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John Greenewald: April 24 2021
Here we go. And we go. Are you

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ready to make a change battle
lunia this Luis, I'm so excited

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for today. Luna. In the event
known as the big phone home

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commences with a kickoff filled
with passion, fun, determination

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and admission to demand more
transparency from the US

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government and encourage
scientific study of the UFO

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issue.

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Luis Jimenez: So today, you guys
is all about activism, all about

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getting the word out on the UAP
transparency train,

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John Greenewald: people from all
over the world took part and

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1000s tuned in to see what it
was all about. really wonderful

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to hear. Now. It's about to
happen again. But this time,

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it's much bigger, and has a much
more concentrated effort to

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bring people together. And yet
again, ask the US government for

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transparency when it comes to
unidentified aerial phenomenon.

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Joining me today, Luis Jimenez,
the brainchild of the big phone

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home and host of the
unidentified celebrity reviews.

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Joining as well is Michael Mehta
Looney I think the host of the

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singularity lab is a digital
marketer by trade, he saw

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Louise's vision and immediately
jumped in to join forces and

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bring the entire project to a
new level. So stay tuned,

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because you're about to explore
the big foe home too, as we

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journey inside the black ball.

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That's right, everybody. As
always, thank you so much for

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tuning in and making this your
podcast or your live stream of

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choice. I'm your host, john
Greenwald, Jr, founder and

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creator of the black vault calm.
And today I'm doing what I feel

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anyway is something a little bit
different. And I'm super excited

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to bring these two gentlemen on.
I've got Luis Jimenez and

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Michael metal Looney, both very
prominently placed here on

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YouTube, if that's how you are
watching me right now. They've

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got the unidentified celebrity
review. That would be Louisa

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show, and the singularity lab,
which is Michael show, both of

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which are popular and growing in
popularity. So I'm excited to

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have these two gents on you
guys. Thanks for taking some

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time and spending it with me
today. Heck, yeah. Excited to be

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here, john. It's our pleasure.
Yeah. So I'm excited to bring

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you on because you have started
Luis, I think that this was your

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brainchild. And please guys,
correct me if I get any facts

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wrong. But you started something
called the big phone home. Yeah,

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I want to start with you, Luis
and tell me a little bit of a

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rundown of the big phone home.
You've already done. One, the

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second one's coming. And we'll
get to that. But in a nutshell,

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what is it?

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Luis Jimenez: It's essentially a
gathering of professionals,

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amateurs, journalists, military
members and enthusiasts to come

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together on the same day and
call Congress and demand more

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transparency, more data, more
more serious discussion, more

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scientific discussions, and and
congressional hearings is what

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the main focus of the big phone
home to is going to be. But

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that's essentially it. In a
nutshell, it's just a way for us

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to find common ground. For the
first one, it was 24 hours for

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this one, it'll be 24 full
hours, like our eight hours live

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stream was the first one this
one we're doing three live

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streams in eight hour sets. So
you're getting around all day of

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shows in discussion, but

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John Greenewald: yeah, that's
the idea. And it's the dates are

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coming up. We're less than 30
days away, September 4, fifth,

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and sixth. And Michael, I know
that you played a role not only

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in the first one, but a big one
in the second. What is it that

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that you aim to accomplish with
all this same as Luis or do you

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have a different viewpoint? What
are you trying to do with it?

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Michael Mataluni: Well, when I
first heard about the original

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big phone home, I thought it was
such a fabulous idea. And Luis

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reached out to me we had just
met and done a podcast together

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and people were like, Man, you
guys have some real chemistry.

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And so he invited me to co host
the big phone home with him. And

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so you know, we ripped together
a quick website and we just did

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everything Everything was low
budget and the with the only

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goal of going live for eight
hours and demanding that

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Congress released the UAP TF
report on time and yeah, they

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did and we were thrilled about
it. And so we believe that the

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if you want have, you know, we
live in an age of conspiracy

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theories, right. So if you want
to eliminate conspiracy

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theories, you have to tell the
truth. And the more transparency

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you give, the less, the less you
have of people filling in the

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blanks on their own. So that's
what the big phone home two is

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all about. It's about getting
hearings in Congress on the UAP

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phenomenon, so that we can make
a lasting imprint in people's

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minds. And it becomes more real
than ever, so that we can

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continue moving forward towards
disclosure, whatever that means,

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in the end.

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John Greenewald: So getting rid
of the conspiracy theory, what

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if the truth comes out? And it
reinforces the conspiracy

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theory? It will, in what way?
Yeah, well, you tell me I mean,

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the conspiracy theory, the
conspiracy theory, obviously, is

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there's this massive cover up, I
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evidence is there. But if it
What if it really truly just

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reinforces what we all feared,
and that is the government is

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truly hiding this, there is an
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and the general public is going
to be left in the dark? Do you

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feel that Congress would have
the power to overturn a cover up

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like that?

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Luis Jimenez: Oh, I don't know
if they have the power to

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overturn it completely. But I
can tell you, it's definitely

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not going to happen if they
don't hear from their

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constituency. And so that's the
idea. We're trying to inspire

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people to pick up the phone and
make a phone call to their local

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or state representative, which
is already a huge task in itself

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if we actually succeed in that
awesome. But will he also

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provide other tools for you to
do it? Well, you don't have to

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pick up a phone, you can send an
email, you could send a tweet,

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we're gonna make it we're gonna
give you as many tools in this

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tool belt to activate yourself
as you can. I don't think we can

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overturn a secret that big in
one hearing or one event. I

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think if we're going to unravel
that knot, it's going to be a

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1520 year process. But the way
we get that process rolling, is

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to demand it. We have to ask for
it. We've never done it before.

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So we might as well try it. And
if it doesn't work, then we can

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say okay, well, we at least we
tried. Yeah, but we have we've

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never even put in the effort
before. And the first one, you

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know, it was essentially just
me. And then Michael came in, he

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helped me build the website. He
helped me hosted. But I mean,

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like he said, it was a
shoestring budget, we were

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putting I was putting things
together by myself a lot. And it

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was hard. It was really hard,
but particularly when it came to

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picking, well, who were going to
contact you know, so when I

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talked to Steven Bassett, he
told me to focus on eight

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committees. And so those are the
eight committees I focused on

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and and i really hit them hard
as much as I could. And I

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encouraged my, my fan base and
the people I didn't The reason

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why I asked so many people to
come join me to do this effort

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is because I'm nobody I'm
especially at the time I had

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less than 1000 subscribers. Now
I've only got you know, 3700 I'm

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not. I'm not a tastemaker, or a
trendsetter, yet. We get there

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one day,

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John Greenewald: that would be
fun. You don't give yourself

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enough credit, man, you have
done an amazing amount of pre

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accomplished. No, I'm being
serious. And I'm not just saying

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that. So you got to make sure
you give yourself some credit to

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because you've done a lot.

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Luis Jimenez: No, I look, I
here's what I do is I set my

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expectations really low, as low
as I can possibly set them. So

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that way if I exceed them,
awesome, it's icing on the cake.

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But we've just I can't get
excited. I can't start patting

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myself on the back end. Because
there's so much more work to do.

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I need 50,000 people calling in
the Congress not 500 I need an

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army of people to to to
assemble. And that's why I

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reached out to all of these
different people in the Twitter,

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UFO universe, I reached out to
everybody, even if I didn't like

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them or didn't agree with them
personally like them. I don't

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even know them. How can I not
like them, but if my

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philosophies clash with them, I
still wanted them to come on

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board because who out of all
who's going to argue for now we

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shouldn't ask for congressional
hearings? Who's gonna argue for

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that? Like, Mick was the only
one I found who for some reason

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doesn't want more data? So fine,
but I not doesn't, you know, I

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asked him to join the big phone
home. We want to make Wes there

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because Mick West is a valuable
voice in debunking a lot of

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these things that come across
the table. He's valuable. And so

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that's why I wanted him there.
Because I also want his

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following his men above verse to
go, Hey, you know what, let's

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call Why might as well let's see
if we can get some congressional

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hearings, because now you get
people to testify in a

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congressional hearing. They're
sworn under oath, if they get

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called lying under oath. Now
there are some serious

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consequences to that are going
to come with that. And that's

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what we have to do. We have to
put the pressure but I can't do

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it by myself. Because I'm
honestly man, I'm nobody, you

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know, I need john Greenwald, I
need Jeremy korbel, I need Danny

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Silva. I need all of them. I
need everybody on board just for

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three days, three days, and then
we could go back to arguing

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about whatever the hell it is
you want to argue, you know,

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like, we need to come together
at this table for three days and

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demand congressional hearings.
It's what we've been asked to

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do, by the people that are the
leaders of this movement. And I

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don't think they would call
themselves the leaders of this

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movement. But when you listen,
when you look at Christopher

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melons, blogs, when you listen
to the countless of hours of Lou

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Elizondo, speaking about this
topic, the two things that they

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always tell you is, we need
people to say something, we need

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people to activate themselves,
nothing is going to happen. And

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and I'm sorry, to people aren't
going to give us the information

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we want. Not three people, not
five, not 100, it's going to

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take 1000s of us in one voice,
demanding this. That's what I

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truly believe. Because for me,
this issue is bipartisan, it's

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an issue that you can really
pull a lot of ideas and

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philosophies and ways of
thinking under this umbrella of

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UAP. Because if it's real, if it
is a cover up as as you think it

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might be, john, at least that's
the way that the the information

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is pointing, right? If that's
what it turns out to be. All of

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a sudden, borders be nothing.
You know, like, now we've become

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a planetary race. It's no
longer, you know, let's draw

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lines in the sand and throw
bombs at each other. It's Oh my

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God, we have now a common. I
don't want to call it enemy

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because we don't know if it's an
enemy, but a common goal, or a

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bully or whatever you want to
call it. If this thing turns out

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to be money relevant. We would
have to band together we would

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have to come together and even
if it's not even if it's a piece

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bearing civilization or whatever
it is, we still have to come

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together. We still have to erase
these borders, because we have

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to catch up to a spacefaring
civilization like, do you think

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they have borders? Do you think
they just show up on planets and

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plant the flag and go, this is
mine? No, I don't think that's

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the way they think. And, and I
think eventually, this idea of

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and Elizondo says it all the
time, you know, it's it's, we're

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gonna have to come together
under one flag, you know, it

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doesn't necessarily have to be
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flag or Russian flag, maybe we
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one big beautiful flag that we
can all fly under that we can

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all be proud to represent and
stop looking at each other as

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the enemy and start looking at
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John Greenewald: Mike, Michael,
if the if the end goal for you

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guys, is those congressional
hearings? If they happen? Number

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one, I know that you would want
them public. But number two,

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what do you think would
ultimately be revealed? Do you

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have this dream scenario? Do you
have a thought prediction of

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what might happen? If you were
to achieve that through the big

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Michael Mataluni: yeah. So I do
not have a dream scenario. I do

