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John Greenewald: Since December
of 2017, we have all been told a

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story.

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A story about a $22 million
secret Pentagon UFO study. And

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the man who ran it. But now,
nearly four years later, a new

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book has turned much of this
story upside down. According to

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this book, those original
stories were all wrong. And what

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we thought we knew is not the
case. This new book, according

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to page 160, anyway, aims to
simply correct the record, we

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found a lot. But doesn't mean
should we dismiss the old claims

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and make room for the new ones?
Although not all of the original

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claims are being challenged,
which do we choose to believe?

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And which do we choose not to
believe? This is the story about

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why for the past nearly four
years, the saga that has

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involved a tip, Asa UFOs, a
ranch in Utah, infested by the

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paranormal, and multiple former
government personnel is still

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riddled with confusion and
lingering questions, even with

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this new book that aims to
correct the record. Stay tuned,

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you're about to journey inside
the black vault.

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That's right, everybody. As
always, thank you so much for

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tuning in and making this your
podcast or your live stream of

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choice. I'm your host, John
Greenwald, Jr, founder and

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creator of the black vault.com.
And I know that on this channel,

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I've been a little bit quiet
lately. For that I do apologize,

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work has been a little bit
crazy. And sadly, that does have

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to take precedence over what I
love doing. And that is creating

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these videos and these types of
presentations for all of you.

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Now, for those who aren't aware,
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get research like this done, it
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digging into some of this stuff.
And some of those FOIA requests

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support, awesome, thank you for
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about it, everything is still
free. But the biggest help that

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you can give is spreading the
word. Now today, what I'm going

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to be going over is something
that has been a hot topic in the

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UFO world or on Twitter as some
like to call it hashtag UFO

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Twitter. And that is the new
book skinwalkers at the

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Pentagon. Now I want to show you
guys this because this is a copy

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that I purchased, I had posted
on social media that I recommend

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if you guys are interested,
support the authors, there may

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be some stuff that I go over
today where you may question the

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author's that's healthy, I hope
that I don't offend anybody by

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questioning some of the
information. But in the same

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respect, I support published
authors. And so I've seen a lot

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of people really start scanning
and taking pictures and posting

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things on social media that
includes full chapters and stuff

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like that. I don't support that
what I do support are taking

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quotes, which is what I'm going
to do. And you may see some some

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pages from the book, just know
all of those pages are on the

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Amazon free preview. So I am not
showing you guys anything you

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can't see for free on Amazon's
free preview. But again, I want

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to at least plug that ahead of
time that I do recommend buying

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the book if you want to know the
full story. That's the only way

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you're going to get it. You're
not going to get it for me

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because I don't go over
everything. And you're not going

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to see it on social media plus,
it's not fair. So I do want to

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give my show of support for
those offers. Because what they

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have done, and this is what I
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essentially bring one man
forward that has yet to come

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forward since December or
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since this whole a tip story
broke, now, we didn't know about

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OS app until a few months
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this was the man Dr. James lick,
cat ski that ran a nother

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program, not a tip, but OS app.
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Agency, he has been Mumme, up
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this book came out. So that to
me is the biggest revelation

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from this book, because now
we're getting somebody side that

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we have never heard before. But
in that process, there has been

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massive confusion that has
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three, four years since since
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broke political broke the a tip
story. But this doesn't help in

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the sense to clear up all of
that confusion. I'm not blaming

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the book or the authors, but
rather, I'm showing you guys,

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everything is not cleared up as
some want us to believe there

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are still massive, massive
amounts of confusion with all of

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this. But then on top of that,
there are still many questions

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that have yet to be answered. So
let me go ahead and bring up the

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presentation that I want to do
for you guys. And this will go

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over why that confusion
continues to rain when it comes

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to OS app and a tip and why
questions continue to linger

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about OS app and a tip, because
I see differing viewpoints here

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that some want us to believe
everything is transparent and

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has been out there for years.
There's just lazy people out

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there that don't want to look at
the facts. Well, I'm here to

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tell you, I don't consider
myself lazy. I'm a lot of

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things, as some people will tell
you, sadly, lazy is not one of

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them, I'd love to put my feet up
and, and not really do anything.

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But rather, I dig in. And I
follow as much as I can about

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all of this. And there is a lot
of it. So what I want to show

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you guys today is why that
confusion reigns, and the

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questions continue to linger. So
let me go ahead and get my

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proper PowerPoint presentation
here. Give me one second. Now

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before I dig into some of that
stuff, I want to tell you guys a

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little bit about me personally
on how I approach research, I

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would say the criticism that I
get, I love the praise, but I

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also love the criticism, because
it helps me become better. But

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one point of criticism that some
people don't like me over is

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what they may call the minutiae
of the stories, that they feel

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that I nitpick that I go too far
into trying to pick apart what

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people say or what people do,
or, you know, whatever it might

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be. And for me the way that I
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and why I disagree with that
criticism. And I want to kind of

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give you guys a little bit of a
visual representation on why I

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do what I do, but how I do what
I do. And that is why the

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minutiae matters. Now I look
into every topic, like a puzzle,

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that's how I visualize it in my
mind, for 25 years, I've run the

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blackbolt. That's what I do.
There are 1000s, sometimes 10s

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of 1000s of pieces of that
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to create a picture. Now some
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this is kind of my, I would say
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and you'll see where I do get
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they're cool with the outer
layers, right there. They're

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cool putting the puzzle
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there's trees there, there's
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back here. That's all that
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that they have the full picture
because well what's in the

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middle here, you know, grass,
maybe another building, who

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really cares, we have enough of
the picture to believe that this

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is an outdoor scene. And that's
how they approach research.

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Well, I'm different. I've got to
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when you do, and you put every
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together, another one usually
emerges a full different

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perspective of what you thought
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at the outer layer. It's
different. And those pieces of

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the puzzle, the center, the
minutiae, the little details,

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when you start picking apart all
of the stories and how everybody

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talks about this or that when
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times and arguably most of the
time, you get a completely

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different picture as what you
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everything you think one thing
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something completely different.
That's how I've always

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approached research. And that is
what the black vault is all

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about. Now credit to this
amazing artist, oh leg shoe ply

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IQ I probably have that
pronounced incorrectly. Google

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him. He's got some awesome
stuff. I created the puzzle out

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of one of his paintings. But
again, that is the best visual

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visualization and simplistic way
of looking at how I approach

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research. Now some of what I go
over maybe review for some of

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you who, like me, have lived and
breathed this since October of

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2017. Why I say October, not
December. That is when Luis

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Elizondo entered the scene. That
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aerospace Threat program that
was identifying these types of

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threats. But he never said a tip
in October that was not broken

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until December. That October
press conference by to the stars

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Academy introduced Lewis
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was where I became incredibly
intrigued about what was rumored

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to be this secret UFO program.

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Fast forward, then from October
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New York Times, and political
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16 2017, in my opinion, will
forever change, you follow GE in

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the sense that it created this
firestorm of publicity for this

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program called a tip, the
reality that unidentified aerial

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phenomena were being
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government, or at least that's
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And since then, a lot of stuff
has happened. You see that on

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this channel, I try and cover it
when I can, but also in the

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mainstream media in the last,
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half, especially since that you
UAP report came out. And so

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that's why I say that it will
forever change. You follow ge

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the study of UFOs. And that's
what these two articles were. As

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we dig deeper, and look at the
confusion and those questions,

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I'm going to bring up something
that upsets a lot of people. And

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to be quite frank and blunt, I
those that do get upset that I

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bring this up, I don't care. And
here's why it's those minute

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details, the small details, and
that was what I a tip actually

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stood or stands for, in that in
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the politico article, we were
getting two different names for

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what a tip was. So in essence,
the confusion for those who were

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paying attention to those small
details started on day one. Now

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some of you may not think this
is a big deal. And this is one

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of those things that again,
upsets some people that I

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brought up in the past, but
continue to make reference to

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because again, this is what
started the snowball of

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confusion. It was simple as a
single word in the letter,

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excuse me in the acronym of
aerospace versus aviation, New

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York Times reported advanced
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Program, Politico advanced
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Program. Why does that matter?
It's plain and simple. It's

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research. When you look into
something you need those names

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to be accurate. And yes, FOIA
offices if you don't have

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keywords, right, or full names,
correct. There is sometimes an

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issue with that. And so yes, I
brought that up quite early on,

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because the Pentagon had said it
was advanced aviation. I don't

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regret that at all pushing that
that point. And in fact, I'm

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glad I did, because it really
brought quite a bit more out

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about the reality of a tip and
what it was. And according to

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the government, what it wasn't,
it doesn't matter if you believe

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the government or not, it
doesn't matter if I believe the

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government or not, but the
pushing have that brought more

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details out, including how it
was funded. And I'll show you

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that in a minute. But also some
other details, as well. But

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where it really got worse and
dicey was all of these different

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variations of the Name just
beyond what politico in New York

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Times had reported. But as these
stories were being written, all

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sorts of names emerged. And what
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accuracy number one, but number
two, how much care was going

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into vetting these stories, what
you're seeing on screen here,

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the sources in the main sources
for these articles, were the

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main key players involved in the
program. So my questions as time

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went on, and this confusion
began to really mount was Why

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were there so many variations
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getting it right? Because all of
these couldn't be right. So why

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was there this confusion when
their sources were those

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involved was a careless
journalism. I can buy that Was

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it bad sources? I don't know.
But that's why these issues were

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being pushed. This was one of
the first declassified documents

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from the intelligence community
that I got through FOIA. That in

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fact, anybody got through FOIA,
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as well said aviation, this
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Intellipedia. This is used by
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different arms of the
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whole. They use this. So again,
even internally, referencing the

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New York Times and the use of of
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they flipped it and said
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knows. Here is the statement I
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that long for the DIA to finally
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advanced aerospace. Now, again,
I'll say it 1000 times, that

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upsets a lot of people, this
whole name debate, some people

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say, Well, who really cares? My
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that is to show you that
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of this book. On top of the
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laid, in my opinion, a bombshell
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coverage. It's one thing for you
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it and harp on the New York
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wrong. But when the OSS AP
former director who has not been

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disputed by the Pentagon, when
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authors a book that said
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156, for those who have the
book, unfortunately, the ATF

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details presented in these
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actually those of OS app. And,
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themselves were in error.
Senator Harry Reid said himself

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in the foreword to the book on
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numerals, The New York Times
article created enormous

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confusion by mistakenly linking
the $22 million funding to the

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small, informal a tip
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specifically targeted only to OS
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York Times was not OS app, and
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million was contracted through
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into OS app to evaluate the
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$1. Of that some went to a tip,
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book is to correct the record.
So they are stating quite

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simply, they want to set the
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they're saying pretty much
everything that was reported was

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mislabeled and wrong. Now,
that's those are big claims to

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make, because it wasn't just
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reported it, the avalanche
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arguably 1000s of mainstream
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if they were all wrong. The
question mark is how were they

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all wrong? A lot of them were
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paste journalism. They were just
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jumbling the words and making it
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is just an opinion. Insert
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John Greenwald's opinion. But I
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blame without placing blame.
They said on page 156. The main

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source for The Times article was
Lou Elizondo, who had recently

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resigned who had recently up I
apologize, I don't know how I

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repeated that. The main source
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Elizondo, who had recently
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position, and join T TSA and
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special programs. Again, that
was page 156. Now remember, in

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the last slide, I said that all
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saying, as reported by The
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wrong. So in essence, they're
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the question mark is, how did
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facts accurately? I'm not
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way, that's not what I'm saying.
The book is, so that's what they

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say. In the same section
articles were wrong, and this

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was their source. They didn't
name anybody else. So was it

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possible that not one but two
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from two major mainstream media
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mysteriously got the same facts
wrong? That doesn't make sense

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to me whatsoever. So there's a
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which we you know, have yet to
see. As the story continued to

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unfold even more confusion came
out. This was a interview

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earlier this year from With
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George Knapp credit to him for
sitting down face to face with

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Robert Bigelow and asking him
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interview. This is one thing
Robert Bigelow said. I met Lou a

