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John Greenewald: On the night of
March 13 1997, the residents of

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Phoenix Arizona were stunned by
unidentified lights that

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appeared above their city. In
what appeared like a triangle

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flying across the night sky, the
event is known worldwide as the

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Phoenix lights incident. But
what you may not know, is there

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is much more to the story that
most rarely hear about.

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Dr. Lynne Kitei: You'll see that
it's wavy because I was shaking.

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John Greenewald: Tonight, we're
doing something a little bit

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different to celebrate the 25th
anniversary of the event. In

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more of a presentation format,
rather than my standard

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interviews, Dr. Lin key tie, an
eye witness to the Phoenix

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lights is about to step into the
vault to offer a breakdown of

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the entire saga. Not only did
she witness the main event that

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you likely have heard about, she
was also witness to numerous

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other UFOs in the same area,
even months before what she

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calls the mass sighting. And
they all lack explanation. Stay

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tuned, you're about to journey
inside the black vault.

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That's right, everybody. As
always, thank you so much for

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tuning in. And taking this
journey inside the black vault

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with me. I'm your host, John
Greenewald, Jr, owner and

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creator of the black vault.com.
And I'm pretty excited about

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today's show, because we are
talking to somebody that not

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only I've known for a very, very
long time we met many many years

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ago, sadly have lost touched
over the last quite a few years,

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with all sorts of world events
and pandemics and all sorts of

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stuff. But I am so thrilled to
have the Dr. Lin Ki Tae joining

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me here, Dr. Kitai. Thank you so
much for for taking the time out

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of your day. And joining us to
talk about the Phoenix lights.

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Dr. Lynne Kitei: This is a
supreme pleasure not only to

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speak with your audience and to
set the record straight, there

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is so much mis and
disinformation out there. And we

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haven't talked for a long time a
lot has evolved since we last

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spoke years ago. And I'm honored
to be part of your show and to

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share the data the data speaks
for itself. I never had any

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interest or knowledge in the
topic at all, before my husband

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and I had a very close sighting
to our home two years before the

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mass sighting. And I happen to
capture 35 millimeter

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photographs of incredible what
they call now UAP anomalous

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aerial phenomenon, but the
ironic part is that besides

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having no interest or knowledge
in the topic, before this all

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happened, my life's work has
been community education of

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health issues. Not only that I
start in medical school doing

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that for the community. But I
was a reporter on NBC in

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Philadelphia with Jessica
Savage, anybody that knows that

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name. She was kind of my mentor
out there that a syndication

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grew from that of 120 60 to 92nd
pieces that was actually showing

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when we moved to Phoenix in 1980
at CBS. And then I started doing

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health tips on set as well for
NBC here in the early 80s. And

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by the mid 80s. In the practice
out of adolescent medicine as my

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specialty I was seeing teens,
drowning in substance abuse and

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wanted to get something out
there to wake them up to the

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reality and got together kids
that had been they're experts in

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the field and then I put in my
other hat. Before I went to

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medical school I was in
professional musical theater on

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Broadway and touring companies.
I toured with Gordon McRae in

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Oklahoma and Betty Grable and
Guys and Dolls and understudy

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barbering and Sound of Music and
actually also play Alice and

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Alice in Wonderland with Sherman
Hemsley from the Jefferson and

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also was in Raising Arizona Coen
Brothers 20 Century Fox hit

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movie about a family who has
quintuplets and Nicolas Cage and

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Holly Hunter who can't conceive
actually decide to kidnap one of

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the contactless and I played the
mother of the quintuplets,

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Florence, Arizona and Raising
Arizona and that what's ironic

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is that that movie opened in
1987 10 years before the mass

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sighting and I stayed anonymous
for seven years after 1000s of

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people saw what I had been
saying we're going to really get

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into it on March 13 1997. And
once I came forward in 2004, I

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started touring the world as you
have done And someone came up to

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me in 2006 or seven and said,
you know, there's a reference to

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your character, Florence,
Arizona, and UFOs in Raising

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Arizona. And I had no I never
remember because I hadn't

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watched it since the late 80s.
I'm on going back after one of

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the quintuplets is kidnapped by
Nicolas Cage and Holly Hunter,

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there's a press conference. And
in front of our home, a reporter

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sticks a microphone in my
husband face and says there's a

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rumor your son was abducted by
UFOs Is there any truth to that?

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And my husband says, Oh, please
don't please don't print that it

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is mama reads actual lose all
hope, which is totally

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different. Opposite from my own
take, which we're going to get

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into. But it's the only
reference in the entire film

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about UFOs. And to make it even
more poignant, the

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cinematographer who's just
getting started, went on to do

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big with with Tom Hanks When
Harry Met Sally with Billy

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Crystal, How the West Was one
with Will Smith and a host of

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others also Created and directed
the Men in Black Series, which

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opened in 1997. The same year,
as the Phoenix lights, I said,

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just a little little tip of the
iceberg of the coincidences, so

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many serendipities will, which
we'll get into, but the others

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are in deputy is that after
dedicating my life's work to

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vital health issues for the
community, when this fell in my

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lap, literally and figuratively,
right outside our bedroom window

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in 1995. I felt obliged as a
scientist to collect the data as

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scientifically as I could. And
then, of course, to share it as

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well as a physician to let
people know they're not alone.