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not believe this is an end game,
the big phone home to is is

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another chess move that we're
looking to make and

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congressional hearings are a
part of that. When it comes to

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the cover up? Or what's being
covered up or what's being not

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not transparent? I don't know.
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have the answer. I don't. And to
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really not interested in what I
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truth. And so by revealing this
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government is very good at
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many examples throughout
history, including MK Ultra and

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the the Japanese dropping bombs
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ever knew about and fugo. I
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that the government tries to
obviously obfuscate. And so our

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goal is simply to get to the
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facts. And I think what Louie
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people like Mick West and meta
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our team, because the more
voices we have, the better and

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it's good when you have people
who can clarify and help debunk

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things that aren't things we
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whether it's extraterrestrial,
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terrestrial, or us or them,
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what matters is we get to the
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the truth in order to figure out
what the next steps are on this

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journey. And we can't make good
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so I believe the information
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the government is, was created
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in the United States and we need
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John Greenewald: I'm bringing up
the way All right now you guys

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did a great job with this, you
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your representative, so who to
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make a call, write an email or
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guys did the big phone home one,
do you have an idea of I know,

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Louis, you threw out a 500
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was just an analogy you were
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an idea of how many people did
pick up the phone? How many

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people did send a letter or
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Luis Jimenez: I have no clue.
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that the only things I know are
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received. So you know, we had
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live streams when we did it. And
then when I looked at somebody

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sent me the analytics of it, and
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million people. That means 1.3
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their phones, and they were
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front of them. Right? Um, I have
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question. And that was something
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we're gonna figure that out. As
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it today. I'm like, man, how can
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way to do it, it would be you
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send a letter, make a phone
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get a permission to join the
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way, whoever's in the live
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tweet or did something active,
that would might be a way to

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track it. But it's just those
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to implement. If you don't have
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John Greenewald: The first one
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of how many people took part,
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just based on the people that
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you know, I see how much
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and and singularity lab. And I
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group. So I'm sure you had a lot
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those letters. Yeah. Did you
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Luis Jimenez: I've heard of a
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their letters. Some people got
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don't think there were many
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within the government.
Lawmakers, God Navy, evade,

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we're on the radar now. So
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you know, I was setting my
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If I was like, I in my brain, I
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people to call that would be
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that's a tough ask. Thankfully,
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time, James Fox had also put out
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just kind of hijacked that and
said, Hey, I'm gonna push this

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website, because this is a
really great way to it's another

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tool in the tool belt, you know,
and he also had a template to

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send the Congress. So I use his
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use his website and my website,
and I said, Hey, here are the

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tools you guys do it. However
you can, whatever is easiest for

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you, if you're the soccer mom
who's busy, but you really have

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a passion for this, you could do
a couple clicks of the button,

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and you've done your activism
for the year. If you're a person

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like me, who's got some time and
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and then combine all three of
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outside of their state to
personally call these senators

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and congressmen that are
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budget Oversight Committee, or
the intelligence, subcommittees

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and things like that.
Absolutely. Go for it. I mean,

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just I'm trying to provide the
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kill to track it. Because I
think that's important data

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that, you know, because if we're
getting 5000 people, this time

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calling man, that's a lot.
That's a lot of people to call

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to take their time out of a
Saturday, Sunday or Monday to

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demand more UAP transparency,
because like we talked about

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this all the show all the time
on the show, our goal is to take

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this topic seriously, but never
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Because we're asking people to
call Congress and demand more

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UAP data, instead of more police
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a more substantial, you know,
progressive, you know, social

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rights legislation, like there's
so many I don't want to get too

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specific because I don't want to
piss anybody off. But there are

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other political platforms that
we could be encouraging people

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to do. Like nobody's lost their
life because there wasn't enough

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UAP data. You know, nobody's
mother got lost, you know,

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gotten lost in the shuffle or
never made it across a border

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because of mean people or you
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It's important, but it's even
for me, like this is not the

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front burner of the topics of
what's happening in the world

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today. But I think man, it
should be close to being

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switched out with something else
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conversation, we just had a very
interesting conversation on

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Michael's channel about drone
technology, and how there's a

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huge hole in security when it
comes to simple drone systems

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that can be swarm together and
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that's a very easy terrorist
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the same level of 911. And we
hear this coming out of

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Elizondo. And Mellon, I say it's
a it's a two part thing. They're

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trying to D stigmatize it. So
maybe they can get a control of

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this drone issue. And then the
double side of that is like,

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that's insanely interesting.
Yes, it is. It is. There's,

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there's so much paperwork,
there's so much history that

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goes into what the hell's going
on with this UAP man like

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there's gotta be something here.
But especially when you get

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Elizondo, his emails being
erased that you know, that folks

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like you were able to, to make
public and make people aware of,

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like, these are all wonderful,
progressive things. And I think

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it's it's like the marijuana
discussion in 1994. Nobody would

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touch it with a template foot
pole legally, especially if you

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were a senator or a congressman,
today, it's almost a legalized

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substance. I mean, we're we're
having the conversation. I mean,

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the president just denied it,
which is crazy. But next

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president, I don't think Well, I
mean, like, we're, it's gonna be

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a pretty much like beer in the
United States. So those things

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don't happen unless, unless we
talk about it unless we put the

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pressure unless we call unless
we write and we have the ability

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to tweet at them. There's so
many great tools to get in touch

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with these folks. And now that
it you know, the thing that gets

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me excited about the big phone
home, too, is if we've got

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10,000 people in the stream,
which is what we had on the

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first one, and I think we're
gonna exceed it. But let's just

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say we have 10,000. And I can
get half of those people

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galvanized to tweet at Marco
Rubio all at the same time.

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Now you've got some legitimate
political power. Maybe we get

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Marco Rubio on the show, and we
could talk to him for 15 or 20

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minutes about this topic, and
express to him, the bipartisan

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pneus of it, like why it's a
bipartisan issue and why

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government needs to do this,
because government's got a trust

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issue right now, a big trust
issue. And it's like every

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veteran that comes on the show
has a trust with its own

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government. You know, every
scientist, every journalist,

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every everyone who comes on the
show, doesn't trust the

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government. Why? You have to
start being like the mirror

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government. I know. It's not
just one entity, there's many

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nuances and moving parts to the
government. I'm not trying to

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just paint a brush here. But why
don't people trust our

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government?

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John Greenewald: Well, decade's
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Michael, let me let me ask you,
and I'll put you in the

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spotlight right now. Because,
you know, Luis, you could tell

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the passion behind it and the
intent for real results. Let's

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just pretend we blasted Marco
Rubio, you got him on the show,

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you had 10 minutes with them to
ask whatever you want, or tell

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him whatever you want. What
would you ask him? Or what would

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you tell them?

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Michael Mataluni: Well, I mean,
number one, I don't think he's

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going to share anything
classified. So I would certainly

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push to get information beyond
what we already know from Rubio.

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I mean, one of the things that
he talks about very specifically

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and consistently is, we need to
look at these things from the

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threat narrative perspective.
And I think that's the only way

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you get the government even
looking at this. And what he

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talks about is what he's been
reporting on, which is the

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nuclear issues. UAE, UAE or UAE,
turning off nuclear, you know,

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nuclear systems. And that is
something truly extraordinary

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that we have to make sure that
we get a handle on whether it's

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a purely UAP or you a V, we
don't know. You know, again,

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Luis just mentioned this, we had
somebody, David Hambling from

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Forbes magazine, and Popular
Mechanics. He's a writer, and he

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was just on our show a couple
minutes ago. And one of the

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things he was talking about was
the threat of domestic terrorism

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with with UAE drones, etc. So
that's something that we have to

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we need to manage and get our
get our hands around. But when

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it comes to UAP, the reason that
so many folks are fascinated by

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this topic. You know, what I
want to know is what they know.

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And I think the biggest problem
is I don't think Marco Rubio

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knows very much. But what I
would push for Marco Rubio to do

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is push for congressional
hearings, I would want him to

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know that there is a grassroots
movement of people out there who

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are willing to lift you know,
raise their fist, pick up their

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telephones and write to their
senators that so he knows and

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others like him know that we're
serious and we're demanding

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answers. It's not enough to
placate us. It's not enough to

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obfuscate. It's not enough to
tell us we've got everything

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under control, you need to
develop or redevelop trust. And

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I know it sounds naive. But the
goal here is to improve the

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relationship between the United
States public and our governing

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our federal government, and it
is at an all time low. And if

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this is the issue that can
actually bring people together

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and build trust between the
people and their government

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again, then hell, let's do it.
Let's push for it. And maybe we

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can get some other things done.
along the way. I think, you

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know, I think it's an
extraordinary opportunity for us

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to be heard. And even though
there are only 10,000 people who

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listened to the first big phone
number were that on the first

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day of home from live, you know,
our goal is to get more but even

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then, you know, I can't prove
this. But we had anecdotal

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evidence, we had people come
back who were connected to the

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Pentagon saying, What the hell
are these guys doing? This is

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not cool. And so if we can get
their attention with 10,000

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people, what can we do at 20?
What can we do with 50? What can

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we do with 100,000 people across
the spectrum, not just UFO

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Twitter, that's the most
important thing. There are other

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real threats that need to be
identified, that have to do with

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everyone, every single person
United States has it has a role

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to play here has it can be
impacted by this phenomenon. And

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we need to get ourselves
together galvanized to create a

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movement that gets the
transparency that we're looking

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00:26:27,630 --> 00:26:31,140
for. And again, I don't have any
vested interest in the outcome.

431
00:26:31,170 --> 00:26:33,780
All I have is a vested interest
in the truth.

432
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,830
John Greenewald: And kudos to
you for that mindset. You guys

433
00:26:37,860 --> 00:26:40,800
brought up a couple times, and I
agree with you the threat.