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couple of times didn't, didn't
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our program in any way, in terms
of who we ever reported to, or

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whoever we discussed kind of
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to talk about James McCaskey,
not by name, but referring to

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him as the program manager. Now,
in this interview, it is clear

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that Louise Elizondo had no role
in ITT OS app. And they didn't

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communicate he was not somebody
that they ever reported to, or

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whoever we discussed the kinds
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point, right. Until you start
looking at what other people

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said to the same journalist.
This for me is caused to

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question George Knapp in an
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be exact. He sat down with Luis
Elizondo, Luis Elizondo stated

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when George Knapp asked this
interaction between you and your

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group and the OS app, Bigelow
bass folks, conversations back

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and forth. You got a general
idea what they're doing. Luis

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Elizondo, he replies in the
affirmative. He says, Of course,

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yeah, we didn't do anything
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How do you have those statements
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hand in hand. You don't. One
who's the billionaire who got

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the funding from the DIA to do
their program? said Lou

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Elizondo, sure. Nice guy. We
never talked, Lou Elizondo says,

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Yep, we didn't do anything
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Those are not small details.
That is a major conflict of

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statement between two main
players of this story who's

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right and who's wrong? Well, we
kind of don't really know. To

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add even more confusion Dr. Hal
put off we know him as being

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involved on the bass side, he
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This was something that he gave
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about the Pentagon statement
that Luis Elizondo had no

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assigned responsibilities on the
A tip program. So I wrote about

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this extensively. Some people
hate me for some of those

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articles. Others,

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I think, saw the value of
digging in because what

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happened? Well, we got Dr. Hal
put off on the record as he

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submitted this statement, and
I'll read it in part. However, I

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have no problem asserting that
as an OS app, slash a tip

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contractor and senior advisor. I
continued to attend meetings,

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provide briefings, gain access
to videos, provide proposed

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program plans, meet with staff,
etc, all under the aegis of

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Elizondo his leadership and
responsibility for maintaining

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continuity of the program effort
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Well, that's great. He's now
vouching for him. The question

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mark, however, is that basses
contract didn't go after 2010.

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Now it could be assumed that Dr.
How put off stayed on if Luis

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Elizondo took over in 2010. And
we'll go over that timeline in a

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minute. Dr. Hal put off then
stayed on as a consultant. Okay,

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I can see that kind of
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but one of their contractors
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how that may have unfolded.
There's a lot of unchartered

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territory there that I don't
really see anybody talking

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about. But I responded to Dr.
Put off and said, Hey, can you

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elaborate So are you saying that
after 2010 You as either a bass

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contractor or somebody who what
didn't work for bass and then

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later got a contract direct with
the Pentagon to consult with or

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do whatever you know, consult
with or do whatever duties you

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had with Luis Elizondo is a tip.
Well, that could be true as

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well. But James McCaskey said a
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the question mark is who wrote
Dr. Hal put off statement a

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paycheck. So pay based on this
statement? If he stayed on,

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there's got to be funding from
somewhere. I mean, in my

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opinion, and I don't fault
anybody for this. You're not

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going to volunteer your time. So
my guess is who's paying? And

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and that's where a lot of the
layers when it comes to the

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Pentagon's a tip side, start to
come into question. Because if

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bass was out how to doctor put
off stay in, he never responded

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to my follow up to try and
figure out what happened. It

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only got worse. We were told and
we were, you know, shown

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documentation. And I'll go over
that documentation also in a

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minute that aos app started. In
2008, after it was awarded to

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bass, well, in a Dr. Hal put off
lecture that he gave to a

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conference in Las Vegas in June
of 2018. He said the following,

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people have trouble trying to
get documents out of the

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Pentagon by saying they want all
documents on a tip. And they

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have a hard time, because that
wasn't the actual name of the

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program. advanced aerospace
weapon systems application

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program is the actual name of
the program. But a tip was the

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nickname it went by. It began in
June of 2007. The Defense

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Intelligence Agency was
concerned about the fact that

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obvious observation had shown
that advanced aerospace

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vehicles, crafts or drones of
unknown origin, were flying all

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over the United States over
waters, in fact, globally, as

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was the case, did you catch it?
It began in June of 2007. Now

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that's more than a full year
prior to money ever being

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allocated to the OSS AP contract
in August of 2008. So what

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happened there now put a pin in
that, because when I go over the

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timeline, you'll see something
else emerge that creates yet

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another question. This was also
echoed to George Knapp in a

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mystery wire interview by Luis
Elizondo, because that really

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wasn't a quote, I should say,
because that really wasn't that

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started before I came on board,
and therefore my knowledge of it

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is a bit limited. So in essence,
in 2007, the initial program was

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called OS app program. It was
that name for about nine months.

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And that program was later
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shotgun approach to the
phenomena. So yet again, we have

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a 2007 start date. But yet
again, documentation and all

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reporting contradicts that.

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Now despite the controversy
about the Pentagon saying no

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Luis Elizondo had no assigned
responsibility on the A tip

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program, let's get beyond that
and find out when he started.

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And we all know for those who
watched the History Channel

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special, unidentified, they went
over a lot of Elizondo his

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background. And they said the
following these are three

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screenshots with the official
transcript. These were taken, I

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believe, through my press access
to the History Channel where

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they allowed us to screen ahead
of time. I did not post these

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until after the show aired, but
that's kind of the screen you're

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seeing. And then since then, I
believe you can view this

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publicly or at least you did for
a while, but anybody can verify

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this. They said in that show,
which Luis Elizondo was

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instrumental in the narrator
says in 2009, Elizondo took over

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the $22 million advanced
aerospace threat Identification

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Program. Well, that's entirely
wrong across the board. Based on

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all of the new details that have
emerged. Luis Elizondo, which

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you'll see in a second says,
Well 2010, the $22 million,

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according to James McCaskey
never went to a tip. So yet

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again, how did a television show
that was working directly with

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the sources get it wildly wrong?
Now? Maybe the producers just

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made a mistake and sure we can
chalk it up to that. But was

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there something else? Luis
Elizondo in one of his interview

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said the OS app program given
the resources $22 million would

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never be enough to really follow
each and every down each and

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every rabbit hole to do this
conclusively, in my opinion,

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anyways, so it was refocused to
a tip I took over in 2010. So

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yet another discrepancy on the
timeline? What is going on? All

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these details, by the way do
mean an awful lot when you're

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trying to figure out what the
right story is? That timeline

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defines money, where the money
came from, who was involved, who

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was calling the shots? And let's
just face it, essentially, who's

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telling the truth. Not everybody
can be right. And all of these

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little details sure people can
get date dates wrong. It was now

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what 11 going on 12 years ago
ish, depending upon what version

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you go for. So that's cool. You
know, maybe some of these are

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just all mistakes. But you know,
when you're talking about

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something this sensitive, in my
opinion, and again, an opinion

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here that I'd like to insert, we
should take a little bit more

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care. Again, I'm not saying
who's right or who's wrong in

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this presentation, but rather,
pointing out the huge

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discrepancies in the timeline,
the story, the claims, the

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facts, and what we've been led
to believe. In a presentation

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that was done to move on, this
was edited to down a little bit

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and put on to to the stars
Academy of Arts and Sciences or

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TT essays, YouTube channel.
slides were shown by Luis

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00:29:55,290 --> 00:29:57,990
Elizondo. In one of those
slides, you'll see the

434
00:29:57,990 --> 00:30:03,960
highlighted purple one highlight
was more emphasis 2008 oss AP is

435
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,770
formally changed to a tip by
former program manager to focus

436
00:30:07,770 --> 00:30:12,120
more narrowly on the five
observables. And research of

437
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:17,430
advanced physics applications.
But as we know, in the book

438
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:20,490
anyway, for those who read it,
it was only said that it was a

439
00:30:20,490 --> 00:30:24,390
nickname that a tip was never
anything within the DIA. And

440
00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:29,730
that the a tip that we know it
was an unfunded, unofficial and

441
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,810
they use the word unofficial
program operated out of the

442
00:30:33,810 --> 00:30:38,640
Pentagon. So what happened in
2008, according to Mr. Elizondo

443
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,410
two full years, or at least
close to two years, prior to him

444
00:30:43,410 --> 00:30:49,860
taking over that a tip had
already been morphed. And for us

445
00:30:49,860 --> 00:30:54,030
to focus in on these five
observables, that is not

446
00:30:54,030 --> 00:30:56,370
checking out what the new
information that has come

447
00:30:56,370 --> 00:30:56,880
forward.

448
00:30:59,220 --> 00:31:05,940
In 2009, this kind of reinforces
that in 2008, a transfer to a

449
00:31:05,940 --> 00:31:10,470
tip or a formal repackaging, so
to speak likely didn't take

450
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:16,590
place. Excuse me, in 2009, this
Harry Reid letter was written,

451
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:22,470
essentially trying to get SAP
access or Special Access Program

452
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:28,440
status for what we refer to as a
tip. But in the book, it kind of

453
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,890
shows that this was an
introduction of the A tip word

454
00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:36,270
that this was an unclassified
way of referring to OS app,

455
00:31:36,270 --> 00:31:40,320
which essentially took the
spotlight off of this program

456
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,710
that they wanted to remain
secret, and essentially created

457
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,770
a nickname they said in the
book, and again, this is from

458
00:31:46,770 --> 00:31:49,950
the free preview. based on
preliminary data, a letter had

459
00:31:49,950 --> 00:31:53,310
already been sent from Senator
Harry Reid, to Deputy Secretary

460
00:31:53,310 --> 00:31:59,250
of Defense William Linn on June
24 2009, requesting a SAP or

461
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,720
special access program for OS
app. As detailed in chapter 10.

462
00:32:04,020 --> 00:32:06,900
The decision to create the SAP
was postponed but the urgent

463
00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:10,890
need persisted. Oddly enough,
the primary legacy of the letter

464
00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:15,150
was the new unclassified
nickname, The advanced aerospace

465
00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:20,040
threat identification program or
a tip created exclusively for

466
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,970
use within the unclassified
letter. The ATA backronym, was

467
00:32:23,970 --> 00:32:28,320
adopted much later to describe a
small, unofficial effort within

468
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,190
the DOD to investigate UAPs
encountered by the military. The

469
00:32:32,190 --> 00:32:36,210
New York Times article in
December of 2017, mistakenly

470
00:32:36,210 --> 00:32:41,010
linked the $22 million in
funding to a tip not OS app, os

471
00:32:41,010 --> 00:32:46,290
app was the change. Offset was
the official name of the $22

472
00:32:46,290 --> 00:32:50,400
million program and was never
changed. A tip was not a funded

473
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:59,550
program. Now that's completely
contradictory to what we've been

474
00:32:59,550 --> 00:33:05,010
told about how all SAP morph to
a tip in 2008. Well, the book is

475
00:33:05,010 --> 00:33:08,970
completely contradicting that
narrative. And it isn't right.

476
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,340
What's interesting to point out
about Harry Reid, is the

477
00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:18,450
shifting of viewpoints when it
comes to this because in 2009,

478
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,540
he had said in his letter that
he had seen enough to try and

479
00:33:21,540 --> 00:33:27,930
get what he was referring to as
a tip, a SAP status. But years

480
00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:30,720
later, he did an interview and a
journalist asked him, were you

481
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,190
ever briefed on the findings of
of the program? And were you

482
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:38,760
staying involved? In the New
York Magazine article published

483
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,270
in March of 2018, the journalist
says when the program was

484
00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:45,030
running, was this something that
you would be briefed on

485
00:33:45,030 --> 00:33:49,650
frequently? Were you briefed on
it ever? Harry Reid said no, I

486
00:33:49,650 --> 00:33:55,350
left everybody alone. Nope.
Journalists followed up, you

487
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:59,520
were never briefed. Harry Reid
says that. That's not my style.

