1 00:00:22,890 --> 00:00:25,080 John Greenewald: That's right everybody. As always, thank you 2 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:28,710 so much for tuning in and making this your podcast or your live 3 00:00:28,710 --> 00:00:32,190 stream of choice. Now what I've done in the last couple of 4 00:00:32,190 --> 00:00:36,000 streams like this is that I've turned them into audio podcasts, 5 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,060 I was always apprehensive of doing that, simply because I do 6 00:00:39,060 --> 00:00:42,900 a lot of visuals. However, the feedback I get is a lot of you 7 00:00:43,260 --> 00:00:46,290 can't sit and watch a YouTube video. And I totally understand 8 00:00:46,290 --> 00:00:49,350 that. And even though there's a lack of visuals, you prefer the 9 00:00:49,350 --> 00:00:52,230 podcasts. So I've been doing that in the last couple. And it 10 00:00:52,230 --> 00:00:55,020 seems like it's been going very, very well, based on the 11 00:00:55,020 --> 00:00:57,540 feedback. So I'm going to do that again. With this one, I'm 12 00:00:57,540 --> 00:01:01,770 prefacing the episode, because some of you watching the video 13 00:01:01,830 --> 00:01:05,880 may be wondering why I read a little bit more, or explain what 14 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,330 you're looking at, even though you might be looking at it. It's 15 00:01:09,330 --> 00:01:12,060 simply for the audio version. So thank you for the patience on 16 00:01:12,060 --> 00:01:15,300 that. But I want to make sure that everybody has access to 17 00:01:15,300 --> 00:01:20,790 this information. Now, what I am doing today is profiling some 18 00:01:20,790 --> 00:01:23,070 records that came through the Freedom of Information Act from 19 00:01:23,070 --> 00:01:28,350 a very trusted website that I am aware of, I don't profile a lot 20 00:01:28,350 --> 00:01:32,490 of FOIA releases that others get simply because I always want to 21 00:01:32,490 --> 00:01:36,270 make sure the material is real. However, this particular site I 22 00:01:36,270 --> 00:01:42,090 am very, very well aware of. And trust 120%, everything is 23 00:01:42,090 --> 00:01:47,250 legitimate. And I have verified the FOIA cases, etc. And again, 24 00:01:47,250 --> 00:01:50,760 prefacing the story in the video with that simply because I want 25 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,570 to give them absolutely the credit where it's due for 26 00:01:54,570 --> 00:01:57,450 getting these particular documents that we are talking 27 00:01:57,660 --> 00:02:03,090 about some internal NASA files specifically, for let me see 28 00:02:03,090 --> 00:02:07,050 here, some emails from the Associate Administrator of 29 00:02:07,050 --> 00:02:11,460 communications for NASA, his name is Mark Ed kind. Now, I 30 00:02:11,460 --> 00:02:17,220 have filed quite a few NASA requests based on emails. Now 31 00:02:17,220 --> 00:02:19,590 I've done some videos on this channel, you've seen some 32 00:02:19,590 --> 00:02:22,860 written articles about me. And interestingly, I never did a 33 00:02:22,860 --> 00:02:24,600 request on Mark Ed guidance, 34 00:02:25,980 --> 00:02:31,200 email address. And so this was kind of a surprise when I saw it 35 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,040 posted. And I thought I would profile it here, simply because 36 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,150 there were some gems inside. A quick footnote on the case that 37 00:02:39,150 --> 00:02:43,080 I filed, it was actually cases there were about 12 of them. And 38 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,440 it included not only Bill Nelson, the administrator, but 39 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,030 quite a few other NASA personnel. Again, not Ed kind, 40 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:55,590 but quite a few others, NASA had made me aggregate the request, 41 00:02:55,590 --> 00:02:59,370 which means they wanted me to take all of the 12 put it into 42 00:02:59,370 --> 00:03:03,630 one, why I was apprehensive of doing that is it takes a lot 43 00:03:03,630 --> 00:03:06,870 longer. A lot of agencies want to do that, where they put 44 00:03:06,870 --> 00:03:10,980 everything into one case, I'm only giving you guys that extra 45 00:03:10,980 --> 00:03:13,590 tidbit of information, because a lot of you asked me FOIA 46 00:03:13,590 --> 00:03:17,070 questions. And you will run into that sometimes where let's say 47 00:03:17,070 --> 00:03:21,000 you do very similar requests, but you file you know, 510, 48 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,300 whatever different ones, sometimes they will aggregate 49 00:03:24,300 --> 00:03:28,110 them. And it's very frustrating. It also takes a lot longer, in 50 00:03:28,110 --> 00:03:32,520 my opinion. So that case is still pending, I'm eager to see 51 00:03:32,550 --> 00:03:36,360 what comes up. But in this particular release with Ed kind 52 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,960 of again, there are a couple gems that I think you guys will 53 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,010 really like. So here's a little bit of biographical information 54 00:03:44,010 --> 00:03:46,770 about mark. Again, he's the Associate Administrator for 55 00:03:46,770 --> 00:03:51,540 communications for NASA. He joined in January of this year, 56 00:03:51,540 --> 00:03:56,190 so relatively new to the agency. And essentially, I'll read this 57 00:03:56,490 --> 00:03:59,130 background from previously abbkine served as general 58 00:03:59,130 --> 00:04:01,800 manager for the Science Channel part of discovery, Inc, a 59 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,070 position he began in 2015. In that capacity, he was 60 00:04:05,070 --> 00:04:08,310 responsible for all aspects of development, production brand 61 00:04:08,310 --> 00:04:11,010 strategy and day to day operations for the network. So 62 00:04:11,010 --> 00:04:15,000 that's a little bit about his background before he joined NASA 63 00:04:15,030 --> 00:04:20,550 itself. So this was a search by a site by the name of government 64 00:04:20,580 --> 00:04:24,420 attic.org. If you're not aware of it, I would highly recommend 65 00:04:24,420 --> 00:04:27,120 checking it out. If you're into government documents. There's a 66 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,890 lot there very rarely or find UFO information, which is what 67 00:04:31,890 --> 00:04:36,810 we're talking about today. But you'll find a ton of government 68 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:42,330 material historical material, stuff of high value in my book, 69 00:04:42,450 --> 00:04:46,110 again, a very trusted source and I don't say that often. So if 70 00:04:46,110 --> 00:04:48,660 you're not aware of the site, definitely go there. They post 71 00:04:48,660 --> 00:04:52,710 stuff on a weekly basis. And it's definitely a resource you 72 00:04:52,710 --> 00:04:56,520 should have in your digital Rolodex. So all credit to them 73 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,160 for this particular FOIA release. They posted these 74 00:04:59,190 --> 00:05:03,780 documents with for the weekend, and and that is where you can 75 00:05:03,780 --> 00:05:08,460 download them. If you're wanting the direct link, you will find 76 00:05:08,460 --> 00:05:12,660 it below in the description here on YouTube. And also on your 77 00:05:12,660 --> 00:05:16,470 podcast platform, you will find that as well where you can 78 00:05:16,470 --> 00:05:21,960 download everything. One quick note before I get going, if you 79 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:27,090 haven't seen videos like this, when I profile documents, I 80 00:05:27,090 --> 00:05:31,530 don't aim for the video to cover 100% of the entire release 81 00:05:31,530 --> 00:05:35,730 number one, the video would be 17 hours