434
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,780
potential is what resonates in
Washington, whether people like

435
00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:48,570
it or not, right, it's the T
word that that a lot of people

436
00:26:48,570 --> 00:26:52,500
don't want to talk about. But I
truly feel that the threat

437
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:56,040
potential here, backed by
evidence and decade's worth of

438
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,250
declassified documents is there
to show whatever this phenomena

439
00:26:59,250 --> 00:27:02,940
is that is being covered up what
it is, I don't know, I wouldn't

440
00:27:02,940 --> 00:27:05,970
bet my house on any going
theory, but I want to stick with

441
00:27:05,970 --> 00:27:09,570
the threat thing for a second.
When you guys do the big phone

442
00:27:09,570 --> 00:27:11,610
home or when you're doing the
shows, and when you're reaching

443
00:27:11,610 --> 00:27:15,240
out and getting people excited
about this. Why do you think

444
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,250
that there is an apprehension
with some people to that threat

445
00:27:20,250 --> 00:27:23,340
potential. It's like if you say
the T word. There's a lot of

446
00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:26,700
people that push back into whoa,
wait, you can't go there. Or

447
00:27:26,820 --> 00:27:29,940
whoa, wait, it's a big
conspiracy because well, maillet

448
00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:33,030
pushing it Elizondo is pushing
it. Well, they're right to push

449
00:27:33,030 --> 00:27:36,030
it because it's true. But and
that's one thing I've never

450
00:27:36,030 --> 00:27:39,810
harped on him for I've harped on
him a lot for things. But that's

451
00:27:39,810 --> 00:27:43,710
one thing I've always been very
much in line with. But for you

452
00:27:43,710 --> 00:27:48,120
guys, you know, with with the
intention of what you have, is

453
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,640
that something that we should
ignore? Is it something we

454
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,090
should spotlight or why do you
think that every apprehension is

455
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:55,890
there? And if one of you can
answer

456
00:27:55,950 --> 00:27:57,600
Michael Mataluni: Yeah, well,
let me let me real quick, and

457
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,370
then I'll turn it over to you,
Louise, because I have I have

458
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,100
something to say about this. So
specifically, I think one of the

459
00:28:02,130 --> 00:28:06,840
one of the problems with the
threat narrative when it comes

460
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:12,300
to folks who don't necessarily
all none of us really know what

461
00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:16,770
this is, right? We don't know if
there's an actual threat. Or it

462
00:28:16,770 --> 00:28:19,740
when you talk about the diamond
into the roof view. ap is right,

463
00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:24,120
the the Dietrich and Fraser
incident the Nimitz incident

464
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:26,970
with the Tic Tac none of us know
what that is, whether it's a

465
00:28:26,970 --> 00:28:30,450
threat or not. And I think
there's a certain danger in

466
00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:32,580
saying and pointing to something
like that and saying it's a

467
00:28:32,580 --> 00:28:36,480
threat, because it could make
people afraid for literally no

468
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:42,000
reason. Now, when it comes to
drones and UHV. Absolutely,

469
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,240
there's a potential threat and
we should absolutely be talking

470
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,340
about it. But I think it's
important to distinguish those

471
00:28:47,340 --> 00:28:50,550
things. And I think there's a
huge disconnect with people's

472
00:28:50,550 --> 00:28:54,450
ability to distinguish the
phenomenon because we put it

473
00:28:54,450 --> 00:28:58,080
under one umbrella. And it's
not, it's absolutely not we have

474
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,160
real threats that are
terrestrial that are coming from

475
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,360
other countries and potentially
could be harmful. We have

476
00:29:06,420 --> 00:29:10,770
unknown phenomenon like the what
happened off the Nimitz that we

477
00:29:10,770 --> 00:29:15,000
just can't explain, and
potentially many, many others.

478
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,840
So I think it's dangerous to
blanket it all under a single

479
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,530
umbrella, and point to the
threat narrative. But I think

480
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,580
it's very important for us to be
comfortable talking about the

481
00:29:26,580 --> 00:29:30,060
threat narrative when it comes
to actual threats, like drone

482
00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:34,680
technology swarming and things
that can offer a payload that

483
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,370
are very easy to hide, and very
easy to maneuver.

484
00:29:38,879 --> 00:29:40,409
John Greenewald: I just saw a
headline the other day that the

485
00:29:40,409 --> 00:29:44,819
Air Force is experimenting with
like mosquito sized drones,

486
00:29:45,659 --> 00:29:49,139
something to that effect, and I
laughed because there's a CIA

487
00:29:49,139 --> 00:29:52,379
program that I just filmed a
television series about it'll

488
00:29:52,379 --> 00:29:55,589
air I can't actually I shouldn't
say the network, but it'll air

489
00:29:55,589 --> 00:29:57,899
on a major cable network. I'll
announce it when I can. But

490
00:29:58,049 --> 00:30:01,979
regardless, we dealt with a CIA
drone from like the 1960s. That

491
00:30:01,979 --> 00:30:05,129
was the size of a mosquito.
Right? What was funny or a

492
00:30:05,129 --> 00:30:08,039
dragon fly? Excuse me. So what
was funny was that they're

493
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:10,649
profiling this thing in the
mainstream media now with the

494
00:30:10,649 --> 00:30:13,109
Air Force. And it's like, well,
wait a minute, guys, where have

495
00:30:13,109 --> 00:30:15,989
you been like they've had this
stuff for decades and decades.

496
00:30:16,199 --> 00:30:19,139
So anyway, I always get a kick
out of that, but the threat and

497
00:30:19,139 --> 00:30:23,399
I also punch the word potential,
and connect it to threat because

498
00:30:23,399 --> 00:30:25,469
we don't know. And you're
absolutely right. We shouldn't

499
00:30:25,469 --> 00:30:28,919
just blanket it. Luis, though.
Let me bounce it to you. Do you

500
00:30:28,919 --> 00:30:33,329
think that that threat
potential, that threat narrative

501
00:30:33,329 --> 00:30:36,299
that has been really kind of
prevalent through the message of

502
00:30:36,299 --> 00:30:40,019
Luis Elizondo, and Christopher
Mellon, and that entire push? Do

503
00:30:40,019 --> 00:30:42,929
you think that that is
ultimately what resonated in

504
00:30:42,929 --> 00:30:44,369
Washington more than all else?

505
00:30:44,460 --> 00:30:47,760
Luis Jimenez: Definitely. And
I'll tell you why I here's my

506
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,820
theory on it is since the day I
was born, which is August

507
00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:56,310
4 1980. So I'm 41 years old, I
have not known this country to

508
00:30:56,310 --> 00:31:02,160
not have a threat. When I was
really small, it was rocky

509
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,840
versus Drago, you know, it was
Russia and the United States,

510
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:09,840
then the Berlin Wall fell, and
we had no one to fight all of a

511
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,590
sudden Saddam Hussein shows up.
And even though we gave Saddam

512
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:16,920
Hussein gas to, you know, and
weapons to kill his own people,

513
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,970
and we, we propped them up
millions of different ways. We

514
00:31:20,970 --> 00:31:24,510
created Saddam Hussein,
essentially. But now he's a

515
00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:31,080
threat. And so now we're in the
first Gulf War. That was five,

516
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:37,350
six years, then we had 911. And
now it was terrorism is a

517
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:40,890
threat. And Saddam Hussein is a
threat and Afghanistan is a

518
00:31:40,890 --> 00:31:44,400
threat. And now I've been we've
been at war since I've been 21

519
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,620
years old, half my life an
active military campaign that

520
00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:54,630
has cost this country trillions
of dollars and millions of lives

521
00:31:54,660 --> 00:32:01,290
if you consider the other side.
It angers me, it boils my blood

522
00:32:01,380 --> 00:32:05,400
when they paint the word threat
on things it really really does.

523
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,910
I don't have a good taste for it
in my mouth, being the age that

524
00:32:08,910 --> 00:32:11,850
I am because every time they
sell me a threat, that means

525
00:32:11,850 --> 00:32:15,330
they're trying to get a new
something started it's usually a

526
00:32:15,330 --> 00:32:19,680
war of full fledged war. So when
I heard threat for the first

527
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:25,050
time I really hated it. hated
it. Stepping back now seeing

528
00:32:25,050 --> 00:32:30,750
where things are. I understand
why they did it. Because it

529
00:32:30,810 --> 00:32:35,640
immediately got some fires under
the asses of some really

530
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,970
important people that got the
ball rolling that got the

531
00:32:38,970 --> 00:32:42,600
funding for a tip they got Lou
Elizondo his position that got

532
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,690
the videos that we got, you
know, and and then we revealed

533
00:32:45,690 --> 00:32:47,970
that we've got this now UFO
secret program that's been there

534
00:32:47,970 --> 00:32:57,330
for we think at least what 1012
years john maybe longer. Um it's

535
00:32:57,330 --> 00:33:03,930
funny of the change name of the
program, from a tip to the UAP

536
00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:09,870
Task Force. I think they know
that that word is a trigger for

537
00:33:09,870 --> 00:33:17,850
a lot of my generation. And they
were wise to take it out. Um,

538
00:33:17,910 --> 00:33:22,560
that's my theory on it. But I
understand why they did it. I

539
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,880
don't think it's Is it a part of
the big phone home discussion?

540
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,860
It's a great question. I we
never mentioned once the word

541
00:33:31,860 --> 00:33:36,150
threat in the first big phone
home. It might come up in this

542
00:33:36,150 --> 00:33:38,700
one just because I think drones
are going to be a big part of

543
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:41,520
the discussion this we did the
for the big phone home before

544
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,580
the first Tyler rogue away
article. That's how I went rogue

545
00:33:44,580 --> 00:33:48,810
away or that article opened my
eyes to an issue that I had no

546
00:33:48,810 --> 00:33:52,740
clue about. Yeah, and I don't
think most Americans have one

547
00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:57,090
iota of clue. And I think that
article and and David Favre and

548
00:33:57,090 --> 00:34:00,510
Alex Dietrich, especially coming
out on 60 minutes, adding layers

549
00:34:00,510 --> 00:34:07,230
and nuance to this story. And
perspective was wonderful. But

550
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,430
yeah, I think it'll be brought
up. I think it's an important

551
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:15,300
part to discuss, but I don't
want to paint this phenomenon

552
00:34:15,330 --> 00:34:20,070
with a threat. If it was a
threat, we would know. He would

553
00:34:20,070 --> 00:34:23,430
know like this would have been
over a long time ago just

554
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:29,070
redirect in any big rockin space
to just plop boom done. No, no

555
00:34:29,070 --> 00:34:34,410
human issue. No, no, you know,
Art of War where, you know,

556
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:37,770
humans dig in like ticks and
they becomes too expensive for

557
00:34:37,770 --> 00:34:40,290
the aliens to stay here because
it's just the too much of a pain

558
00:34:40,290 --> 00:34:43,680
and they can end it all
tomorrow, man. If they're real,

559
00:34:43,710 --> 00:34:48,090
if they're actually here, if
that's what's happening. But

560
00:34:49,020 --> 00:34:52,140
yeah, I don't like painting.
Something that we haven't

561
00:34:52,140 --> 00:34:56,880
interacted with yet. The enemy.
Do you think that's a wise move?

562
00:34:56,940 --> 00:35:01,110
John Greenewald: You say that
the threat narrative potential

563
00:35:01,110 --> 00:35:03,390
resonated the most in
Washington. I don't disagree

564
00:35:03,390 --> 00:35:06,900
with that. What do you think
resonates the most with the

565
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:13,320
general public that will help
motivate them to get in involved

566
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,310
with the big phone home?

567
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,660
Luis Jimenez: curiosity?
curiosity? I think curiosity is

568
00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:21,900
the number one thing. And here's
the golden opportunity that our

569
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:24,960
government has. I mean, we talk
about this all the time, man.

