences may
have even left a lasting

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physical effect that will be
with him for the rest of his

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life. Stay tuned, you're about
to take a wild ride inside the

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black ball.

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That's right, everybody. As
always, thank you so much for

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tuning in and making this your
podcast or your live stream of

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choice. I'm your host, john
Greenwald, Jr, founder and

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creator of the black vault calm.
And today is going to be an

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exciting show, because I get to
explore a topic that I've known

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about for a long time, due to my
friendship and relationship with

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the late Ted Philips, but also
my friendship with my guests

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today, Tom ferrario, who was one
of the main researchers that

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worked with Ted's Ted, on his
work on what's called Marlee

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woods. Now, we'll get to that in
a minute. But Tom, thank you so

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much for joining the show.

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Thomas Ferrario: Oh, well, thank
you, john, it's good to be back

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with you again. And we did all
have a connection there for a

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while we work together. And it's
good to be here. And of course,

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it's good to be anywhere right
now. I'll tell you.

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John Greenewald: Yes, it
certainly is. Well, I've been

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wanting to do a show with you
for a long time. You and I have

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known each other for many, many
many years and and I've

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respected you guys. Not only you
but to but the team that you

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work with simply because you go
for the science, the nuts and

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bolts, the evidence, and you
really just kind of dig in.

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You're not in it for the the
glitz and glamour and that that

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has always stuck with me over
the years. And I've always

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appreciated that about you. Let
me get you to give my audience a

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little bit of background, how
did you get into UFO research,

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paranormal research and why

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Thomas Ferrario: I actually
started in personal experiences,

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and I live in a rural community.
And through my experiences and

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people reaching out to me and in
a small community is taken very

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seriously. You know, people do
not go around talking about you

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follow the UFOs what they've
seen or experience. And when you

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get to be a trusted individual
in that community. Let me tell

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you, there's a lot more
experiences nationwide than you

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can imagine. And then I talked
on a Sunday afternoon, I get a

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call to move on and contacted
Walt Andrus, which at that time

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was in St. Louis, one of the co
founders have moved on. And I

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spoke with him two hours on the
phone and through my speaking

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with him, he just he thought I
should be in the move on should

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get some training. And he
assigned me to get some training

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and connected me with Bruce
Whitman. Very great individual

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was state director for a
movement in Missouri for many

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years. And I know you're, you
know, Bruce well, and but Walt

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actually made me a section
director on the phone. And when

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I contacted Bruce the first
time, Bruce actually said, Well,

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first of all, I don't know who
you are, and you're not even and

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move on. You can be a second
director. So I said Well, Walt

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Andrews assigned me and so Bruce
called him and we had a meeting

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the three of us and got me some
training when you signed me with

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a gentleman named Jim cross,
which was an Air Force captain

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in St. Louis, which I went out
on cases with him. And Jim was a

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very nuts and bolts man also, he
was a photographic analyst, also

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on the jet pilot. And I learned
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then with Bruce, of course, but
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that went into working with
Bruce on conferences. and fun. I

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will tell you from the first
lecture I heard, Jed and Phil

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have spoke at I was just amazed
and blown away by the man and my

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dream was always to work with
him. So I would send him letters

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and I finally got to meet him at
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working. And I offered my
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electrician and work as an
electrical engineer for some

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powerboat companies and along
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Well, he said if you're serious
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got. And so I that's how we met
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a practical one I I did the
wiring ran wires and foot

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cameras and Marley Woods up on
windmills and alike and then we

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got to be over the years close
friends and, and that's how my

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relationship with Ted started
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John Greenewald: Before we get
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background on Ted Phillips for
those who aren't aware he

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recently passed away or I say
recently, it's it's been what a

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year or two maybe?

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Thomas Ferrario: Yeah, was on
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lost it so bad. And I'll tell
you, it's a big loss. And the

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time has gone so fast. And we
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him near his home and in
Branson, Missouri. And we had a

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big hall, rented and several
people were going to come and

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john filet had made a video and
because of the darn virus, it

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just never happened. And we do
have a video we're putting

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together right now it should be
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believe within the next couple
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I'll give you the details on
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Um, but yeah, he was just an
incredible man like you said a

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nuts and bolts man. And you know
Ted's passion and you followed

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he started when he was a young
boy. You know, his father worked

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at a radio station and got him
an interview with two Air Force

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captains that bomber pilots from
World War Two that had course

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the typical Foo Fighters and
sightings and in I mean, close

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proximity to their plane within
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pilots hadn't. And like as Ted
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speaking with anyone than Air
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increased the passion in Ted and
he was very much a nuts and

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bolts man, as you said he worked
went to work with on a case

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actually in Missouri. People
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alonza Morris case, instead of
girl, but actually, Alan got

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with 10 on a case in Missouri,
which was a very monumental

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case, which we're working up
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going to get that out. We feel
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Zamora case that's never been
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John Greenewald: real quick you
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aren't aware you're talking
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process I am name and, and so
on. And Ted Phillips again, for

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those who aren't aware had
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which is how he started. And I
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history channel where we
explored Ted's origin story and

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tying back into Dr. J. Allen
Hynek. It is an amazing, amazing

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story about how they came
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so many years later how much Ted
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hard work that that obviously
was pioneered by who trained him

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essentially which was Dr. J.
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there and I appreciate your
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segue into now Marley woods,
simply because you've brought it

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up a couple of times. And also
this is I would say a great time

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to explore it because everybody
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outside of the UFO community as
a core. Now we see skinwalker

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Ranch as a History Channel
documentary, you know, they're

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out there with television
cameras. And in my opinion

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anyway, they give the impression
that's just this unique, one of

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a kind area. But Marley Woods
sounds like it is very much in

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comparison to something like
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all sorts of activity. So let me
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Marley woods? And what what what
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Thomas Ferrario: Marley Woods
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they were these places were more
unique. I will tell you that

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there are several across the
globe. Not to the intensity,

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though I will say as skinwalker
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Morley Woods isn't. And I will
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Woods is a fictitious name that
Ted we all originally put

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together because we have to we
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they asked us don't go looking
on a map for Marley woods, it is

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totally fictitious name, to
protect the participants in the

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ranch and everything that goes
on there, because we had a

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little security issues in the
beginning. And it doesn't get

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pretty, but it's an area that
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west and three miles north and
south. Now, it's comprised of

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two ranches. That one is 1200
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acres. With two, just two
property owners that we work

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with that, trust us implicitly.
And it is a place of high

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strangeness. And this goes back
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you, we tried to track it even
going back to Native American

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culture, we have not been able
to, we just recently found

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Native American, which we
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of them being in this area. And
we just recently found some,

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actually some elements that that
showed us that there had been a

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presence Native American
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with a natural spring in it. But
it's an area that I will tell

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you it, it has the high
strangeness everything you've

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seen on skinwalker I, I would
tell you that we have that and

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much more it we have the unseen
force. And I just list these

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briefly. Light ball activity
cryptid activity, which includes

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large white animals, Beast
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things. And it goes into cattle
mutilations. energy sources,

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which is very much similar to
what they're dealing with right

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now in skinwalker. We dealt with
we did narrow it down, I will

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tell you to the the energy
levels. And I will I am able to

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tell you right now that for a
short time, we we did have a tie

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with a Bigelow Foundation, we
worked with Colin Keller, and we

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had several other people with us
we worked with and our energy,

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so we did narrow it down to in
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that most of our our problems
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us do the and then this I must
say with Ted, everything is

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documented and done. If you
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you don't even mention it. And
there were a lot of things we

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didn't mention that went on
that. Later on that we wish we

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would imagine that. But that was
Ted's method. And he was for the

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scientific approach and method
and that's what we had to do.

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John Greenewald: Can I ask you
really quick to timestamp when

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you guys were there with
Bigelow's funding or Colm

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Kelleher, his involvement? When
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Thomas Ferrario: Oh, that was
back, I would say in the

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2008 2009 period. And it was,
you know, we had a relationship,

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they'd spend time with us. And
they wanted us to come out and

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spend time with them at
skinwalker. We never had the

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time or the ability because we
were a small team. And quite

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frankly, we had things just
exploding off the chart at that

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period at Morley that we were
dealing with that like 10 nine

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and the team Adam Johnson and a
gal that's a state director now,

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which I call her my sister.
We're very close. She's the

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state director for move on now.
Debbie Ziggler Meyer, I know you

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know that Debbie's a Debbie. And
she's been on a lot of

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productions lately of late. Any
Alaskan triangle, but uh, but we

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were, we were running our tails
off out there at times. And we

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spent a lot of time out there 10
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circuit, and Marley woods, I was
away from home more than I was

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at home, I'll tell you and but
the high strangeness of this

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area is just it went off the
scales at times. And I will tell

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you whenever you'd like me to
get into it, there was a

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downside that Ted didn't like to
speak of very much. It was the

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physical effects encountered by
the team. And some of us. Yeah.

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Ted, Ted didn't like the
researchers to be part of the

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research ever. So many didn't
want to upset the ranchers, they

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the property owners.

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John Greenewald: I do want to
get in. I do want to get into

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that. I want to ask you one.
Yeah, I'm not sure if you can

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answer. So I'll apologize in
advance, when you would. And the

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reason why I'm asking about the
Bigelow connection, which was

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intriguing to me in the year,
that was during the funding

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years that the Defense
Intelligence Agency was giving

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money to Bigelow in a program
called OS app. And so the

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question I have for you is
around that timeframe. Was it

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ever bantered about that this
was part of potentially a

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government research program.

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Thomas Ferrario: You know,
believe me, we have had that

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question posed to us many times.
We didn't see any signs of that.

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And I will tell you that through
the years, Jetta corps working

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with Hynek and Project bluebook
in the last stages, and we did

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do in early days, we there was a
connection that when Ted parted

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with that area with the
government connection, he was

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very cautious. He didn't want to
associate or touch base with

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that culture at all in any way,
shape, or form. So I know a lot

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of people thought that we never
dealt with that. And Marlene, a

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lot of people have asked us did
we think the government was

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monitoring us and Marley and had
any way, shape or form

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interjected things in our reach
as research? And I can tell you,

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quite frankly, I don't believe
they did. And you know, what,

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the Bigelow aspect of it, we
believe they were very honest

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with us. And we worked quite
well for a while together. And

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concolor worked with us, and we
enjoyed it. And it just didn't

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turn out to be a mutual
agreement as we thought it would

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be. But it was a control issue.
They're a property I, I'll just

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throw out there. And but I we
really detected no government

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involvement at that time with
any parties.

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John Greenewald: Gotcha. Well, I
appreciate you fielding the

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question. So let's get into the
the evidence aspect of it.

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Again, I know that you and Ted
were both convinced that

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something was going on out
there. Can Can Can you

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potentially answer for Ted as
well. But for you what convinced

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you that there was something
going on at Marlee woods, that

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that made you guys say, okay, we
really need to investigate this.