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Even though most anomalies can
be explained only a small

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percentage cannot. Just because
we don't have the technology

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yet, to definitively define what
these things are. It doesn't

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mean they're not real, we might
just be looking on an aim dial

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for an FM frequency. So it's
time we get this topic out in

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the open and address it, accept
it and study it. So we can find

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out not only who's driving these
things, but also move forward

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and our own evolution. But for
me, I knew nothing about this

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topic. And here was the night
before my birthday. Another

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little coincidence, I just
celebrated my birthday, February

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7, and it was the eve of my
birthday. And we live pretty

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high on the mountain in Paradise
Valley, if anybody's near a

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computer, and they want to click
on to the Phoenix lights Network

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website, which is filled with
really intriguing information to

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explore and consider and go to
the photo page, Phoenix lights

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network, www dot the Phoenix
lights dotnet. And you'll see

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the topography, we're really
high on the mountain. And one

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wall of our bedroom is a window.
So whatever pops up out there,

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we have a panoramic view of the
city skyline, which we really

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enjoy. And planes, helicopters,
streetlights, car lights, and we

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face the south. So we see the
airport, we see everything

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coming in and out from there. So
we're very familiar with the

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lights out there. I was taking a
leisurely bath. My husband who

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was also a healthy skeptic, when
you're a physician, you must be

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open to whatever walks through
the door. But nonetheless, I got

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to see it to believe it right.
And he's standing at the window.

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My mother in law, My dear mother
in law had called to wish me

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happy birthday from
Philadelphia. We were both

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raised and born, born and
raised. And he's on the phone

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with her and suddenly and he was
on several hospital and state

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medical boards and nothing ever
ruffled his feathers and he

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sounded alarm. He said, Lynn,
get over here quick, what the

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hell is that? And I grabbed a
towel ringing with run to the

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window. And a little below us.
And again, we're nestled in a

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mountain range, it gated
community, there is no way this

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was military and a little below
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landscape with three Amber orbs
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top and two closely align
underneath. And it was just

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Whoa, what is that? And you
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when they see something unusual,
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you don't know how long it's
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instinct because I had created
the

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video and workbook curriculum
was to run downstairs and get my

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camera, but I didn't want to
miss anything. So I took

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everything in mentally, the
size, the shape the color. They

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were about three to six feet
each depending on how close they

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were. They were absolutely oval
shape. I always said they were

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like an egg on its side but they
were oval shape which is

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interesting, because now that
the Nimitz pilots have come

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forward to talk about their tic
tac sightings and that they're

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oval like a lozenge and
whatever. It's like well, I

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don't know if it's the same
thing but nonetheless, they were

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oval and I call them an orb
because the light did not extend

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outside the edge. It was self
contained. A uniform amber

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lights throughout. And I noticed
immediately every light out

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there glared, except these, it
was very soothing, very

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mesmerizing. And I thought if I
don't get a picture of this, no

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one's gonna believe it. So I run
to the closet to grab my 35

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millimeter camera that I took
sunset pictures of I collect

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sunsets, and my husband calls me
back, he said, Get over your

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quick one of them is
disappearing. And as we watched,

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and I always go back to this 95
sighting two years before the

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mass sighting, because I saw
this up close and personal, just

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yards from our home. The top orb
without budget from the other

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two that were closely aligned
underneath started to shrink

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very, very slowly. Like a dimmer
switches, it's difficult to

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express in logical terms. You
know, looking back, they were

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probably cloaking, but
nonetheless, like a dimmer

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switch the chemically as if
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them. And it got smaller and
smaller very slowly until it was

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pea size and then disappeared.
But it still felt like it was

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there. Where did it go, I jumped
out on the balcony, I get a

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picture of the two lower words.
And they're on the website.

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Anybody who goes to the photo
page Phoenix lights Network

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website, you'll see those two
lower orbs in the lower left

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corner, but immediately noticed
an eerie silence as if time had

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stopped. That was just bizarre.
And as intently as I was

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watching those two lower orbs, I
have to admit, which I did not

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for two years delay up to the
mass sighting, that it felt like

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something was watching me. And
going through my mind I was

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thinking, who are you? What are
you do know that I'm here, I'd

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love to be you. The next thing I
remember, the left bottom org

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started to shrink and cloak just
like the top one did. If we go

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here, actually, I'd love to show
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And the typography. If you look
on the left side, there left

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bottom you'll see a car on the
road. That's really significant

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because it shows how the light
reflects onto the road. Very

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unlike the true unknowns, where
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this picture is important
because if you go to the right

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of that car, you'll see
skylights when our house to the

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right there, like a row of
lights to the right, right

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there. Which is interesting,
because they point out the

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topography, where if you go
straight up, you're going to see

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south mountain on the left. And
a few miles back you'll see

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these stray mountains on the
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Right. Right above where those
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Yeah. Um, an interesting another
little story to be, which we'll

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get to but I want to get through
the the 95 sighting first. If

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you go to that first picture,
the 95 sighting, you'll see that

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there are two orbs in the lower
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John Greenewald: I want to make
sure I got the right one you're

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talking about.

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Dr. Lynne Kitei: Which rows
right there. Right there, right

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here. Yeah. Oh, I see. There we
go. So the lower left corner

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there, you'll see the two orbs
on the bottom there. Okay, and

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you see they don't, they don't
reflect onto the road, right.

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And to the right of that you see
the skylights. If you go

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straight up, if you if you
shrink that picture a little

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bit, you'll see over the city,
there's four lights, and we're

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going to get back to that. Okay.
Anyway, the next thing I

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remember the left bottom orb
started to shrink, and something

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told me to take a picture. And
that's the next picture. That

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was the only one that turned out
at the time. That's last picture

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that I took. You got it. Now,
you'll see that those lights not

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only moved to the right, and you
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have disappeared. I can't
believe it's miraculous that I

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even caught that. And the right
one is still there. And you see

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the two lights above. Right with
the arrow. Yeah. Okay, if you go

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back to that to that first
picture. And first of all, I

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didn't know who to show that one
picture to I knew no one who was

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interested in the topic. And you
know, I consider myself pretty

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educated but I didn't know
anything about the UFO topic. So

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I just wondered for two years
what this advanced technology

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that's what hit me advanced
technology that was had an

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intelligence behind it was right
outside our bedroom window.