570
00:35:26,190 --> 00:35:29,160
I'm not interested in the
process. I don't care how you

571
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,580
collected the data. I just want
to see the data. I just want to

572
00:35:32,580 --> 00:35:36,780
see it. I want to be able to go
Hey, make West explain this. And

573
00:35:36,780 --> 00:35:41,610
him go. I can't. That's what I
want to see. I want to see Neil

574
00:35:41,610 --> 00:35:47,010
deGrasse Tyson go, Oh, and I
want to see his brain melt on

575
00:35:47,010 --> 00:35:50,430
CNN when they give him something
that he can't explain. And I

576
00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:53,880
want to see the paradigm shift.
That's what I want. Like, I

577
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,630
don't care how we get to the to
the end result. I really don't

578
00:35:57,630 --> 00:36:00,960
maybe in 30 years, we fight we
finally get, you know, the full

579
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,180
video or the full whatever. But
um, yeah, I think it's

580
00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:09,870
curiosity, man. I think it's,
it's people want to know, and

581
00:36:09,870 --> 00:36:12,270
they and again, the government
has a golden opportunity if they

582
00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:15,300
give us just a little bit, a
little bit of truth on this.

583
00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:22,590
Okay, just a little bit. It buys
so much credit and runway for

584
00:36:22,590 --> 00:36:26,880
the government to approve pretty
much whatever you want. Like you

585
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,350
give us truth on UAP. I will let
you I will let you open any

586
00:36:31,350 --> 00:36:34,830
program you want government,
okay, you why you you wanna you

587
00:36:34,830 --> 00:36:38,130
want, I don't care. I don't
care, dude. Just give me some

588
00:36:38,130 --> 00:36:40,920
truth. And I think they're
starting to realize that I

589
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,390
really do like, these analytics
experts in our government aren't

590
00:36:45,390 --> 00:36:48,510
stupid man. They listen to our
phone calls, they look at our

591
00:36:48,510 --> 00:36:51,540
emails, they look at our
traffic, our web traffic and

592
00:36:51,540 --> 00:36:54,720
things that we look at. They
know they can see how excited

593
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:58,740
people get 160 Minutes interview
drops, or, you know, the New

594
00:36:58,740 --> 00:37:02,010
Yorker puts out an article or
Leslie Kane drops of knowledge

595
00:37:02,010 --> 00:37:05,040
like she does. People get
excited. And they and they and

596
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,560
they The first thing they do
john, they look to the

597
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,130
government for more What else
you got, man? Like what else he

598
00:37:11,130 --> 00:37:15,330
like, it's dry. What else do you
got? You know, and that's who we

599
00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:18,210
are with a lap dogs, man, we're
sitting here we're looking up at

600
00:37:18,210 --> 00:37:21,600
a table and we're waiting for
any scrap to fall on the floor.

601
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,890
So we can just gobble it up. And
the government knows this. And

602
00:37:25,890 --> 00:37:28,890
if they want more money for
whatever toys they want to play

603
00:37:28,890 --> 00:37:33,510
with, just give us a little more
truth. Anything, anything once a

604
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:37,230
year, though, and give it to us
in a serious way. Give it to us

605
00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:40,830
and a congressional format, you
know, a hearings format, give it

606
00:37:40,830 --> 00:37:42,900
to us when we get the title, you
know, I would love to see

607
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:45,630
congressional hearings, what I'd
like to see if we can get it

608
00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:49,800
like military day with like
flavor and Dietrich come and

609
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,520
tell Congress their story, then
you'd get scientists you know,

610
00:37:53,940 --> 00:37:56,820
to come in and and and
scientists who actually got to

611
00:37:56,820 --> 00:38:00,150
look at the data, okay, and then
tell their version of what

612
00:38:00,150 --> 00:38:02,820
they're looking at. So then now
we got a scientific perspective,

613
00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:06,300
and then we got this. And then
you can bring in whoever the

614
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:09,360
hell you want after that doesn't
really matter to me. But I think

615
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,270
it's got to be something short,
concise, to the point. So

616
00:38:12,270 --> 00:38:15,090
congressmen can say, Okay, cool.
We done here, because I gotta go

617
00:38:15,090 --> 00:38:17,430
back to my office and make some
phone calls because I got money

618
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:21,660
to raise, because that's 70% of
my job. You know? So like,

619
00:38:21,870 --> 00:38:24,840
that's, I think it's curiosity.
Man, curiosity is the thing

620
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,940
that's going to drive people to
pick up the phone, send an

621
00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:31,200
email, because people are
curious on both sides. Doesn't

622
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,470
matter, Republican, Democrat,
independent? You're curious man.

623
00:38:35,340 --> 00:38:38,160
John Greenewald: Michael, do you
agree curiosity will resonate

624
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,440
the most with the public? Is
there anything else? And how

625
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,560
would you reach those that are
maybe on the fence, my my

626
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,350
channel, I love the audience
that I have, because there's a

627
00:38:46,350 --> 00:38:48,570
lot of people that are going to
be right there. And they're

628
00:38:48,570 --> 00:38:52,050
going to call for you. And and I
know that for a fact. But what's

629
00:38:52,050 --> 00:38:54,510
also great about the audience
that I know, that I built here

630
00:38:54,510 --> 00:38:57,270
on YouTube, is that there's some
that aren't sure, and that they

631
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:59,520
may not pick up the phone
because, you know, they're not

632
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,260
as passionate as me or you, or
Luis or whomever that's ready to

633
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:07,950
just go. How would you reach
them? What would you say to

634
00:39:07,950 --> 00:39:11,700
those that that are kind of
curious. But they're they're not

635
00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:14,310
sure what the motivation is to
pick up the phone? What would

636
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:19,830
you tell them? That's such an
amazing question. No pressure.

637
00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:22,980
Yeah, no worries. No. Your
project hinges on your answer.

638
00:39:24,750 --> 00:39:27,390
Do we get normies to call
Congress for more? Yeah,

639
00:39:27,420 --> 00:39:30,210
Michael Mataluni: I mean, I'm
not I I actually do think the

640
00:39:30,210 --> 00:39:36,540
threat narrative works for that.
Is it ideal? No. Do I think that

641
00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:39,510
we should be pushing the threat
narrative when it comes to this

642
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:42,630
idea of extraterrestrial
intelligence? Absolutely not. I

643
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:44,970
don't, because I don't think
it's the fact I think it's a I

644
00:39:44,970 --> 00:39:49,050
think it's a silly argument. But
there are a lot of actual

645
00:39:49,050 --> 00:39:52,290
threats. There are a lot of real
threats about thing from things

646
00:39:52,290 --> 00:39:56,400
that are flying in the sky by
unknowns. And those are threats

647
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,540
that we should be pushing. So
when you have people Who are

648
00:40:00,540 --> 00:40:05,310
still on the fence about this?
And you know, go listen, go

649
00:40:05,310 --> 00:40:07,350
listen right now to the
singularity lab, the show we

650
00:40:07,350 --> 00:40:12,420
just did with David Hambling,
who is sharing what he knows he

651
00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:16,770
wrote a book called drone
swarms. how tiny has small

652
00:40:16,770 --> 00:40:21,690
drones will take over the world?
This is a real phenomenon. That

653
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:25,920
is without question. Right. I do
believe there are other

654
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,700
phenomenon that we can't explain
with drones. But I think

655
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:32,580
curiosity drives people for
that. I don't think it drives

656
00:40:32,610 --> 00:40:37,470
people who don't believe in in,
you know, potential Extra

657
00:40:37,470 --> 00:40:40,140
Terrestrial cover ups. I think
the thing that's going to drive

658
00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:44,640
those people is the threat
narrative surrounding drones.

659
00:40:44,670 --> 00:40:48,630
And what's what's coming?
Because it is very real. It is

660
00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:52,500
it is it Luis and I like after
the show, we're just sitting

661
00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:54,840
here to scratching our heads,
like almost speechless going,

662
00:40:55,500 --> 00:41:01,560
Oh, my God, I can't I don't even
I'm so shocked and shook by what

663
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,190
we just talked about, and
listened to and heard. Luckily,

664
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:08,100
we have a very fun show. So we
laugh a lot at ourselves, but we

665
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:11,940
take the subject matter very
seriously. But it's scary. And

666
00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:16,680
there are real things out there
that are that are very present

667
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,550
and very terrestrial, that we
need transparency on from the

668
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:23,100
government as well. So I believe
we have two camps here, I

669
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:27,750
believe we have the UFO UAP
camp, who significantly believes

670
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:30,090
that there is something very
real either extraterrestrial

671
00:41:30,090 --> 00:41:33,570
interdimensional that is here,
or maybe breakaway civilization,

672
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,900
future humans with whichever
hypothesis you want to put your

673
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,600
finger on or you know, pick. And
I think that is a very real

674
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:45,210
possibility that we should be
aware of. But in addition to

675
00:41:45,210 --> 00:41:51,000
that, there's this incredibly
real technological, terrestrial

676
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,020
problem that we're facing. And
so I think you get the rest of

677
00:41:55,020 --> 00:41:58,260
the people who have no interest
in UFOs, or think the silly

678
00:41:58,260 --> 00:42:01,560
topic. Those are, that's how you
get those people. And I think

679
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:02,400
you got to do both.

680
00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:06,060
John Greenewald: Michael
sticking with you, do you and

681
00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:08,820
this is going towards personal
beliefs. So you guys may not

682
00:42:08,820 --> 00:42:10,290
want to answer which is okay. I

683
00:42:10,290 --> 00:42:11,700
Michael Mataluni: love to
speculate on my personal

684
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:14,970
beliefs. But please know that I
will be speculating and using my

685
00:42:14,970 --> 00:42:16,440
personal beliefs. So go ahead,

686
00:42:16,590 --> 00:42:19,590
John Greenewald: go. No, that's
a good No. Good caveat. So when

687
00:42:19,590 --> 00:42:22,980
it comes to the objective here
on I know, you said that you

688
00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:27,180
don't have any expectations. So
with that being said, when it

689
00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:31,920
comes to the phenomena itself,
when it comes to the true root

690
00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:36,270
of whatever this cover up, is
covering up, whatever we may

691
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:39,060
ultimately get in a public
hearing. I have my doubts about

692
00:42:39,060 --> 00:42:42,780
that. If it's anything close to
a extraterrestrial connected

693
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:45,120
anything, I don't think that
would be in a public hearing.

694
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,450
But regardless on a personal
level. And Michael, we'll start

695
00:42:48,450 --> 00:42:52,410
with you. And then Luis, I'll
bring in Do you feel that at the

696
00:42:52,410 --> 00:42:55,590
heart of this, there is a
portion that is connected to

697
00:42:55,590 --> 00:42:57,420
extraterrestrials? Are you
convinced?

698
00:42:59,670 --> 00:43:04,110
Michael Mataluni: I'm not
absolutely convinced? No. I do

699
00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:09,450
believe it's very possible. And
my mind is wide open. You know,

700
00:43:09,450 --> 00:43:11,970
it's like the old adage, don't
you know, keep your mind open.