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Thomas Ferrario: What convinced
me in the early stages that as

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Ted hurt from the very
beginning, Ted told me that out

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of all his years of doing a nut
and bolt research, he had never

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actually experienced anything
physically and morally was the

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first time he had actually seen
any UFOs or anything. And it

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goes so much beyond the scene of
a UFO or structured craft or

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mainly, what we experienced were
light balls at Marlin. Once in a

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while there was structured
crafts involved. But it was the

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intelligence aspect of it that
we dealt with on an almost daily

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basis. That was always one step
ahead of us. It read our weakest

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moments. It read when we were
the least prepared to capture

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something on video or audio. And
when we were prepared to capture

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something, and we started
experiencing things, it would

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literally take out our
equipment, sometimes it would

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burn out circuitry, it would
eject and I'll date myself here

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we were using VHS tapes. We had
a large raft of VHS tapes in the

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off, and I just want to throw
out the property owners and

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Marley was so great. They built
a two floor two level structure

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with a big observation deck for
Ted to stay in and to have an

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office in and to work out of Mr.
Lee. And later, they built us an

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outside open observation deck.
But this entity, this

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intelligence would, it wiped VHS
tapes clean, in one instance,

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injected tapes from the machine.
When we switched to DVRs, it

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would burn out some of our DVRs
that had multi our hundreds of

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hours of storage in them. And it
would just always, it always had

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the upper hand. Now, one of the
things I will tell you that we

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just recently did a video with
jack fillet, which jack came on

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and spend time with us. There
was an incident incident that

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happened with him that really
turned him around. And it was a

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just briefly, I'll go into that
the incident that happened was

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in the cabin that Douglas
Trumbull donated s and he was

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actually there at this point
with us and jack fillet was

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there. We set the camera on a
table and a window facing north

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to capture what we call the
North mystery light. And we lock

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the doors to the cabin. And the
next morning, when we went in,

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the camera was turned 90 degrees
away from the window on a locked

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tripod. And at first Douglas was
very agitated at this. He said,

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Who's messing with us. And we
said no one was in this cabin,

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Doug. So then john really picked
up on that. And jack spoke about

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this a couple of times in the in
in a lecture, he actually gave

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that the this phenomenon
actually. And that's the way

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this would play with us. It
would always show its upper hand

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and we were dealing with an
intelligence we felt. And that's

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and then I was going into that
Ted warned me in the beginning

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of how this at times could
affect you. Like even when we

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were weren't in the field and we
we slept in some mornings, and

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3am is the bewitching hour, I'll
tell you not 12am like so many

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people think and you learn that
fast and you follow up more,

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more things happen at 3am than
at midnight. But I woke up one

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morning and Jed was sleeping in
another bed across from me in

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the upper level of the office.
And I just slept I felt like

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something shook me woke me up
physically. And I woke up with

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an overwhelming sense of joy.
And I don't know why To this day

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I ran out on the deck expecting
to see the mothership or

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something I just knew something
was there. And there was

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absolutely nothing. And my state
of joy went to almost

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depression. And I went in and
woke Ted up, which is something

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you really never wanted to do.
Oh, and I told Ted what had

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happened. And he looked rolled
over and looked at me and he

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said, he said, Well, Tom,
welcome to Marley woods. So that

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was one of my first experiences
and Marley. And but it was a

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very real reference.

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John Greenewald: Before we get
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because I want you to talk about
that. Let me ask you just a

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quick question. Because as you
describe these experiences, a

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lot of people will hear UFOs and
lean towards alien. I keep

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hearing more of a spirit slash
ghost kind of presence,

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depending upon you know, your
belief sets in that. But but

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that's what I keep feeling from
you as you explain these

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stories. Did you guys have a
consensus of what type of

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intelligence you were dealing
with?

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Thomas Ferrario: Absolutely, and
I'm so glad you asked that

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point. And I will tell you and
now this is going to step on the

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toes I know of a lot of youth
ologists that want to think

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interplanetary. But I can speak
from Ted felicite his

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experiences with Dr. J. Allen
Hynek came to believe this and

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totally proved it. Ted's belief
was this job fillet. 100% jack

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was on board with this before
almost anybody and believes this

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100% and what they believe is
and we all come to believe, and

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we actually documented improved
satisfaction to our

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satisfaction. This is all in
jocks words. It's frequency

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driven. Now, in layman's terms,
that means dimensionally based.

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And what that says is, this is
all dimensionally based. It's

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all dimensional. We feel there
are portals out in Marley as all

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these other places such as
skinwalker. things come through

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physically. We believe we caught
one on one image doing this.

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When they're on your side, there
is real physical, they leave, as

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Ted said, physical tangible
tracks, physical trace cases.

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When they're not here, you can
search the woods with 1000 men

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and it's going to phenomenon
scoring. Now, we proved that on

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so many levels, and Marlene and
they're they're touching on this

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a lot at skinwalker. Now that
but I will tell you that they

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and if I have to put my money on
anybody, I'm sorry. I know a lot

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of you follow just don't want to
believe this and don't want to

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go in this realm. But
personally, I'll put my money

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on. Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Ted
Philips jacc, fillet inner

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others, Ray Stanford, a good
friend of mine is another one.

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Douglas Trumbull. So I just
believe that's truly what we're

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dealing with here.

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John Greenewald: And if it
wasn't, you know, Ted leading

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the way and and you and me
knowing you, I usually dismiss

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stories like this, to be honest
with you, just simply because it

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seems a little bit far fetched.
But in the same respect, like I

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said, you guys, are you and I've
known you guys for years, which

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is the, you know, intriguing
part of all of this. So let's

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get into the physical effect
aspect. You've mentioned it a

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couple times, I want you to go
into a little bit more detail

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here. You you you guys. And
gals, I'm not sure if Debbie

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came came with you. I assume she
might have. But But team of

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researchers small team goes out
there. You guys experience some

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stuff. What was happening to
you?

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Thomas Ferrario: Well, I'm going
to touch it. I just want to go

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back just briefly quick and just
say that, as you stated to john.

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In the beginning, I had very
much problem. I did not I wanted

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to deal with a structured graph
like Ted did. And I will tell

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you a little known little known
fact is that Ted did have an

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outing with Dr. J. Allen Hynek
for a short time. They became

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great friends again work with
each other up to the point of

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Dr. J. Allen Hynek is passing.
They have spoken work together a

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week before Dr. Heinrichs
passing. Ted was very much

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against Dr. J on Hynix theory on
this. Ted was a nuts and bolts

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man, he wanted to go there.
That's what he wanted to do. And

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he didn't want to accept this.
But over the years, and

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especially Ed Morley, he said
that Alan was so far ahead of

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his time. And like Alan said,
this is so much more than a

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structured craft and a little,
little green guy coming here

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from Alpha Centauri. It's so
much more involved and more than

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what that is that's so
simplistic that that's not

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what's going on at all. So I
just wanted to lay out there

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that that was hard for TEDx out.
It was hard for me to accept,

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believe me. But it's real. And
you got to go where the data

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lead you and what you
experience. And that's what we

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felt. Now, getting into the
physical attributes of this what

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we experienced. You know, we can
get into the realm on an animal

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we had cattle mutilations in
Marlin, and I'm telling you the

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Ted's first cattle mutilation
before I was involved with him,

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he was called out there. And he
seemed Academy late, typical,

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you know, the flesh, the phase
of skull, sexual organs taken no

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blood, that same scenario. He
came up on the rancher showed

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him the first one and get asked,
How often does this go on and

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Marley? And a rancher said, well
come with me Ted, and they walk

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behind the barn. And here the
rancher head has stack of bleach

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white bones, about a 25 foot in
diameter pile about 12 foot

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high, behind one old barn of
what he claims to have been all

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Due to cattle mutilation, and
the reason it was just thrown in

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this manner was there was no
predation. There was no

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predators insect involved in
most of these, nothing would

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touch this these carcasses. So
that was absolutely a part of

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modeling the physical effects.
We can go through it. Just

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before I get into the human
aspects of this. We had a case

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called the horse barn incident,
which we weren't Ted was called

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on a Saturday morning. We
weren't out there at the time,

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the rancher said that you got to
you got to get out of your dead.

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And he said, one of his prize
horses had been affected by

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this. And we didn't get out
there, unfortunately for six

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weeks. And when we got out
there, it affected the rancher

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so greatly. And just briefly
what that was. The rancher had a

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habit of going from the house,
walking the perimeter of his

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pastures, the checking the fence
line. He had a barn where he had

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his favorite riding horses
favorite horse in in a corral.

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He always brought it some sugar
in the morning. He dropped in

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and seen it The horse was
perfectly fine. Eight to sugar,

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no problems. He closed the
corral, went on his way check in

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the face of the fence line. And
now he was within sight of this

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barn the whole time. He was
probably no I'd say a quarter

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mile away from the barn. He ran
the fence line came back up in

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front of the barn. And as he
glanced over at the barn, he

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seen that corral door was ajar.
And he said, Well, that's not

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right. I know I closed it.

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And what I will warn you what
what follows is is really

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gruesome. He as he went in the
corral, he describes as what he

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seen was a slaughter house in
there that he said that there

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were there was flesh and blood
on the the lower rafters of the

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barn. All the corral the wooden
corral boards besides the gates,

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and and virtually what had been
in a matter of 20 minutes,

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completely healthy horse had
turned into a mass of horseflesh

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in his barn as such it it like
it exploded. And we got out

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there, we took some sampling.
There was no residual radiation

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of any type. We sent in the what
we had. And now I will tell you

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that the samples we took were
several weeks olds, so they

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weren't good sampling. But there
was no chemical traces found in

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this No. It was to the degree
that an explosive device was

432
00:33:02,550 --> 00:33:06,390
putting this horse but there was
no residual of any type of

433
00:33:06,390 --> 00:33:11,550
explosives. And, and here again,
thanks to Ted's experience in

434
00:33:11,550 --> 00:33:16,230
the field over the years, and
another case he involved and

435
00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:19,740
I'll touch upon that sometime
with you, Case he involved in

436
00:33:19,740 --> 00:33:23,520
Vietnam, when he was sent there,
and Ted was sent all over the

437
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,210
world for Allen Hynek when Alan
had prior engagements and

438
00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:31,350
couldn't make it or health
reasons, but Ted had come across

439
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:35,730
this phenomenon before and what
they had, after research they

440
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,770
determined it was, but it was as
if this horse had been placed in

441
00:33:40,770 --> 00:33:47,790
a microwave oven and exploded.
And they're again, dealing with

442
00:33:47,790 --> 00:33:52,320
microwave, you have no residual
radiation or you better not have

443
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:55,950
Yes, like when you place a piece
of meat in a microwave oven.