488
00:33:59,550 --> 00:34:07,380
Nope. How is it that you as a
senator would essentially go and

489
00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:10,770
fight for SAP status on
something which by the way, I

490
00:34:10,770 --> 00:34:16,500
cannot find any example outside
of this storyline of a sitting

491
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:20,340
US senator getting involved in a
program that's already underway,

492
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,810
trying to request certain status
in this in this manner. That

493
00:34:24,810 --> 00:34:27,330
doesn't mean that it hasn't
happened. That's just kind of

494
00:34:27,330 --> 00:34:32,190
unorthodox. Once funding goes,
Senators aren't generally

495
00:34:32,190 --> 00:34:36,450
involved in the day to day
business of Dia or NSA or CIA or

496
00:34:36,570 --> 00:34:41,370
DOD or whomever. So the fact
that he was involved shows you

497
00:34:41,370 --> 00:34:44,400
that there was something else
going on. He had obviously been

498
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,520
briefed enough, which by the
way, I don't think I pulled it

499
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,300
but there's a quote about them
briefing Harry Reid in the book,

500
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:57,120
I think so. You know, it shows
that what version of his story

501
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,530
do you want to believe? Because
as time goes on, we're getting

502
00:35:01,530 --> 00:35:06,630
more and more information that
is simply creating more and more

503
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:11,070
confusion and generating more
and more questions than it is

504
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,060
answers.

505
00:35:13,830 --> 00:35:17,670
In a mystery wire interview
again, credit to George Knapp.

506
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,510
Yes, the name a tip. And this is
from James McCaskey quote. Yes,

507
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:24,360
the name a tip was a nickname
for OS app for certain security

508
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,210
reasons that we've put into the
book. But the difference between

509
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:30,750
OS app with the nickname a tip
at DIA, and a tip at the

510
00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:34,860
Pentagon is quite distinct OS
app had 22 million in funding it

511
00:35:34,860 --> 00:35:38,130
covered military and civilian
UFOs, yielding a massive

512
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,240
database. It also had a main
contract and sub contracts. Now

513
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,000
a tip in the Pentagon, as
described in the articles was

514
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,870
basically zero funded, looked at
specific military UFO

515
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:51,930
encounters, and very important
ones because they had film and

516
00:35:51,930 --> 00:35:55,680
it had no contract. So getting
back to how did this mix up

517
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,110
occur? I think it's not
deliberate. It's not due to

518
00:35:58,110 --> 00:36:01,050
authors to television
personalities, etc. It's the

519
00:36:01,050 --> 00:36:03,930
fact that we were running not an
official app, but a closed

520
00:36:03,930 --> 00:36:08,460
program. And he goes on and on.
So is who's to blame for the

521
00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:11,670
confusion? I'm not really sure.
But when you talk about the key

522
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:15,420
players involved, none of them
agree either. So we can talk

523
00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:18,600
about the media in one breath.
And that's fine. I've done that

524
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,810
on this channel before. And I've
made extensive videos about the

525
00:36:21,810 --> 00:36:22,680
horrible

526
00:36:24,750 --> 00:36:28,830
the horrible reporting when it
comes to this topic, but now

527
00:36:28,830 --> 00:36:32,040
when you look at the actual
statements from everybody in the

528
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,820
storylines, and and what comes
out in books like this, and you

529
00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:39,510
know, rumor has it there's more
books coming. When you look at

530
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:42,960
all of that, and nothing matches
up. What are we, as the general

531
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,130
public led to believe about
this? Was this all kosher? and

532
00:36:47,130 --> 00:36:51,210
up and up. And that brings me to
my next section, which really

533
00:36:51,210 --> 00:36:55,770
upsets some people. But it is
something that truly puts all of

534
00:36:55,770 --> 00:36:59,340
this into context. Now, for many
years, I've talked about the

535
00:36:59,340 --> 00:37:02,550
concept of a sweetheart deal.
Now, essentially, in plain

536
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:07,020
English. What I mean by that is
the fact that that OS app was a

537
00:37:07,020 --> 00:37:12,540
creation, for bass, to get X
amount of dollars in the tunes

538
00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:16,890
of 10s of millions, if not a lot
more, I don't believe that $22

539
00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:20,550
million was supposed to be a
cap, but 10s of millions of

540
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:25,380
dollars in a program that was
catered for Robert Bigelow and

541
00:37:25,380 --> 00:37:28,830
bass. Now, that happens in
government and military. So I'm

542
00:37:28,830 --> 00:37:32,610
sorry, it just happens, right?
It's not something that I like

543
00:37:32,610 --> 00:37:36,690
or dislike, but it's the reality
of what's going on. But it also

544
00:37:36,690 --> 00:37:40,410
puts into proper context, what
it is that we're actually

545
00:37:40,410 --> 00:37:44,340
dealing with, and what it is
that we're actually talking

546
00:37:44,370 --> 00:37:48,360
about. Now, one of the main
things on why I get attached to

547
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,870
this is a lot of you who are
watching this are into UFOs. And

548
00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:56,190
you know, me as somebody who
loves the topic, and I do, I

549
00:37:56,190 --> 00:37:59,580
preface a lot of what I do with
saying I believe the phenomena

550
00:37:59,610 --> 00:38:03,000
is real, I believe it warrants
scientific scrutiny, I believe

551
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,360
funding should be put forward to
look into it. And I fully

552
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,740
support the UAP Task Force and
its mission to try and uncover

553
00:38:10,740 --> 00:38:14,460
what all this is. But in the
same respect, I am a researcher,

554
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,720
and an investigator who has dug
in for decades through the

555
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:22,020
Freedom of Information Act on
information that goes well

556
00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:27,780
beyond UFOs. And where I want to
bring this up is this is a

557
00:38:27,780 --> 00:38:32,220
crossroads for me. Because I
take personal biases or I try

558
00:38:32,220 --> 00:38:34,860
I'm only human, of course, I'm
going to have, you know,

559
00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:39,120
something that is within me that
makes me lean a certain way. But

560
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:44,820
I truly try hard not to do that.
And this is a crossroads for me,

561
00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:48,900
because I want all of this to be
real. And I look into it, for

562
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:52,050
the reason that I believe that
there's something to the UFO

563
00:38:52,050 --> 00:38:55,650
topic. But in the same respect,
I look into a lot of government

564
00:38:55,650 --> 00:38:59,070
waste, and wasteful spending.
And through the years I've

565
00:38:59,070 --> 00:39:02,190
gotten, you know quite a few
different news agencies and

566
00:39:02,190 --> 00:39:05,550
media outlets to cover documents
that I've come out with on

567
00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:09,660
various topics. A prime example
was years ago, quite a few years

568
00:39:09,660 --> 00:39:13,110
with one of those stimulus
packages, how they spent $18

569
00:39:13,290 --> 00:39:19,140
million for the recovery.gov
website like how does a website

570
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:26,580
cost $18 million. And for it to
be a disaster. Pro Publica also

571
00:39:26,580 --> 00:39:30,780
had a lawsuit to get a lot of
that stuff out. So So credit to

572
00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:35,670
them as well involved in those
stories. $16.7 million for

573
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:40,080
canned pork. And so I've got the
FDA contract on all of that

574
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:45,660
craziness. $1.5 million for
cheese, and it goes on and on.

575
00:39:45,690 --> 00:39:49,260
So that's what I do. And this is
where the concept of a

576
00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:53,010
sweetheart deal whether or not
it deals with UFOs or not comes

577
00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:57,480
into play for me because that's
who I am as a researcher and

578
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,920
somebody who looks into these
topics. and looks at a $22

579
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,420
million dollar sign and whether
or not this truly was

580
00:40:06,420 --> 00:40:12,270
appropriated properly. And what
if that $22 million went to the,

581
00:40:12,450 --> 00:40:15,420
you know, let's say Office of
Naval Intelligence for the UAP

582
00:40:15,420 --> 00:40:19,470
Task Force or wherever, could
that have been appropriated more

583
00:40:19,470 --> 00:40:23,880
properly, where they don't focus
on let's say cryptozoology stuff

584
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:29,310
and, and cryptids and dyno
beavers, and some other stuff

585
00:40:29,310 --> 00:40:32,820
that that that I can't say
without laughing, that rather,

586
00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:35,790
if you focused on the nuts and
bolts aspect of this phenomena

587
00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:39,780
that we know is real, what could
that $22 million have purchased

588
00:40:40,020 --> 00:40:43,110
elsewhere? So that's that
crossroads for me. But I want to

589
00:40:43,110 --> 00:40:46,260
deal a little bit with that
sweetheart deal narrative,

590
00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:49,530
because for years, I've talked
about it as a possibility. And

591
00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:53,400
you know, what, with the with
the publishing of this book, and

592
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,030
now James McCaskey on the
record, truly not third hand

593
00:40:57,030 --> 00:41:01,350
information, but his words in a
book with his name on it, I

594
00:41:01,350 --> 00:41:03,030
believe now it's solidified,

595
00:41:05,580 --> 00:41:09,810
solidified that it is a
sweetheart deal. Does that take

596
00:41:09,810 --> 00:41:13,680
away from results? Before I dig
into this? No, of course not.

597
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,330
Where are the results? Is the
question. So even though I don't

598
00:41:18,330 --> 00:41:21,840
believe that it takes away from
the results? My big question is,

599
00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:25,470
where are those results? And if
there was something yielded from

600
00:41:25,470 --> 00:41:29,700
the $22 million, where is it?
And if it's classified and

601
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:33,270
heavily classified at that, then
they wouldn't be talking about

602
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:37,710
OS and a tip and writing books
about it. Because the idea

603
00:41:37,710 --> 00:41:42,210
concepts, and these findings and
realities of dyno beavers, and

604
00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:48,060
man like wolves or whatever,
that if that all happened,

605
00:41:48,090 --> 00:41:50,760
you're not going to be able to
talk about that if it's highly

606
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,910
classified. So if it is
unclassified, and they're able

607
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:56,820
to talk about it, where are the
results? And that is one of the

608
00:41:56,820 --> 00:42:01,080
biggest questions that we still
have yet to answer when we get

609
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,230
into this concept of a
sweetheart deal. Because if this

610
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:07,830
was truly a sweetheart deal, and
the money was catered for Robert

611
00:42:07,830 --> 00:42:12,540
Bigelow, and he doesn't want to
share it, I'm not not saying

612
00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:16,260
that. That's the reality. But
where is everything? If that is

613
00:42:16,260 --> 00:42:19,320
the reality, then we have a lot
more questions than even I

614
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,160
thought about this whole thing.
So anyway, concept of a

615
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,710
sweetheart deal. So these are
some of the facts that we've

616
00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:30,000
learned here in the last few
years and some with this book as

617
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,270
well. We know that Robert
Bigelow, this man over here owns

618
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:36,780
Bigelow Aerospace, and who
created the subsidiary that we

619
00:42:36,780 --> 00:42:41,310
know as bass as the one that got
this contract. We know that

620
00:42:41,310 --> 00:42:44,070
Senator Harry Reid is
instrumental in that there's

621
00:42:44,070 --> 00:42:47,670
there's really kind of no
debating that. Robert Bigelow's

622
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:52,020
headquarters is in Nevada. And
when this man Senator Harry

623
00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:58,980
Reid, was the majority leader
and was in the Senate, he was in

624
00:42:58,980 --> 00:43:03,060
so for the state of Nevada. So
these guys were obviously in the

625
00:43:03,060 --> 00:43:06,570
same state and with the success
of a billionaire who creates

626
00:43:06,570 --> 00:43:11,280
jobs and creates money flowing
into that state. This man here

627
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,450
is obviously very happy. So
there is motivation for the one

628
00:43:15,450 --> 00:43:18,750
to take care of the other. Now,
the other two gentlemen that

629
00:43:18,750 --> 00:43:22,740
don't get mentioned a whole lot,
and we just hear again, third

630
00:43:22,740 --> 00:43:26,580
hand information would be
senators Ted Stevens and Daniel

631
00:43:26,610 --> 00:43:29,970
Inouye, both of which are the
late, they have both passed

632
00:43:29,970 --> 00:43:33,810
away. So that's why I say most
of what we hear is all third

633
00:43:33,810 --> 00:43:38,070
hand information. And we don't
really know the role. I'm sorry,

634
00:43:38,070 --> 00:43:42,060
if any that they really played
in getting that we just have to

635
00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:47,820
believe and trust the book
itself. We've learned that Harry

636
00:43:47,820 --> 00:43:50,640
Reid's connection to Robert
Bigelow goes back to the knids

637
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,860
days back to 1996 when Reid had
attended one of the board

638
00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:58,950
meetings for knids. And he was
very impressed by it. Lots of

639
00:43:58,950 --> 00:44:05,160
scientists, lots of you know,
big names, not the tinfoil hat

640
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,460
people that I'm sure most
politicians are scared of. These

641
00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:13,440
were big people. That apparently
is the root of Harry Reid's

642
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,940
interest in Robert Bigelow knids
all things UFOs paranormal

643
00:44:18,180 --> 00:44:27,120
Skinwalker Ranch, and it's
routed back to 1996. Now we know

644
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,570
the connection then between
Robert Bigelow and Harry Reid

645
00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:34,920
extended far beyond friendship
There were also in the tunes of

646
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,670
1000s of dollars worth of
donations from not only Robert

647
00:44:38,670 --> 00:44:42,930
Bigelow but also his late wife,
Diane Bigelow, all under the

648
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,680
banners a lot of times under the
Bigelow company's Bigelow

649
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,760
development aerospace LLC, and
then probably extends farther

650
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,630
beyond this. I just don't know
all the names of everybody. But

651
00:44:54,630 --> 00:45:00,000
these are all verifiable
contributions all through 2014

652
00:45:00,660 --> 00:45:03,930
little bit before then a couple
years later OS app was awarded.