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didn't see anything remotely,
even close to that for two

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years. Now while we're on these
pictures, I will tell you a

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study that was done a year after
the mass sighting. We had

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another sighting that some of
that footage was talked about

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amazing over right through a
frog we had straight lines and

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mirror images. And the final
thing was a giant pyramid in the

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same spot. By the way, as you're
looking now, I'm at a distance.

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And anyway, four of us caught
north, south, east and west,

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this 1998 sighting. And I had
met with very few people at that

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point because I just wanted to
have my pictures, analyze and

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find a logical explanation. And
I met with Linda Moulton Howe,

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who recommended that I show my
data to Dr. Bruce Maccabee,

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navy, optical physicist, very
well respected in the field. So

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I figured, okay, it's time to
call him so I called him up, I

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sent him the video from the four
different people that took this

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big sighting in 98. And as an
afterthought, and by then I had

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another picture of the first and
the last picture, I sent that to

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him to find out what that close
sighting was. He calls me two

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weeks later, he says, Dr. Lin,
he says, You told me that that

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close lighting and 95 was only a
couple minutes. I said, right.

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He said, Are you sure? I said?
Absolutely. He said, well ask

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your husband. Interestingly, now
he was inside, I was outside. He

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didn't want to talk about it. He
would get agitated when I

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brought up the close seating,
which didn't make sense to me.

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Because to me, it was awesome
and wonderful. And, you know,

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you have to realize that
everybody comes from a different

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background from a different
upbringing from a different

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belief system. Some people can't
deal with this topic. Some

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people don't want to, and that's
okay. Everyone in their own

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time. And if you want to fit
into a logical explanation, if

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it gives you comfort, so be it.
But now there's data. And this

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really gets interesting, because
he said to me, you've got to

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cooperate with your husband and
I just sat my husband down. I

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said, Look, we don't have to
talk about the close citing.

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Mind you this is three years
later. But how long? Do you

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remember the close citing in 95?
Being he says, I don't know,

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three, four minutes tops. I went
back to Dr. McCabe, he says

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that's impossible. I said, What
do you mean, he said, Look at

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the pictures. Let's look at the
pictures. Real quick again,

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because he was the first to
notice that there were the same

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exact phenomenon at a distance
in the same exact location,

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we're going to get to that, that
I would also photograph two

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months before the main sighting.
And subsequently, after my

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setting, I'm doing the math as
well. And he also noticed that

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the orbs, the close orbs moved
from the left to the right in

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the last picture. Also, he says
to me, that's not the most

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significant thing. He said, Look
at the skyline. Let's go back to

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the first picture. Because he
says look at the skyline. There

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are many lights on and not just
individual groups of lights on

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in the first picture that are
off. In the last picture. He

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said, That doesn't happen in a
couple minutes. He said I want

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you to do an experiment. He was
very meticulous in his research,

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he said stand on the balcony,
approximately the same place you

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were standing in 95. Take a
picture of the skyline. And of

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course, this is three years
later. But nonetheless, take a

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picture of the skyline one
night, every hour, the next

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slide every half hour. And I
actually did it another night,

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every 15 minutes to see when
these groups of lights go out?

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Well, I usually take a bath
between seven and eight. So

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let's be conservative and say
eight o'clock starting point.

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The lights start going out at
nine o'clock. The last picture

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if you want to go to that one.
The second one is indicative of

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10 3011 o'clock. And he actually
did it again a few years back

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for National Geographic show and
had better software and saw that

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there were more lights that when
that were on in the first

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picture that were often the last
picture and he asked me can I

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present this case in the
upcoming 1999 Move on which will

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UFO Network International
Symposium and I said, Hey, Dr.

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McCabe, this is your baby, I
would have never ever realized

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this data. Just do me one big
favor, keep my name out of it. I

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really wanted to say a lot of
it. And he presented the case in

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1999 and Washington DC, the move
on International Symposium as

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the first and to this day the
only that we know of

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authenticated photographic
evidence of missing time. Now, I

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couldn't wrap my head around, I
still get but be that as it may,

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I didn't even put it in my first
book in 2004. When I came

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forward, it wasn't until 2010.
And the reason that I shared it

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then, because the response to
the book was was just so

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phenomenal. And people really
appreciated the dedication and

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the work that went into what I
preach my whole medical career

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aside for seven years to find a
logical explanation which I have

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yet to find. But the point with
the missing time is that if that

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can open the door, maybe two
more research by scientists,

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that to show that linear time
our view of time is primitive,

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past, present and future may not
be what time is plus by then.