long. But number two, 82 00:05:35,730 --> 00:05:38,460 I'd probably bore you to death going over every little nitty 83 00:05:38,460 --> 00:05:43,680 bitty, gritty detail. However, what I hope that these videos do 84 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,910 is inspire you guys to download the documents wherever they may 85 00:05:47,910 --> 00:05:51,690 be, I always try and link them in the descriptions, download 86 00:05:51,690 --> 00:05:54,390 them and take a look, you'll see the documents, so the portions 87 00:05:54,390 --> 00:05:58,950 that I verify and, and and go over and overview on this 88 00:05:58,950 --> 00:06:03,900 channel. But on top of that, you can see a lot more and you'll be 89 00:06:03,900 --> 00:06:07,140 very, very surprised at some of the other gems that you'll find. 90 00:06:07,380 --> 00:06:12,150 Because sometimes I'll miss something all overlook it. And 91 00:06:12,180 --> 00:06:15,510 it's always good to have other sets of eyes on these types of 92 00:06:15,510 --> 00:06:18,570 records. Also, it may give you ideas I know a lot of FOIA 93 00:06:18,570 --> 00:06:22,200 researchers watch this, this channel and and I'll be going 94 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,930 over something later to kind of show you guys a little bit of 95 00:06:24,930 --> 00:06:28,500 what to look for in FOIA requests. But that said, you 96 00:06:28,500 --> 00:06:33,120 know, it gives you ideas, the raw data that lacks editorial, 97 00:06:33,150 --> 00:06:36,450 you know, the you don't take my word for it, look at it, you'll 98 00:06:36,450 --> 00:06:39,300 always get some good ideas from that. So I always encourage 99 00:06:39,510 --> 00:06:43,980 everybody to do that. So let's dig into some of the the 100 00:06:44,010 --> 00:06:47,100 highlights of this particular release. This one is actually 101 00:06:47,100 --> 00:06:51,690 just more for fun and you all out there that like the ancient 102 00:06:52,110 --> 00:06:56,310 alien, advanced ancient civilization theories and stuff 103 00:06:56,310 --> 00:07:00,060 like that may may find this interesting. This was a private 104 00:07:00,060 --> 00:07:04,050 citizen, the name was redacted. For those internet sleuths out 105 00:07:04,050 --> 00:07:07,530 there, you could probably find out who this particular person 106 00:07:07,530 --> 00:07:11,220 is, but I'm not going to say their identity. But they have 107 00:07:11,220 --> 00:07:15,600 posted these pictures publicly. And in addition to doing so they 108 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,710 also wrote NASA and the Smithsonian Institute emails 109 00:07:19,710 --> 00:07:24,270 with the subject line UFO, UAP, alien earthenware, pot, symbols, 110 00:07:24,270 --> 00:07:28,530 cloak drawings, ancient pot type unique and the Pentagon's UFO 111 00:07:28,530 --> 00:07:31,590 report, that's a heck of a subject written by this private 112 00:07:31,590 --> 00:07:35,700 citizen. The reason why this particular document or email 113 00:07:35,700 --> 00:07:39,180 came out in this request, and I haven't said this yet is 114 00:07:39,180 --> 00:07:43,410 government attic filed the request for a keyword search, 115 00:07:43,410 --> 00:07:46,830 which is a very common tactic. It's it's the case that I filed 116 00:07:46,830 --> 00:07:49,950 that was aggregated that I mentioned, very, very similar, 117 00:07:50,070 --> 00:07:53,820 you request a search of a person's email box with certain 118 00:07:53,820 --> 00:07:57,720 keywords, give them a date range, say I want documents or 119 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,460 emails from, you know, the year 2020 or 2021, or whatever your 120 00:08:02,460 --> 00:08:05,850 time frame is, and that's your FOIA request. That is how these 121 00:08:05,850 --> 00:08:09,960 documents came up because the request was for, you guessed it 122 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,130 UAP as one of the keywords. So that subject line, which pretty 123 00:08:14,130 --> 00:08:19,110 much encompasses the whole gamut of UFO related keywords he wrote 124 00:08:19,110 --> 00:08:22,890 in which included not only at kind, which is why this came up, 125 00:08:22,890 --> 00:08:25,140 but you'll see quite a few other names here that you might 126 00:08:25,140 --> 00:08:29,790 recognize, all within NASA or most within NASA. And 127 00:08:29,820 --> 00:08:33,090 essentially he was trying to find help there's private 128 00:08:33,090 --> 00:08:37,950 citizens trying to find help for something that that he has in 129 00:08:37,950 --> 00:08:42,870 his possession. I'll show you photos in a minute. This was the 130 00:08:42,870 --> 00:08:46,860 original in June 2021 email he wrote to the Smithsonian 131 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:50,580 Institute also looking for help, which I guess forwarded them to 132 00:08:50,580 --> 00:08:53,520 forwarded him to NASA according to him if you read all the 133 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,520 emails, but he says Dear Smithsonian, I own this 134 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,890 fascinating UFO UAP alien cooking pot and posted the 135 00:09:01,890 --> 00:09:04,860 following requests for info three years ago on collectors 136 00:09:04,860 --> 00:09:09,660 weekly. I've now been referred to you. Can you please help your 137 00:09:09,660 --> 00:09:13,320 aerospace people may be able to help along with Anthropologie 138 00:09:13,530 --> 00:09:17,700 linguistical and carbon experts excetera attached as more 139 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:21,840 information excluding infrared thermal rotating video. Is it 140 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,130 alien communication or just amazingly multi dimensional? 141 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,180 Yes, without further anticipation here, this is the 142 00:09:30,180 --> 00:09:34,980 pot that this guy sent into the Smithsonian and then later to 143 00:09:34,980 --> 00:09:39,060 NASA and to quite a few people at NASA. And you can see for 144 00:09:39,060 --> 00:09:41,550 those watching the video I believe this is what he's 145 00:09:41,550 --> 00:09:45,420 referring to. Are these multiple objects which appear to be 146 00:09:45,420 --> 00:09:50,880 flying in the sky saucer shaped kind of on an axis there. That's 147 00:09:50,910 --> 00:09:55,380 how he believes that this is an alien cooking pot, I guess. So 148 00:09:55,380 --> 00:10:00,000 kind of a fun little find not really a artifact that I've seen 149 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,150 seen before and all the talks about a talks about Ancient 150 00:10:03,150 --> 00:10:07,200 Alien theory and an ancient artwork that depicts UFOs. And 151 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,320 there's some fun ones actually out there. But that being said, 152 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,620 this was another photo, here's how big it was not even a foot 153 00:10:13,620 --> 00:10:18,150 high, then you can see that UFO looking object there. So take a 154 00:10:18,150 --> 00:10:21,300 look at that. For those watching the video. Any language experts 155 00:10:21,300 --> 00:10:24,660 out there, if you can deduce anything from it, the guy 156 00:10:24,660 --> 00:10:29,640 actually posted, I didn't know this, I run a message forum on 157 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,970 the black vault. Here's another cool FIND IN THIS FOIA release. 