653
00:45:04,290 --> 00:45:07,590
And then these 1000s of dollars
of donations from Robert

654
00:45:07,590 --> 00:45:10,860
Bigelow, ironically, around the
time that they were saying that

655
00:45:10,860 --> 00:45:14,040
they were cutting the OS app
funding, which is, you know,

656
00:45:14,070 --> 00:45:18,960
probably just a coincidence. But
obviously, again, a, a

657
00:45:19,770 --> 00:45:23,970
relationship that extends far
beyond the professions or just a

658
00:45:23,970 --> 00:45:27,570
friendship that there were 1000s
of dollars in donations that

659
00:45:27,570 --> 00:45:28,560
were going forward.

660
00:45:30,270 --> 00:45:34,260
Enter James McCaskey, he, again
was the DIA scientist. He was a

661
00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:39,030
rocket scientist, who in the
leaked reports, that's really

662
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:42,720
how we knew his name before but
nobody wanted to say his name.

663
00:45:43,260 --> 00:45:46,320
He was on the leaked reports as
being the OSS SAP program

664
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,650
manager. And so that also was a
cause for confusion. Hey, what

665
00:45:49,650 --> 00:45:52,650
about Mr. Elizondo didn't he
wasn't he the manager? What is

666
00:45:52,650 --> 00:45:56,340
this? And in the early days,
that really caused a lot of

667
00:45:56,340 --> 00:46:00,030
confusion since then, we got
clarity, that Mr. Elizondo said

668
00:46:00,030 --> 00:46:04,890
hey, we were two different
programs. He led ASA or excuse

669
00:46:04,890 --> 00:46:09,390
me a tip Elizondo led a tip in
the Pentagon. LoCat ski was all

670
00:46:09,390 --> 00:46:14,610
SAP at the DIA. Dr. McCaskey
says the following on page 20

671
00:46:14,610 --> 00:46:17,010
For those who have the book
reading hunt for the Skinwalker

672
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,220
which is, by the way, the
original book that was written

673
00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:24,330
by George Knapp and I think Colm
Kelleher, as well about

674
00:46:24,330 --> 00:46:27,810
Skinwalker Ranch created quite a
bit of hoopla many, many years

675
00:46:27,810 --> 00:46:30,900
ago. So back to the quote I'm
sorry reading hunt for the

676
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:35,790
Skinwalker back in March of
2007. Intrigued McCaskey. I read

677
00:46:35,790 --> 00:46:39,360
the book cover to cover McCaskey
says I was legitimately

678
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,710
interested in this as useful to
the military and useful to my

679
00:46:43,710 --> 00:46:46,440
particular group, which was
looking at possible threats to

680
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,330
new weapons systems. That's what
attracted my attention. So that

681
00:46:51,330 --> 00:46:56,280
kind of gives a timeframe March
of 2007. Luke Caskey gets a

682
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,540
personal interest into
Skinwalker Ranch, specifically

683
00:47:00,540 --> 00:47:03,750
this ranch in Utah that
allegedly has all of this

684
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:09,570
paranormal activity. There's a
little flowchart for you in

685
00:47:09,570 --> 00:47:14,190
2007. This is from Senator Harry
Reid, by the way page. What is

686
00:47:14,190 --> 00:47:19,800
that 14 In the Roman numeral. In
2007. I received a telephone

687
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,580
call from Bob Bigelow regarding
a letter he had received from

688
00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:28,590
the Defense Intelligence Agency
or dia, that also timestamps it

689
00:47:28,650 --> 00:47:34,080
that law Caskey writes Robert
Bigelow, and says I want to

690
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,310
visit Skinwalker Ranch. Bigelow
immediately turns around and

691
00:47:38,310 --> 00:47:42,000
calls his buddy Harry Reid to
kind of have everything checked

692
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,200
out. As the story slash legend
goes, if you want to call it

693
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:51,840
that, Luke Caskey, visits the
the Skinwalker Ranch and

694
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,260
actually has which he recounts
in the book, a paranormal

695
00:47:55,260 --> 00:48:00,810
experience. And he's convinced
at this point that money needs

696
00:48:00,810 --> 00:48:04,350
to go to this research. Now
again, keep in mind that this is

697
00:48:04,350 --> 00:48:11,340
2007. According to the book,
enter Harry Reid, Ted Stevens,

698
00:48:11,370 --> 00:48:16,080
Daniel Inouye. That day,
according to Senator Harry Reid,

699
00:48:16,110 --> 00:48:20,790
on page 16 In the Roman numeral,
quote, thus the advanced

700
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:23,430
aerospace weapon system
applications program was

701
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:28,200
conceived senators Stevens
anyway, and I allocated $22

702
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,530
million to get the program
started. A government request

703
00:48:31,530 --> 00:48:35,610
for proposal was put out, and
Bob Bigelow's company secured

704
00:48:35,610 --> 00:48:42,240
the bid was the $22 million that
went to bass. According to the

705
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:46,440
Pentagon. This is how it was
funded. The program commenced in

706
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,920
fiscal year 2008 with $10
million appropriated in the

707
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,330
defense supplemental
appropriation Act. The first 26

708
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,040
reports were complete, completed
by late 2009. The defense

709
00:48:59,070 --> 00:49:03,600
Appropriation Act for Fiscal
Year 2010, included an

710
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,560
additional $12 million for the
program, and 12 additional

711
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,580
reports were produced. That's
quoted from Susan Goff, Pentagon

712
00:49:11,580 --> 00:49:15,630
spokesperson that culminated
from dia statements and so on

713
00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:18,750
and so forth. I'm putting her
name because that was the last

714
00:49:18,750 --> 00:49:23,040
time I received a version of it.
But James could law from dia

715
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,970
also gave me portions of that
even goes back to Adria Harris

716
00:49:26,970 --> 00:49:31,140
from the Pentagon in early 2018.
When I was communicating with

717
00:49:31,140 --> 00:49:32,010
her back then,

718
00:49:33,449 --> 00:49:37,769
Senator Harry Reid, also on page
16, as the United States Senate

719
00:49:37,769 --> 00:49:40,829
Majority Leader I decided to
meet in a classified location in

720
00:49:40,829 --> 00:49:43,619
the United States Capitol with
two key members of the

721
00:49:43,619 --> 00:49:47,009
appropriations process. The two
members of the Appropriations

722
00:49:47,009 --> 00:49:50,609
Committee who controlled the
dark money, the non public money

723
00:49:50,849 --> 00:49:54,089
were Republican Senator Ted
Stevens of Alaska and Democratic

724
00:49:54,089 --> 00:49:57,599
Senator Dan Inouye of Hawaii.
Now I'm bringing up this because

725
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:01,319
dark money has come up that the
phrasing dark Money has come up

726
00:50:01,319 --> 00:50:04,349
quite a few times when it comes
to Harry Reid, and to be

727
00:50:04,349 --> 00:50:08,099
blatantly honest with you. And I
could be completely off base or

728
00:50:08,099 --> 00:50:11,249
missing something big. I have no
idea what the hell he's

729
00:50:11,249 --> 00:50:14,639
referring to. When you talk
about black budget program.

730
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:20,189
Sure. I have obviously know what
he's referring to. Dark money is

731
00:50:20,189 --> 00:50:22,739
something different and really
doesn't have to do with

732
00:50:22,739 --> 00:50:27,689
government spending, but rather,
corporations, namely nonprofit

733
00:50:27,689 --> 00:50:31,289
corporations, and how they
donate to political campaigns.

734
00:50:31,319 --> 00:50:36,419
Ironically, one of the biggest
outspoken senators on dark money

735
00:50:36,659 --> 00:50:40,889
was Senator Harry Reid himself.
These two articles I pulled from

736
00:50:40,889 --> 00:50:45,359
various years 2014 and 2015.
Harry Reid says dark money in

737
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:48,719
campaigns threatens democracy.
Another headline, Harry Reid

738
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,739
joins call for Obama to take
action on dark money. Now, I

739
00:50:52,739 --> 00:50:55,499
don't believe he's using the
right phrasing. And it

740
00:50:55,499 --> 00:50:59,849
completely contradicts the
Pentagon and what they are

741
00:50:59,849 --> 00:51:03,659
documenting in these fiscal year
acts in the appropriations bills

742
00:51:04,019 --> 00:51:09,479
on what Senator Harry Reid is
doing. So I'm not sure what he's

743
00:51:09,479 --> 00:51:11,609
referring to if there's
something I'm missing, please

744
00:51:11,609 --> 00:51:16,049
guys, help me out. I believe
that maybe he's just erroneously

745
00:51:16,049 --> 00:51:21,449
referring to black budget money.
But even that doesn't make sense

746
00:51:21,449 --> 00:51:23,969
because according to the
Pentagon, they fully admit the

747
00:51:23,969 --> 00:51:28,019
money was on the books. And they
show where it came from. On top

748
00:51:28,019 --> 00:51:31,049
of that Senator Harry Reid in
this book said that he and the

749
00:51:31,049 --> 00:51:36,479
two other senators allocated $22
million? Well, I would politely

750
00:51:36,479 --> 00:51:39,659
argue that was impossible for
him to do, he could get the

751
00:51:39,659 --> 00:51:44,009
original money, or put it in a
bill somehow. But there was no

752
00:51:44,009 --> 00:51:47,639
cap. If you look at the
documentation of what OS app was

753
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:51,419
all about, it was supposed to
extend far beyond two years,

754
00:51:51,569 --> 00:51:56,789
maybe even to five years and
beyond. But after a review, in

755
00:51:56,789 --> 00:52:01,349
2009, after the DIA had started
it, they felt they were not

756
00:52:01,349 --> 00:52:05,279
getting anything beneficial. So
then the funding was cut after

757
00:52:05,279 --> 00:52:08,519
that second year, George Knapp
was the one that showed

758
00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:11,669
screenshots of the first
contract that was signed for

759
00:52:11,669 --> 00:52:16,649
that first year, the total
amount $10 million. It coincides

760
00:52:16,649 --> 00:52:20,999
with what the Pentagon says,
there's, in my opinion, no way

761
00:52:20,999 --> 00:52:25,199
that Senator Harry Reid then
could understand number one,

762
00:52:25,469 --> 00:52:28,799
that they would get a second
year because it was an option.