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physics itself has gotten so
advanced to say that there might

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be 10 or 11 different dimensions
out there. Well, if there are

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other times and spaces along
with ours, then why is it so

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inconceivable that there
couldn't be sanctioned

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intelligent beings in those
other times and spaces that we

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get glimpses of if we're open to
them, or invited. So that's why

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I actually shared it. And I'm
sharing it today, I just started

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sharing it with my cast. But I
wanted to let your viewers who

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are very sophisticated as you
are, with the data, know this

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part because this is really
important data. Now, we fast

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forward two years, we can put a
hold on that for a sec. And I

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hadn't seen anything, anything
remotely similar to those close

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lights. And until two months
before the mass sighting. I'm

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lying in bed. And I noticed out
of the big picture window, three

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Amber orbs in a row now, totally
equal distance from each other,

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hovering for minutes. Huge, but
there were a distance in the

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West. And I thought, wait a
minute, they're Amber, their

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information, they're hovering
for a minute. And each one

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actually shrunk from right to
left. And I thought, well, very

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similar to 95. And I mentioned
it to my husband again, he

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didn't want to talk about it. He
said, Do I still have to go to

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work tomorrow, we would make a
joke out of it. And the next

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night, he was at a medical board
meeting. And I'm standing and I

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got upstairs and I see out of
the sliding glass door that's

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perpendicular to the big window
that I had stepped out. And 95

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the same three orbs are now at a
distance but in front of South

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Mountain. And I knew they were
in front of South Mountain

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because there's red blinking
lights on the top of the

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mountain to alert air planes
coming into sky harbor, which is

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just in front of South Mountain
and I thought okay, enough, I

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run upstairs, grab my video
camera, I get about 18 seconds

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worth the battery goes dead. I
run inside, I hook it up, I go

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outside, they're gone. My
husband comes up to the end is

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about eight o'clock. He comes up
to drive about 830 and I go

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outside I'd say remember, last
night I told you about the three

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orbs in a in a line for West.
Well, let's just half an hour

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ago, they were right in front of
stuff. And as I'm pointing like

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this, they reappear in the same
spot. I get you guys. And it was

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like whoa, I gotta get a
picture. And that's another

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little coincidence because in
video, it doesn't do the lights

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justice. They're much smaller,
they're white, they flicker

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nonetheless to the train die.
The formations are very

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compelling. But I run upstairs,
I grab my 35 million right get

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out to shoot the three suddenly,
six lights across NASA span over

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a mile wide pop on above the
three and it was unnerving. But

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not having an explanation for
guiding me by I started to

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shake. I thought oh my goodness,
it's just a mothership or wait.

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And keep in mind, I don't think
about you. Stuff like that, but

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popped in my head. Go to the
next picture, if you would.

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Thank you. And you will say
that, I don't I don't see it.

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John Greenewald: It's Oh, sorry.
Yeah, I apologize.

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Dr. Lynne Kitei: There we go.
There we go. Yes. You'll see

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that it's wavy because I was
shaking. But I kept my wits

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about me, thank goodness. And I
kept clicking away to second

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picture, John to me, and and
you're so knowledgeable. To me,

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it's a smoking gun. That second
picture. If you can go to the

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next one. This one, right there
is five lights it looks like a

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five lights in a V with two
underneath 1000s of people now

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mind this is January 97. Two
months later, during the mass

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sighting would describe what
they saw whether it was just

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lights or actual craft five
lights in a V formation with two

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trailing lights. This is two
months before the mass sighting.

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Same thing. And in science, we
look for repeatability. Right.

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Yeah.

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John Greenewald: If I can jump
in and ask you one question. I

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have one about the missing time.
But we'll get back to that. The

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the area that you live in,
obviously, I'm sure you had

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already talked about all the
objects that you see. Just to

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kind of, you know, cut off at
the past. Anybody who's watching

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that goes, well, maybe they were
aircraft flares as you describe

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them slowly going out we see
flares, right? And that's what I

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want to get to. So you obviously
see those two very quickly. Can

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you explain to those out there
that may have that question?

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What is the difference when you
see an obvious aircraft flare

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and I know this will come I will
get?

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Dr. Lynne Kitei: Definitely
yeah, I know. But it's a great

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question because these orbs as I
described, the light did not

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extend outside the edge, okay,
and they don't budge. They're

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rock solid. Okay, flares don't
do that. Okay, especially at the

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time military elimination
flares, they drift and drop,

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they're dropped from aircraft
on. And we'll get to that with a

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with a big parachute. And they
drift with the wind haphazardly.

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And what's significant. And not
one person that saw the true I

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know, it's called the Phoenix
lights describe this, we're huge

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smoke trails that are
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And they're meant to illuminate
the area around it, so that

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their heat seeking in the
missiles that might be coming

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towards the plane will seek
towards the flare instead.

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Nobody ever described any of
that. And we're going to get to

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that, because there's a very
important call that I got from

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the Air National Guard, a month
after a front page, USA Today

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article, but I want to get ahead
of myself.

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John Greenewald: No, no, that's
okay. And that was exactly what

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I was looking for. Because it is
very interesting to hear that

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from you to hear that you are
well acquainted with those

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aircraft flares. And obviously
skeptics and debunkers. They

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want to throw that out there,
whenever there's a nighttime

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sighting of or, you know, have a
flickering out light, they

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immediately go there. So the
fact that you know the

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difference and can adequately
explain it exactly what I was

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looking for. Just really quickly
about the the missing time,

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which was a really interesting
point, I believe and forgive me,

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I don't recall the camera you
said you used? Was it a digital

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camera film,

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Dr. Lynne Kitei: I think that's
what's so unique about my

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photographic collection, is that
I was using a 35 millimeter

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camera. Yeah, in the negative.
That's what's so powerful about

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my dad. And one of the reasons I
also had to come forward not

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only as a scientist to show the
data, as a physician to let

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people know, they're not crazy,
even the most anomalies can be

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explained. And also if you keep
it inside, people that have

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paranormal experiences real to
them, and it's it's assessors,

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it's cathartic to share it even
with just one person as an

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experiencer. I knew what that
felt like. And as an educator

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for vital issues for 40 years.
Now going on 50. It, you know,

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how could I not share this data.
And this is really important

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that and that's one of the main,
big, big points, the difference.