158 00:10:33,750 --> 00:10:38,250 I had no idea that this particular person posted it on 159 00:10:38,250 --> 00:10:43,140 the black vault. And within the email communications, you'll see 160 00:10:43,140 --> 00:10:46,530 the black vault mentioned right there right into right in this 161 00:10:46,530 --> 00:10:49,410 four year release. That was kind of a fun, surprising find, 162 00:10:49,410 --> 00:10:52,620 especially since it wasn't my FOIA case. And yet, this 163 00:10:52,620 --> 00:10:56,310 particular person had posted the photographs on my website as 164 00:10:56,310 --> 00:11:00,240 well in a public message forum. Again, I had no idea I don't 165 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,370 monitor 100% of, of what people post. So that came as a surprise 166 00:11:05,370 --> 00:11:07,680 to me, as I'm going through is like, what's my site doing in 167 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:11,580 here? And there you go. So there was a lot of talk internally 168 00:11:11,610 --> 00:11:14,490 about that alien pot, whatever it might be. 169 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,320 Moving on from the fund, Fine, let's get a little bit more 170 00:11:19,350 --> 00:11:25,200 serious. This was a two or excuse me about a three or four 171 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:30,750 page paper that was written by astrophysicist David Spergel. It 172 00:11:30,750 --> 00:11:35,040 looks like it was not distributed publicly at quick 173 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,460 glance, although some of you internet sleuths out there 174 00:11:38,460 --> 00:11:41,310 again, may be able to find this somewhere a quick glance, I did 175 00:11:41,310 --> 00:11:44,880 not see it. So I believe that this was an internal or at least 176 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,650 something that was distributed a little bit more privately by 177 00:11:49,650 --> 00:11:54,600 this astrophysicist, on his thoughts on UFOs. Now, it's not 178 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,410 every day that you see somebody of his credentials, talking 179 00:11:58,410 --> 00:12:01,890 about UFOs and mentioning aliens, which I'll get into in a 180 00:12:01,890 --> 00:12:08,190 minute. His quick CV and I can't go over it in its entirety. It's 181 00:12:08,190 --> 00:12:10,530 very impressive, but he's the president of what's called the 182 00:12:10,530 --> 00:12:13,950 Simons foundation. He's the co chair of the Wide Field Infrared 183 00:12:13,950 --> 00:12:18,420 Survey telescopes science team. He's a Charles Young Professor 184 00:12:18,420 --> 00:12:22,740 of Astronomy, Emeritus on the class of 1897 Foundation at 185 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:26,280 Princeton University. And it goes on and on his background is 186 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:31,830 incredible. I'm going to be reaching out to to, to David 187 00:12:31,830 --> 00:12:34,680 Spergel. And seeing maybe if he might be interested in coming on 188 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:37,830 this channel and talking about this paper since it's now 189 00:12:37,860 --> 00:12:41,610 public, and out in the open through the the Freedom of 190 00:12:41,610 --> 00:12:45,540 Information Act. And I'll read a little bit about it again, it's 191 00:12:45,540 --> 00:12:48,360 it's quite a few pages long, so I'm not gonna read everything. 192 00:12:49,020 --> 00:12:52,470 But again, the title thoughts on UFOs, written by David Spergel, 193 00:12:52,470 --> 00:12:56,490 distributed internally by NASA, he talks about what are they 194 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,880 meaning what are UFOs and he says, quote, the most 195 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:03,150 conservative hypothesis that these UFOs are built by humans, 196 00:13:03,420 --> 00:13:06,540 experimental vehicles under development by the US military 197 00:13:06,540 --> 00:13:11,010 or by foreign militaries. In the past famous UFO sites, eg area 198 00:13:11,010 --> 00:13:14,520 51 have turned out to be test sites for advanced technologies. 199 00:13:14,850 --> 00:13:18,450 Some of the triangular shaped objects that are capable of 200 00:13:18,450 --> 00:13:21,960 rapid accelerations and high speeds do seem remarkably 201 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,140 similar to descriptions of hypersonic vehicles that are 202 00:13:25,140 --> 00:13:29,400 currently under development by the Army, Navy, Air Force, DARPA 203 00:13:29,430 --> 00:13:33,990 and the NSA, the Indian, Chinese and Russian military all 204 00:13:33,990 --> 00:13:38,160 developing their own hypersonic vehicles, DARPA HTV, two had 205 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,730 test flights over a decade ago, so that the recent appearance of 206 00:13:41,730 --> 00:13:45,780 flying triangular shaped objects that can reach high speeds seems 207 00:13:45,780 --> 00:13:49,290 consistent with this hypothesis hypothesis. There is also 208 00:13:49,290 --> 00:13:52,950 extensive work on developing drone swarms by many nations, 209 00:13:52,980 --> 00:13:57,480 including even Armenia, whose properties match some UFO 210 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,940 reports. He then goes into another explanation which is 211 00:14:02,940 --> 00:14:06,390 natural phenomena he talks about ball lightning, or what he calls 212 00:14:06,390 --> 00:14:11,940 St. Elmo fire. Moving ahead on the paper, this is where he 213 00:14:11,940 --> 00:14:15,690 talks about the most interesting and this is actually how he 214 00:14:15,690 --> 00:14:19,830 terms it. The most exciting hypothesis is that some of the 215 00:14:19,830 --> 00:14:23,640 UFOs are extraterrestrials visiting the earth and studying 216 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,570 the planet in its life forms. Aliens capable of interstellar 217 00:14:27,570 --> 00:14:30,780 space travel are not likely to be using technologies that are 218 00:14:30,780 --> 00:14:35,580 familiar to us, eg solar sails or hypersonic air breathing 219 00:14:35,580 --> 00:14:39,030 vehicles, they would only be detectable if they wished to be 220 00:14:39,030 --> 00:14:42,930 seen. For example, they would likely want to miniaturize their 221 00:14:42,930 --> 00:14:47,040 probes and not likely to have familiar looking vehicles. Given 222 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,150 astronomical timescales. Alien life is likely either a billion 223 00:14:51,150 --> 00:14:55,830 years less advanced than human life, or a billion years more 224 00:14:55,830 --> 00:15:00,480 advanced technologically as Clarke's third law states. Any 225 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,720 sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable, 226 00:15:03,750 --> 00:15:08,310 indistinguishable from magic. So he talks about the alien 227 00:15:08,310 --> 00:15:12,030 hypothesis again, not something that you see every day in 228 00:15:12,030 --> 00:15:16,080 connection to UAPs or UFOs, from astrophysicists, astronomers, 229 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,610 astrobiologists, generally they stick with life weigh out, 230 00:15:20,610 --> 00:15:26,190 they're not down here. So for them to start talking about 231 00:15:26,190 --> 00:15:30,690 that, in these types of internal papers, very encouraging. It was 232 00:15:30,690 --> 00:15:33,420 it was very interesting for me to see, again, I won't read 233 00:15:33,420 --> 00:15:35,820 everything to you. But in his paper, he also talks about the 234 00:15:35,820 --> 00:15:40,350 observables. And essentially asking the questions where, you 235 00:15:40,350 --> 00:15:42,300 know, where they come from, what are they? What is their 236 00:15:42,300 --> 00:15:46,140 duration, the amplitude, the acceleration, the velocities, 237 00:15:46,140 --> 00:15:49,530 how frequently are the events, so on and so forth. And he talks 238 00:15:49,530 --> 00:15:54,900 about that scientific approach on how to look at the UAP issue 239 00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:58,560 and try and solve it. So very interesting paper, I would, I 240 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,920 would, for those interested, download it and read it in its 241 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:02,610 entirety. 