444
00:33:56,370 --> 00:33:58,920
There's not going to be anything
residual on that piece of meat

445
00:33:58,950 --> 00:34:05,460
or better. And so that gets into
the extreme cases of how this

446
00:34:06,030 --> 00:34:12,030
intelligence now Do we believe
this thing set out to destroy

447
00:34:12,030 --> 00:34:18,930
this harsh? We have no proof of
that. Was it a residual effect

448
00:34:18,930 --> 00:34:24,180
of energy? That was it was
exposed to for you know,

449
00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:27,900
whatever reason? You know, we
just don't we don't know that

450
00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:33,540
answer. But I will tell you that
the area that this horse was in

451
00:34:34,110 --> 00:34:39,390
had been frequently it's in the
in the area to the some of the

452
00:34:39,390 --> 00:34:43,980
cattle mutilations were. So for
what reason and how this

453
00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:48,930
occurred. We don't know. But,
but Ted did draw the conclusion

454
00:34:48,930 --> 00:34:52,170
and other people he sent this
off to and he spoke with some of

455
00:34:52,170 --> 00:34:55,170
his, at the time some people
that he had dealt with in the

456
00:34:55,170 --> 00:34:59,970
past and they all felt that this
was from microwave radiation gun

457
00:35:01,589 --> 00:35:06,089
John Greenewald: Were there and
not that I want to see them by

458
00:35:06,089 --> 00:35:09,329
the description but did you guys
take pictures to the homeowners

459
00:35:09,329 --> 00:35:13,949
take pictures were they shown to
and again this is not a distrust

460
00:35:13,949 --> 00:35:17,909
for your research ability but
just like an outside third party

461
00:35:18,389 --> 00:35:22,619
either you know university level
you know analysts scientists,

462
00:35:22,619 --> 00:35:26,969
whatever Did that happen or was
this stuff just like nobody

463
00:35:26,969 --> 00:35:30,329
wanted to touch it, which is
well is essentially took the

464
00:35:30,329 --> 00:35:30,719
lead.

465
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,250
Thomas Ferrario: When we got
there we took pictures I have a

466
00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:40,020
picture of myself taking some
sampling, nailing down scraping

467
00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:42,630
some it's off the floor. Of
course at that time, it was all

468
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:47,820
dried material. Absolutely.
Which is odd, no smells like a

469
00:35:47,820 --> 00:35:51,870
decaying animal, blood or you
would expect there to be a

470
00:35:51,930 --> 00:35:56,820
really a, an odor there.
Unusually, there was no odors

471
00:35:56,820 --> 00:36:01,920
there. And we did take pictures
of myself sampling and Adam

472
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:07,020
Johnson in the same barn, taking
samples we have, there really

473
00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:10,560
wasn't a lot for us to catch on
video or photo for the

474
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,600
photographs. Unfortunately, this
affected the property owner to

475
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,970
the degree after this happened,
he came down with a neighbor.

476
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:26,880
And they took the large parts
out and merged them. He did not

477
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,200
take any photographs, which the
minute he Ted told him about

478
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,620
this, which he didn't even
notify Ted for a week after this

479
00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:38,220
happened. He was so affected by
this. And there were no he did

480
00:36:38,220 --> 00:36:42,690
not take any photographs. And I
will tell you that after we did

481
00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:47,490
the investigation, and we did
our sampling, Ted, we were going

482
00:36:47,490 --> 00:36:53,160
to return to that site. Below
that ranchers house. He actually

483
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:57,240
this small wooden there was an
older barn, he actually was so

484
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,270
affected by it, he burned the
structure down he didn't want to

485
00:37:00,270 --> 00:37:03,600
have, he didn't he couldn't look
at it anymore. So he actually

486
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,740
burned this, this barn down
rather than deal with it. So

487
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:13,350
there you have just what we
found when we took pictures. We

488
00:37:13,350 --> 00:37:16,800
wish we wish to God, he would
have took some images. You know,

489
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:22,590
those are sampling at the time,
but there was none of that done.

490
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:25,710
So. And that's one of the
reasons why we wanted to

491
00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:30,150
establish a full time presence,
at least one or two of us and

492
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:34,740
Marlene, and and we were when we
were working with the Bigelow

493
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,460
team, that was our goal that we
were going to get funding and be

494
00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:46,020
able to do that. And but that
never occurred. And but it I

495
00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:49,110
will tell you that it was it's
one of the more dramatic things

496
00:37:49,110 --> 00:37:50,370
that happened. And Marlene

497
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:56,040
John Greenewald: would say
that's a pretty dramatic and

498
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:01,020
traumatic experience for all
parties involved. Before we get

499
00:38:01,020 --> 00:38:05,490
into, you know more of the the
research that you guys did, I do

500
00:38:05,490 --> 00:38:09,720
want you to talk about you had
mentioned physical effects to

501
00:38:09,810 --> 00:38:13,890
you, to you and or maybe the
team. Can you talk about those

502
00:38:13,890 --> 00:38:15,270
types of effects as well?

503
00:38:17,490 --> 00:38:20,940
Thomas Ferrario: Yes. And now
this was an area, I will tell

504
00:38:20,940 --> 00:38:24,750
you that Ted spoke to us. Of
course, Ted gave us full

505
00:38:24,750 --> 00:38:29,250
discretion to speak about do
whatever we want it. If it was

506
00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:32,940
contrary to his wishes are
affected the team, believe me,

507
00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:37,590
we would have been out of there.
But we dealt with we went to a

508
00:38:37,590 --> 00:38:42,660
TED we felt what his wishes
were. But he gave us, you know,

509
00:38:43,950 --> 00:38:49,140
the discrepancy to talk about it
or deal with it. But he

510
00:38:49,140 --> 00:38:52,800
basically there were things out
there that happened. And other

511
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,390
aspects of Ted's life that Ted
said, you know, Tom, after I'm

512
00:38:57,390 --> 00:39:01,290
gone, I don't give a damn what
you do with this stuff. But I'd

513
00:39:01,290 --> 00:39:05,940
rather not we don't focus on
this. Because Ted devoted so

514
00:39:05,940 --> 00:39:09,930
much of his life to Marlin. He
didn't want to take the focus

515
00:39:09,930 --> 00:39:13,170
away from the research and
Morley and what was going on in

516
00:39:13,170 --> 00:39:19,410
Marlin. And he felt that if we
we got too dramatic with what

517
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,360
happened to the researchers are
some of the other things that

518
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:30,030
were the reasons why Ted spoke
of and why he devoted the rest

519
00:39:30,030 --> 00:39:32,910
of his life and morally because
what he thought was going to

520
00:39:32,910 --> 00:39:37,320
occur and Marley, I'll tell you,
he just didn't want to take the

521
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,150
focus off that so he said that,
you know, he'd rather we just

522
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:47,220
speak about this after he was
gone and then make that issues,

523
00:39:47,250 --> 00:39:50,640
those issues. We dealt with that
it didn't take a focus away from

524
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:56,040
the research on Marley itself,
what was going on, and But

525
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,000
anyway, I can get into the
physical effects. Now. If you

526
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:00,720
You'd like john,

527
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:02,790
John Greenewald: please. Yeah,
I'd like to hear about that.

528
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:08,910
Thomas Ferrario: Okay. And what
that mainly deals with is

529
00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:12,060
there's a phenomenon out in
Marley, another thing we dealt

530
00:40:12,060 --> 00:40:15,090
with that the ranchers dealt
with for years and years as far

531
00:40:15,090 --> 00:40:20,190
back as their, as they can
remember. And it was called the

532
00:40:20,250 --> 00:40:26,640
the light beams. Now, what these
light beams were, they were a

533
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:31,830
pure, I don't want to compare
him to a spotlight because

534
00:40:31,830 --> 00:40:35,400
that's not a fair, that's not
apples. I mean, that's just not

535
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,180
a fair comparison. Because what
we experienced and we heard this

536
00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:44,730
for several, several times,
we've heard this retold out

537
00:40:44,730 --> 00:40:49,680
there and but what that
encompasses was a pure white

538
00:40:49,890 --> 00:40:55,950
light beam, sweeping the area as
if hunting for something like it

539
00:40:55,950 --> 00:41:01,020
was looking for something,
searching for something, for

540
00:41:01,020 --> 00:41:05,370
whatever reason, and we heard of
that found and I by the ranchers

541
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:10,230
several times. The first time we
experienced that personally,

542
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:17,850
Adam Johnson and I, we were in a
deer stand on on a night, it was

543
00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:23,610
like 28 degrees. We were in a
deer stand with cameras set up

544
00:41:23,610 --> 00:41:30,180
monitoring devices, EMF
equipment, analog digital, the

545
00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:33,930
whole spectrum trying to be
ready for some absolutely

546
00:41:33,930 --> 00:41:39,840
nothing. And there again, this
stuff read your weakness. We

547
00:41:39,870 --> 00:41:44,400
decided to call it quits after
three and a half hours. And we

548
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,610
had our cameras we were putting
away which is a stupid thing to

549
00:41:47,610 --> 00:41:52,440
do out there. We were getting
all our stuff in our backpacks

550
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:58,110
to climb down. And I noticed
over at Adams side to the north,

551
00:41:58,980 --> 00:42:04,770
a light coming down, hitting the
timber on a six acre field

552
00:42:05,550 --> 00:42:10,200
sweeping across the timber
coming down into the pasture.

553
00:42:10,830 --> 00:42:15,660
And it came across the past
year, right to the point our

554
00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:19,350
gear stand was on the opposite
side of the field, in the timber

555
00:42:19,350 --> 00:42:24,540
right on the edge of the timber
of that field. It swept across

556
00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:28,770
the field went right to the
bottom of our deer stand as if

557
00:42:28,770 --> 00:42:32,340
it was going to come up into it
with us and extinguished in an

558
00:42:32,340 --> 00:42:38,190
instant. Now, I was trying to
see the source of this. And Adam

559
00:42:38,190 --> 00:42:41,790
was trying to get his cameras
back out. Unfortunately, he got

560
00:42:41,790 --> 00:42:45,900
one up and running too late. He
didn't get any it just switched

561
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:50,460
off before he got his camera. I
was trying to see the source

562
00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:55,560
from other light, which I did
not I could not see. It just

563
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:00,780
came out of the sky at that
point. And so that's the first

564
00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:05,340
time we experienced that. And we
were on radio with Ted, and

565
00:43:05,340 --> 00:43:09,990
asked Ted if he seen this. And
Ted was in an upper another part

566
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:14,220
of the property on another field
on the timber with a property

567
00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:18,990
owner. They see no artifact of
this what we were saying they

568
00:43:18,990 --> 00:43:22,860
were saying you know, it's
impossible, we didn't see

569
00:43:22,860 --> 00:43:26,760
anything. Which there again,
this brings into play the

570
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,660
dimensional aspect of stuff is
very dimensional. If you're not

571
00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:33,480
in the right place at the right
time. You're not going to

572
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:40,770
observe this or any artifacts of
it. Now, there were no physical

573
00:43:40,770 --> 00:43:48,240
effects from that at that time.
I was in that area with Adam. A

574
00:43:48,750 --> 00:43:54,120
second time it happened. It
happened to 10 and I and this is

575
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,500
one of Ted's most the very
little shook Ted Phillips up I

576
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:02,490
will tell you very little. This
is one time that it shook him up

577
00:44:02,490 --> 00:44:05,490
to the point where he called his
wife at home after it occurred

578
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:10,320
and spoke with her. It's one of
two incidents that shook Jen and

579
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:15,720
Marley. That bad but we were in
my vehicle coming back on site

580
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:21,390
to on and this is a 1200 acre
ranch. I'll tell you a gated

581
00:44:21,540 --> 00:44:26,040
area. It's a dirt road off a
gravel road in the middle of

582
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,060
1200 acres that no one has
access to or can get access to.