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And we'll get to that I have
pictures to show and it's just

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the data speaks for itself, the
difference between true unknowns

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and flares, which is the only
explanation that the military

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and government ever came up
with, and they had to come up

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with something we're going to
get to that, because it's

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amazing how the story unfolded.
It's, it's very, it's fun to

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talk about it. But it's also
interesting to see how the story

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00:27:36,090 --> 00:27:38,790
unfolded, because if we go to
the next picture, and I'll get

430
00:27:38,790 --> 00:27:42,450
through these quickly for you,
in this series, and again,

431
00:27:42,450 --> 00:27:45,780
they're in the negative, they
cannot be manipulated or

432
00:27:45,780 --> 00:27:49,980
changed, it's in the negative.
As I'm watching this head on,

433
00:27:50,670 --> 00:27:54,810
the top formation turned into a
V, you can see as the three on

434
00:27:54,810 --> 00:27:58,110
the bottom are starting to
disappear, the top formation is

435
00:27:58,110 --> 00:28:03,720
starting to turn. And the last
one you can even see that every

436
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,400
other one is bigger than the one
in between if we can go to the

437
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,240
next picture.

438
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:13,680
There we go. And this is all
been analyzed by military and

439
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,710
university optical experts.
Throughout the years, the head

440
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:18,960
of the political science
department at University of

441
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:25,140
Arizona took a big big interest
in my data and the story itself

442
00:28:25,140 --> 00:28:29,010
and actually got a whole group
together a big scientists to to

443
00:28:29,010 --> 00:28:32,280
study this, as well as
approximate to do to photography

444
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:37,170
and Dr. Bruce Maccabee and many
others. And what was deciphered

445
00:28:37,170 --> 00:28:40,140
from this is that every other
one is bigger than the one in

446
00:28:40,140 --> 00:28:45,090
between so that we might be
looking at a VI where the bigger

447
00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:48,810
orbs are the closer arm and the
further away orbs are the

448
00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:53,910
smaller ones. Very interesting.
Could I and this is really

449
00:28:53,910 --> 00:28:59,250
important. Yeah, I read inside
as the ones were disappearing on

450
00:28:59,250 --> 00:29:01,710
the bottom to call the Arizona
Republic and say get somebody

451
00:29:01,710 --> 00:29:03,720
out there quickly, strange
lights in front of South

452
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,530
Mountain and take some get
somebody to take a picture. By

453
00:29:07,530 --> 00:29:09,990
the time I finished my sentence.
They were gone. Didn't sleep.

454
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:12,240
Well that night. The next
morning, I got up I figured

455
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,910
look, there's got to be a
logical explanation. I call the

456
00:29:14,910 --> 00:29:18,000
Arizona Republic again and asked
if anybody had phoned them to

457
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,940
report strange lights in front
of South Mountain to get off she

458
00:29:20,940 --> 00:29:23,340
gets right back on. She said
nope. Nobody called Well, I know

459
00:29:23,340 --> 00:29:26,910
I called. So I said, Look, we
saw something really unusual. He

460
00:29:26,910 --> 00:29:29,700
says sometimes Luke Air Force
Base, and this is for the other

461
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:33,420
people out there that you know,
and that's fine. I mean, you

462
00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:35,760
know, there's lots of stuff in
our skies now, including other

463
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,480
things, drones and satellites
and all but I thought you know

464
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,720
what I'm gonna call Luke Air
Force Base and see if there was

465
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,420
some kind of experimental
maneuver or something right. I

466
00:29:45,420 --> 00:29:48,900
try to be very professional. My
husband and I are both positions

467
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:51,690
with a mountainside and Paradise
Valley. We saw some strange

468
00:29:51,690 --> 00:29:53,310
lights in front of South
Mountain. Do you know what they

469
00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:56,550
might have been? And from the
get go, she had an attitude. And

470
00:29:56,550 --> 00:29:59,070
she said they didn't come into
look out for space and they

471
00:29:59,070 --> 00:30:01,920
didn't come out for me. So they
had nothing to do with it. I

472
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,010
said Be that as it may, we did
see them and I even got pictures

473
00:30:05,010 --> 00:30:07,380
of them. How can I find out what
they were? She said, Well, you

474
00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:10,080
said it was near the airport
want to call them okay. Now it

475
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,800
was a mission. I call the FAA
told her the same thing. Very

476
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,740
nice girl. She gets off she gets
back on she says there actually

477
00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:19,710
was a group of air traffic
controllers here last night they

478
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:23,460
did see some strange lights in
front of South Mountain. And

479
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:29,070
actually they were overclass be
restricted airspace. Now, I

480
00:30:29,070 --> 00:30:32,310
could I please talk to at least
one of them to see if we saw the

481
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:35,340
same thing. Again, trying to be
as scientific as I could.

482
00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:38,940
Finally he gets back, he gets on
the phone. And I met him

483
00:30:38,940 --> 00:30:42,390
subsequently really low key guy.
He was more excited than me. So

484
00:30:42,390 --> 00:30:45,090
did you see the society where
you go from each other at 830?