242 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,670 Moving on to another one, this is where the FOIA researchers 243 00:16:08,670 --> 00:16:12,330 out there, I'm going to throw this out to you that it's just 244 00:16:12,330 --> 00:16:16,830 kind of a fun example of what you look for. When you get a 245 00:16:16,830 --> 00:16:21,240 FOIA release. A lot of people wonder, how do I start, you 246 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,700 know, how do I get into it? Well, I told you how this 247 00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:27,480 request started, what would be the next step and the next step 248 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,240 is you go through the documents, you get very much like I'm doing 249 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:35,220 now. But you look for the FOIA leads, what can be a FOIA lead, 250 00:16:35,340 --> 00:16:37,860 some stuff is just interesting. And there's it's not really a 251 00:16:37,860 --> 00:16:42,240 lead, per se. But it's, it's interesting, nonetheless. Other 252 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,990 things you can go after, for example, this email sent June 253 00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:51,300 8 2021. You can see here at 12:24pm, it was from Randy 254 00:16:51,300 --> 00:16:54,870 cruise. He was the senior advisor to the administrator or 255 00:16:54,870 --> 00:16:59,490 Bill Nelson, for NASA. He was writing market kind who we've 256 00:16:59,490 --> 00:17:02,760 been talking about that was the root of the FOIA request. And 257 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:10,050 Bob Jacobs, also NASA personnel, gents. I tried to send the short 258 00:17:10,050 --> 00:17:14,100 brief to you on J wicks. On a quick side note, J weeks is the 259 00:17:14,310 --> 00:17:18,600 top secret level communication method used internally at the 260 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,780 government so they can share highly sensitive material. Back 261 00:17:21,780 --> 00:17:24,360 to the quote, I tried to send you the short brief to on J 262 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:27,480 weeks. However, neither of you have an email address on the 263 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,530 classified side, I have verified that and then it's redacted, 264 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,700 likely some names and some identifying information. You 265 00:17:35,700 --> 00:17:40,050 just don't have email addresses. When you when your schedule 266 00:17:40,050 --> 00:17:43,560 allows, I can bring you to into the skiff on the sixth floor, 267 00:17:43,770 --> 00:17:47,640 and go over the brief with you. Let me know your availability, 268 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,670 and I'll have it set up today would be great. If you can 269 00:17:50,670 --> 00:17:54,390 squeeze it in shouldn't take more than 15 minutes. Randy 270 00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:59,520 cruise. Going back to the FOIA leads, that's all interesting, 271 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,160 right? I mean, it's a cool little story that obviously 272 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:07,980 Randy cruise he had a classified something a brief of some kind, 273 00:18:07,980 --> 00:18:11,550 maybe a PowerPoint presentation, maybe a document, who knows what 274 00:18:11,550 --> 00:18:14,010 it might be. But he had something that he was trying to 275 00:18:14,010 --> 00:18:18,480 send on a high classified method to to other NASA individuals who 276 00:18:18,510 --> 00:18:21,570 weren't weren't able technologically to receive it. 277 00:18:21,870 --> 00:18:25,020 So instead, Randy crew says, hey, we'll take you up to a 278 00:18:25,020 --> 00:18:29,910 secure room. We can do it that way. What's the lead? And if 279 00:18:29,910 --> 00:18:35,700 you're reading all the lines, the lead now this, this shows 280 00:18:35,700 --> 00:18:42,630 you that there is a brief, it's classified, and it exists. Now 281 00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:45,960 some of that sounds silly. Why do I say it that way? Because 282 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,680 this document now serves as evidence to use in a FOIA 283 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,810 request to say I want this briefing material, all of it, 284 00:18:55,650 --> 00:18:59,400 you can create a mandatory declassification review request. 285 00:18:59,730 --> 00:19:04,380 But let's not get too too, too complicated here, stick with 286 00:19:04,380 --> 00:19:09,180 FOIA, if you're still, you know, could somewhat new, just file a 287 00:19:09,180 --> 00:19:13,110 FOIA request for it. And you can actually cite this particular 288 00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:17,970 document and say, on June 8 2021, then senior adviser to 289 00:19:17,970 --> 00:19:22,140 the administrator, Randy cruise mentioned a briefing document 290 00:19:22,140 --> 00:19:25,170 briefing material that he was trying to send to other NASA 291 00:19:25,740 --> 00:19:32,370 personnel. My request is for all of it. And that's your lead. And 292 00:19:32,370 --> 00:19:35,940 that evidence now can be submitted. And if NASA comes 293 00:19:35,940 --> 00:19:38,700 back and says, hey, well, we have no records and they slough 294 00:19:38,700 --> 00:19:42,870 you off. You can use that in an appeal. And so that's where 295 00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:45,690 stuff like that is very important, where you can easily 296 00:19:45,690 --> 00:19:48,690 gloss over this and go okay, it's an email, they're sharing 297 00:19:48,690 --> 00:19:51,930 some information. That's cool. That's your branch. That's your 298 00:19:51,930 --> 00:19:55,320 branch to another FOIA request to go after because it 299 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,520 solidifies that something exists that you did not get in this 300 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,580 particular release, or at least it doesn't look like that 301 00:20:02,580 --> 00:20:06,090 particular release had it. So you go after it. And so you'll 302 00:20:06,090 --> 00:20:09,300 hear me talk a lot about a tree branch, that that's how I view 303 00:20:09,300 --> 00:20:12,030 this, you know, your releases your, your trunk, and then it 304 00:20:12,030 --> 00:20:15,660 just branches off into all these other requests. That's how that 305 00:20:15,660 --> 00:20:18,690 happens. So a little side note for the for you people out there 306 00:20:18,690 --> 00:20:22,290 for all others that may have been boring to. But at least you 307 00:20:22,290 --> 00:20:27,030 see how, and why you want to look out for stuff like that. So 308 00:20:27,030 --> 00:20:33,750 again, this was June of 2021, I had written a story about a two 309 00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:38,130 stories actually that I'll show you about briefings on UAPs as 310 00:20:38,130 --> 00:20:42,480 connected to NASA, and one of which was right after the UAP 311 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,710 task force was formally announced. In August of 2020. 