583
00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:36,750
So there's no way this and no
way this possibility that this

584
00:44:36,750 --> 00:44:42,000
was done to us but but I happen
to look in my rearview mirror

585
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,230
and I seen the same light,
bright white intense light

586
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:47,850
coming up the road behind us.

587
00:44:49,410 --> 00:44:53,910
It came up behind us and onto
the vehicle and as it came in

588
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:58,500
the back window of the vehicle.
It lit up the interior of our

589
00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:03,810
vehicle to the degree where I
remember seeing the vinyl grain

590
00:45:03,810 --> 00:45:08,370
and the dash and looking down
the air vents in my vehicle to

591
00:45:08,370 --> 00:45:12,390
the furthermost point in what
the Dustin I'm and I mean it was

592
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:16,710
just I hate to draw the analogy
again to close encounters in

593
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:22,500
that scene. But that's what it
was. And at that point I told

594
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:27,120
Ted, I said, Are you seeing this
Ted? and Ted looked over at me?

595
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,600
And he said, Well, hell, yes,
I'm seeing this done. And we

596
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,020
both instinctively at that
point, which is probably not a

597
00:45:34,020 --> 00:45:37,920
wise thing to do, we threw open
the doors and jumped out of the

598
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:44,340
vehicle, and looked up. And what
we seen at that point was, which

599
00:45:44,340 --> 00:45:48,420
I don't know how I'm a little
bit knowledgeable about

600
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:54,000
lighting. And I have never seen
in my life the effect I seen

601
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,130
that night. And I don't know how
you recreate it, but the light

602
00:45:59,130 --> 00:46:04,410
retracted from the vehicle with
a vertically a cut off definite

603
00:46:04,410 --> 00:46:10,110
end. And it retracted into what
Ted described as the aperture.

604
00:46:10,290 --> 00:46:13,860
You know, that twisting reflex
of an old time camera, the way a

605
00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:20,100
twist, we see that light retract
into that aperture. And when it

606
00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:25,740
when it closed, it was gone. I
mean, there was no craft, there

607
00:46:25,740 --> 00:46:29,850
was no light ball, there was no,
no remnant of that. It's just it

608
00:46:29,850 --> 00:46:35,730
was there, and it was gone. Now
that that's what we experienced

609
00:46:35,730 --> 00:46:40,890
on that road. And we got back to
site, one where we stayed the

610
00:46:41,010 --> 00:46:47,760
structure. And we got we pulled
up to the structure. JACK got

611
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,890
out. And he started taking his
gear out of the car, and to take

612
00:46:52,890 --> 00:46:56,250
up into the building. And I
noticed he just dropped some of

613
00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:59,250
it on the ground, which was so
unusual for Ted to do. I mean,

614
00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:02,910
he took care of equipment, like
he was meticulous, especially

615
00:47:02,910 --> 00:47:08,010
with cameras, since he was a
professional photographer, but I

616
00:47:08,010 --> 00:47:11,550
said Ted was a matter. And he
was over leaning on the building

617
00:47:11,550 --> 00:47:16,770
at that point. And he was
vomiting. And I man, I was

618
00:47:16,770 --> 00:47:19,530
really worried about him. And
because he had had some other

619
00:47:19,530 --> 00:47:23,520
health issues. And I said, Are
you going to be okay, Ted? And

620
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,090
he said, Well, I think so I
don't know. And he's just let me

621
00:47:27,090 --> 00:47:30,690
stand here for a while. So he
stood there for a while leaning

622
00:47:30,690 --> 00:47:35,220
on the building and finally got
up, right. And he came over and

623
00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:38,070
grabbed this guy said, I'll get
your cameras for you just go up

624
00:47:38,070 --> 00:47:42,900
and lay down. So he went up in
late, lay down and that evening,

625
00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:49,230
and and at that point, I was
thinking, Well, I'm you know, I

626
00:47:49,230 --> 00:47:52,830
didn't know if it was from what
had happened or just Ted's

627
00:47:52,830 --> 00:47:57,330
health. And I thought, Well, I'm
glad. I said in hindsight, I

628
00:47:57,330 --> 00:48:00,660
wish that would have happened to
me. I said, Well, I'm glad that

629
00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:06,090
didn't happen to me. So anyway,
that was the end. And about a

630
00:48:06,090 --> 00:48:10,770
day later that we left. We and
the one thing I want to tell

631
00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:14,430
you, we told the property owners
what had occurred, we did not

632
00:48:14,430 --> 00:48:17,250
share with them the physical tag
getting sick or anything we

633
00:48:17,250 --> 00:48:21,030
never wanted to worry them and
which in hindsight, I wish we

634
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:23,340
would have shared everything
with them. And I'll tell you

635
00:48:23,340 --> 00:48:31,560
why. We left that, that visit
that trip and I came home. And

636
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:39,060
about a week later. My scalpel
in my head. And at this point, I

637
00:48:39,060 --> 00:48:44,070
will say I had dark brown hair
then I got to wear condition I

638
00:48:44,070 --> 00:48:47,220
couldn't my head just hurt all
the time. I couldn't even touch

639
00:48:47,220 --> 00:48:51,090
my hair. It hurts so bad. So I
went in and this is all

640
00:48:51,090 --> 00:48:53,730
documented. I have the
documentation. I went into my

641
00:48:53,730 --> 00:48:59,280
physician. He thought I had
shingles at first they did test.

642
00:48:59,580 --> 00:49:03,390
I didn't have shingles. He
looked at over and he said well

643
00:49:03,390 --> 00:49:06,360
it looks like maybe you got
sunburned or some type of burn.

644
00:49:07,770 --> 00:49:12,270
And I was on strong opiates for
a couple of weeks just to deal

645
00:49:12,270 --> 00:49:18,240
with the pain of my scalp. And I
thought that would be the extent

646
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:23,250
of it or be the worst part of
it. And within a month my hair

647
00:49:23,250 --> 00:49:29,460
turned from dark brown to what
you see today. Actually it was

648
00:49:29,460 --> 00:49:34,290
actually got to be white after
that. And to this day, it's the

649
00:49:34,290 --> 00:49:40,470
color you see in the summary
goes to white on top and usually

650
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:41,220
like one

651
00:49:43,350 --> 00:49:46,950
and if that would have been the
extent of my problems I would

652
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:53,070
have been happy with. I started
having about a year later. And I

653
00:49:53,070 --> 00:49:58,440
actually had put up with vision
problems for a while. About I'd

654
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,680
say a year later and I I have
documentation of this, I went to

655
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,660
the eye doctor. And my vision
changed, which it does to this

656
00:50:06,660 --> 00:50:11,460
day. Some days, I have extremely
good vision. Other days, I have

657
00:50:11,580 --> 00:50:15,630
eyeglasses, and it drives my eye
doctor crazy, he doesn't even

658
00:50:15,630 --> 00:50:20,160
want to see me anymore because
he tries to prescribe vision

659
00:50:20,250 --> 00:50:25,830
glasses for me. But I all I
noticed my vertical lines on my

660
00:50:25,830 --> 00:50:30,570
vision, like looking at a
doorpost would be waving my

661
00:50:30,570 --> 00:50:34,170
horizontal lines at times,
especially my left eye would be

662
00:50:34,170 --> 00:50:38,280
completely, it'd be almost at a
point be being disorienting, you

663
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,710
know. So I went in, and they
sent me in for tests. And, um,

664
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,730
what they come up with that I
had, and at the time, I wasn't

665
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,440
the age I am now. They
determined I had macular cyst,

666
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:58,890
which is a step worse than
cataracts. It's another level

667
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,030
that they deal with Anna. And I
said, Well, how do you get this?

668
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:05,610
What's this cause from and they
said, Well, we really don't know

669
00:51:05,610 --> 00:51:10,050
usually old age people get this.
But we really don't know what

670
00:51:10,050 --> 00:51:16,890
causes this. So I went in and
had an operation. I had macular

671
00:51:16,890 --> 00:51:20,700
cyst in both eyes, my right one
is still in there, it's not that

672
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:26,520
bad. The stage of the operation
is that you can have extremely

673
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,480
good outcome from it. Or you can
lose vision from it because they

674
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,860
have to laser this cyst off. And
the macular they're dealing with

675
00:51:34,860 --> 00:51:39,630
it. It can, it's just touching
go. So they did that on my left

676
00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:45,000
eye. They removed the macular
cyst. They removed the cataracts

677
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:49,410
in both eyes that I had after
that. And what caused this, I

678
00:51:49,410 --> 00:51:54,240
was always after a reason. They
had no explanation for this and

679
00:51:55,410 --> 00:51:59,550
the goods. The only good thing
that I thank God I asked for was

680
00:51:59,610 --> 00:52:02,700
on when I was going back and
they put a gas bubble on your

681
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:07,110
eye, the surgery and everything.
My vision came back and on my

682
00:52:07,110 --> 00:52:12,720
last visit vision visit to the
surgeon in St. Louis, Missouri.

683
00:52:14,550 --> 00:52:19,050
That young eye doctor which was
there doing removing the bandage

684
00:52:19,050 --> 00:52:22,650
and just doing the follow up
work, took it off, and they

685
00:52:22,650 --> 00:52:28,230
checked my vision and it was all
good. And I asked him just in

686
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:32,190
passing and I'm so thankful I
asked him I said, you know, I'm

687
00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:35,730
so curious, I I just would love
to know what brought this on or

688
00:52:35,730 --> 00:52:40,980
what caused this. And this young
surgeon looked at me so you

689
00:52:40,980 --> 00:52:44,310
know, I said we really don't
know, he said, the only time

690
00:52:44,310 --> 00:52:47,940
I've ever seen this and he said
we had a case he said last year

691
00:52:48,450 --> 00:52:52,680
with some cell tower workers.
And one of the cell tower worker

692
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:57,090
was up installing some microwave
equipment. And they fired this

693
00:52:57,090 --> 00:53:01,440
thing up not knowing this guy
was an off the tower. And they

694
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,930
had to remove macular cyst from
this gentleman's eye. Now, when

695
00:53:06,930 --> 00:53:11,550
he told me this, I mean, it blew
me away. It just he looked at me

696
00:53:11,550 --> 00:53:14,580
and he said, What's the matter?
And I said, I you don't know

697
00:53:14,580 --> 00:53:20,700
what that means to me. So I'm
the minute he mentioned

698
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:26,970
microwave, I will tell you it,
it really set me back that it

699
00:53:26,970 --> 00:53:28,410
was more documentation.