763
00:52:29,009 --> 00:52:32,729
But number two, that it would be
for the total of 12 million. So

764
00:52:32,729 --> 00:52:36,059
Senator Harry Reid, or in my
opinion, any senator for that

765
00:52:36,059 --> 00:52:40,589
matter, or committee, or
whatever, in 2008, or excuse me,

766
00:52:40,589 --> 00:52:45,569
2007. I think he said in the
book, they couldn't allocate $22

767
00:52:45,569 --> 00:52:49,229
million, because the bills
weren't even written yet. And

768
00:52:49,229 --> 00:52:53,309
that money that came from those
bills, wasn't even determined

769
00:52:53,309 --> 00:52:58,019
yet. So for that whole portion
of the story, and I know it

770
00:52:58,019 --> 00:53:00,509
sometimes gets dicey and
confusing when you start talking

771
00:53:00,509 --> 00:53:05,309
about this level stuff. It shows
that I believe Senator Harry

772
00:53:05,309 --> 00:53:09,209
Reid is wrong. And I'm sorry,
his use of the word dark money

773
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,979
makes no sense to the story. But
he's used that so many times, I

774
00:53:13,979 --> 00:53:17,579
had to point it out. And on top
of that, Senator Reid was

775
00:53:17,579 --> 00:53:22,769
against the true definition of
dark money as a whole. Going

776
00:53:22,769 --> 00:53:27,239
back to the idea of that that
sweetheart deal. We know from a

777
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:32,099
statement that I got back in
March of 2019, that there was

778
00:53:32,099 --> 00:53:36,329
only one bidder on this contract
that could have potentially

779
00:53:36,329 --> 00:53:40,319
equaled 10s of millions of
dollars, should the option go to

780
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:45,809
five years and beyond the fact
that no other contractor would

781
00:53:45,809 --> 00:53:51,899
try and bid on a public notice
in 2008. Doesn't make really any

782
00:53:51,899 --> 00:53:55,379
sense. Now, some have argued
that that's normal, and that's

783
00:53:55,379 --> 00:53:58,079
fine. Okay, so let's get beyond
it. I won't I won't beat the

784
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:02,819
dead horse. But Bigelow
Aerospace was the only bidder

785
00:54:02,849 --> 00:54:06,749
that has never been disputed. It
was reported, however,

786
00:54:06,779 --> 00:54:11,969
erroneously that Lockheed put a
bid in that also was wrong.

787
00:54:14,219 --> 00:54:19,709
Senator Harry Reid has said in
interviews, that he put the bid

788
00:54:19,709 --> 00:54:21,899
solicit or excuse me that the
government put the bid

789
00:54:21,899 --> 00:54:25,199
solicitation out, and that bass
got it because they were the

790
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:29,129
most qualified at the time. He
never said they were the only

791
00:54:29,129 --> 00:54:34,199
one. So what are the odds that
this bid solicitation, which

792
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:37,289
I'll show you here, called the
advanced aerospace weapon system

793
00:54:37,289 --> 00:54:42,329
applications program goes out
for public bids, and nowhere,

794
00:54:42,539 --> 00:54:46,319
nowhere in that public bid
solicitation is Skinwalker Ranch

795
00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:50,969
mentioned, or, excuse me, our
UFOs are paranormal mentioned,

796
00:54:51,179 --> 00:54:54,749
which would make Skinwalker
Ranch incredibly valuable to bid

797
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:57,839
on a contract like that saying,
Hey, if you want to look in the

798
00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:02,069
paranormal, we have the prime
spot for you or whatever. None

799
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:05,909
of that was in the public bid
solicitation. So what are the

800
00:55:05,909 --> 00:55:10,499
odds that out of all of those
corporations LLCs, or whomever

801
00:55:10,499 --> 00:55:14,519
is clear to bid on a contract?
The one person that actually

802
00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:20,999
bids on it strikes the jackpot,
because it's CEO, Robert Bigelow

803
00:55:21,089 --> 00:55:25,709
has this invested interest in
UFOs and paranormal. So we're

804
00:55:25,709 --> 00:55:29,159
led to believe that OS app when
it went out, withheld some of

805
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:33,209
those other details from the
public bid notice, because some

806
00:55:33,209 --> 00:55:36,719
have argued they were classified
there say that they were

807
00:55:36,749 --> 00:55:40,589
embarrassed by it. Yeah, pick
your explanation doesn't matter.

808
00:55:40,829 --> 00:55:44,819
But man did Robert Bigelow hit
the jackpot when he just got

809
00:55:44,819 --> 00:55:49,079
lucky, and was the only bidder
that allowed him to do

810
00:55:49,289 --> 00:55:53,519
paranormal funhouse research, or
was he tipped off? Now? Let's

811
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:59,489
face it, he was tipped off. You
can't get around that. If, if we

812
00:55:59,489 --> 00:56:02,939
want to believe otherwise,
that's fine. But there's no way

813
00:56:02,939 --> 00:56:07,919
that a DIA scientist a year
prior that then a year prior to

814
00:56:07,919 --> 00:56:11,009
this contract being awarded
calls, Robert Bigelow wants to

815
00:56:11,009 --> 00:56:14,339
go to Skinwalker Ranch has a
paranormal experience, comes

816
00:56:14,339 --> 00:56:19,979
back sets the deals in motion to
get word to Harry Reid $22

817
00:56:19,979 --> 00:56:23,279
million, comes out of nowhere,
and boom, this goes out for a

818
00:56:23,279 --> 00:56:28,349
public bid. And voila, bass is
the only bidder? No, the reality

819
00:56:28,349 --> 00:56:32,819
is he was tipped off and this
was catered to him. Another

820
00:56:32,819 --> 00:56:35,819
thing emerged too, while looking
at this book, and kind of going

821
00:56:35,819 --> 00:56:39,299
over the documentation. Again,
this is a copy of version number

822
00:56:39,299 --> 00:56:44,069
three of the official notice for
bid solutions solicitation.

823
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,130
Why I say version three is there
are three versions not a whole

824
00:56:50,130 --> 00:56:52,560
lot of difference. It changed a
couple of little details, but it

825
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,440
really didn't change the scope
of the of the program. They just

826
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,490
save all the revisions online,
on the black vault, comm search

827
00:56:59,490 --> 00:57:02,790
the search engine for OS app,
you will be able to download all

828
00:57:02,790 --> 00:57:06,330
of the different versions. I
have everything archived. But

829
00:57:06,330 --> 00:57:09,390
while doing this presentation,
this was the date that you'll

830
00:57:09,390 --> 00:57:13,680
notice here. Solicitation Issue
Date, August 18 2008. That's

831
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:18,360
when it went out. That is when
the DIA said, Hey, we want

832
00:57:18,420 --> 00:57:23,550
solicitations for this bit. The
due date was September 5. So

833
00:57:23,550 --> 00:57:26,490
pretty tight, you didn't have a
whole lot of time to submit for

834
00:57:26,490 --> 00:57:31,020
this bid arguable on whether or
not that standard or not, but

835
00:57:31,170 --> 00:57:33,990
irrelevant for my presentation
here. So we'll just call it

836
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:39,450
September 5. Those dates are
also backed up by sam.gov or

837
00:57:39,450 --> 00:57:42,450
which is now the find business
opportunities website. Believe

838
00:57:42,450 --> 00:57:46,680
sam.gov has been rebranded. But
this is the archived version. So

839
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,090
September 5 was the due date.
And of course, other websites as

840
00:57:51,090 --> 00:57:55,380
well. All archives all verify
September 5 was the due date.

841
00:57:55,380 --> 00:57:59,940
Now why do I say that? Well,
because the book has September

842
00:57:59,940 --> 00:58:04,470
10. So that could just be a
typo. But then in the appendix

843
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:09,000
on page 184. They talk about the
proposals that bast submitted to

844
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,120
the Defense Intelligence Agency
saying, hey, look, we're the guy

845
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:16,590
for you. They were submitted
three days after the due date.

846
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:19,320
What happened? They're not
really sure. But it's a

847
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,220
discrepancy worth noting,
because the due date was done.

848
00:58:23,220 --> 00:58:27,840
So nobody else was there. What
happened? I? I don't know, I

849
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,570
really don't have an answer to
it. But it's important

850
00:58:30,570 --> 00:58:33,480
nonetheless. This was the
statement of objectives. This

851
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,350
was the essentially what OS app
was all about. This also is from

852
00:58:37,350 --> 00:58:40,950
that version three document. No
mention a paranormal, no mention

853
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:47,190
of, you know, UFOs or anything
in that genre. It was all about

854
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:52,410
looking at advanced aerospace
technology, and forward looking

855
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:57,450
into the 40 years into the
future, looking at various lift,

856
00:58:57,450 --> 00:59:03,210
propulsion, so on and so forth,
on how things essentially could

857
00:59:03,210 --> 00:59:08,580
progress. And that's what this
was supposedly all about. In

858
00:59:08,580 --> 00:59:11,850
that same document from the get
go. The program manager or the

859
00:59:11,850 --> 00:59:16,110
contracting officer was Dr.
James McCaskey, the same guy

860
00:59:16,110 --> 00:59:18,930
that visited Skinwalker Ranch
and reached out to Bigelow

861
00:59:18,930 --> 00:59:23,280
Aerospace the year prior. So,
you know, it seems like it was

862
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,510
kind of set up and in the book
goes into even more detail about

863
00:59:27,540 --> 00:59:31,710
how Dr. McCaskey was
instrumental in that. So if we

864
00:59:31,710 --> 00:59:34,800
haven't really figured out that
this was catered for bass and

865
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,120
Robert Bigelow yet, I'm not sure
how else to put it. But this

866
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:43,650
book solidifies that fact. Now
here's kind of a timeline of

867
00:59:43,650 --> 00:59:48,450
events. Some points are review.
Some points are new, but this is

868
00:59:48,450 --> 00:59:52,890
how it all unfolded March of
2007 le Caskey read hunt for the

869
00:59:52,890 --> 00:59:56,310
Skinwalker. The next month.
McCaskey meets in the defense

870
00:59:56,310 --> 01:00:01,020
warning office with Jonathan
Axelrod believed Just a nickname

871
01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:05,340
to talk about tales of the
paranormal He is within the DWR

872
01:00:05,370 --> 01:00:08,940
was within the DIA or Defense
Intelligence Agency. Axelrod

873
01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:12,300
takes the book to Iraq while
deployed somehow that you know,

874
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:17,580
gets the ball in motion that all
of this was, you know real. June

875
01:00:17,610 --> 01:00:21,510
19 2007. McCaskey writes to
Robert Bigelow on dia letterhead

876
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:25,710
to ask to visit his ranch. Now,
remember when I told you to put

877
01:00:25,710 --> 01:00:31,980
a pin in that doctor put off?
Quote, and then later Elizondo

878
01:00:31,980 --> 01:00:34,230
had a 2007 start date for us
app?

879
01:00:36,210 --> 01:00:41,550
That was all June of 2007, when
they said that it started. So is

880
01:00:41,550 --> 01:00:45,270
this the start of OS app? Did
they did they already start

881
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:49,170
putting money towards Bigelow?
Did they already choose him? Why

882
01:00:49,170 --> 01:00:53,100
are multiple key players
involved saying 2007 contract

883
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:57,870
wasn't awarded until more than a
year later? And according to you

884
01:00:57,870 --> 01:01:02,460
know, reports, they weren't
aware of it. They were just the

885
01:01:02,460 --> 01:01:06,720
lucky bidder. So how did all
that happen? And how is it

886
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,570
connected? Not really sure, but
it was an interesting date

887
01:01:09,570 --> 01:01:13,380
correlation when going through
the book. The next month, July

888
01:01:13,410 --> 01:01:17,220
26 2007, McCaskey and Bigelow
fly to Utah to visit his ranch.