312 00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:51,390 They meaning the UAP Task Force, reached out to NASA and 313 00:20:51,390 --> 00:20:57,300 requested that they brief NASA on UAPs. And UFOs, including in 314 00:20:57,300 --> 00:21:00,540 that briefing was the director of the International Space 315 00:21:00,540 --> 00:21:04,590 Station or the program manager for the ISS. So that's pretty 316 00:21:04,590 --> 00:21:08,760 fascinating. In my book, that the UAP taskforce went out of 317 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,000 their way to contact NASA and say, We need to brief you guys 318 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,560 on UFOs in UAPs, and in that was the program director for the 319 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,540 space station. In addition, one of the other people from NASA 320 00:21:21,570 --> 00:21:24,900 that was at the briefing or was asked to be at the briefing 321 00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:29,880 worked for Bigelow Aerospace and bass. So I found that as a very 322 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,470 interesting connection, bass being the subsidiary of Bigelow 323 00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:37,290 Aerospace, that one the OS app contract that we always hear 324 00:21:37,290 --> 00:21:41,250 about with the UFOs and UAPs. And now all sorts of other 325 00:21:41,250 --> 00:21:44,970 aspects of the paranormal, it's Skinwalker Ranch, regardless, he 326 00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:47,430 was at the briefing, as well. So kind of an interesting 327 00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:54,030 connection. But that was about September of 2020. So this 328 00:21:54,060 --> 00:21:57,390 briefing material that I'm that I'm talking about in this new 329 00:21:57,390 --> 00:22:01,860 FOIA release. Totally different than that, including a second 330 00:22:01,860 --> 00:22:05,460 story that I wrote that showed that Bill Nelson was briefed on 331 00:22:05,460 --> 00:22:11,490 August 17 2021. And I was able to get the Pentagon to admit to 332 00:22:11,490 --> 00:22:15,450 that, that the briefing took place, they would not place 333 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,560 administrator Nelson there. That's kind of expected, they 334 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,880 generally don't talk about the physical presence. spokespeople 335 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,340 don't talk about the physical presence of a certain someone, 336 00:22:26,610 --> 00:22:30,720 especially the administrator in most cases. And that is true 337 00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:34,650 with this one. But regardless, the FOIA revealed that it was a 338 00:22:34,650 --> 00:22:38,610 briefing for NASA for NASA Administrator, Bill Nelson 339 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,000 himself. So a couple of together, it confirmed my story 340 00:22:42,180 --> 00:22:45,630 I had published before the Pentagon statement came in, they 341 00:22:45,630 --> 00:22:50,190 take they're pretty time. So I gave them ample time to respond. 342 00:22:50,190 --> 00:22:54,450 They didn't. I published poof, I had a new statement shortly 343 00:22:54,450 --> 00:22:57,600 thereafter. So I edited the story. But it essentially put it 344 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,110 irrefutable that it was confirmed that Bill Nelson was 345 00:23:01,110 --> 00:23:05,070 briefed in August. Point being this also was a little bit 346 00:23:05,070 --> 00:23:10,050 different than timing wise than the other briefing. So a lot of 347 00:23:10,050 --> 00:23:14,400 people talking about briefs and briefing material internally at 348 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,930 NASA. So it's very interesting to see as more information comes 349 00:23:18,930 --> 00:23:24,240 out how involved NASA is, in keeping abreast of the UAP and 350 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,330 UFO information that they're keeping on top of it. They're, 351 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,140 they're seeing the classified material. And it's not just the 352 00:23:31,140 --> 00:23:35,280 administrator, it looks like it's probably from the top down. 353 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,310 I won't go over all the documents, like I mentioned, but 354 00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:42,150 you'll also pick up other names that likely were briefed or saw 355 00:23:42,150 --> 00:23:45,690 the classified version of the report. Obviously, Nelson has 356 00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:49,380 talked about it. And we all know that. But you'll see other 357 00:23:49,380 --> 00:23:55,110 scientists as well that had seen it. Another document in this 358 00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:55,620 release 359 00:23:58,260 --> 00:24:02,850 where the talking points to the UAP phenomena as it connects to 360 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,350 NASA. In relation to the release of the UAP report, you'll notice 361 00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:10,830 a lot of this stuff is all around the June 2021 timeframe. 362 00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:14,010 Again, when the UAP report was published by the US government. 363 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:20,880 NASA was internally talking heavily about UAPs at this time 364 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,450 for that reason. And you'll see in a couple minutes a PowerPoint 365 00:24:24,450 --> 00:24:28,740 presentation that NASA wanted to utilize that news, essentially 366 00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:31,410 for their own benefit. And that's a pretty interesting 367 00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:36,270 slide deck, which I'll get to, but before we do the talking 368 00:24:36,270 --> 00:24:39,090 points, I'm going to read to you especially for the audio podcast 369 00:24:39,090 --> 00:24:45,420 listeners on what NASA was essentially prepared to say 370 00:24:45,780 --> 00:24:49,800 about the UAP issue. The documents will show many other 371 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:55,260 talking points to related scientific efforts, including 372 00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:58,470 space exploration, the search for alien life out there, I'm 373 00:24:58,470 --> 00:25:03,060 just going to read to you the UAP specific ones. One of NASA's 374 00:25:03,060 --> 00:25:05,880 key goals is the search for life in the universe. Although we 375 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,270 have yet to find signs of extraterrestrial life, NASA is 376 00:25:09,270 --> 00:25:12,480 exploring the solar system and beyond to help us answer 377 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,320 fundamental questions, including whether we are alone in the 378 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:21,330 universe. From studying water on Mars, probing promising oceans 379 00:25:21,330 --> 00:25:25,320 worlds, such as Titan and Europa, to looking for bio 380 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,020 signatures in the atmosphere of planets outside our solar 381 00:25:28,020 --> 00:25:32,040 system, NASA science missions are working together with a goal 382 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:37,980 to find unmistakable signs of life beyond Earth. To date, NASA 383 00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:41,220 has yet to find any credible evidence of extraterrestrial 384 00:25:41,220 --> 00:25:46,800 life, but we are not closed to the possibility that such life 385 00:25:46,830 --> 00:25:51,780 exists. And then there's a redacted portion of that line. 386 00:25:52,140 --> 00:25:57,480 Under B five, it's cited as exemption B five, really 387 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,680 quickly, on a side note, B five is essentially internal 388 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,560 deliberation. It's stuff that they're talking about 389 00:26:04,590 --> 00:26:09,810 internally. That may not be finalized drafts, for example, 390 00:26:10,140 --> 00:26:14,310 that are not final reports are generally exempted under B five, 391 00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:16,890 because they're still drafting the report. So they're 392 00:26:17,370 --> 00:26:20,730 essentially deliberating on the inside what to say in the final 393 00:26:20,730 --> 00:26:26,430 report. So that's an example of of what's redacted under B five, 394 00:26:26,550 --> 00:26:31,260 so I was super intrigued by this line, put a pin in it, because 395 00:26:31,260 --> 00:26:35,610 I'm about to solve the mystery for you. You just have to pay 396 00:26:35,610 --> 00:26:38,850 attention closely to the FOIA release, but put a pin in that. 397 00:26:38,850 --> 00:26:43,260 So again, we are not close to the possibility of such life 398 00:26:43,260 --> 00:26:47,790 exists again, the rest of the line is redacted. Back to the 399 00:26:47,790 --> 00:26:50,940 quote, we stand ready to support the rest of the government in 400 00:26:50,940 --> 00:26:53,940 the search for life in the universe, be it close to home, 401 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,420 on the planets or moons of our solar system or deeper in space. 