700
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:31,470
John Greenewald: Yeah, and for
those who haven't caught it, and

701
00:53:31,470 --> 00:53:35,160
correct me if I'm wrong, I mean,
I go back to the horse incident

702
00:53:36,090 --> 00:53:39,240
with with how you were
describing essentially, like it

703
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:43,050
was put in a microwave kind of
thing and the gruesome scene

704
00:53:43,050 --> 00:53:46,260
there to what you experienced,
because you didn't really have

705
00:53:46,260 --> 00:53:50,400
me convinced there until that
end, where you have that, that

706
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,910
connection that kind of puts a
through line to all of that,

707
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:57,810
which is, which is fascinating.
I'm sure if you can can answer

708
00:53:57,810 --> 00:54:03,690
this. And it's okay if you
can't, but did Ted also after

709
00:54:03,690 --> 00:54:08,400
that event and experience? Did
he have ongoing health issues?

710
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,970
You mentioned the vomiting, but
anything long term? And if you

711
00:54:11,970 --> 00:54:13,620
can't answer that, I totally
understand.

712
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,750
Thomas Ferrario: He had long he
had some health issues. I really

713
00:54:18,750 --> 00:54:22,350
don't believe any of them. They
were ongoing. Before this

714
00:54:22,350 --> 00:54:26,610
incident. I really I believe me
and Ted Knight talked about

715
00:54:26,610 --> 00:54:31,890
this. And, of course, Ted gave
me the discretion to speak about

716
00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:35,640
this if I wanted to, but he'd
rather I didn't. And we didn't.

717
00:54:35,730 --> 00:54:41,520
And Jen had no health issues. I
feel except he got physically

718
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:46,110
sick that night. I don't think
he had any other residual health

719
00:54:46,110 --> 00:54:52,020
issues from this. I only try to
draw conclusions that I was

720
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:57,810
exposed a prior time to this,
this time with Ted and there's

721
00:54:57,810 --> 00:55:01,530
another incidence. I'll speak
about When I was out with an

722
00:55:01,530 --> 00:55:06,270
individual, and I think we were
exposed to radiation, but the

723
00:55:06,270 --> 00:55:11,220
one thing I just want to bring
up in passing that 10 rather,

724
00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:15,120
that we didn't speak with us
with the property owners, he

725
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:20,160
didn't want to upset them or
worry them as far as what we

726
00:55:20,190 --> 00:55:23,580
what happened. And then there's
a aspect that were out there on

727
00:55:23,580 --> 00:55:27,720
their property. We did never
wanted to worry them that there

728
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:32,550
be any kind of, you know,
lawsuit or we we try to hold

729
00:55:32,550 --> 00:55:35,940
them responsible for this, which
we never Ted would. And it was a

730
00:55:35,940 --> 00:55:39,570
father's thing from Ted's mind.
But Ted didn't want to approach

731
00:55:39,570 --> 00:55:43,230
this with the property owners
for several reasons. Now, I will

732
00:55:43,230 --> 00:55:48,600
tell you, in hindsight, that was
the wrong thing to do. Because

733
00:55:48,750 --> 00:55:52,410
after Ted's passing one of the
property owners, which I will

734
00:55:52,410 --> 00:55:57,180
tell you I'm in contact with
almost at least once a month,

735
00:55:57,180 --> 00:56:01,170
sometimes twice a week, ongoing
things happening and morally.

736
00:56:02,190 --> 00:56:06,870
After Ted's passing. I just I
thought I would I owed it to

737
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:12,000
him. And I brought it up, I
started small. And I spoke about

738
00:56:12,180 --> 00:56:18,090
my scalp issues and my hair. And
the property owner shared with

739
00:56:18,090 --> 00:56:21,480
me said, Well, well, Tom, that's
nothing new. I've been to the

740
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:26,340
doctor three times from my head,
I couldn't touch I had hair. And

741
00:56:26,340 --> 00:56:31,050
I said, I said Really? I said, I
said, you never spoke about that

742
00:56:31,050 --> 00:56:38,160
with us. And the gentleman's
name, I'll just call him john. I

743
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,790
said, john, that you never spoke
about this. And he said, Well, I

744
00:56:41,790 --> 00:56:45,240
went to the doctor. He said, it
was usually after we seen this

745
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:49,830
light beam sweeping or got close
to us in the field. And he said,

746
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,980
Well, what did the doctor
determine? In your case? It was

747
00:56:53,970 --> 00:56:56,910
he said, Well, the our local
doctor, the old doctor just

748
00:56:56,910 --> 00:57:00,390
called it, he said he'd seen it
before he called a touchy scalp.

749
00:57:02,070 --> 00:57:07,260
He just told him, it would go
away. Now, had we shared this

750
00:57:07,260 --> 00:57:11,940
with the property owner, we
could have formed a bond there,

751
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:17,550
you know, but but that it just
it shows to be always be

752
00:57:17,550 --> 00:57:20,970
completely honest and share
everything with the property

753
00:57:20,970 --> 00:57:23,850
owner and data you have with the
people involved? Because you

754
00:57:23,850 --> 00:57:29,670
don't know what it could mean to
them in a case. So that's just

755
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:36,570
briefly touching on this. And
it's why not go ahead. And

756
00:57:36,570 --> 00:57:39,360
John Greenewald: just gonna say
it's a it's an amazing through

757
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:45,540
line from the the effects on
animals to you to the property

758
00:57:45,540 --> 00:57:49,140
owners that there is that that
physical evidence that shows

759
00:57:49,140 --> 00:57:53,310
there's obviously something
going on? Can I ask you about

760
00:57:53,310 --> 00:57:56,070
now present day, and I don't
want to keep you obviously, all

761
00:57:56,070 --> 00:58:00,060
day, we're at an hour now. And
it's a fascinating function. But

762
00:58:00,270 --> 00:58:03,990
But one of the things I want to
make sure that I asked you is

763
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,190
Are you still going out there,
obviously. And sadly, Ted has

764
00:58:08,190 --> 00:58:11,820
passed away. And I'm sure that
that that probably puts a

765
00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:14,940
hindrance a little bit on the
investigation. But is it still

766
00:58:14,940 --> 00:58:18,750
ongoing? Do you have other
cameras out there? I mean,

767
00:58:18,750 --> 00:58:20,940
what's what's the present day
status?

768
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,520
Thomas Ferrario: Yes, it's
ongoing. I have been there just

769
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,240
once since just passing now,
which are you? There's people

770
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,600
want to work with us. If it not
been for this virus in this

771
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,860
area. Though, the one property
owner, he actually didn't

772
00:58:37,860 --> 00:58:43,260
believe in this virus. And it
went from the point of not

773
00:58:43,260 --> 00:58:47,730
believing the virus was real to
his neighbor, which was a great

774
00:58:47,730 --> 00:58:51,270
friend of his passed away, they
found out with the virus, and

775
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:54,870
where he came to town and they
picked it up somewhere they

776
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:58,290
believe they don't know where
after his friend passed away,

777
00:58:58,350 --> 00:59:02,160
everybody out there and the
property owners wife has health

778
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,450
issues, even their family, they
don't leave the ranch anymore.

779
00:59:07,620 --> 00:59:11,370
Their farmhouse and their
farmhouse is not a joint to this

780
00:59:11,370 --> 00:59:14,850
acreage, which is Marley woods,
they live on another ranch and

781
00:59:14,850 --> 00:59:20,700
another small piece of property.
They don't even they go on I

782
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:24,330
think a couple times now to
town. And now it's starting to

783
00:59:24,330 --> 00:59:28,170
hit again in that area. But they
even had family members just

784
00:59:28,170 --> 00:59:32,190
dropping groceries at the
mailbox. They didn't allow

785
00:59:32,190 --> 00:59:35,790
anybody out there and the
property owner said Tom anytime

786
00:59:35,790 --> 00:59:39,360
you want to go all by yourself,
you have free rein You're You're

787
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,080
welcome, but we rather nobody
else is with you right now to

788
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,130
this is over. So I respect your
wishes completely. I don't want

789
00:59:47,130 --> 00:59:52,590
to be the one to push their, you
know, buttons out there and but

790
00:59:52,620 --> 00:59:56,070
it the property owner there was
a spell. It's in a little bit of

791
00:59:56,070 --> 01:00:01,020
a lull now, but I will tell you
that two months ago Go, the

792
01:00:01,020 --> 01:00:05,040
property owner was calling me
every other day at nine or 10

793
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:10,770
o'clock in the evening telling
me what the land what the they

794
01:00:10,770 --> 01:00:14,640
have an individual that lives
out there and takes care of the

795
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:19,860
property. And he calls him when
things start happening and the

796
01:00:19,860 --> 01:00:23,220
individual will not come out of
us. There's a mobile home out

797
01:00:23,220 --> 01:00:27,630
there for the individual that
keeps the property and genja

798
01:00:27,630 --> 01:00:32,910
cattle and wishes very little
cattle anymore Just for their

799
01:00:32,910 --> 01:00:37,830
own personal uses. And they keep
it low key. And then the warm

800
01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:40,290
scenario they feed they don't
let it go on to the fields

801
01:00:40,290 --> 01:00:47,190
anymore. But it, it there's so
many dramatic things happening

802
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:52,380
out there again. You know, we
had reports he told me, we had a

803
01:00:52,380 --> 01:00:56,820
veterinarian that was out there.
Kenny one of the nearby ranches,

804
01:00:57,030 --> 01:01:02,610
some cattle when she experienced
this flying creature. She was

805
01:01:02,610 --> 01:01:05,400
out working cattle and the
property owner wanted to bring

806
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:11,190
her lunch. And that her her
lunch, her medical bags where

807
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:15,840
she was working with all their
their truck was gone and hit she

808
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,810
had seen something in there. She
took out chase in her pickup

809
01:01:18,810 --> 01:01:22,650
truck across the field and tried
to take she caught a couple

810
01:01:22,650 --> 01:01:26,940
pictures of it which I got. I
posted on my Facebook page a

811
01:01:26,940 --> 01:01:31,650
couple of them sometimes. But I
will tell you the high

812
01:01:31,650 --> 01:01:37,590
strangeness is has not
decreased. It's increased if

813
01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:42,630
anything at times. And you know,
last winter the property owner

814
01:01:42,690 --> 01:01:48,030
owner called and told me of a
phenomena they'd never had. And

815
01:01:48,030 --> 01:01:52,170
I couldn't get out there at
dead. It was extremely part of

816
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:57,120
that part of the winter. But he
found on the one pond near where

817
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:03,930
the cattle are kept. It was very
thin ice the light snow on on

818
01:02:03,930 --> 01:02:09,630
the ice. And he described what
came down from the cattle onto

819
01:02:09,630 --> 01:02:15,030
this thin ice and left three
toed tracks which he measured

820
01:02:15,060 --> 01:02:21,120
the 13 inches in diameter of a
three toed track that went

821
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:25,290
across this pond and went out
into the center of the pond and

822
01:02:25,290 --> 01:02:29,220
terminate. It just came to an
abrupt end in the pond on the

823
01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:33,600
light snow and this thin ice,
which he told me said, he said

824
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,260
Tom, there's no way he said it
wouldn't have supported my foot.