701
00:43:11,970 --> 00:43:16,200
But delay brains fall out.
That's where I'm at. The Tic Tac

702
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:20,850
is a flavors incident like that.
That's still to me. That's

703
00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:24,240
that's the most astounding. And
maybe it's something we don't

704
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:29,400
understand at all. Right? So
yeah, you know, we just watched

705
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,000
the Mirage men, we just reviewed
it for our show the other on

706
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,780
Wednesday on UCR. Check that
out, guys. But one of the things

707
00:43:36,780 --> 00:43:40,170
that, you know, that show or
that documentary really pointed

708
00:43:40,170 --> 00:43:44,520
out was the government's ability
to obfuscate and you know, the

709
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:50,520
potential for them, allowing
this alien threat narrative to

710
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:58,680
cover secret projects, secret
technology. So when you look at

711
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,400
it from that context, I don't
think it's healthy to be certain

712
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,340
in any particular way, because
you could be wrong, and you

713
00:44:05,340 --> 00:44:07,860
don't wanna be putting all your
eggs in one basket, that can be

714
00:44:07,860 --> 00:44:09,390
devastating for you. But we
always talked about this in the

715
00:44:09,390 --> 00:44:12,840
show don't, it's so important
not to invest your entire

716
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:19,290
identity on an outcome. Because
that leaves you vulnerable to

717
00:44:20,070 --> 00:44:23,490
bias. It leaves you vulnerable
to irrationality, it leaves you

718
00:44:23,490 --> 00:44:27,360
vulnerable to depression, when
you link your entire identity to

719
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,230
an outcome, so it's dangerous.
That's why I don't do that. Do I

720
00:44:31,230 --> 00:44:34,020
believe it's very possible there
is an extra terrestrial cover. I

721
00:44:34,020 --> 00:44:38,850
still do. Do I believe that?
It's a mix between the two?

722
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:45,210
Sure. It could it be 99%. us
tech and this threat narrative

723
00:44:45,210 --> 00:44:48,840
and obfuscation and point 01
percent Extra Terrestrial could

724
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,330
be? I don't know, I don't have
the answer to that question. But

725
00:44:51,330 --> 00:44:54,030
what I do know is we need
transparency. We need it from

726
00:44:54,030 --> 00:44:57,840
the government. And we did it
now and it doesn't matter what I

727
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,440
believe.

728
00:44:58,770 --> 00:45:01,200
John Greenewald: Yeah. Well,
that But no, but it does, you

729
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,900
know, because I always love to
get into people's passions and

730
00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:06,750
why they do what they do. And
Louise, I'm pulling you in next.

731
00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:09,210
But really quickly on what you
said a moment ago, I've tweeted

732
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:13,470
a couple times about this and
posted it on social media, I'm

733
00:45:13,470 --> 00:45:17,070
just saying tweet, because
whatever. But regardless on

734
00:45:17,070 --> 00:45:20,100
social media, and even in a
couple radio shows that I've

735
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:26,010
done, talking about the value,
the absolute hardcore value to

736
00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:29,760
the counter intelligence world,
inside the intelligence

737
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,080
community, when it comes to uaps
is absolute gold, it is massive,

738
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,800
the value is massive. Because
regardless of if there is a

739
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,920
small percentage, medium
percentage, whatever connected

740
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,120
to extraterrestrials, let's just
say, regardless, that can all be

741
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,710
used, even if it's 0%. That
extra terrestrial connection,

742
00:45:49,710 --> 00:45:54,030
the idea yeah, can be used. And
I don't want to go off on a

743
00:45:54,030 --> 00:45:56,610
tangent, I'll make another video
and not take your gentleman's

744
00:45:56,610 --> 00:46:00,630
time away of bantering about it.
But I did want to make a comment

745
00:46:00,630 --> 00:46:04,230
that you're you nailed it,
because there is such a counter

746
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:08,130
intelligence value to this
entire debate, whatever the

747
00:46:08,130 --> 00:46:13,590
conclusion is, the CIA effort
that has to be done to really

748
00:46:13,590 --> 00:46:19,860
talk about obfuscated ops god
I'm getting Thank you. Drake.

749
00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:20,310
Every time

750
00:46:20,310 --> 00:46:24,090
Luis Jimenez: Michael says it,
because he said about 14. Just

751
00:46:24,090 --> 00:46:28,620
today, yeah. He's it's his. It's
his big dollar. Where did my

752
00:46:28,620 --> 00:46:29,490
last week here?

753
00:46:30,690 --> 00:46:33,180
John Greenewald: What's funny,
yeah, anyway, but to muddy the

754
00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:36,360
waters, we'll just make it
easier. But but for them to do

755
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,180
that. They don't have to do a
whole lot of effort, you know.

756
00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:42,540
And so easy thing is how the
public plays a role, how the

757
00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:45,660
mainstream media plays a role,
all in this counter intelligence

758
00:46:45,660 --> 00:46:48,690
effort, which doesn't take a
whole lot of time, or energy.

759
00:46:48,690 --> 00:46:49,950
But anyway, yeah, well,

760
00:46:49,980 --> 00:46:51,810
Michael Mataluni: I just want to
say, yeah, there's one thing I

761
00:46:51,810 --> 00:46:53,730
want to say about that, because
we got in this whole big

762
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,630
Twitter, beef today over of over
this very issue, because we

763
00:46:57,630 --> 00:47:01,440
were, we were we had just
watched Mirage men or I had just

764
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,600
watched Mirage for the first
time. And we were reviewing it

765
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,960
on the unidentified celebrity
view on Wednesday. And we were

766
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,730
talking about Richard doty. And
then we're talking about

767
00:47:08,730 --> 00:47:11,640
counterintelligence. And then we
brought up Lou Elizondo, and we

768
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,580
were just talking these things
through, and some people got

769
00:47:14,580 --> 00:47:18,300
very upset that we were talking
about it not giving, you know,

770
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:21,300
Lou an opportunity to back up so
even we did we didn't accuse Lou

771
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:23,880
of anything. We didn't say we
were having the conversation, I

772
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,140
think it's important
conversation to have. But, you

773
00:47:28,140 --> 00:47:31,530
know, the idea was, Well, why
don't you Why don't you ask Lou

774
00:47:31,530 --> 00:47:35,550
if he's a disinformation agent?
And I'm like, dude, do you hear

775
00:47:35,550 --> 00:47:36,030
yourself?

776
00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:38,520
John Greenewald: Yeah, he'll
come out and say it. Like, what?

777
00:47:39,299 --> 00:47:41,069
Michael Mataluni: What What do
you even mean by that? Like,

778
00:47:41,069 --> 00:47:43,319
that doesn't make any sense.
Absolutely give somebody a

779
00:47:43,319 --> 00:47:45,569
chance to defend themselves,
give them a chance to tell them

780
00:47:45,629 --> 00:47:48,029
about their background, bring
him on, we do those things.

781
00:47:48,479 --> 00:47:51,149
Right. We have Luan all the
time, and we're happy to have

782
00:47:51,149 --> 00:47:53,849
him back. And we appreciate and
respect blue. And I don't think

783
00:47:53,849 --> 00:47:57,089
he's a different information
agent. But I don't know. Right?

784
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:00,839
I don't have that information. I
can't prove that. But when you

785
00:48:00,839 --> 00:48:02,969
have something, you know, when
you the idea of ask a

786
00:48:02,969 --> 00:48:05,999
disinformation agent, if they're
a distributor, it's just it's so

787
00:48:05,999 --> 00:48:07,769
mind boggling. You know,

788
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:10,320
John Greenewald: I there's a an
Luis, I want to bring you in.

789
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,460
But there is a apprehension by a
portion of those involved in

790
00:48:14,460 --> 00:48:17,310
this conversation, whether it be
on UFO, Twitter, or other social

791
00:48:17,310 --> 00:48:20,730
media, whatever, that if you do
say anything that may seem

792
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,840
remotely either insulting or
insinuating something, you don't

793
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,230
come after unity, you know, and
what we have to remember, and

794
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:30,030
this will get me in trouble.
I'll get hate mail from this.

795
00:48:30,270 --> 00:48:33,240
But we have to remember and I
like Lou as well. He's a counter

796
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:36,930
intelligence guy at his core.
And that's by his own word. And

797
00:48:36,930 --> 00:48:39,630
when you look at the debate that
we're having, and Michael,

798
00:48:39,630 --> 00:48:42,660
you've said it a couple times
about drones and that threat.

799
00:48:43,350 --> 00:48:46,020
That's exactly what Luis
Elizondo put on the paper to

800
00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:49,410
describe the FLIR, the gimbal
and the go fast. And even though

801
00:48:49,410 --> 00:48:52,110
I've asked him about that,
that's not anything I'm saying

802
00:48:52,110 --> 00:48:55,980
behind his back. I asked him on
my channel here in my interview,

803
00:48:56,610 --> 00:49:00,030
I'm with respect to him. I am
not sold on the answer that I

804
00:49:00,030 --> 00:49:05,370
got. But regardless, there is
another onionskin layer to all

805
00:49:05,370 --> 00:49:08,730
of this. And when I talk about
that, that that ci value that

806
00:49:08,730 --> 00:49:12,150
counter intelligence value to
all of this, to know that the

807
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:14,910
guy in the Pentagon was counter
intelligence that was heading

808
00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:17,910
this effort, if that's what he
was doing. There's something to

809
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:20,700
that, whether or not it's
anything nefarious, I'm not

810
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:24,900
insinuating that. It's something
to absolutely, keep in mind. So

811
00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:27,720
Louise, let me come back to you
to what we were talking about

812
00:49:28,380 --> 00:49:31,590
before and we kind of got a
little bit sidetracked. So

813
00:49:31,590 --> 00:49:35,010
whichever, in that conversation
that you want to comment on, by

814
00:49:35,010 --> 00:49:38,940
all means the floor is yours.
Um, well, I guess the first

815
00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:43,260
question was, you know, do I
have a belief system? Well, if

816
00:49:43,260 --> 00:49:46,440
you want to go there, so yeah,
what I had asked was do you have

817
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,930
pty? qurum on a personal level,

818
00:49:49,020 --> 00:49:51,270
Luis Jimenez: on a personal
level, on a personal level, I've

819
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:56,550
had a sighting. And so I always
it's very hard for me to

820
00:49:56,550 --> 00:49:59,850
compartmentalize that, but I
still try and do it as best I

821
00:49:59,850 --> 00:50:03,630
can. Even though I had a
sighting, it was very close. It

822
00:50:03,630 --> 00:50:07,500
was life changing. I wasn't the
only one who saw it. I had 1520

823
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:12,750
people that saw with me as well,
adults as well. Okay. Um, I

824
00:50:12,750 --> 00:50:15,120
still don't know, what I was
looking at could have been

825
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,920
military could have been a
multitude of things. And not

826
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,890
only that, it's just at this
point, it's a 37 year old

827
00:50:22,890 --> 00:50:29,220
memory, it's or not 3627 28 year
old memory. It happened a long