402 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,560 The nature of science is to better understand the unknown. 403 00:27:01,890 --> 00:27:05,070 When we learn of unidentified aerial phenomena, UAP, or more 404 00:27:05,070 --> 00:27:09,090 commonly known as unidentified flying objects, or UFOs. It 405 00:27:09,090 --> 00:27:14,040 opens up the door to new science questions to explore. Most UAP 406 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,400 sightings result in very limited data, usually video recordings 407 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,430 from a single angle that can only be cross validated with 408 00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:24,570 eyewitness testimony. The language of scientists is data. 409 00:27:24,930 --> 00:27:28,110 But without access to an extensive set of data, it is 410 00:27:28,110 --> 00:27:33,150 nearly impossible to verify or explain any observation. The 411 00:27:33,150 --> 00:27:36,540 lack of robust data, including the lack of access to some 412 00:27:36,540 --> 00:27:40,080 existing data, is the central problem for scientific study of 413 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,790 UAPs. It's in a sense, the discovery of technology from 414 00:27:44,790 --> 00:27:48,930 Beyond Earth, or the signatures of technology on other worlds, 415 00:27:49,170 --> 00:27:53,250 would constitute the ultimate bio signature. And that was 416 00:27:53,250 --> 00:27:56,580 written by Karen C. Fox, Senior Science Communications Officer 417 00:27:56,970 --> 00:28:00,330 in the Office of Communications for NASA Headquarters. So those 418 00:28:00,330 --> 00:28:03,150 were the talking points. Now talking points. I've done some 419 00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:07,590 some videos on that as well, mainly on the Pentagon side, 420 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,010 recent FOIA release, I think it was last month of the recording 421 00:28:11,010 --> 00:28:15,060 of this released a bunch of what they call briefing cards on not 422 00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:20,730 only UAPs, but the UAP Task Force and the Navy UFO videos 423 00:28:20,730 --> 00:28:23,850 and a couple other couple other things. And so I'd filed a 424 00:28:23,850 --> 00:28:26,250 request for those and was surprised that they had so many 425 00:28:26,250 --> 00:28:27,180 briefing cards. 426 00:28:27,450 --> 00:28:30,570 So if you're curious about how that agency has their their 427 00:28:30,570 --> 00:28:33,720 press statements as well and their bullet points, make sure 428 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,470 you check out that video. But obviously NASA had their 429 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,150 structure of how they wanted to respond when the UAP report was 430 00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:47,100 out as well. That remember that redacted part that be five, 431 00:28:47,670 --> 00:28:50,370 again, to date, NASA has yet to find any credible evidence of 432 00:28:50,370 --> 00:28:53,160 extraterrestrial life. But we are not close to the possibility 433 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,630 that such life exists and then it was redacted. Well, you will 434 00:28:57,630 --> 00:29:02,280 see in this document here, which was an internal document, 435 00:29:02,730 --> 00:29:08,970 whether it was a mistake or not. They didn't redact it in this 436 00:29:08,970 --> 00:29:13,380 one. There were like three or four other instances where they 437 00:29:13,380 --> 00:29:16,380 did why I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure but here's the 438 00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:21,030 line. To date. NASA has yet to find any credible evidence of 439 00:29:21,030 --> 00:29:24,720 extraterrestrial life. But we are not close to the possibility 440 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:31,560 that such life exists and might have visited Earth. To me that's 441 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,540 not internal deliberations. And as a bad redaction. I think they 442 00:29:36,540 --> 00:29:42,210 wanted to hide the fact that NASA is not ruling out that 443 00:29:42,210 --> 00:29:47,280 alien life could have or is visiting planet Earth. To me. 444 00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:52,050 That's fascinating to me that they needed to redact it was 445 00:29:52,050 --> 00:29:54,750 fascinating. If they didn't redact it. I don't think I'd 446 00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:57,690 find it as interesting although it's still pretty cool. But the 447 00:29:57,690 --> 00:30:02,010 fact that they wanted it redacted in the Other mentions 448 00:30:02,010 --> 00:30:07,380 of it in this four year release is kind of a mystery to me. I 449 00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:11,310 don't know why they would do it. The only possible explanation 450 00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:14,790 that I can come up with is they had it slightly worded 451 00:30:14,790 --> 00:30:19,020 differently in the other versions. But I don't see a kind 452 00:30:19,020 --> 00:30:23,010 of a difference and the line seemed to fit. So maybe they had 453 00:30:23,010 --> 00:30:25,320 some other different versions, and they considered that a 454 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:31,410 draft. And they fine tuned it to this, I'm not sure. That's, I'll 455 00:30:31,410 --> 00:30:35,670 be at small possibility. But one nonetheless, in my opinion, this 456 00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:39,450 was a mistake. They wanted it redacted for whatever reason. 457 00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:45,060 And on this one, they messed up that on the June 4 2021, what 458 00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:48,750 they title search for life, techno signatures, and 459 00:30:48,750 --> 00:30:53,310 unidentified aerial phenomena, UAP, slash Unidentified Flying 460 00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:54,000 Objects 461 00:30:54,029 --> 00:30:59,759 UFOs. That document they overlooked it. So kind of a fun 462 00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:05,369 find, you should always read every word in that's why. So I 463 00:31:05,369 --> 00:31:08,189 won't go over all of the key points again, but it's pretty 464 00:31:08,189 --> 00:31:10,979 much identical. There's some other background information. 