485
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:47,580
Last night? I said, Yes, I saw
them. He said actually, they

486
00:30:47,580 --> 00:30:49,590
were three at eight o'clock. I
saw them too. And he was

487
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:53,670
thrilled that I saw them at a
distance. When this popped up

488
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:57,660
1000 feet altitude, they got
alarmed. Because there's a 30

489
00:30:57,660 --> 00:31:00,270
mile radius around the center of
the airport, anyone that comes

490
00:31:00,270 --> 00:31:03,960
into that airspace, particularly
1000 feet that these were they

491
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,930
must call into the tower and no
one did. So they looked on radar

492
00:31:06,930 --> 00:31:09,660
didn't show up on radar took
their high powered binoculars to

493
00:31:09,660 --> 00:31:12,900
look and we're talking about
professional skywatchers hear

494
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:15,240
and in his own words, he said
there were six points of light,

495
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,080
totally equidistant from each
other massive span over a mile

496
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,980
wide, that seemed to be attached
to something. But they couldn't

497
00:31:22,980 --> 00:31:26,940
quite see what they were
attached to. And he was a

498
00:31:26,940 --> 00:31:31,680
meteorologist and said the
entire thing turned as a unit

499
00:31:31,710 --> 00:31:36,720
against the wind and elevated
slowly and moved in synchrony

500
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,340
behind South Mountain as if they
were attached to something or at

501
00:31:41,340 --> 00:31:45,570
a rock solid forcefield in
between. So I said, Well, so

502
00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:48,750
what were they and there was
silence. And then he said Beats

503
00:31:48,750 --> 00:31:51,060
me. I said you're an air traffic
control. You're supposed to do

504
00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:54,300
what's in our airspace. They
ruled out John, every

505
00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:59,700
conventional aircraft, balloons,
Chinese lanterns, flares, you

506
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:04,410
name it, holograms, and even
skydivers with lights. That was

507
00:32:04,410 --> 00:32:07,170
one of the things they rolled
out. We kept in contact, I

508
00:32:07,170 --> 00:32:09,900
continued photographing these
lights and see that's why this

509
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:13,590
that is really important,
because it's two years and two

510
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:17,130
months before the mass lighting.
It wasn't just march 13, which

511
00:32:17,130 --> 00:32:20,190
everybody focuses on, especially
the skeptics and debunkers.

512
00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:24,360
Okay, they've got to know and
learn, if they choose that there

513
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,400
is an app for how to come
forward, there's much more to

514
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,660
this story. Anyway, on March
13 1997, that was just another

515
00:32:30,660 --> 00:32:35,430
night to me. And previously, a
couple weeks before my husband's

516
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:38,160
getting a little annoyed with me
running out and taking pictures,

517
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,430
every time I saw these lights,
again, the scientist in me, and

518
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:44,340
I thought, Okay, I've got to
start showing the video to my

519
00:32:44,340 --> 00:32:47,040
friends and find out if anybody
knows anybody I can show this to

520
00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:50,280
this is how close I was a friend
of a friend had a neighbor who

521
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,370
had a friend who's a past
president of mu phi Mutual UFO

522
00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:57,000
Network, which I had never heard
of before. And he hooked me up

523
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,000
with a field investigator to
meet with him on the following

524
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,030
Wednesday, who calls me on
Tuesday because the then state

525
00:33:03,030 --> 00:33:06,090
director wanted to be there. His
mama pass on Saturday, the

526
00:33:06,090 --> 00:33:09,030
funeral was Wednesday morning,
could we postpone? I said, Whoa,

527
00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:11,370
I am so busy for another two,
three weeks, I have a little

528
00:33:11,370 --> 00:33:14,550
opening Friday morning at 10. He
said, Great. I knock on his

529
00:33:14,550 --> 00:33:17,970
door, he opens the door. The
first thing he says to me is Do

530
00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:21,690
you see them as siding last
night. And I saw I saw something

531
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,530
very similar to what I told you
about two months ago. In fact,

532
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,670
it looked like the same exact
thing. And I got video of it. He

533
00:33:29,670 --> 00:33:34,470
says great. Because NBC Why
don't help tips for the early

534
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:37,980
80s. And Phoenix was coming to
interview him in a half an

535
00:33:37,980 --> 00:33:41,040
hour's and whoa, whoa. I said
first of all, I don't know what

536
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,330
we're dealing with here. Is it
military or a hoax, or whatever.

537
00:33:45,510 --> 00:33:47,790
But it's not about me, it's
never been about me, John, it's

538
00:33:47,790 --> 00:33:51,540
about the data. And I said take
a copy of the video, share it

539
00:33:51,540 --> 00:33:55,770
with whoever I'm out of here.
Oh, and by the way, I called the

540
00:33:55,770 --> 00:33:57,720
air traffic controllers this
morning because it looked like

541
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,330
the same thing in the same spot.
And they confirmed that it was

542
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,170
it was 1000 feet altitude over
Class B restricted airspace.

543
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,100
Plus, a couple of pilots called
in a commercial airline pilot

544
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:11,280
who was on departure said what
the hell are these lights over

545
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,150
me and a private pilot called in
who we're going to get to later

546
00:34:15,330 --> 00:34:19,290
who said that he was on close
approach. And so the five lates

547
00:34:19,290 --> 00:34:23,310
in a v which is initially what I
saw, too. And when I got out to

548
00:34:23,310 --> 00:34:26,520
the to the balcony to shoot it
they had turned or whatever and

549
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,470
I caught this three endpoints of
a giant V or triangle. And so in

550
00:34:31,470 --> 00:34:34,890
other words, he was saying it
and reporting it well I've only

551
00:34:34,890 --> 00:34:39,930
it which we'll get to later and
interesting person who it was,

552
00:34:40,050 --> 00:34:43,020
but I even put it in my book in
the original book because I

553
00:34:43,020 --> 00:34:45,840
thought wow, pilots saw it too.
And it was overclass Bereishit

554
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,550
airspace. And I said, you know,
it was the same exact thing and

555
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:53,760
I said I'm out of here and I
left and four o'clock the first

556
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,950
news that came on in the
afternoon I was sitting in front