828
00:50:29,220 --> 00:50:33,690
time ago. So I can't, I can't
put my flag in the ground and

829
00:50:33,690 --> 00:50:36,960
go, they're real. They're here.
I've seen them. And I know,

830
00:50:37,230 --> 00:50:42,480
like, it's absurd for me to do
that. But I have a pretty good

831
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,100
idea. I think, you know, like,
at least I believe, but I can

832
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:54,360
never, here's the thing. This is
my, my standard, right is, can I

833
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:59,520
put this in front of a senator
and convince them to look into

834
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:04,080
this more to make this part of
their daily routine? And if the

835
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,700
answer's no, then I kick it to
the curb. And that's what I got

836
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:14,880
to do with my own personal
beliefs and bias and, and so I'm

837
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,720
gonna go with Michael, I don't
know. Like, I don't know, I

838
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:24,600
can't, I can't give you a solid
answer. 100% I lean, you know,

839
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:28,890
toward an extra terrestrial
possibility. But there's no

840
00:51:28,890 --> 00:51:31,830
smoking gun. There's no evidence
even though I have my own

841
00:51:31,830 --> 00:51:34,860
sighting, but I didn't see
aliens. And even if I did see

842
00:51:34,860 --> 00:51:38,040
beings, how do I know? They're
aliens? How do I know? They're

843
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,670
from another planet? How don't
like Sean Cahill told me he's

844
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:43,860
like, how does anybody know
anything? The only way you know

845
00:51:43,860 --> 00:51:46,740
is if you can follow the back to
where they came from. And nobody

846
00:51:46,740 --> 00:51:50,070
has done that. Nobody's followed
them back to where they came

847
00:51:50,070 --> 00:51:54,870
from. So nobody knows. Nobody
has a clue. So I'm open for it

848
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:58,530
to be anything. Um, and then
what was the second thing that

849
00:51:58,530 --> 00:52:00,720
we touched on there that we sort
of went on?

850
00:52:02,340 --> 00:52:04,800
John Greenewald: Yeah, well, the
disinformation.

851
00:52:05,460 --> 00:52:06,780
Luis Jimenez: I mean, well,
that's why I brought Lou

852
00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:09,990
Elizondo data on my show,
because I want to hear from his

853
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:12,270
father, which is a great
episode, by the way, know what I

854
00:52:12,270 --> 00:52:14,940
mean? I want to hear from his
dad, because I want to know what

855
00:52:14,940 --> 00:52:17,370
kind of man he raised. And we're
gonna do that version of the

856
00:52:17,370 --> 00:52:21,000
show again soon, hopefully.
Because it's very hard to get

857
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:28,320
lose dad, to where Lou lives,
and vice versa. So it's, um, it

858
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,380
was an enlightening episode,
because we got a picture into

859
00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:35,730
how this man was raised, and
what his father believes about

860
00:52:35,730 --> 00:52:42,510
this, this mission that he's on,
you know, most of the show was

861
00:52:42,510 --> 00:52:45,060
just learning about Cuba
learning about Lou's upbringing,

862
00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:49,560
how he was raised, who his
mother specifically and how he

863
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,280
was influenced by his mom and
how proud his father is of the

864
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,390
man that he's become. are we
calling is that is this

865
00:52:57,390 --> 00:53:01,230
information agent now to where
we're gonna go? You know, like

866
00:53:01,230 --> 00:53:04,290
if he was such a disinformation
agent, why would he do why would

867
00:53:04,290 --> 00:53:08,040
he put his family member on
camera for us like that? I think

868
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,120
there's a genuineness to him. I
believe Lou, and the reason why

869
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,690
I'm gonna go ahead and believe
him is because he hasn't shown

870
00:53:15,690 --> 00:53:20,520
me yet that he's a liar. There's
nothing that we've caught him on

871
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:26,250
and go whoa, wait a second guy.
What is this? You know, it's not

872
00:53:26,250 --> 00:53:30,000
like a Steven Greer, or even a
Bible is are when we look at the

873
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,880
story. We go, Wow, man, there's
a lot of holes here. There's a

874
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,490
lot of holes in Lou Elizondo
story. But there's also a lot of

875
00:53:35,490 --> 00:53:38,490
credibility. And there's a lot
of things he can't talk about.

876
00:53:38,730 --> 00:53:42,240
And there's a lot of things that
he obfuscates right

877
00:53:42,270 --> 00:53:44,100
John Greenewald: there,
rewinding word of the day,

878
00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:48,660
Luis Jimenez: right. But I'm
gonna give him the benefit of

879
00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:52,740
the doubt, because the man has
shown me as best he can, with

880
00:53:52,740 --> 00:53:57,030
every request that I give him,
that he's trying to be honest

881
00:53:57,030 --> 00:54:00,030
and open and forward with you.
So I'm gonna give the man the

882
00:54:00,030 --> 00:54:02,610
benefit of the doubt and say, I
think he's being honest with me,

883
00:54:02,610 --> 00:54:06,810
even with his military
background, even with all of the

884
00:54:06,810 --> 00:54:10,500
things I think he may have
gotten into, because if this is

885
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:15,210
a guy that interviewed and got
information from terrorists at

886
00:54:15,210 --> 00:54:18,900
Guantanamo Bay, now if we know
anything about Guantanamo Bay,

887
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:23,760
the first thing that clicks in
my brain waterboarding, illegal

888
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:30,330
prison, you know, these are
things that Castro did. Like I

889
00:54:30,330 --> 00:54:36,450
cannot fathom a Cuban immigrant
who fought whose fathers fought

890
00:54:36,450 --> 00:54:41,040
in a revolution would go to a
prison to torture somebody for

891
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,820
information. It's very difficult
for me to believe that or even

892
00:54:44,820 --> 00:54:51,900
think that way. I've got so much
respect for this guy. And but we

893
00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:56,820
have to ask these questions.
Like we have to be have the room

894
00:54:56,820 --> 00:55:01,350
to say, you know what, maybe
Louis tell The truth, but maybe

895
00:55:01,350 --> 00:55:06,210
he was pushed to tell that
truth. You know, maybe he was

896
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:10,890
coerced into telling that truth.
And maybe this is the, the line

897
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,520
that the Gov the God wants out
there. because like you said,

898
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:20,010
john, it's an invaluable
distraction to do a multitude of

899
00:55:20,010 --> 00:55:23,370
other things. Everybody's
yelling and screaming about UFOs

900
00:55:23,490 --> 00:55:25,920
they can secretly tell the
airforce Hey, get your shit

901
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,380
together because this drone
pumps gonna be it's gonna be a

902
00:55:28,380 --> 00:55:32,250
problem. Get your shit together
right now. And they're secretly

903
00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:35,280
putting all of their resources
into trying to figure out this

904
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,360
drone issue. And, and they're
they're, they're distracting

905
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,440
everybody with the UFO puppet,
you know, and maybe lose them. I

906
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:48,810
don't think Lou knowingly is
doing that. But a wouldn't shock

907
00:55:48,810 --> 00:55:53,460
me if he was pushed. And being
used in that way without him

908
00:55:53,460 --> 00:55:53,940
knowing.

909
00:55:54,540 --> 00:55:58,800
John Greenewald: I was. I was
gonna make a joke a couple

910
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,340
minutes ago that his dad that
you had on his show was actually

911
00:56:02,340 --> 00:56:07,590
a former CIA retired. But you
made it all serious. And I was

912
00:56:07,590 --> 00:56:11,790
like, I can't don't do that
joke. And I'm just glad it's a

913
00:56:11,790 --> 00:56:15,240
joke as if it's true. What a
baby he was he nothing has ever

914
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:16,470
wanted seem so you never

915
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:18,780
Luis Jimenez: know meetings
never know. He was having

916
00:56:18,780 --> 00:56:22,800
meetings with US government
officials and planning to go

917
00:56:22,830 --> 00:56:26,730
back to Cuba and attack Cuba. He
was talking to the CIA, without

918
00:56:26,730 --> 00:56:30,210
a doubt his father. So he has
those roots. He has those

919
00:56:30,210 --> 00:56:34,500
intelligence routes. I just I
based off of the conversations

920
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:38,310
that I've had. I don't feel that
those are the men that I was

921
00:56:38,310 --> 00:56:40,650
presented with short, right. You
know if that makes sense.

922
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,020
John Greenewald: Yeah, no, no,
absolutely. And that that leads

923
00:56:43,020 --> 00:56:47,550
into if you guys are okay with
five, 510 more minutes, and I

924
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,090
won't put you in a house that
dark time is all your time.

925
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,450
Right. Appreciate that. And even
though that light hearted

926
00:56:54,450 --> 00:56:57,960
comment on my side, kind of
leads into a very serious one,

927
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,410
which I'd love to get both of
your reactions to and Luis,

928
00:57:01,410 --> 00:57:04,560
we'll start with you. Let me
preface it by saying I want

929
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,410
everybody who's watching this
video right now to take part in

930
00:57:07,410 --> 00:57:11,520
the big phone home to write. So
let me say that up front. I

931
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,670
think it is a awesome effort.
That's why I wanted to bring you

932
00:57:14,670 --> 00:57:18,720
guys on and make sure that I
encourage everybody to do it.

933
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,170
But the reason why I wanted to
say that for this particular

934
00:57:22,170 --> 00:57:25,620
question is I don't want to
deter anybody. But it's a very

935
00:57:25,620 --> 00:57:29,370
important question that I'd like
your reactions to. And that is

936
00:57:29,370 --> 00:57:32,970
for decades upon decades with
ample evidence there is a cover

937
00:57:32,970 --> 00:57:36,000
up here with cover up of what
who knows, but a cover up right?

938
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,770
We can all comfortably say that
with evidence that is

939
00:57:40,770 --> 00:57:43,830
orchestrated by the government
by the intelligence community.

940
00:57:43,860 --> 00:57:48,060
It's one big gigantic house
that's doing this. We are now

941
00:57:48,060 --> 00:57:51,600
demanding answers from that big
gigantic house that has misled

942
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,740
us for decades upon decades upon
decades. So Luis, I'll start

943
00:57:55,740 --> 00:58:00,390
with you. If they were to come
out with something, whether it

944
00:58:00,390 --> 00:58:03,810
be there's nothing to the topic,
we looked into it, it's

945
00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:08,190
classified tech or whatever they
want to say? Or if they say,

946
00:58:08,190 --> 00:58:09,960
look, there's really something
to this, we're going to be

947
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,920
investigating this for decades
to come. Regardless of what that

948
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,110
answer is, how can we trust it?