465 00:31:11,159 --> 00:31:14,789 This was actually if you pay attention to NASA's website was 466 00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:20,189 morphed into a webpage that they have on NASA, talking about UAPs 467 00:31:20,189 --> 00:31:25,649 and essentially, showing their side of the issue. But these 468 00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:29,249 documents show more of their side. And that's why I always 469 00:31:29,249 --> 00:31:32,579 love FOIA versus what the government willingly gives you, 470 00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:36,869 because you get gems like this. And obviously sometimes mistakes 471 00:31:36,869 --> 00:31:40,889 happen. In here are some questions and answers. This is 472 00:31:40,889 --> 00:31:45,179 likely possible questions that they were going to be asked with 473 00:31:45,179 --> 00:31:49,439 answers that they were prepared to give. I am very surprised 474 00:31:49,469 --> 00:31:53,699 there are this many be five redactions on that. I don't feel 475 00:31:53,699 --> 00:31:57,179 or see that this is a draft document. So I don't see why 476 00:31:57,179 --> 00:32:01,379 they would be redacted. Spoiler alert, even though this wasn't 477 00:32:01,379 --> 00:32:04,949 my FOIA release, what I am doing is going after this particular 478 00:32:04,949 --> 00:32:10,079 document, and requiring a review of the B five, I believe I'll 479 00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:14,399 probably be initially denied simply because they've reviewed 480 00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:17,429 it in the last two years. But what then I'm going to do is 481 00:32:17,429 --> 00:32:22,589 file the appeal and say by the publicly available record, the B 482 00:32:22,589 --> 00:32:28,259 five exemptions seemed excessive. B five is also known, 483 00:32:28,259 --> 00:32:32,189 nicknamed by people like me, as the redacted if you want to 484 00:32:32,249 --> 00:32:35,549 exemption. And essentially even though it's its internal 485 00:32:35,549 --> 00:32:38,009 deliberation, and there are things that fit into that 486 00:32:38,009 --> 00:32:43,319 category, it's one that's easily gotten away with if the agency 487 00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:46,619 just doesn't want to give the information out. They go, Oh, 488 00:32:46,619 --> 00:32:50,879 sorry, internal deliberation B five. And it's the redacted if 489 00:32:50,879 --> 00:32:57,269 you want to citation. So in my opinion, I'm going to go after 490 00:32:57,269 --> 00:33:00,509 this because here's another page of the same document, you can 491 00:33:00,509 --> 00:33:05,639 see almost all top to bottom, all redacted, be five for me, 492 00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:08,609 since this is public information, or at least how 493 00:33:08,609 --> 00:33:12,179 they were going to deal with the public. This is something that 494 00:33:12,179 --> 00:33:17,459 is excessive in my book, if it's approved to say it's not 495 00:33:17,459 --> 00:33:22,619 sensitive or exempted, but maybe no press people ask the 496 00:33:22,619 --> 00:33:25,769 questions. And so they don't want to give away NASA's 497 00:33:25,769 --> 00:33:30,149 prepared answers that they were ready to give, again, excessive 498 00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:34,709 use of B five. One of the last things I want to go over with 499 00:33:34,709 --> 00:33:40,259 you is the slide deck that I had mentioned before. One of the 500 00:33:40,259 --> 00:33:44,249 emails it says in one of the attachments, which which was the 501 00:33:44,249 --> 00:33:47,879 slide deck, it says a slide deck with thoughts on how best to 502 00:33:47,879 --> 00:33:51,839 amplify NASA's role with the search for extraterrestrial life 503 00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:56,339 in the context of the upcoming report on UAPs. Again, this was 504 00:33:56,339 --> 00:33:59,069 a slide deck a PowerPoint presentation attached to one of 505 00:33:59,069 --> 00:34:06,179 the emails. I take it like how can NASA benefit from the 506 00:34:06,179 --> 00:34:10,769 exposure that UAPs are getting? And how can NASA inject itself 507 00:34:10,769 --> 00:34:14,279 in that? That was kind of how I was I guess that's what I 508 00:34:14,279 --> 00:34:19,229 gathered from this was was how could they best benefit from 509 00:34:19,229 --> 00:34:23,279 that, that coverage? And how could NASA get involved? Because 510 00:34:23,279 --> 00:34:26,459 obviously they kind of weren't, it was all about the military 511 00:34:26,459 --> 00:34:30,689 and DOD and ODNI and the Navy and so on. So I think NASA 512 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:37,529 internally was looking to see how they could benefit almost 513 00:34:37,529 --> 00:34:42,149 screwed up there. So the cover the cover UAP planning, and then 514 00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:46,349 you can see underneath here another B five exemption. I 515 00:34:46,349 --> 00:34:49,919 don't know what that would be maybe a tagline of some kind. 516 00:34:50,369 --> 00:34:53,279 Generally under PowerPoint presentation headers, you see a 517 00:34:53,279 --> 00:34:57,209 personnel name, and that's exemption B six. So the fact 518 00:34:57,209 --> 00:35:00,449 that this was B five kind of was a little confusing. but 519 00:35:00,449 --> 00:35:04,199 obviously they didn't want to show me or show us as the 520 00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:08,219 general population, short term catching the wave on the UAP 521 00:35:08,219 --> 00:35:08,849 report. 522 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,350 All that information blacked out, but the title catching the 523 00:35:13,350 --> 00:35:18,000 wave on the UAP. Report not. So again, they're trying to benefit 524 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,900 from the avalanche of coverage that was likely going to come 525 00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:28,050 from the UAP. Report, media. Again, half of it or so, be five 526 00:35:28,050 --> 00:35:31,200 exempted, all redacted. You'll see some names in there that you 527 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,950 did see in front of the cameras, including Bill Nelson Thomas, or 528 00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:39,330 Bouken, I believe is how you pronounce it. Those actually did 529 00:35:39,330 --> 00:35:43,860 a press conference together. And they both spoke, I've done FOIA 530 00:35:43,860 --> 00:35:46,680 requests and already received final responses quite a few 531 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:52,560 months ago, on Thomas's email box. And some very interesting 532 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,380 gems came out, including the revelation about the Nelson 533 00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:59,550 briefing, etc. I have multiple cases on Bill Nelson pending, 534 00:35:59,970 --> 00:36:03,540 some documents have come in. So again, definitely use the search 535 00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:06,840 engine on the black vault.com. I'll also put some links down 536 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,660 there in the descriptions. So that way, you guys can see some 537 00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:15,600 of those NASA documents that have come out. Ravi coper APU. 538 00:36:16,110 --> 00:36:19,380 That's another one that I've had pending cases on for quite some 539 00:36:19,380 --> 00:36:23,250 time. Some of the other names, again, not recognizable, but 540 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,860 those are FOIA leads you go after that, why are these people 541 00:36:25,860 --> 00:36:28,980 in there? Well, they obviously have something to do with you 542 00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:32,130 APs are talking about it. So you branch off even though a lot of 543 00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:34,680 these people had already hit with FOIA as before, the new 544 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,820 names, you file new requests. So the FOIA people out there, this 545 00:36:38,820 --> 00:36:41,910 is where you start picking up your next leads on where to go. 546 00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:48,660 More redactions here. Here's just a link to some some 547 00:36:48,660 --> 00:36:52,890 information about study to search universe for signs of 548 00:36:52,890 --> 00:36:58,140 technological civilizations on a site called astrobiology.com. A 549 00:36:58,140 --> 00:37:00,270 search for techno signatures around newly discovered 550 00:37:00,270 --> 00:37:04,410 exoplanets. John Luke Margot at UCLA solid science communicator. 