889
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,340
Within 60 minutes of being on
the property lockouts, he had

890
01:01:20,340 --> 01:01:24,150
paranormal experiences seeing,
quote, an earthly technological

891
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:27,630
device that had quote silently
appeared out of nowhere in the

892
01:01:27,630 --> 01:01:31,680
adjacent kitchen. It looked to
be a complex, semi opaque,

893
01:01:31,710 --> 01:01:35,790
yellowish, tubular structure
that's page 39 and 40 for those

894
01:01:35,790 --> 01:01:40,440
who have the book in 2007, as
well, but it's an unknown month,

895
01:01:40,590 --> 01:01:44,790
but we know that it's post LoCat
skis ranch visit. Bigelow

896
01:01:44,790 --> 01:01:49,410
briefed long term friend as the
book calls him, Senator Harry

897
01:01:49,410 --> 01:01:53,460
Reid on extraordinary history of
UAPs at the UAP at the Utah

898
01:01:53,460 --> 01:01:57,030
Ranch, excuse me, as well on the
recent astounding experience by

899
01:01:57,030 --> 01:02:01,380
a high level dia analyst on the
same Ranch, it did not take long

900
01:02:01,380 --> 01:02:04,470
to connect Jim McCaskey with
senators Daniel Inouye, of

901
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:08,160
Hawaii and Ted Stevens of Alaska
in a capital building meeting.

902
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,140
January of 2008. I tracked down
the documentation, the

903
01:02:13,140 --> 01:02:16,680
documentation from the Nevada
secretary of state that shows

904
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,820
that Bigelow Aerospace advanced
space studies or bass, as it was

905
01:02:20,850 --> 01:02:26,220
formed as a domestic Limited
Liability Company. In Nevada. It

906
01:02:26,220 --> 01:02:31,920
was reported as well, Bass was
set up only for OS app, the OS

907
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,850
app contract, if that's the
case, seems like he had prior

908
01:02:35,850 --> 01:02:39,150
knowledge. If that's not the
case, heck of a coincidence.

909
01:02:39,660 --> 01:02:43,050
August 2008. Os app bid
solicitation notice is published

910
01:02:43,050 --> 01:02:47,520
in the biz ops website.
September 5, os app bids were

911
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,750
due September 8, bass proposal
volumes one, two or three were

912
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:56,340
submitted. And September
22 2008, the OS app contract was

913
01:02:56,370 --> 01:03:00,540
issued to bass. I know I spent a
lot of time on the sweetheart

914
01:03:00,540 --> 01:03:04,920
deal, but that frames what we
are dealing with, and in my book

915
01:03:04,980 --> 01:03:10,800
absolutely closes the deal. When
it comes to the sweetheart deal,

916
01:03:10,860 --> 01:03:15,630
argument, does that negate the
findings? No. But where are the

917
01:03:15,630 --> 01:03:19,950
findings? And that question
still lingers to this day.

918
01:03:21,660 --> 01:03:24,630
Those findings could be in the
reports that a lot of people are

919
01:03:24,660 --> 01:03:28,350
now referring to James the cat's
keys chapter in chapter three of

920
01:03:28,350 --> 01:03:31,830
the book, voluminous, high
quality material more than 100

921
01:03:31,830 --> 01:03:35,010
separate reports as detailed in
appendix one was submitted to

922
01:03:35,010 --> 01:03:38,400
the DIA in just over two years
of the program's existence. In

923
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,150
addition, the 11 databases
within the ASA bass data

924
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:46,050
warehouse, were delivered to dia
while the massive holdings of

925
01:03:46,050 --> 01:03:50,670
the original analysts journals,
data and photographs remained in

926
01:03:50,670 --> 01:03:53,910
storage. Now, those databases
I'll talk about in a couple of

927
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:56,850
minutes, but we have yet to
refer to them in this

928
01:03:56,850 --> 01:04:01,560
presentation. In short, bass is
said to have created 11

929
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,890
different databases all
encompassing UFO, UAP, UFO

930
01:04:04,890 --> 01:04:09,420
events, witness testimony, all
sorts of material. That's what

931
01:04:09,420 --> 01:04:12,840
those 11 databases are. But
don't worry, I'll get to those.

932
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,690
A lot of those reports are
probably spelled out in that

933
01:04:15,690 --> 01:04:18,960
original bid solicitation
notice. So a lot of it I'm not

934
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,130
sure is it being framed to be
much more interesting than it is

935
01:04:23,370 --> 01:04:27,120
these types of reports like, you
know, management plans for

936
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:31,140
different tasks, travel reports,
expenses, so on and so forth,

937
01:04:31,140 --> 01:04:34,590
all due for contracts like this.
But is that what he's talking

938
01:04:34,590 --> 01:04:37,890
about with the hundreds of
reports? I don't really know

939
01:04:37,890 --> 01:04:41,100
because the only thing we do
know, came through a Freedom of

940
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:44,190
Information Act request. I did
and I know that the federal

941
01:04:45,210 --> 01:04:49,860
Federation excuse me of American
scientists or FAS, Steven

942
01:04:49,860 --> 01:04:55,080
afterGood, to be precise, they
as well had a case ongoing as

943
01:04:55,080 --> 01:05:01,170
did I for the and I'll read it
here. Are all communications to

944
01:05:01,170 --> 01:05:05,070
and from the DIA with the Armed
Services Committee in 2017 and

945
01:05:05,070 --> 01:05:09,270
2018. Regarding the advanced
aviation and at this time when I

946
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:12,840
filed that's how the government
referred to it. Advanced

947
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,600
aviation threat Identification
Program, or were referred to as

948
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,630
the advanced aerospace threat
Identification Program, or

949
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:21,390
referred to as the advanced
aerospace threat and

950
01:05:21,390 --> 01:05:25,590
identification program. That was
Harry Reid's version. The result

951
01:05:25,590 --> 01:05:30,840
was a letter that was written to
John McCain in January of 2018.

952
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:34,980
And this is where we discovered
the reality of the dird reports.

953
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:40,770
And those dird reports where the
38 reports that were created

954
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,400
under the OS app contract, I'm
going to read to you part of

955
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:48,510
this letter because one word is
key. Based on interest from your

956
01:05:48,510 --> 01:05:53,400
staff regarding the DIA is role
in a tip, please find attached a

957
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:58,050
list of all products produced
under the a tip contract for dia

958
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,980
to publish. The purpose of a tip
was to investigate foreign

959
01:06:01,980 --> 01:06:05,790
advanced aerospace weapon
threats from the present out to

960
01:06:05,790 --> 01:06:11,280
the next 40 years. And again, we
know 38 reports were given. I

961
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,250
dug it up in the congressional
record log. Also in April of

962
01:06:14,250 --> 01:06:21,090
2018. They also punched the
published word, a letter from

963
01:06:21,090 --> 01:06:23,100
the chief Congressional
Relations Division Defense

964
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:26,250
Intelligence Agency DoD
transmitting a list of all

965
01:06:26,250 --> 01:06:28,860
products produced under the
advanced aerospace threat

966
01:06:28,890 --> 01:06:33,960
Identification Program contract
for the DIA to publish to the

967
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,200
committee of arms armed
services. So I was able to kind

968
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,630
of dig up that this letter was
referred to in official

969
01:06:39,630 --> 01:06:43,080
congressional record, they
received these three pages,

970
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:50,100
which listed all 38 reports. So
that is a breakdown of the

971
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:56,010
published reports through a tip
notice how the letter didn't say

972
01:06:56,010 --> 01:06:58,920
all SAP now why not if a tip was
just a nickname when it came to

973
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:05,670
dia on paper that meant nothing
to really anybody when it came

974
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:10,050
to funding to a senator and so
on. So is this the same thing

975
01:07:10,050 --> 01:07:12,810
that they're trying to keep it
secret? Or is there another

976
01:07:12,810 --> 01:07:16,680
layer here that we haven't
really understood, but OS app

977
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,460
was not involved? It should be
noted, however, that this does

978
01:07:20,460 --> 01:07:23,850
kind of coincide with the
Pentagon's explanation that a

979
01:07:23,850 --> 01:07:28,110
tip was the overall program. And
the portion that was contracted

980
01:07:28,110 --> 01:07:33,870
out was known as OS app. Now,
according to McCaskey OS app was

981
01:07:33,870 --> 01:07:38,310
the program a tip was kind of a
nickname. And then when you talk

982
01:07:38,310 --> 01:07:43,830
to Luis Elizondo OS app was a
DIA program and a tip was a DoD

983
01:07:43,830 --> 01:07:44,430
program.

984
01:07:45,780 --> 01:07:50,310
You know, quite a few different
definitions Dr. Hal put off also

985
01:07:50,460 --> 01:07:55,830
just calls it a nickname. So who
do you believe on that one? Not

986
01:07:55,830 --> 01:08:00,000
really sure. But there's a lot
of question marks here. Just

987
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:05,610
kind of a quick side note about
some history here all SAP as a

988
01:08:05,610 --> 01:08:09,150
whole as a program looking at
forward looking technology and

989
01:08:09,150 --> 01:08:12,510
what might be there isn't
anything new. I had dug up this

990
01:08:12,540 --> 01:08:17,400
program from 1972 called Project
outgrowth, it was headed by a

991
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,120
Franklin B, Mead, and run
through the Air Force Rocket

992
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,630
Propulsion Laboratory. In
essence, they were looking at

993
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:28,680
major propulsion developments
that may occur in the next 30 to

994
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,070
40 years. It was a forward
looking program very much like

995
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:34,950
aw SAP and essentially what they
were looking for. Were

996
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:38,940
advancements in propulsion, one
of the same exact angles of

997
01:08:38,940 --> 01:08:43,860
study for us AP, and how it make
progress over the next 30 to 40

998
01:08:43,860 --> 01:08:48,240
years. Ironically, os AP was
labeled as through the next 40

999
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:55,290
years, do the math from 1972.
You're looking at about 35 years

1000
01:08:55,290 --> 01:08:59,850
or so after project outgrowth,
that OS app was essentially

1001
01:08:59,850 --> 01:09:04,680
conceived and born out. So it's
a very interesting maybe just a

1002
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,790
coincidence correlation that
this program preceded OS app was

1003
01:09:08,790 --> 01:09:13,380
very much looking at very
similar things and had a very

1004
01:09:13,380 --> 01:09:18,000
similar timeframe of 40 years
looking into the future. You'll

1005
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,510
see number nine here in the
1970s program was looking at

1006
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:25,620
actually how you can propel a
ship using your mind or

1007
01:09:25,620 --> 01:09:29,700
psychokinesis. They labeled it
as movement of objects by mental

1008
01:09:29,700 --> 01:09:32,100
forces, although recent
developments indicate small

1009
01:09:32,100 --> 01:09:36,000
object may be propelled by this
technique. Too much basic

1010
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,760
research is needed before this
method can be considered for

1011
01:09:38,940 --> 01:09:42,960
propulsion applications. So they
were looking at incredibly

1012
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:48,840
fringe areas of science as well.
And so now that the Pentagon has

1013
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:53,580
kind of revamped their
statement, did did Bigelow

1014
01:09:53,580 --> 01:09:58,380
insert UFOs in very much a
similar fashion, and then that's

1015
01:09:58,380 --> 01:10:01,350
where the confusion comes from.
Or was this that sweetheart

1016
01:10:01,350 --> 01:10:05,040
deal? And it was something else
entirely on paper? It was, yeah,

1017
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,640
let's do some research into lift
and propulsion and so on and so

1018
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:13,950
forth. Materials and whatever
the other 3800 reports are. But

1019
01:10:13,950 --> 01:10:17,940
in reality, all that money went
to paranormal, you know, cryptid

1020
01:10:17,940 --> 01:10:27,270
research, which is bizarre. A
lot of you asked about Dr. Eric

1021
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:31,800
Davis today, and whether or not
you know, he's he really briefed

1022
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,890
in a classified setting about
offworld vehicles. I'll deal

1023
01:10:34,890 --> 01:10:37,500
with that in a second. But one
interesting thing when when

1024
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:41,130
looking at Project outgrowth,
and Franklin Meade, as I told

1025
01:10:41,130 --> 01:10:46,470
you about, this is how tightly
niched these these scientists

1026
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:50,550
and this research is. And this
may mean absolutely nothing. But

1027
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:54,540
I kind of found it a little bit
fascinating that this these

1028
01:10:54,570 --> 01:10:57,750
documents and programs were
separated by decades, and

1029
01:10:57,750 --> 01:11:02,070
decades. Yet, when you start
digging in, here is a ball