949
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,420
Luis Jimenez: We can't. We
can't. That's why we need

950
00:58:21,420 --> 00:58:25,170
bequests. That's why we need
john Greenwald. You know, like

951
00:58:25,170 --> 00:58:27,900
that's why we need to have the
conversations and think of every

952
00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:30,900
single angle of this information
that's coming our way. That's

953
00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:33,780
why we need to dissect every
video dissect every paper

954
00:58:33,780 --> 00:58:38,280
dissect everything as much as we
can. You know, I rely a lot on

955
00:58:38,310 --> 00:58:41,100
the great investigators out
there. You know, we do shows

956
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:43,710
about a days a week, we can't we
have full time jobs as well.

957
00:58:44,460 --> 00:58:47,070
This is not it, we'd love to
make it one day where we can sit

958
00:58:47,070 --> 00:58:52,590
here and read. But you know,
files and papers and and do like

959
00:58:52,590 --> 00:58:56,460
actual research, but which is a
commentary show. You know, we

960
00:58:56,460 --> 00:59:00,270
hear the news, we talk about it,
we discuss it, we figure out

961
00:59:00,270 --> 00:59:03,630
ways how can we use it to maybe
take it to a senator, it gets

962
00:59:03,630 --> 00:59:07,020
some more data, but we can never
trust it. But that's what we

963
00:59:07,020 --> 00:59:10,290
have. That's what we have right
now. And I think part of getting

964
00:59:10,290 --> 00:59:13,770
the conversation going getting
congressional hearings, and

965
00:59:13,770 --> 00:59:18,300
getting say a ua PTF report
every single year is we could

966
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:22,170
also start to lobby Congress to
start giving some scientific

967
00:59:22,170 --> 00:59:27,420
grants public grants, so we can
give Harvard more money we can

968
00:59:27,420 --> 00:59:34,590
give the you know, the ace, the
GALILEO produkter No, I was

969
00:59:34,590 --> 00:59:38,430
gonna well, SETI, you know, Seth
shostack, I don't think is on

970
00:59:38,430 --> 00:59:41,520
the level of what we wanted to
really look at. But I was

971
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:46,560
thinking of the SEO right now.
So institutions of learning or

972
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:52,110
institutions were higher level
thinkers, PhDs, philosophers are

973
00:59:52,110 --> 00:59:55,410
coming together and give them
the grants instead of giving a

974
00:59:55,410 --> 00:59:59,430
$20 million grant to a tip.
Let's give a $20 million grant

975
00:59:59,430 --> 01:00:03,300
to the SEC. You, and let's start
collecting this data ourselves.

976
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,110
So that way, we don't have to
rely on the government. But what

977
01:00:07,110 --> 01:00:10,980
would be cool. And I think,
again, another golden

978
01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:14,970
opportunity for our government,
and lawmakers to really think

979
01:00:14,970 --> 01:00:19,770
about and contemplate is, hey,
we can give Harvard this you say

980
01:00:19,770 --> 01:00:25,350
$100 million grant to study this
for the next four years. Um,

981
01:00:25,380 --> 01:00:29,550
they get the instruments, they
get all everything set up. And

982
01:00:30,420 --> 01:00:35,040
they collect data, and whatever
data they collect every year,

983
01:00:35,340 --> 01:00:39,660
the government and Harvard could
come together and compare notes

984
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:43,200
and say, Okay, here's where the
data conflicts, here's where it

985
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:47,670
meets, let's let's present this
to the public. And then let's

986
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:50,070
see where they want to go from
there. Or let's see where the

987
01:00:50,070 --> 01:00:54,030
data takes us really is where it
should go from there. But this

988
01:00:54,030 --> 01:00:57,510
idea that hey, look, we're
willing to collect the data

989
01:00:57,510 --> 01:01:02,700
ourselves if you give us the the
opportunity and the budget to do

990
01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:06,390
so. And then we'll also at the
same time, we'll give you guys

991
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:12,390
the budget to because we think
that the the UA PTF, I

992
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:15,270
personally would love for them
to have $100 million budget

993
01:01:15,330 --> 01:01:20,190
every year, every year, give
them a big budget. But with that

994
01:01:20,190 --> 01:01:25,050
budget, we want a report either
every six months or every year

995
01:01:25,050 --> 01:01:29,310
at the very least. And we just
want some transparency, we want

996
01:01:29,310 --> 01:01:32,370
an open discussion, we want
scientists to be able to safely

997
01:01:32,370 --> 01:01:36,330
talk about this. The The goal of
this is to D stigmatize

998
01:01:36,750 --> 01:01:39,780
congressional hearings are
great, but really it's to D

999
01:01:39,780 --> 01:01:43,650
stigmatize the conversation for
everybody. So we can start

1000
01:01:43,650 --> 01:01:48,060
moving forward on what solutions
can we actually start talking

1001
01:01:48,060 --> 01:01:51,930
about like, we we need to
scientifically measure these

1002
01:01:51,930 --> 01:01:57,570
things we need to have 50 you
know, 500, more Avi loves would

1003
01:01:57,570 --> 01:02:01,650
be great. You know, we need more
than one we we need Avi low res

1004
01:02:01,650 --> 01:02:05,130
what it might go last night,
Jacqueline 11 5 million, which

1005
01:02:05,130 --> 01:02:09,540
is first ranty. 2 million almost
straight, that dude needs at 90

1006
01:02:09,540 --> 01:02:13,710
million to launch the kind of
study he wants, he needs more

1007
01:02:13,710 --> 01:02:16,230
money. And so that's where I
think the government comes in,

1008
01:02:16,530 --> 01:02:19,290
just as long as there's no
strings attached to that money

1009
01:02:19,290 --> 01:02:22,230
other than, hey, just compare
the data you guys get to keep

1010
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:25,620
it, it's yours. So public,
anybody could come and open

1011
01:02:25,620 --> 01:02:29,220
source it and look at it and
share it. But just bring it to

1012
01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:31,890
this meeting with us. And let's
compare notes. And let's see

1013
01:02:31,890 --> 01:02:33,840
what we could pull from the
government. Let's see if there's

1014
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,800
any other data points, or videos
or radar tracking or anything

1015
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,080
that we can say, Oh, look at
this, check this out public

1016
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,020
level we got from them, you
know, and now it's no longer

1017
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:49,410
please, please give us please,
government please. Like, just

1018
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,750
give us the tools to be
successful. And let us do the

1019
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:53,070
work for you. That's all.

1020
01:02:53,819 --> 01:02:55,889
John Greenewald: Sadly, I think
it would be a matter of time, if

1021
01:02:55,889 --> 01:02:58,649
some of those government funds
went to a private corporation or

1022
01:02:58,649 --> 01:03:01,349
scientists for the conspiracy
theories to start. I'm not

1023
01:03:01,349 --> 01:03:04,829
saying that I would, I would
want to accentuate them. But I'm

1024
01:03:04,829 --> 01:03:08,309
saying that is the you know, the
sad part of part of this is

1025
01:03:08,489 --> 01:03:12,419
anytime even just the money of
government going into anything

1026
01:03:12,419 --> 01:03:16,799
or funding something on a public
or private level, like a

1027
01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:20,879
Harvard, you know, comes with,
with baggage, sadly. So Michael,

1028
01:03:21,089 --> 01:03:24,479
one of the last questions here,
then the same to you, how do we

1029
01:03:24,479 --> 01:03:29,009
trust? If if we get those
hearings, or we get more reports

1030
01:03:29,009 --> 01:03:33,239
or whatever it may be? How do we
feel comfortable to say Okay,

1031
01:03:33,239 --> 01:03:35,639
now we're starting to see the
truth?

1032
01:03:37,050 --> 01:03:39,330
Michael Mataluni: That's such a
great question. And the answer

1033
01:03:39,330 --> 01:03:42,810
is and I'm going to piggyback on
a couple things Louis said here

1034
01:03:42,810 --> 01:03:44,700
cuz I think they're really
important and worth

1035
01:03:44,730 --> 01:03:49,050
accentuating. Number one is we
don't write we can't trust the

1036
01:03:49,050 --> 01:03:51,450
government, we know that it's
and then we can ask the

1037
01:03:51,450 --> 01:03:53,400
government if we can trust them.
And they'll tell us Yes. And

1038
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,850
we'll know the answer's no. So
what we've got to do is exactly

1039
01:03:56,850 --> 01:03:59,640
what Avi Lowe is doing exactly
what Luis is talking about. Now,

1040
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,900
I would argue that I would. And
this is Abby lobes argument he

1041
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:06,870
argues that he doesn't want to
even to look at the government

1042
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:11,340
data because he wants to be
free. He wants the freedom to

1043
01:04:11,340 --> 01:04:14,160
look wherever he wants to look,
he wants to freedom not to

1044
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,280
report back to them. He wants
the freedom to gather the data

1045
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,190
and report it as he sees fit.
And I completely agree with

1046
01:04:20,190 --> 01:04:25,200
that. I wish the government was
trustworthy enough for us to

1047
01:04:25,230 --> 01:04:28,440
partner with them in this but I
think you have to completely

1048
01:04:29,550 --> 01:04:34,230
pull this out of the military
industrial complex for us to get

1049
01:04:34,260 --> 01:04:39,660
the actual truth. You know, and
whatever that is, and I believe

1050
01:04:40,170 --> 01:04:43,740
Abby and I talked about this
several months ago on the

1051
01:04:43,740 --> 01:04:49,140
debrief, actually. And we were
talking about how science so

1052
01:04:49,140 --> 01:04:52,440
often a scientist will come up
with a hypothesis in academia,

1053
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:57,030
they'll test it, the wait for
peer review, and eventually the

1054
01:04:57,030 --> 01:04:59,460
public might see that data
everything that's a mistake, he

1055
01:04:59,460 --> 01:05:02,370
thinks process of science should
be transparent. He thinks the

1056
01:05:02,370 --> 01:05:06,000
data should be reported
throughout, regardless of what

1057
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,460
the results are just put it out
there and make sure it's

1058
01:05:08,460 --> 01:05:10,410
transparent. And I think that's
what he's going to do with the

1059
01:05:10,410 --> 01:05:12,450
GALILEO project. I hope that's
what he's going to do with the

1060
01:05:12,450 --> 01:05:15,600
GALILEO project, because it
sounded like he was sincere

1061
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,560
about that when we spoke about
this almost a year ago. So I

1062
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:23,130
think that's the key. It's, we
can't trust the government. But

1063
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,980
the reason that we're doing the
big phone home too, and the

1064
01:05:25,980 --> 01:05:29,280
reason we'll continue to do the
big phone home, it's a game of

1065
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,640
chess, we're looking to D
stigmatize this topic. And if

1066
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,910
you can have public
congressional hearings, with

1067
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:38,610
this topic, I don't expect
anything from the government

1068
01:05:38,610 --> 01:05:42,960
from these hearings. What I hope
and believe it will do is it

1069
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:47,670
will impress upon the majority
of people in this country that

1070
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:50,250
this is a serious topic that
should be taken seriously. Once

1071
01:05:50,250 --> 01:05:54,090
we have that, then we can get
your money, Abbi, because that's

1072
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:58,050
the key here. public approval,
public opinion, public support.