551 00:37:04,410 --> 00:37:06,660 So I think that they were talking about people that they 552 00:37:06,660 --> 00:37:11,700 could put up in front of the cameras. So these redactions in 553 00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:16,920 my book were probably mislabeled, but I could be 554 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,640 wrong, it's kind of hard to tell how they were going to hit 555 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,700 social media, Tumblr current and upcoming NASA missions looking 556 00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:26,640 for life. So they were going to again, just kind of ride that 557 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,830 wave, as they said, a Reddit AMA or Twitter spaces with SMEs or 558 00:37:31,830 --> 00:37:36,150 subject matter experts answering questions. Print media set up a 559 00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:39,240 FAQ on NASA search for life that we can point to whenever needed 560 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:43,290 via social media, etc. Feature evergreen content on current and 561 00:37:43,290 --> 00:37:46,920 upcoming NASA missions looking for life. So they were really 562 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,520 aiming to get a lot of exposure from this cleaning house, need 563 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,480 to update this page, a top page where you search NASA UFO, and 564 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,620 then it gives the NASA address for UFO sighting question and 565 00:37:58,620 --> 00:38:03,240 answers. That is a working URL. So you can type that into your 566 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,790 web address. I won't say the whole long thing, because 567 00:38:05,790 --> 00:38:08,310 there's a lot of characters in it. But for those watching the 568 00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:10,860 visual, just type that in and you'll be able to see NASA's 569 00:38:10,860 --> 00:38:17,130 page on UFOs. Here's a fun slide entirely redacted. So we have no 570 00:38:17,130 --> 00:38:21,330 idea what that one is talking about. Next slide long term 571 00:38:21,330 --> 00:38:25,500 continuing the conversation. So they wanted to not only ride the 572 00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:28,620 wave, but keep it going. How they were going to do that 573 00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:32,880 entirely redacted. Next slide, potential larger activities. 574 00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:37,260 This was kind of interesting. Workshop slash NASA Social, some 575 00:38:37,260 --> 00:38:41,610 redactions there. It was a workshop between scientists 576 00:38:41,610 --> 00:38:47,100 slash slash astronauts slash rocket engineers and science 577 00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:52,050 fiction writers. Again, bunch of redactions, social humans of 578 00:38:52,050 --> 00:38:55,830 NASA vignettes, hoping and then again, it's kind of hard to read 579 00:38:55,830 --> 00:38:59,040 this as a lot of redactions, but just some of the texts hoping to 580 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,180 lean into those redacted, but would depend on what we get, 581 00:39:03,810 --> 00:39:07,920 which is always intriguing. When you see that, a video series, 582 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,670 maybe planning a video series, a series of four to five videos or 583 00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:15,090 recorded shows again, lots of redactions there. So some of 584 00:39:15,090 --> 00:39:18,270 those redactions again, those those are probably legitimate 585 00:39:18,270 --> 00:39:22,020 examples of B five were a series of four to five videos are 586 00:39:22,020 --> 00:39:25,800 recorded shows. They could have been just bounced a few ideas 587 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,810 out there, and they would consider that internal 588 00:39:27,810 --> 00:39:33,540 deliberation, again, accurately fitting into B five. So I know 589 00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:36,060 that some of those side notes get probably a little tedious 590 00:39:36,060 --> 00:39:39,000 and boring. But for the portion of the audience that watches 591 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,730 these about FOIA and stuff. I always just like to add those so 592 00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:45,720 you can kind of see the struggle between trying to figure out 593 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:49,350 what's legitimate, what's not what's appealable and what's not 594 00:39:49,350 --> 00:39:53,880 and what you can go after. So that's the end of the slide 595 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,030 deck. That was that was the end. There was one blank slide. I 596 00:39:57,030 --> 00:40:00,150 didn't show you guys but that no redactions. It was just to 597 00:40:00,150 --> 00:40:02,850 blank, I think it was a mistake. Other than that, that that was 598 00:40:02,850 --> 00:40:07,410 the slide deck on that the FOIA release itself is quite large. 599 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,800 So there's a lot to read. And there's a lot that I didn't go 600 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,770 over, I wanted to at least show you the highlights. And as I 601 00:40:13,770 --> 00:40:16,290 said earlier in the show, I wouldn't go over everything 602 00:40:16,290 --> 00:40:19,590 because it would be a 16 hour video, I'm already about 40 603 00:40:19,590 --> 00:40:22,650 minutes in and barely scratched the surface. But I hope this is 604 00:40:22,650 --> 00:40:29,280 an encouragement. Encouragement, I guess, to go out there and 605 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,640 look at more, see what's there, see what's available, see what 606 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,970 you can go after, and see those leads. And for those who watch 607 00:40:35,970 --> 00:40:39,480 this, that are using the FOIA, hopefully the side notes work 608 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,230 for you, that you can see what you look for, in addition to 609 00:40:43,230 --> 00:40:46,500 great information, but what you can look for for your next 610 00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:50,670 request and start branching out and digging, and digging, and 611 00:40:50,670 --> 00:40:53,970 digging, because that is what this is all about that. And of 612 00:40:53,970 --> 00:40:57,120 course, it's a team effort, which is why I always like to, 613 00:40:57,150 --> 00:41:03,360 again, give credit where it's due WWW dot government attic.com 614 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,040 Is the website and you can go on there and download all sorts of 615 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:14,970 stuff. Very, very, very, very in depth. There's a ton of 616 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,110 information on there. And forgive me, I misspoke. 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