825
01:02:37,290 --> 01:02:40,920
He said it. If you laid a large
rock on air, it would have broke

826
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:45,630
through. He said that it makes
no sense. How can you lay down a

827
01:02:45,630 --> 01:02:50,400
13 inch three toe track of
considerable weight on this thin

828
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,190
ice and not break through and
then terminate in the middle of

829
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:58,020
the pond? You know that there
again, the only explanation for

830
01:02:58,020 --> 01:03:04,020
this stuff is it's dimensionally
based. It's so much of this when

831
01:03:04,020 --> 01:03:08,490
you see it. When it's it's
dimensionally based, it's

832
01:03:08,490 --> 01:03:13,860
crossing over, depending what
angle you are, from where it

833
01:03:13,860 --> 01:03:18,300
crosses, it has a totally
different look or appearance.

834
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:24,930
And, you know, it's just the
only thing I can explain so much

835
01:03:24,930 --> 01:03:29,370
of what we dealt with. Mr. Lee,
is this what they come to

836
01:03:29,370 --> 01:03:33,600
believe in proved in other
cases, that this is all

837
01:03:33,690 --> 01:03:39,300
dimensionally based. It's
frequency driven. And it you

838
01:03:39,300 --> 01:03:41,670
know, when this stuff comes
across, it's as real and

839
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:46,110
physical as you and I and when
it's not there. It's not there.

840
01:03:46,170 --> 01:03:50,310
And it there are so many and
morally cryptid sightings. The

841
01:03:50,310 --> 01:03:54,120
only Bigfoot sighting in the
county was near Marley. The

842
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,270
white animal which I know you're
familiar with that case the

843
01:03:57,270 --> 01:04:02,430
large white animal polar bear
slash sloths type animal. We

844
01:04:02,430 --> 01:04:08,250
found 16 inch long white hairs.
We had tracks we had plaster

845
01:04:08,430 --> 01:04:13,560
cast we poured we've got the
tracks we Ted sent in the hair

846
01:04:13,590 --> 01:04:17,490
to analysis some new Phyllis
budding juror which I know you

847
01:04:17,490 --> 01:04:23,070
know her. It did they did Mac
microscopy on some of the hairs.

848
01:04:23,610 --> 01:04:27,000
Another lab was so intrigued
that we didn't have the money

849
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:31,740
for DNA work and back then
Neroli DNA was crude. But one of

850
01:04:31,740 --> 01:04:36,450
the labs was so intrigued they
they further they further this

851
01:04:36,450 --> 01:04:40,680
down the chain in the in the lab
and they did a very crude DNA.

852
01:04:41,070 --> 01:04:46,140
And it came back as no known
match. On this 16 inch long

853
01:04:46,140 --> 01:04:50,460
white hair. We pulled out barbed
wire fences. So what does that

854
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,750
now do? We believe there's a
living breathing population of

855
01:04:54,750 --> 01:04:58,590
these creatures out there. Of
course we don't and Ted knew

856
01:04:58,590 --> 01:05:02,850
there wasn't Like when they're
there, you have to believe no

857
01:05:02,850 --> 01:05:07,830
matter how crazy it sounds, and
for what aim, the witnesses I,

858
01:05:08,370 --> 01:05:12,390
you know, when they tell you
what they've seen and user,

859
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,650
believe me hard and farmers that
they don't make this stuff up

860
01:05:16,650 --> 01:05:20,970
for fun or gain. But when this
stuff is there for whatever

861
01:05:20,970 --> 01:05:26,100
reason, and, you know, Ted come
to believe sometimes. And people

862
01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:29,520
ask, Well, what what could the
reason for this possibly be? Why

863
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:34,890
would this stuff? You know, Ted
came to believe hypothesis that

864
01:05:34,890 --> 01:05:40,200
sometimes not all the time. But
sometimes this stuff is far.

865
01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:45,510
It's like we're the ones in the
test lab and we're experimented

866
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:50,250
on to see our reaction, how will
react to this stuff, what we'll

867
01:05:50,250 --> 01:05:55,170
do, there's the element of fear,
I will tell you that is used a

868
01:05:55,170 --> 01:06:00,390
lot. It's to gain a degenerate
fear in the eyewitness

869
01:06:00,420 --> 01:06:06,480
testimonies of these people. And
there is that element. So there

870
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:12,450
you have, in a nutshell, of some
of the high strangeness what we

871
01:06:12,450 --> 01:06:13,380
dealt with.

872
01:06:13,890 --> 01:06:18,060
John Greenewald: I mean, it's an
amazing story. And and I'm so

873
01:06:18,060 --> 01:06:24,630
glad that I brought you on today
to at least touch upon it. Can I

874
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:31,500
in? Well, can I can I ask what?
Where do you go next? Can I ask

875
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:36,150
that? I mean, you know, what do
you want to do at this point,

876
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:40,410
because obviously, this
phenomena, whatever it is, is

877
01:06:40,410 --> 01:06:44,010
still there. You can, you know,
bring in technology that's much

878
01:06:44,010 --> 01:06:48,630
different than the VHS that you
had mentioned earlier. If you

879
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:51,720
had your way, what would happen
next?

880
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:58,620
Thomas Ferrario: You know, Ted
wanted to further we wanted, Ted

881
01:06:58,620 --> 01:07:03,960
was so far ahead of his time.
With technology that wasn't

882
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,290
available at the time, he
envisioned things and trumped up

883
01:07:07,290 --> 01:07:10,950
things and ways to do things.
The technology wasn't there.

884
01:07:10,980 --> 01:07:15,600
Back in the early days, Ted was
trying to duct tape cameras on

885
01:07:15,630 --> 01:07:19,770
remote control airplanes and
helicopters, which of course

886
01:07:19,770 --> 01:07:24,030
now, we didn't have any success
with that. He didn't. Of course,

887
01:07:24,990 --> 01:07:28,470
technology now with drones
surpasses what he envisioned

888
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:33,330
back then. jeden vision besides
just having a 24 hour presence

889
01:07:33,330 --> 01:07:38,370
there, he envisioned a network
of trail cams, that would would

890
01:07:38,370 --> 01:07:43,830
go back to a computer that
anyone could go to our website

891
01:07:43,830 --> 01:07:47,310
back then we were trying to set
up. But we didn't have internet

892
01:07:47,310 --> 01:07:51,030
connection after the time. But
we were trying to set up some

893
01:07:51,030 --> 01:07:56,520
way of having security cameras
online 24 hours a day to monitor

894
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,880
these errors. Anybody could go
to this website and watch see

895
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:03,990
what was going on and Marley at
any given time. Of course, now

896
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:07,650
we have I've looked into I would
like at one point, if we get the

897
01:08:07,650 --> 01:08:12,840
funding to complete Ted's work
with cellular, of course, now

898
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:17,400
that we have cellular trail cams
that are out there, you can hook

899
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,930
up cell you like a cell phone,
and back to a main data point

900
01:08:21,930 --> 01:08:25,350
and distributed however you
wish. In areas where you don't

901
01:08:25,350 --> 01:08:29,310
even have cell phone connection.
I've looked in there's ways to

902
01:08:29,310 --> 01:08:33,990
do this now with cell phones.
Yeah, it's extremely expensive.

903
01:08:34,350 --> 01:08:38,400
And that is in kinda in its
infancy right now to the general

904
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:43,800
public, the military hasn't. But
you could hook these cameras up,

905
01:08:45,150 --> 01:08:49,290
you know, with a satphone to
your source work anywhere in the

906
01:08:49,290 --> 01:08:53,790
United States you could turn on
and you know, view what's going

907
01:08:53,790 --> 01:08:57,510
on this network and it would
alert you when these trail cams

908
01:08:57,510 --> 01:09:02,070
go off. And you know, Douglas
Trumbull bought us some state of

909
01:09:02,070 --> 01:09:08,100
the art back then solar power
radio, trail cam said you could

910
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:13,980
it had a mile line of sight, you
could get it at three miles but

911
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,830
of course in the woods and
everything line of sight drops

912
01:09:16,830 --> 01:09:22,920
down to a quarter of a mile
sometimes, but you could turn on

913
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,670
a trail cam and watch it or it
would alarm you if something set

914
01:09:26,670 --> 01:09:33,300
it off. But that was Ted's goal.
To have the trail cam network,

915
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:38,010
you could view anywhere anytime
and would be recording this on a

916
01:09:38,010 --> 01:09:48,660
DVR. And, of course, like I
said, you know, the if just the

917
01:09:48,660 --> 01:09:51,810
state of the technology back
then, you know, with the drones,

918
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,680
we didn't have the drone
technology that's out there and

919
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,190
Ted always envisioned when we
had the one light source it came

920
01:09:59,190 --> 01:10:03,030
on which I think You've seen
photos of I know, the most

921
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:06,390
dramatic photo that Ted ever got
was this one light source on the

922
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:11,340
wood on the on the on the field
through the timber he took with

923
01:10:11,340 --> 01:10:15,840
an with a golden arms you, you
could see it through the timber

924
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:21,690
and and it was he actually
cleaned that up with different

925
01:10:21,690 --> 01:10:26,340
programs where you could it all
focus into a shield like object

926
01:10:26,370 --> 01:10:30,510
in the middle of this field. And
he always envisioned flying one

927
01:10:30,510 --> 01:10:35,400
of these drones. And if we'd had
at that time, right into the

928
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:41,130
heart of this, from our point A,
at a line of sight into the well

929
01:10:41,130 --> 01:10:46,470
he believed these things to be
were portals. And he said at one

930
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:50,280
time, he said you would you
should have smacked me if I ever

931
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:55,050
said portal. But he said that's,
that's what they were. But he

932
01:10:55,050 --> 01:10:58,800
envisioned flying this line of
sight into the portal itself,

933
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:05,670
which we tried to get there
manually by vehicle. And just a

934
01:11:05,670 --> 01:11:09,000
demonstration real quick that
one night, we've seen one of

935
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:14,190
these where this always took
place this one portal, and 10 I

936
01:11:14,190 --> 01:11:18,030
got in my vehicle, we we drove
70 mile an hour on crown on a

937
01:11:18,030 --> 01:11:21,480
county road to it. We got up to
the field, we knew where it

938
01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:25,830
should be. There was no light,
no artifact of it. And the

939
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:29,610
property owner was back on site,
one on the deck. And thank God.