1073
01:05:58,260 --> 01:06:02,130
Luis brought up marijuana
earlier, marijuana took me 20

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01:06:02,130 --> 01:06:06,000
years, 25 years to get legalized
when and what happened? And why?

1075
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,630
Because of public support. So
the big fan only

1076
01:06:09,630 --> 01:06:13,020
Luis Jimenez: that money, like
they saw how much my state saw

1077
01:06:13,020 --> 01:06:17,250
how much money was in it. And
it's, yes, there's a lot of

1078
01:06:17,250 --> 01:06:18,600
money in studying this, I think.

1079
01:06:19,140 --> 01:06:20,580
Michael Mataluni: I don't know,
I don't know, we can have that

1080
01:06:20,610 --> 01:06:25,020
we can have that debate. But and
come over to the unidentified

1081
01:06:25,020 --> 01:06:26,670
slavery review and the
singularity lab, and you'll hear

1082
01:06:26,670 --> 01:06:30,120
us have these debates. But I
think you know, I think the

1083
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:35,370
bottom line is, we need the big
fund home to the goal is to get

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01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,520
public hearing so that we can de
stigmatize this topic in the

1085
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:42,420
mind of the American people.
Once we accomplish that, then we

1086
01:06:42,420 --> 01:06:47,670
continue to focus on things like
the GALILEO project with Avi

1087
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:51,120
Loeb and the SEIU and we start
funding those things so that we

1088
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:55,380
can sidestep the military
industrial complex in the USG

1089
01:06:55,650 --> 01:06:58,770
and deliver the data directly to
the people and that's the goal

1090
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,120
of the big phone home.

1091
01:07:00,540 --> 01:07:02,910
John Greenewald: Awesome. And
Louise, I want to give you the

1092
01:07:02,940 --> 01:07:07,230
last word here, obviously thank
you both for your time. But just

1093
01:07:07,230 --> 01:07:11,550
in the closing minute here two
minutes. Speak to everybody

1094
01:07:11,550 --> 01:07:16,470
watching what what do you want
to say to them as your closing

1095
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:19,830
words, to motivate them to
either pick up the phone or on

1096
01:07:19,830 --> 01:07:24,000
the website they can write an
email or letter or send a tweet

1097
01:07:25,380 --> 01:07:29,580
you know what what is it that
you would say to them and the

1098
01:07:29,580 --> 01:07:30,180
floor is yours.

1099
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,440
Luis Jimenez: It's looking to
maritime you know, it's gut

1100
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,720
check time. If you want more
data if you want more

1101
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,810
transparency, if you want more
discussion, if you want more

1102
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,650
things like congressional
hearings, you want to de

1103
01:07:43,650 --> 01:07:46,440
stigmatize this topic. You want
more Alex Dietrich's to come

1104
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,110
out, you want more David framers
to come forward, you want more

1105
01:07:49,710 --> 01:07:53,520
witnesses, you want more radar,
you want more data. You want

1106
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:57,510
more science, join us make a
phone call, send an email, write

1107
01:07:57,510 --> 01:08:02,130
a tweet, you would be shocked
how far it goes. Join us, either

1108
01:08:02,130 --> 01:08:05,640
one or all three days, you know,
we're gonna have a focus on the

1109
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:09,210
first day for amateurs.
experiencers the ladies, we're

1110
01:08:09,210 --> 01:08:13,350
gonna have a ladies our Canadian
reporters in, I'll be there for

1111
01:08:13,350 --> 01:08:17,250
today, john Greenwald will be
there. I'm in the ladies our Oh,

1112
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:24,210
there you go. That's funny, I
like it. And then the second

1113
01:08:24,210 --> 01:08:32,070
day, we were thinking about, you
know, journalists, scientists,

1114
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:35,160
particularly, is what we're
going to be focusing on the

1115
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,010
second day, we've got Avi Loeb
and the GALILEO members of the

1116
01:08:38,010 --> 01:08:41,460
GALILEO project, we're gonna
have rich Hoffman, Simon reached

1117
01:08:41,460 --> 01:08:43,620
out to him but he agreed a while
ago, we're gonna have rich

1118
01:08:43,620 --> 01:08:46,860
Hoffman, from the SEO and
others, SEIU members, and we're

1119
01:08:46,860 --> 01:08:49,590
gonna focus on science,
discussion of the UAP on the

1120
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:51,840
second day, and then on the
third day is going to be

1121
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,290
veterans and current military
members. So we're going to try

1122
01:08:55,290 --> 01:08:59,310
and cover all three gamuts of
this discussion. So nobody's

1123
01:08:59,310 --> 01:09:02,880
left out. Nobody feels left out
in the dark, we're going to have

1124
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,360
fans interact, you're going to
be able to call and share with

1125
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:10,020
us your activism efforts in the
last hour of every day. There's

1126
01:09:10,020 --> 01:09:12,420
going to be a lot of ways that
we're all going to be able to

1127
01:09:12,420 --> 01:09:15,630
get together and tweet at
senators and get their attention

1128
01:09:15,810 --> 01:09:19,260
and your you know, your help you
guys can possibly help us get

1129
01:09:19,260 --> 01:09:23,280
guests on and and and put some
fire under the feet. You know,

1130
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,970
if I hadn't Senator Rubio in
front of me, my question to him

1131
01:09:26,970 --> 01:09:28,560
would be what would
congressional hearings look

1132
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,170
like? How do you get the ball
rolling on it? Who would you

1133
01:09:31,170 --> 01:09:34,110
talk to first things like that?
Like, these aren't questions

1134
01:09:34,110 --> 01:09:37,320
that TMZ are asking, you know,
like, these are questions that I

1135
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,440
would like answers to even if he
gives me a political flub

1136
01:09:40,440 --> 01:09:44,850
answer, but the only way we do
it is if we come together on

1137
01:09:44,850 --> 01:09:51,000
these three days and just try to
put in an effort just try and

1138
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,060
and it doesn't have to be a lot
I mean this we've got options

1139
01:09:54,060 --> 01:09:58,680
where you can sit down for hours
and really dive deep into into

1140
01:09:58,770 --> 01:10:01,770
the contacting representative Or
it could take you as little as

1141
01:10:01,770 --> 01:10:04,440
five minutes or two minutes or
three minutes, whatever it's

1142
01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:07,740
going to end up being. But But
the point is, is if you're

1143
01:10:07,740 --> 01:10:11,850
interested, if you're listening
to this conversation, you're

1144
01:10:11,850 --> 01:10:15,390
curious you have to be, it's the
only reason you're here. If

1145
01:10:15,390 --> 01:10:19,080
you're curious, pick up the
phone with us September 3, or

1146
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,720
fourth, fifth and six. And
really, honestly, you could do

1147
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,080
it anytime you want. The big
phone home is not a date, it's a

1148
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:29,970
state of mind. You know, if you
want change, you have to, you

1149
01:10:29,970 --> 01:10:33,960
have to ask for it. So I hope
that motivates you.

1150
01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:37,770
John Greenewald: That's awesome.
It's a very, very well said, and

1151
01:10:37,770 --> 01:10:40,620
to both of you, thank you both
very, very much for taking your

1152
01:10:40,620 --> 01:10:44,940
time. I do. I'll repeat it,
encourage everybody that's

1153
01:10:44,940 --> 01:10:48,270
watching this take part in the
big phone home to September 4,

1154
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:51,510
fifth, and six, the address is
on your screen if you're

1155
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:54,270
watching on YouTube. And if
you're listening on the podcast,

1156
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:59,760
just go to the big phone
home.com. And in the podcast

1157
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,030
description in the YouTube
description, there will be links

1158
01:11:03,030 --> 01:11:06,720
to all of Louise's channels,
social media, Michael's channel,

1159
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,260
and social media. And I highly
recommend these two are a lot of

1160
01:11:10,260 --> 01:11:15,270
fun to be on their side of the
interview. So it was a lot of

1161
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:19,140
fun for me this time to switch
roles, I had a fun opportunity

1162
01:11:19,140 --> 01:11:23,880
to be on both of your shows here
in the last month or so at

1163
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,390
different times and had a blast,
you guys both asked great

1164
01:11:27,390 --> 01:11:30,720
questions, and you have a great
balance between having fun and

1165
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,740
asking great questions. So well
done to both of you. And I wish

1166
01:11:34,740 --> 01:11:37,650
you all the best with this. And
however I can help, definitely

1167
01:11:37,650 --> 01:11:40,920
let me know. So thank you guys.
So much. One

1168
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:42,930
Luis Jimenez: other quick thing,
if I'm not sure when you're

1169
01:11:42,930 --> 01:11:45,360
going to post this interview,
but if you go to the website,

1170
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,150
and these buttons aren't
working, we should have all of

1171
01:11:48,150 --> 01:11:52,260
these buttons and all of these
systems in place. By August, I'm

1172
01:11:52,260 --> 01:11:55,800
gonna say just 12 just to give
us an extra little bit extra

1173
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,500
buffer. You know, the website
right now it's just the

1174
01:11:58,500 --> 01:12:01,590
skeleton. But by the 12th week,
all of this stuff should be

1175
01:12:01,590 --> 01:12:04,260
implemented in working maybe
even sooner. But again, I'm just

1176
01:12:04,260 --> 01:12:06,750
saying the 12th just to give
ourselves a buffer, but the

1177
01:12:06,750 --> 01:12:09,810
websites up just so you guys can
get an idea of who's running it

1178
01:12:09,810 --> 01:12:12,540
who's going to be in it's going
to be updated constantly. So

1179
01:12:12,540 --> 01:12:14,460
just know that about the
website. But if you have any

1180
01:12:14,460 --> 01:12:17,670
questions, don't hesitate to
reach out to us either through

1181
01:12:17,850 --> 01:12:22,170
email, which is the big phone
home@gmail.com. Or you can reach

1182
01:12:22,170 --> 01:12:25,230
out through us on our show, you
can watch our show and chat to

1183
01:12:25,230 --> 01:12:27,750
us there because we're live
every single day Monday through

1184
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:30,900
Friday. So yeah, that's it. Very
good. Well,

1185
01:12:30,900 --> 01:12:32,610
John Greenewald: thank you for
that. And thank you all for

1186
01:12:32,610 --> 01:12:36,090
listening and watching, we'll
make sure that I get again, all

1187
01:12:36,090 --> 01:12:38,100
of your social media links,
because I'm sure you would

1188
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:41,010
encourage them to follow there
as well and all of the updates

1189
01:12:41,010 --> 01:12:44,310
when the website changes will be
posted there as well. But thank

1190
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:48,030
you guys a lot for your time
today. Thank you so much an

1191
01:12:48,060 --> 01:12:51,360
absolute honor and pleasure to
be here. I appreciate that. And

1192
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,700
thank you all for listening and
watching. This is John

1193
01:12:53,700 --> 01:12:56,100
Greenewald Jr signing off, and
we'll see you next time.