557
00:34:55,950 --> 00:35:00,750
of my VCR and every you know how
they do Breaking News. Every new

558
00:35:00,750 --> 00:35:04,380
station he gave it to everyone
had my video up there. It was

559
00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:06,600
really exciting, John to tell
you the truth. I mean, having

560
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,150
seen these things and
documenting them for two years,

561
00:35:09,450 --> 00:35:12,840
and now finding out that 1000s
of people. So what I had been

562
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,730
saying, and and here I wanted to
show them what I had seen by the

563
00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:20,820
Nine O'Clock News, a couple
other videos came out. Now this

564
00:35:20,820 --> 00:35:25,350
is also significant, because my
video and another video in

565
00:35:25,350 --> 00:35:29,610
arrowhead have five lights.
Interestingly, Steve launder

566
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,100
another witness. And there were
others who were seeing these

567
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:35,850
lights along with me for a
couple of weeks before and he

568
00:35:35,850 --> 00:35:41,190
called Move on up to his balcony
and actually captured a kind of

569
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:46,170
a an arrowhead of five lights.
Before 10 o'clock. There were a

570
00:35:46,170 --> 00:35:49,290
couple of boomerang videos, and
they've been the ones that have

571
00:35:49,290 --> 00:35:53,670
been under fire for being placed
shot after 10 o'clock. We'll get

572
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:57,150
to that as well. But anyway, on
March 13, for anybody who

573
00:35:57,150 --> 00:36:01,200
doesn't know out there, and by
the way, there's so much mis and

574
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:07,380
disinformation out there. I am
here today to share the data,

575
00:36:07,830 --> 00:36:10,650
the real time to to set the
record straight, because it

576
00:36:10,650 --> 00:36:13,920
wasn't just one or two events,
as you would hear in the media.

577
00:36:14,490 --> 00:36:18,510
It was many events and not just
for a couple of hours. Yes,

578
00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:21,810
between eight and 10 is when
most people were outside that

579
00:36:21,810 --> 00:36:25,200
evening on a very clear,
beautiful evening, looking up at

580
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,920
the sky for a glimpse of the
Hale Bopp comet when they also

581
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,820
caught a glimpse of a mile. And
we learned from Peter Davenport,

582
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,780
for the 20th anniversary, we
were in Oregon at a conference

583
00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:40,020
for celebrating the Phoenix
lights. And he actually shared

584
00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:43,830
from his data, the National UFO
Reporting Center in Seattle,

585
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,030
that one of these objects,
whether it was orbs that seemed

586
00:36:48,030 --> 00:36:53,250
to be attached to something or
actual craft was eight miles

587
00:36:53,250 --> 00:36:56,040
wide. I thought he was kidding.
But he has confirmed it several

588
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:01,530
times after. And not only that
it was eight miles wide,

589
00:37:01,530 --> 00:37:04,440
whatever this phenomenon was
whatever this UAP was,

590
00:37:04,650 --> 00:37:06,900
John Greenewald: but you witness
testimony, or yes,

591
00:37:07,410 --> 00:37:09,390
Dr. Lynne Kitei: he's gotten
hundreds and hundreds and

592
00:37:09,390 --> 00:37:11,760
hundreds go to the National UFO
Reporting Center and click the

593
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,820
next light. He has pictures and
drawings and all kinds of stuff.

594
00:37:14,820 --> 00:37:21,750
It's phenomenal. Plus, not only
was it massive, okay, but we're

595
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:25,830
talking that the mass sighting
actually started on March 13. At

596
00:37:25,830 --> 00:37:28,320
3pm. In the afternoon, there
were daylight savings in

597
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,040
Arizona, five o'clock hour,
there were reports from Native

598
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,180
Americans in New Mexico, seven
o'clock hour and beyond in

599
00:37:36,180 --> 00:37:40,260
California, the 10 o'clock hour,
there were two commercial

600
00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:44,610
airline pilots who were
approaching Las Vegas who called

601
00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:47,370
in and it took one of them she's
female, and she took years to

602
00:37:47,370 --> 00:37:49,500
get in touch with me. But and
then I found out there was

603
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:55,770
another one as well. They called
into radar to ask what does it

604
00:37:55,770 --> 00:38:00,870
massive craft was covering Las
Vegas, and the sightings

605
00:38:00,870 --> 00:38:04,170
continue till 530. The next
morning the last report that I

606
00:38:04,170 --> 00:38:08,310
got personally from a very
credible Boeing crewman, who

607
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:11,040
told me that his whole crew was
coming into work at Sky Harbor

608
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,030
International Airport and one of
these over a mile wide craft was

609
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:19,530
hovering overhead there, tarmac,
so we're talking not only over a

610
00:38:19,530 --> 00:38:24,090
dozen hours, multiple things
happening at the same time in

611
00:38:24,090 --> 00:38:27,810
four different states. Okay, so
this is data that most people

612
00:38:27,810 --> 00:38:31,920
have no idea unless they read my
book, or, or hear me at a

613
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,680
conference or like that. So I
appreciate you letting me share

614
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,490
this. The other thing that's
really interesting is that it

615
00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:41,790
wasn't just these orb light
formations that seemed to be

616
00:38:41,790 --> 00:38:44,280
attached to something or had a
force field holding them and

617
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,920
rock solid, either v or
Boomerang, or delta or triangle

618
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,360
formations. But there were
multiple craft, if you go on the

619
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,800
gap page gap geospatial
animation project on the Phoenix

620
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,090
lights Network website,
beautifully illustrated by Larry

621
00:39:03,090 --> 00:39:06,720
Lowe, and there's animations
there as well. It was a 12 year