940
01:11:30,330 --> 01:11:32,880
And this is the kind of things
you've never you always have to

941
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,300
be observant. We were on radio
communication with a property

942
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:39,870
owner. And the property owner
said, Well, what do you guys

943
01:11:39,870 --> 01:11:43,920
see? And we said, well, we don't
see anything. And I turned

944
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,040
around my vehicle. And he he
said, Well, Tom, I see your

945
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,620
brake light on right next to it.

946
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:58,050
I said, we can't see anything.
And he said, Well, you should be

947
01:11:58,050 --> 01:12:01,050
there, I could see your brake
line right next to this portal

948
01:12:01,110 --> 01:12:05,370
or this line. So that's how
directional these things gonna

949
01:12:05,370 --> 01:12:11,280
appear. Now, how do you explain
that? And that's what drove me

950
01:12:11,310 --> 01:12:15,900
crazy over the years. And Marlon
will tell you but but there are

951
01:12:15,900 --> 01:12:22,110
other aspects that it's why Ted
pays so many people as Why did

952
01:12:22,110 --> 01:12:25,980
Ted Phillips devote his rest of
his life going out to Marley

953
01:12:25,980 --> 01:12:30,150
Woods time after time. That's
some of the things that drove

954
01:12:30,150 --> 01:12:33,810
him crazy. And along with the
thought there would be an event

955
01:12:33,810 --> 01:12:39,000
in Marley. Due to his past
experiences, which he didn't

956
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:43,590
share with the property owners
from another case he was on. I

957
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:47,520
will tell you that he said after
I'm gone, he said, I don't care

958
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:51,570
Tom, you can share with him but
because he had felt at that time

959
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,290
over the years, if it didn't
happen, it wasn't going to. So

960
01:12:55,290 --> 01:12:58,470
he said you can you can share
this with them whatever you

961
01:12:58,470 --> 01:13:02,880
like. And, but but that's what
kept me going. And still

962
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,310
interested in always back to
Hollywood.

963
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,690
John Greenewald: If you have
one, a couple more minutes, I

964
01:13:09,690 --> 01:13:12,150
didn't mean to throw you off
here by throwing Is this the

965
01:13:12,150 --> 01:13:13,560
picture that you were talking
about?

966
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,980
Thomas Ferrario: Yes, that is
it. So that is absolutely.

967
01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:24,480
John Greenewald: That's the one
that Ted took of this lie. Yeah.

968
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:26,850
And and the reason why I wanted
to see if you had a couple more

969
01:13:26,850 --> 01:13:30,780
minutes, is to explain some of
these visuals. If you're okay,

970
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,960
doing that. Would you Would you
mind?

971
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:37,200
Thomas Ferrario: That would be
fine. So that would be great.

972
01:13:37,650 --> 01:13:39,540
John Greenewald: Yeah, yeah.
Then let's just take a couple

973
01:13:39,540 --> 01:13:42,630
minutes. Hold on bear with me
here because I've got the

974
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:48,990
ability to let's start here.
What are we looking at here?

975
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:54,450
Thomas Ferrario: That is the
light source on the ground. Now

976
01:13:54,450 --> 01:13:58,410
that isn't a light image that
Ted took over the Northfield and

977
01:13:58,410 --> 01:14:02,130
Marley woods. That's what he
called the ambers. And I will

978
01:14:02,130 --> 01:14:06,390
tell you that picture doesn't do
it justice the issue here so off

979
01:14:07,050 --> 01:14:13,290
and you foggy that colorization
is it's on a spectrum that I

980
01:14:13,290 --> 01:14:17,580
believe that the eye can
interpret a camera. Very rarely

981
01:14:18,030 --> 01:14:24,510
can a chat experience experiment
with some film emotions, trying

982
01:14:24,510 --> 01:14:29,610
to capture that on film. And
unfortunately, you never could.

983
01:14:30,420 --> 01:14:35,040
But it's much more amber color
with the naked eye than what you

984
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:40,200
see there. You see a remnant of
the amber but that that's what

985
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:43,470
was he referred to as cambers
and Marley.

986
01:14:44,190 --> 01:14:47,640
John Greenewald: I see. Okay,
and then let's go let's do

987
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:52,470
another one here. See, these?
were some of the ones you sent

988
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:54,090
over. What are we looking at
here?

989
01:14:54,150 --> 01:14:57,930
Thomas Ferrario: That was a time
lapse photo that dead duck. Oh,

990
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:03,090
one of the heat shut up again.
And, of course, the night sky, a

991
01:15:03,090 --> 01:15:06,960
time lapse, he took a one of the
light balls, and one of the

992
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,880
ambers. And I will tell you that
it Ted had figured out with the,

993
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:16,800
with the, with the time lapse
film, that he did the

994
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,910
calculations, and he estimated
that this thing was traveling in

995
01:15:20,910 --> 01:15:28,230
excess of 15,000 miles an hour.
Now, the light loss can remain

996
01:15:28,230 --> 01:15:32,670
motionless, they can hover, they
can zip around, where you don't

997
01:15:32,670 --> 01:15:36,300
even heard, you can't really
even perceive them at times. And

998
01:15:36,300 --> 01:15:41,070
if you catch the little, at the
end of this line, this image,

999
01:15:41,340 --> 01:15:46,890
you can see the little hook it
goes up and comes down. And that

1000
01:15:46,890 --> 01:15:51,510
is one of the key features in a
dead set is just, it doesn't

1001
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:56,520
apply to our physics because
nothing can travel it in excess

1002
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:01,680
of 15,000 miles an hour. And do
that, you know, and but that's

1003
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,120
so common and you follow eg

1004
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,800
John Greenewald: Is there a span
of sky of the time lapse that

1005
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,470
you can kind of gauge for us?
Like, are we talking about the

1006
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:15,870
entire sky? Are we talking about
a you know, a 30 foot angle?

1007
01:16:15,870 --> 01:16:17,760
What do we what's the span here?

1008
01:16:20,250 --> 01:16:24,300
Thomas Ferrario: Yeah, it's on
the GPS on that I don't have it

1009
01:16:24,330 --> 01:16:29,730
the I would say you're looking
at a, you know, in the panorama

1010
01:16:29,730 --> 01:16:33,540
of a night sky, you're talking
about a third of the night sky

1011
01:16:33,570 --> 01:16:36,960
if you're looking up in that
time lapse photography there. So

1012
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,080
that's about under some
magnification, I will add which.

1013
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:47,340
And magnification, of course add
some artifacts to it. But But

1014
01:16:47,340 --> 01:16:51,810
still the image is astounding.
And and then again. So imagine

1015
01:16:51,810 --> 01:16:57,150
you follow the you if you look
at that image, which did like

1016
01:16:57,180 --> 01:17:04,860
the untrained eye, but to dig
gaps in that. And why. And

1017
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:09,300
that's the tract of a light ball
in excess of 15,000 miles an

1018
01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:13,860
hour where you see gaps in it.
Now does that mean it? It

1019
01:17:13,860 --> 01:17:18,030
stopped and started? You know,
we don't know.

1020
01:17:18,570 --> 01:17:22,410
John Greenewald: Gotcha. And I
appreciate you staying over your

1021
01:17:22,410 --> 01:17:24,990
time because because some of
these are pretty interesting. I

1022
01:17:24,990 --> 01:17:28,320
want to just get to two more
here, which ultimately may be

1023
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:33,060
connected. This is a casting
right of one of the unknown

1024
01:17:33,930 --> 01:17:35,010
animals.

1025
01:17:36,270 --> 01:17:39,720
Thomas Ferrario: Oh, yeah, yeah,
that's a trap we took of the

1026
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:44,460
animal that was in a location
where the property owner

1027
01:17:44,460 --> 01:17:51,240
actually had claimed he shot and
this was the large why. And the

1028
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:55,530
property, the guy works cattle,
you can judge the way the cattle

1029
01:17:55,560 --> 01:18:00,390
he said this creature was in
excess of 300 400 pounds. There

1030
01:18:00,390 --> 01:18:04,680
you go. I got it now. Yeah,
that's the track that we took.

1031
01:18:04,860 --> 01:18:10,440
And it was in an area behind the
barbed wire fence. And now this

1032
01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:16,620
gets really strange again. He
said he shot this animal at a

1033
01:18:16,620 --> 01:18:22,560
good distance. He claims to the
scope. He seen he he said he

1034
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:26,160
made it red. Meaning he thought
he hit it he thought he seen

1035
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:32,730
what the animal at that point
passed right through a four

1036
01:18:32,730 --> 01:18:36,570
strand barbed wire fence. Now I
don't mean went over or under.

1037
01:18:36,750 --> 01:18:40,530
He claims that it just turned
and walked through this fence.

1038
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:47,010
Now, we found no blood at that
site whatsoever. The strange

1039
01:18:47,010 --> 01:18:52,200
part about this is we did find a
16 inch long white hairs on the

1040
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:57,180
bottom strand, and top strand of
this fence. And I have images at

1041
01:18:57,180 --> 01:19:01,770
10 picking them off of this.
Now, it makes no sense. It left

1042
01:19:01,770 --> 01:19:06,420
physical tracks in left hair on
the fence. But the property

1043
01:19:06,420 --> 01:19:09,600
owner swears it just passed
right through this four strand

1044
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:16,110
barbed wire fence. Okay, wasn't
there. So now I put that it's

1045
01:19:16,110 --> 01:19:16,920
impossible.

1046
01:19:16,980 --> 01:19:19,860
John Greenewald: I put that
image of the hair on the screen.

1047
01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:23,340
I don't know if it's coming
through on your end. Is this the

1048
01:19:23,340 --> 01:19:28,170
hair that you referenced earlier
in the interview that had no

1049
01:19:28,170 --> 01:19:29,370
known match?

1050
01:19:32,430 --> 01:19:35,460
Thomas Ferrario: That's it.
That's it. Yeah. And I don't

1051
01:19:35,460 --> 01:19:39,540
have the image yet. But that
white hair on that is the hair

1052
01:19:39,540 --> 01:19:43,980
that we sent off. And Ted still
has samples so that you know at

1053
01:19:43,980 --> 01:19:48,150
some point we'd like to send for
further DNA, mitochondrial and

1054
01:19:48,180 --> 01:19:53,520
offer. What they can do now is
unbelievable. But yes, that's

1055
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:59,970
the hair and came back under my
cross up and as you search it

1056
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:06,510
Came back no known match. Now we
have 16 inch long white hair,

1057
01:20:06,780 --> 01:20:15,450
there's no, no white ponies or
dogs or anything in that area

1058
01:20:15,450 --> 01:20:20,130
has 16 inch long white hair. But
we got it from the citing the

1059
01:20:20,130 --> 01:20:24,750
source of this it is physical
trace evidence, you have to

1060
01:20:24,750 --> 01:20:31,500
accept it, and it leaves tracks.
And that track there, it's hard,

1061
01:20:31,500 --> 01:20:35,940
it's the size of my open hand,
it would fit right virtually in

1062
01:20:35,940 --> 01:20:40,200
my hand, it's that big. Wow. And
stepping into that area, and I

1063
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:45,390
will tell you, our we didn't
compress the soil. And dedmon

1064
01:20:45,390 --> 01:20:48,210
did in one case, he did a
compression test on the soil.