1030
01:11:02,070 --> 01:11:05,730
lightning study that was awarded
to warp drive metrics. That is

1031
01:11:05,730 --> 01:11:10,140
the company for this man here,
Dr. Eric Davis. Now we know that

1032
01:11:10,140 --> 01:11:15,180
he wrote five of those dirt
reports I showed you all 38. He

1033
01:11:15,390 --> 01:11:19,650
had written five of them, he was
contracted by his pal, doctor

1034
01:11:19,650 --> 01:11:23,940
how put off and for an untold
amount of money. And he authored

1035
01:11:23,940 --> 01:11:28,170
these five derd reports. What's
interesting about this ball

1036
01:11:28,170 --> 01:11:31,110
lightning study, though this was
outside of OS apps, I had

1037
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:34,920
nothing to do with that was
written in 2003. But was really

1038
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:39,930
interesting was the project
manager on Eric Davis, his ball

1039
01:11:39,930 --> 01:11:43,440
lightning study, which was
Franklin made the same guy that

1040
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:48,150
did that OS app like program
decades prior. And in fact, if

1041
01:11:48,150 --> 01:11:52,260
you continue to dig, you'll see
that Eric Davis and Franklin

1042
01:11:52,260 --> 01:11:57,270
meet, then later, would author a
document together about laser

1043
01:11:57,270 --> 01:12:01,290
light, crash propulsion. Now all
of this is well over my head

1044
01:12:01,290 --> 01:12:05,280
when it comes to science. But
very interesting that number 31,

1045
01:12:05,310 --> 01:12:09,720
on the 38 list was about laser
light craft technology authored

1046
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:14,580
by Dr. Eric Davis. So you can
see how tightly niched all of

1047
01:12:14,580 --> 01:12:18,630
these people and these realms of
research really were. And when

1048
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:22,470
you dig, you see that they
really are connected in the most

1049
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:26,700
bizarre way. Now, back to your
questions about did he briefed

1050
01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:30,810
Congress about offworld
vehicles. Now, for those who

1051
01:12:30,810 --> 01:12:35,280
aren't aware I did a full video
about offworld vehicle

1052
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:39,450
technology, and the claims made
by the New York Times and that

1053
01:12:39,540 --> 01:12:40,770
horrific

1054
01:12:42,180 --> 01:12:46,200
journalism job that was later
corrected on numerous fronts,

1055
01:12:46,350 --> 01:12:49,500
they also made corrections that
they never noted. I go through

1056
01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:53,580
that in the video. And I'll be
honest with you, I do not

1057
01:12:53,580 --> 01:12:58,710
believe the claims by Eric Davis
that he briefed in a classified

1058
01:12:58,710 --> 01:13:01,890
setting or otherwise, about
offworld vehicles. He may have

1059
01:13:01,890 --> 01:13:06,060
had a meeting, he may have sat
with a senator Congressman House

1060
01:13:06,060 --> 01:13:10,380
of Representatives, whomever,
committee even and maybe had a

1061
01:13:10,380 --> 01:13:13,470
meeting. I don't buy that it was
a class of in a classified

1062
01:13:13,470 --> 01:13:16,920
setting. And I don't buy that he
was really driving the point

1063
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,490
home about quote unquote
offworld vehicles. Simply put,

1064
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,850
the existence of offworld
vehicles would be a highly

1065
01:13:23,850 --> 01:13:27,900
classified piece of knowledge.
We all know that. There's no

1066
01:13:27,900 --> 01:13:31,680
getting away from it. If it
wasn't an ace, a tip or a SAP or

1067
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,010
whatever really did find it. And
it was unclassified in nature.

1068
01:13:35,010 --> 01:13:38,340
You better bet your bottom
dollar that Robert Bigelow Luis

1069
01:13:38,340 --> 01:13:42,030
Elizondo, James McCaskey, or any
one of those players would have

1070
01:13:42,030 --> 01:13:45,450
talked about it and confirmed it
by now. But they haven't all we

1071
01:13:45,450 --> 01:13:49,530
get are these shrouded,
convoluted cloak and dagger

1072
01:13:49,530 --> 01:13:52,590
type, you know, fun stories that
may allude to it, but we never

1073
01:13:52,590 --> 01:13:56,070
get the confirmation. So let's
say it really does exist. The

1074
01:13:56,070 --> 01:14:00,270
government military has off road
vehicles. Well, let's face it,

1075
01:14:00,270 --> 01:14:03,750
it would be highly classified
and no, they would not be

1076
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:07,530
talking about it or publishing
it in the New York Times. And

1077
01:14:07,530 --> 01:14:10,200
the mess that became of that
article with all of the

1078
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:14,760
corrections. I think we can all
dismissed the notion and no, I

1079
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:20,220
don't believe Dr. Eric Davis is
as connected as some people want

1080
01:14:20,220 --> 01:14:24,090
us to believe I wanted to
address that though, because of

1081
01:14:24,090 --> 01:14:28,590
so many questions I got today on
social media about it. Those 11

1082
01:14:28,590 --> 01:14:30,990
databases that were created,
this is one of the last things

1083
01:14:30,990 --> 01:14:33,750
that I'm going to go over for
you guys and timing wise, it's

1084
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:38,220
working out pretty perfect. The
data warehouse, that they

1085
01:14:38,220 --> 01:14:43,200
created these 11 databases,
again, was a culmination of UFO

1086
01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:46,590
sightings and witness testimony,
hopefully, you know, photos,

1087
01:14:46,590 --> 01:14:49,830
videos, whatever they may be,
but just it sounds like a

1088
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:53,640
massive amount of data. Now,
where is that data? According to

1089
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,090
the book, they turned at least
part of it over to the DIA. But

1090
01:14:57,090 --> 01:15:00,600
the question mark is where is it
now? Is it classified And if it

1091
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,300
is, how can you classify
something that came from the

1092
01:15:03,300 --> 01:15:06,630
general public? Which is what
Dr. McCaskey said they were

1093
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:10,860
looking into. So if I take a
picture of video of a UFO, and

1094
01:15:10,860 --> 01:15:15,000
it's not a top secret aircraft,
it is not taken by classified

1095
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:19,860
technology and I am nowhere near
a government or military, either

1096
01:15:19,860 --> 01:15:24,270
employee or enlistee? Can they
classify it? And then the

1097
01:15:24,270 --> 01:15:27,630
question from or, excuse me, I
think the answer to that

1098
01:15:27,630 --> 01:15:31,470
question would be no. So the now
the question is, where is all

1099
01:15:31,470 --> 01:15:36,840
that data? And we have
absolutely no idea. I was

1100
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:45,480
unaware, and maybe I just missed
it. That the number of databases

1101
01:15:45,480 --> 01:15:50,460
total 11. I was only aware of
one and the one database or at

1102
01:15:50,460 --> 01:15:53,850
least the start of the database
anyway, that I was well aware of

1103
01:15:53,850 --> 01:15:57,180
that really I don't see enough
people talking about is the move

1104
01:15:57,180 --> 01:16:00,060
on database that that has
collected for decades upon

1105
01:16:00,060 --> 01:16:00,630
decades.

1106
01:16:02,850 --> 01:16:07,440
Material and, and sightings and
photos and videos, and so on and

1107
01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:11,520
so forth. Witness Testimony, but
on top of that their personal

1108
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,700
and confidential information,
all went into this massive

1109
01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:18,750
database that was purchased by
Robert Bigelow, back around the

1110
01:16:18,780 --> 01:16:25,920
2008 2009 timeframe. In fact,
the actual contract that Bigelow

1111
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,170
and move on signed with each
other has no mention of a

1112
01:16:28,170 --> 01:16:32,280
government program, or Defense
Intelligence Agency or so on.

1113
01:16:32,490 --> 01:16:37,830
All we learned from the leak of
this contract by a move on

1114
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:41,580
member the late Elaine Douglas.
She brought this out in January

1115
01:16:41,580 --> 01:16:46,920
of 2011. Prior to ever knowing
about OSS apparatus, or bass,

1116
01:16:47,310 --> 01:16:49,950
being involved with the
government, we learned that it

1117
01:16:49,950 --> 01:16:58,530
was for the sum of $672,000 that
move on God, it made payable in

1118
01:16:58,530 --> 01:17:04,920
12 installments of $56,000. That
that is what Robert Bigelow got

1119
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:09,990
into. Now, I want to point out
because there's a lot to this

1120
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:12,660
story. And I'm not going to go
into all of it for a couple

1121
01:17:12,660 --> 01:17:15,870
different reasons. But I will
point you to this website here

1122
01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:18,390
by Roger Glassell and Kurt
Collins, I believe it's Kurt's

1123
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:22,230
website, but the article itself,
the Pentagon, UFO programs,

1124
01:17:22,260 --> 01:17:26,820
secret partner, they both
authored that, and that is at

1125
01:17:26,820 --> 01:17:31,710
Blue, blurry lines.com. Look it
up, they do a lot of research

1126
01:17:31,710 --> 01:17:35,490
and a big deep dive into it, I
am not going to do the same. I'm

1127
01:17:35,490 --> 01:17:37,800
just going to brush the surface
and ask you guys a couple of

1128
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,640
questions. Because I think a lot
of people are really not dealing

1129
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:46,680
with this. Now we made a we were
all kind of made aware of this

1130
01:17:46,710 --> 01:17:50,340
in 2009. And you'll see it's
kind of a blurry picture. This

1131
01:17:50,340 --> 01:17:53,430
is the best image I can find of
it this much younger and

1132
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:57,510
skinnier version of myself. I
was the emcee of musanze

1133
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:02,250
International Symposium for
about a decade. At the time,

1134
01:18:02,250 --> 01:18:05,850
this man here was James carry
on. He was the international

1135
01:18:05,850 --> 01:18:09,900
director of move on. And here we
have Robert Bigelow. And we know

1136
01:18:09,900 --> 01:18:14,100
Robert Bigelow had invested into
move on, in turn, they created I

1137
01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:16,560
believe this was the origin of
their star team, but essentially

1138
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:21,330
they were looking for when those
UFO reports came in, and the

1139
01:18:21,330 --> 01:18:23,940
photos, the videos, whatever.
And they went into move on,

1140
01:18:23,940 --> 01:18:27,030
which was the number one place
for people to report, guess who

1141
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:31,140
had first dibs on them. Robert
Bigelow, but what was not known

1142
01:18:31,140 --> 01:18:35,010
to the general public at the
time, was that it was just being

1143
01:18:35,010 --> 01:18:39,750
funneled right back in to the
Defense Intelligence Agency, a

1144
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:49,260
military run intelligence
agency. So that is one of the

1145
01:18:49,260 --> 01:18:53,340
biggest aspects to this story,
that I think we should start

1146
01:18:53,340 --> 01:18:58,890
pushing on that how can a
military arm of our intelligence

1147
01:18:58,890 --> 01:19:05,100
community, the DIA, want to get
into watching what United States

1148
01:19:05,100 --> 01:19:10,320
citizens see then keeping that
information but never informing

1149
01:19:10,530 --> 01:19:16,830
the general public? How much of
this gets into very dicey areas?

1150
01:19:17,010 --> 01:19:21,990
And my first guess, would be a
lot of it. Yet, I don't see a

1151
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:26,430
whole lot of people talking
about this. And to me, I will I

1152
01:19:26,430 --> 01:19:30,720
will just pose this question.
Did the DIA even want this? If

1153
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:35,670
this was not part of OS app,
then what problems does this

1154
01:19:35,670 --> 01:19:40,740
create that taxpayer money
through a private corporation

1155
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:47,310
acquired all of that personal
information? Now this gentleman

1156
01:19:47,310 --> 01:19:50,340
right here, James carry on who
I've known for many, many years,

1157
01:19:50,730 --> 01:19:55,740
wrote a big expose a on this
that has since been removed. But

1158
01:19:55,740 --> 01:19:58,890
you can find it here if you're
watching the video on this

1159
01:19:58,890 --> 01:20:02,970
internet archive link Follow the
magic thread was his blog.

1160
01:20:03,690 --> 01:20:06,780
Strange bedfellows was the
article. Here's two things that

1161
01:20:06,780 --> 01:20:10,710
he wrote. Mr. Bigelow did not
fund move funds work for bass.

1162
01:20:10,770 --> 01:20:14,460
Instead, quote sponsors that
Bigelow revealed to John

1163
01:20:14,460 --> 01:20:19,140
Schuessler, who's the one of the
founders of move on, but not to

1164
01:20:19,140 --> 01:20:23,550
other move on board members put
up the money that sponsor the

1165
01:20:23,550 --> 01:20:28,290
Defense Intelligence Agency. So
is this alleging that the DIA,

1166
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:32,910
again, that intelligence arm of
the United States military put

1167
01:20:32,910 --> 01:20:37,320
money into purchase all of that
information? And if so, what

1168
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:41,040
ramifications could occur from
that? Another thing you wrote

1169
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,920
during the project move on
provided both historical move on

1170
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:48,030
files, as well as current move
on case files, including witness

1171
01:20:48,030 --> 01:20:52,800
information Tabas. To cover move
on legally, the move on UFO

1172
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,800
reporting form was modified to
collect the witnesses permission

1173
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:59,280
to offer their citing data to a
third party, the only third

1174
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,490
party being bass. But what
happened before that

1175
01:21:02,490 --> 01:21:06,270
modification took place? All of
those other people who felt that

1176
01:21:06,330 --> 01:21:10,020
government bad I see UFO I go to
move on because they're good.

1177
01:21:10,410 --> 01:21:14,280
All of a sudden just had all of
their information taken and

1178
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:20,070
given right to the United States
government. How is any of that

1179
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:25,530
Kosher or Okay? And what makes
sense is that the government

1180
01:21:25,530 --> 01:21:30,120
would not do this. Because
another big problem about all of

1181
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,720
this is that none of it fits
into the purview of the defense

1182
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,960
intelligence agency's mission.
When you look at what the DIA

1183
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:41,190
does, they don't investigate us
properties in Utah that allege

1184
01:21:41,190 --> 01:21:44,970
paranormal activity. Because
that's not what they do. They're

1185
01:21:44,970 --> 01:21:47,880
an intelligence arm that
provides mostly foreign

1186
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,600
intelligence on different types
of countries, and so on and so

1187
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:55,260
forth. So why would they care
about this? Now, they argued

1188
01:21:55,260 --> 01:21:59,010
that it was the FBI, a domestic
law enforcement agency, and they

1189
01:21:59,010 --> 01:22:04,620
tied in potential criminal
activity that in turn, kind of

1190
01:22:04,620 --> 01:22:08,790
research some of that paranormal
activity. Okay, I can see that.

1191
01:22:09,060 --> 01:22:12,840
But that's not the story. This
is a military intelligence arm.

1192
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:17,970
That, again, is the DIA. I don't
want to go farther than that to

1193
01:22:17,970 --> 01:22:21,870
be blatantly honest, because
there's way too much that you

1194
01:22:21,870 --> 01:22:25,620
can get into about the
purchasing of United States

1195
01:22:25,650 --> 01:22:31,620
citizen information in relation
to UFOs and UAPs, in what they

1196
01:22:31,650 --> 01:22:36,750
thought was a confidential
submission to a corporation,

1197
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:41,310
known as move on. I will let all
of you start asking those

1198
01:22:41,310 --> 01:22:44,340
questions. But I hope what what
this

1199
01:22:45,780 --> 01:22:51,060
presentation showed you is that
there is a lot of unanswered

1200
01:22:51,060 --> 01:22:54,690
questions, and I didn't even
scratch the surface. You can

1201
01:22:54,690 --> 01:22:57,810
look at the statements,
interviews, and so on, have

1202
01:22:57,810 --> 01:23:00,600
quite a few of these key
players. And you can see how the

1203
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:04,560
stories have shifted over time.
I call it like a fine wine. In

1204
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:08,550
some areas, the stories get
better with age. So what's going

1205
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:12,570
on? Why? Why are we going
through this? Now, some I saw

1206
01:23:12,570 --> 01:23:14,880
somebody mentioned on Twitter
today, why does it matter at

1207
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,330
this point, you know, we've got
the UAP Task Force, and they're

1208
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,840
looking at UFOs. And all of that
is good. And you know what that

1209
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:26,670
part is good. And if this is
what this has, has kind of

1210
01:23:26,730 --> 01:23:31,830
morphed into, then great. I love
that the taskforce is there, the

1211
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:36,450
phenomena deserves that scrutiny
and funding, as I said, but in

1212
01:23:36,450 --> 01:23:40,170
the same respect, we have to
look at the root of all of this.

1213
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,830
And we have to look at what
really have we been told in the

1214
01:23:43,830 --> 01:23:48,960
last few years, and how not only
this book, but simple research,

1215
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:55,140
and looking into the claims by
many of these people makes a lot

1216
01:23:55,140 --> 01:23:59,550
of this fall apart. Some of it
are dead horses that we've beat

1217
01:23:59,550 --> 01:24:02,190
for a couple of years now, we'll
probably never have answers.

1218
01:24:02,670 --> 01:24:07,200
Other parts of this stems from
the publishing of this book, and

1219
01:24:07,230 --> 01:24:11,550
the revelation by a new voice,
an old name, but a new voice

1220
01:24:11,550 --> 01:24:14,970
that is now in the ring. And
some of the claims he has made

1221
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:19,800
really throw a lot of this for
the loop for a loop. And so when

1222
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:24,750
we look at all of that, in the
end, we have more questions than

1223
01:24:24,750 --> 01:24:30,240
answers. We have no idea what
that program discovered. Because

1224
01:24:30,270 --> 01:24:34,350
in this book, I don't have any I
didn't see any scientific test

1225
01:24:34,350 --> 01:24:40,440
results that shows that the DIA
shows a DNA evidence of a dyno

1226
01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:44,400
Beaver, or the fact that there's
some kind of portal within

1227
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:49,410
Skinwalker Ranch or that you
UFOs and UAPs are miraculously

1228
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:53,160
skirting all of our coastal
defense lines and somehow

1229
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:57,360
appearing over this ranch. I
don't see that. I see a lot of

1230
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:00,930
speculation. I see some great
scientists A heck of a lot

1231
01:25:00,930 --> 01:25:04,530
smarter than me. But where are
the results? Because if the

1232
01:25:04,530 --> 01:25:09,000
United States taxpayer funded
this, those results are ours.

1233
01:25:09,420 --> 01:25:13,230
And they're ours to share and
nobody owns them. This was a

1234
01:25:13,230 --> 01:25:19,230
contract all SAP was a contract,
not a grant. And with that being

1235
01:25:19,230 --> 01:25:23,370
said, there's no rhyme or reason
if it's not classified, and it's

1236
01:25:23,370 --> 01:25:28,140
not a breach of personal
confidential information, that

1237
01:25:28,140 --> 01:25:33,540
we should not see it. So this is
what in my opinion, should

1238
01:25:33,540 --> 01:25:37,980
happen next. We need somebody
that is intimately involved in

1239
01:25:37,980 --> 01:25:43,470
this to say that the results are
classified the results. And if

1240
01:25:43,470 --> 01:25:47,640
they can't say that, why not?
Because if they truly are that

1241
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:52,260
classified, we wouldn't have
ever heard about OS app or a

1242
01:25:52,260 --> 01:25:57,600
tip. And that is proven by
history over time that highly

1243
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,260
classified programs, whether it
be stealth technology, drones,

1244
01:26:01,500 --> 01:26:07,800
whatever, the mere existence of
a program that encompasses top

1245
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:11,520
secret technology, classified
technology, or whatever the mere

1246
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,790
existence of it is classified,
you wouldn't be talking about

1247
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:20,490
it. So what is it, we need more
clarity? And at this point, I

1248
01:26:20,490 --> 01:26:23,880
don't know who's telling the
truth or not. I know who returns

1249
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,810
my phone calls. I know who is
nice, I but that doesn't make

1250
01:26:27,810 --> 01:26:31,410
them honest. But I know who is
nice. I know who I found common

1251
01:26:31,410 --> 01:26:35,310
ground with. And I know who
dodges me. I believe that these

1252
01:26:35,310 --> 01:26:38,520
types of questions that I put
forward here in the last,

1253
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:42,870
whatever it's been an hour and a
half or so these types of

1254
01:26:42,870 --> 01:26:48,450
questions have to be answered.
This is not as clear cut, as

1255
01:26:48,450 --> 01:26:53,700
some people want us to believe
this is not as kosher, as some

1256
01:26:53,700 --> 01:26:57,510
people want us to believe. And
it's not as clean as some people

1257
01:26:57,510 --> 01:27:01,830
want us to believe it is a mess.
And it's a mess, because of the

1258
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:05,460
main people and players involved
that have come out with their

1259
01:27:05,460 --> 01:27:09,360
respective stories. And the fact
that none of them align that

1260
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:12,690
they all have contradicting
information. And again, some of

1261
01:27:12,690 --> 01:27:16,110
those are dead horses, I've beat
for quite some time. And some of

1262
01:27:16,110 --> 01:27:21,000
this is new, but it hasn't gone
away. But I fall back on that

1263
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,030
one point that I'll punch one
more time before I say

1264
01:27:24,030 --> 01:27:27,930
goodnight. And that is if the
United States taxpayer funded

1265
01:27:27,930 --> 01:27:31,470
this, then the results are ours.
And if somebody wants to say

1266
01:27:31,470 --> 01:27:34,890
those results are there, but are
classified, then let's get

1267
01:27:34,890 --> 01:27:38,940
together work as a team, and try
and band together and get those

1268
01:27:38,940 --> 01:27:42,480
results out. If there are no
results, then it was a waste of

1269
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:47,190
$22 million. Because they were
running around looking at dyno

1270
01:27:47,190 --> 01:27:54,870
beavers, and man like wolves, or
whatever else. That all could be

1271
01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:58,770
very cool stuff. And I love
that. But it's not dia money.

1272
01:27:58,950 --> 01:28:02,520
It's just not that would be
better served with let's say,

1273
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:06,600
the National Science Foundation
or somewhere else. And that

1274
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:10,050
portion of the research, should
there be anything to be borne

1275
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:13,080
out should be through those
agencies, and scientific

1276
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:16,380
findings should be shared with
the general public. But instead,

1277
01:28:16,530 --> 01:28:19,290
we get these cloak and dagger
type stories, convoluted

1278
01:28:19,290 --> 01:28:23,550
statements, and very few people
want to talk but when they do

1279
01:28:23,550 --> 01:28:28,650
talk, they only talk to a very
few people. And it ends up being

1280
01:28:28,650 --> 01:28:35,940
a mess in the end. Anyway. So
that, to me, is why with OSs and

1281
01:28:35,940 --> 01:28:41,550
a tip, confusion reigns, and
questions still linger. And

1282
01:28:41,550 --> 01:28:44,610
until we get some of those
answers and until some people

1283
01:28:44,610 --> 01:28:50,010
want to talk, none of this is
going away. And more, I believe

1284
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:51,690
will come out and arise.

1285
01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:57,840
I will say this one last time.
But I do believe that everybody

1286
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,440
should have all the information
possible. I only scratched the

1287
01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:05,730
surface. But I hope that this
motivates other people to not be

1288
01:29:05,730 --> 01:29:09,750
afraid to ask questions. And in
the last 48 hours of the

1289
01:29:09,750 --> 01:29:13,290
recording of this video, I've
seen some big players and big

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names essentially harp on people
like myself and others who are

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asking questions. Well, you know
what, I mean, United States

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taxpayer and I deserve to know
the answers if it's not

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classified or doesn't encroach
on somebody's personal

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confidential information other
than that, I believe we all

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should have the answers to this.
And that is why I do what I do

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is to get those answers. I hope
you guys enjoyed it. Thank you

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so much for sticking around. I'm
sure I'll do a live asked me

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anything ama video soon. But for
now, this is John Greenwald, Jr,

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signing off. And we'll see you
next time.