1065
01:20:48,750 --> 01:20:52,140
And he estimated was pretty hard
at that day. He said it it looks

1066
01:20:52,140 --> 01:20:57,540
to him like it would did wait
around 300 pounds or so. And

1067
01:20:57,540 --> 01:21:04,230
descriptions are from a white
polar bear slash sloths. Some

1068
01:21:04,260 --> 01:21:09,930
compared to do I dare wolf. So
what kind of cryptid this was,

1069
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:14,910
you know, we have no idea. And
we think there's a living

1070
01:21:14,910 --> 01:21:17,760
breathing population of these
things out there running around.

1071
01:21:18,180 --> 01:21:21,630
We know there isn't it's was the
only time ever seen Marley

1072
01:21:21,630 --> 01:21:25,260
woods, by the property owners,
this creature, the one and only

1073
01:21:25,260 --> 01:21:31,140
appearance. Now I will say after
he thought he shot it. The next

1074
01:21:31,140 --> 01:21:34,770
day, his daughter was on that
piece of property. And she

1075
01:21:34,770 --> 01:21:41,370
claimed she seen two of them
now, but they've never been

1076
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:47,280
there. Now that is that is an
image that the daughter took,

1077
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:53,760
she had a camera with her very
high magnification. And we we

1078
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:59,040
tried to blow it up, she tried
to zoom in on it very crude,

1079
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:03,150
very poor image. That is the
only known image we have of the

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01:22:03,150 --> 01:22:07,620
creature. And Ted use several
types of filters to clean that

1081
01:22:07,620 --> 01:22:10,950
up and send it off. And you
really can't tell anything

1082
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:17,040
except that it's a very large
pass the body, the neck and the

1083
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:21,360
from what people that know what
they're looking at. And one of

1084
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:25,320
the veterinarians out there, we
show this to show that the the

1085
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:30,750
neck and head structure and that
crude image just doesn't look

1086
01:22:30,900 --> 01:22:37,290
that it makes any sense. He from
his expertise, it just doesn't

1087
01:22:37,290 --> 01:22:41,760
look like anything he could
recognize her identify from the

1088
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:46,650
structure of the neck and the
head on it. So that's what we

1089
01:22:46,650 --> 01:22:50,250
had to work with the imagery.
That's all we had. And we're

1090
01:22:50,250 --> 01:22:53,310
glad we had that. But that
proves they were seeing

1091
01:22:53,310 --> 01:22:53,820
something.

1092
01:22:54,450 --> 01:22:58,740
John Greenewald: Yeah. Well, I
wanted to end with this photo,

1093
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,760
simply because it was there for
me to grab. And I wanted to give

1094
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:06,840
everybody an idea. This is you
and Ted Philips standing side by

1095
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:11,370
side. There's no date on my end.
What do you remember when this

1096
01:23:11,370 --> 01:23:12,090
was taken?

1097
01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:20,580
Thomas Ferrario: That was taken
probably early. I'd say 2006?

1098
01:23:21,300 --> 01:23:28,650
Early 2006. Yeah. Well, yeah,
that was, I was. That was one of

1099
01:23:28,650 --> 01:23:32,490
the when I really got to be
close with Ted out there. And we

1100
01:23:32,490 --> 01:23:36,270
formed a working relationship.
And I was in a lot better shape.

1101
01:23:36,270 --> 01:23:39,150
Then Debbie and I were we were
doing the move on dive team at

1102
01:23:39,150 --> 01:23:45,210
that point for move on, you
know, and but yeah, that was

1103
01:23:45,210 --> 01:23:48,150
quite that's the structure
behind us there. The metal

1104
01:23:48,150 --> 01:23:52,410
building you see is a two story
structure, which was our office

1105
01:23:52,410 --> 01:23:55,950
in which the property owners I
will tell you, I've even put on

1106
01:23:55,950 --> 01:23:59,940
the deed now to the property as
Ted Phillips Morley would

1107
01:23:59,940 --> 01:24:05,280
Research Center they devoted to
place to to. So that was really

1108
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:11,430
great when they did that. And,
but and it gets so crazy. JOHN,

1109
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:15,330
in this business, I can tell
you, that is actually the only

1110
01:24:15,570 --> 01:24:20,220
structure part of the structure
we would show. We had actually

1111
01:24:20,220 --> 01:24:24,930
had showed photos of their of
our building. And believe me or

1112
01:24:24,930 --> 01:24:28,950
not, there were people with a
lot of time on our hands. They

1113
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:33,660
got on GPS photos, and Google
Earth. And there was one

1114
01:24:33,660 --> 01:24:37,470
individual that actually thinks
he found Marley any zoomed in

1115
01:24:37,860 --> 01:24:41,910
how many hours he devoted to a
define our structure on Google

1116
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:45,840
Earth. I have no idea. But he
actually found it on Google

1117
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:50,610
Earth. Oh, wow. So that's the
only image we would show after

1118
01:24:50,610 --> 01:24:53,370
that other building. And, and

1119
01:24:53,550 --> 01:24:56,040
John Greenewald: if it came
through on your end, I have to

1120
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:59,730
ask and it may mean absolutely
nothing but that's skull back

1121
01:24:59,730 --> 01:25:04,050
there. That is mounted on the
wall. I believe it's a skull.

1122
01:25:04,290 --> 01:25:06,630
Yeah. Is there? Is there a story
behind that?

1123
01:25:07,980 --> 01:25:10,980
Thomas Ferrario: No, no, there
really isn't the property owner

1124
01:25:10,980 --> 01:25:18,750
forever. It is. And the old
cabin. There again, I don't have

1125
01:25:18,750 --> 01:25:22,200
a picture of a duck because the
cabins next to the building, but

1126
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:27,150
I will tell you they were avid
deer hunters. And it goes into

1127
01:25:27,150 --> 01:25:29,880
another story but a hunter out
there was an avid bear hunter

1128
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,150
went up north and what happened
to him and Marley, he would

1129
01:25:33,150 --> 01:25:36,600
never come back to Marley what
he experienced but, but the one

1130
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:42,570
front of the cabin is just full
of skulls, deer skulls, you name

1131
01:25:42,570 --> 01:25:46,620
that type of critter and attain
on that front of that log cabin.

1132
01:25:47,790 --> 01:25:52,140
But it's not related. Right?
There again, I will check in

1133
01:25:52,140 --> 01:25:52,680
desk.

1134
01:25:53,820 --> 01:25:58,530
John Greenewald: Well, Tom, I
thank you so much for spending

1135
01:25:58,530 --> 01:26:01,350
so much time with me. I know we
kind of scheduled an hour. And

1136
01:26:01,620 --> 01:26:05,640
here we are an hour and a half.
And that, you know, the photo

1137
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:09,360
show and tell there was a little
bit impromptu. So I appreciate

1138
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:12,870
you playing ball with me on
that, because I had the

1139
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:15,780
capability to bring it up. And
so I thought I'd do that and

1140
01:26:15,780 --> 01:26:19,290
have you explain what some of
those photos are. But thank you

1141
01:26:19,290 --> 01:26:22,440
so incredibly much. And I wish
you all the best. I want to

1142
01:26:22,440 --> 01:26:25,860
bring you back, though, and
bring you back quickly. Because

1143
01:26:25,860 --> 01:26:31,020
we never even talked about
another aspect of your work and

1144
01:26:31,020 --> 01:26:35,460
Ted's work which ties into the
moon shaft project. So I'm

1145
01:26:35,460 --> 01:26:39,660
hoping that you had enough fun
this hour and a half to come

1146
01:26:39,660 --> 01:26:43,710
back and talk about that. So you
are absolutely invited. Anytime

1147
01:26:43,710 --> 01:26:44,400
you would like.

1148
01:26:47,550 --> 01:26:50,370
Thomas Ferrario: Well, I would
love to do it, john. And I will

1149
01:26:50,370 --> 01:26:55,290
tell you, as Ted always said
moon shaft is the Greatest Story

1150
01:26:55,290 --> 01:26:58,200
NEVER Told, and we're working
with people that try to bring

1151
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:04,800
that out. And all I can say is
is I truly believe it's just

1152
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,800
short is the story of
instrumentality, that self

1153
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:11,670
maintaining over eons of time
that's sitting over in Slovakia

1154
01:27:11,670 --> 01:27:15,660
in a cave, and, uh, and it's
there, believe me, and it's the

1155
01:27:15,660 --> 01:27:19,500
Greatest Story NEVER Told. And I
truly believe it does been

1156
01:27:19,500 --> 01:27:19,800
there.

1157
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,040
John Greenewald: Yeah. And and
it's it is a fascinating story.

1158
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,370
I talked at length with Ted
about it many years ago. And

1159
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:30,030
when you come back, we will
definitely dive into that,

1160
01:27:30,030 --> 01:27:32,910
because that is a fascinating
topic as well. But Tom, thank

1161
01:27:32,910 --> 01:27:36,780
you again. It's great to see you
again, and stay safe out there.

1162
01:27:36,780 --> 01:27:39,630
But thank you. And we'll
definitely do that second show

1163
01:27:39,630 --> 01:27:40,170
here soon.

1164
01:27:42,660 --> 01:27:45,990
Thomas Ferrario: Okay, john.
Well, thank you. And I'd love to

1165
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:49,560
do it. And I just want to tell
you, Chad had such an

1166
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,130
appreciation over the years
working with you. And he really

1167
01:27:53,130 --> 01:27:57,180
respected your work and you as a
friend and you were one of the

1168
01:27:57,180 --> 01:28:01,410
few believe me that Jed did
trust and love to work with. So

1169
01:28:01,590 --> 01:28:03,120
I just want to thank you for the

1170
01:28:03,599 --> 01:28:05,249
John Greenewald: well I
appreciate that. That means a

1171
01:28:05,249 --> 01:28:09,509
lot to here. And and thank you.
Thank you for sharing that. And

1172
01:28:09,509 --> 01:28:13,589
And with that said again, thank
you, Tom. And thank you all for

1173
01:28:13,589 --> 01:28:17,159
listening and watching please,
if you can, if you like these

1174
01:28:17,159 --> 01:28:20,039
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1175
01:28:20,039 --> 01:28:23,249
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1176
01:28:23,249 --> 01:28:27,569
about interviews and videos just
like this. So thanks again to

1177
01:28:27,569 --> 01:28:31,049
Tom, I wish him all the best
with his further research. He is

1178
01:28:31,049 --> 01:28:33,389
somebody that I very much
respect in this field and have

1179
01:28:33,389 --> 01:28:36,929
for a long time along with Ted
Philips and those that work with

1180
01:28:36,929 --> 01:28:40,199
them on these projects. Thank
you all again. This is John

1181
01:28:40,199 --> 01:28:42,629
Greenewald Jr signing off, and
we'll see you next time.