622
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:12,720
study, meticulous study by the
investigators here in Phoenix,

623
00:39:13,020 --> 00:39:17,130
two or more people had to see
the same craft. And if you if

624
00:39:17,130 --> 00:39:20,400
you scroll down, you'll see some
of the correct there were that

625
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,160
No, by the way, there were that
shows that there were multiple

626
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,750
things happening that's just an
hour happening just over Phoenix

627
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:30,600
at the same time. And if you
scroll down, you'll see some of

628
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,110
the other crafts now whether it
was one craft, and there were 10

629
00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:37,260
different craft by the way, one
craft that could morph to look

630
00:39:37,260 --> 00:39:40,170
different and they look very
different. Or it was the

631
00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:44,010
perspective from where the
person was standing, or an

632
00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:47,940
actual parade. And ultimately,
that's just keep on scrolling

633
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:51,000
down you'll see they're very
different. And there you go.

634
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,990
That one by the way, that one I
found the video and you can see

635
00:39:54,990 --> 00:39:57,990
that each light is composed of
three lights. I found the video

636
00:39:57,990 --> 00:40:02,940
from Russia St. Petersburg,
Russia Right, about the same

637
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:08,310
type of us, as we had the mass
sighting, with showing a V shape

638
00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:12,750
with every light is three
lights. So decide for yourself,

639
00:40:12,810 --> 00:40:16,560
if you scroll down that that is
well, there you go, there's the

640
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,150
three lights. And then also what
people were seeing were not only

641
00:40:21,150 --> 00:40:23,490
these multiple crafts and
whether it was one crafts that

642
00:40:23,490 --> 00:40:26,190
could morph into looking
different, the perspective from

643
00:40:26,190 --> 00:40:29,400
where the person was standing,
or parade. And if you scroll

644
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,700
down even more, you're going to
see, look at that, I mean, just

645
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:35,100
totally different. There's a
triangle that went over a

646
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:36,540
hospice group. And that's what

647
00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:40,530
our governor saw, we'll talk
about that a bit a little bit

648
00:40:40,530 --> 00:40:45,120
later, one of these crafts
actually split into and shot up.

649
00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:48,690
Other people saw these orbs,
like that one detached from the

650
00:40:48,690 --> 00:40:52,020
main object, go out into the
environment, and then read doc

651
00:40:52,020 --> 00:40:55,590
with it later. Is that what
happened 95 I'll leave that up

652
00:40:55,590 --> 00:41:00,780
to you. And even after, by the
way, after midnight, there was a

653
00:41:00,810 --> 00:41:05,580
pilot out in carefree with a son
who saw a disc shaped object.

654
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:09,570
And just a few years ago, a
fella from Prescott came forward

655
00:41:10,410 --> 00:41:15,660
to very, very meticulously
describe that what he saw was

656
00:41:15,660 --> 00:41:19,140
and if we go down further, a
boomerang, and we have another

657
00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:23,610
witness that also and there's
some of the animations for you,

658
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,620
who also saw this boomerang
coming over Camelback Mountain.

659
00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:33,600
So there was a lot of stuff to
save time, over four states 10

660
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,330
different craft if there were
different or maybe it was one

661
00:41:36,330 --> 00:41:39,060
that could more for the
perspective. But there was so

662
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:42,330
much happening and the
technology itself, John, I mean,

663
00:41:42,330 --> 00:41:46,800
we're talking the massiveness of
this thing, without a sound

664
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:51,180
totally silent something. So I
take off at blink speed with

665
00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:54,570
added in dispersing the air.
What do we have now that even

666
00:41:54,570 --> 00:42:00,210
comes close 25 years, since
there's nothing that we know of

667
00:42:00,630 --> 00:42:05,070
that even comes close to this
kind of technology. And we find

668
00:42:05,070 --> 00:42:09,240
out and we have a recording in
our documentary from an alleged

669
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:11,610
crewman from Luke Air Force
Base, who called the National

670
00:42:11,610 --> 00:42:15,600
UFO Reporting Center at 3am. The
next morning, very professional,

671
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,960
very detailed, that jets were
sent off from Luke Air Force

672
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,410
Base to intercept one of these
craft that was hovering right

673
00:42:22,410 --> 00:42:25,560
over Central Phoenix. And we
have civilians that saw this

674
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,350
happening by the way, and we
have one of them. It's coming up

675
00:42:28,350 --> 00:42:32,880
in our our big, march 20. We
celebrate the Phoenix lights,

676
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,550
the Scottsdale heart and Shay
theater and she'll be sharing

677
00:42:35,550 --> 00:42:39,120
her sighting of seeing these
jets approach one of these

678
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,690
massive craft over Central
Phoenix as it got, as it got

679
00:42:42,690 --> 00:42:46,860
close, the lights started to
dim. And then the entire thing

680
00:42:46,860 --> 00:42:49,830
blinked out and disappeared,
talk about technology and

681
00:42:49,830 --> 00:42:53,610
freaked out one of the pilots
who this alleged crewman said

682
00:42:53,610 --> 00:42:56,460
that he helped out of his
aircraft. So we're talking about

683
00:42:56,460 --> 00:42:59,850
multiple things happening for
over a dozen hours in four

684
00:42:59,850 --> 00:43:03,300
different states and incredible
technology. And yet

685
00:43:04,770 --> 00:43:12,360
no investigation. No explanation
for months. It was bizarre. I

686
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,450
mean, we were the the elected
officials would be a person is

687
00:43:15,450 --> 00:43:18,060
it oh, what something happened
on March 13. And we're talking

688
00:43:18,060 --> 00:43:21,900
about rooftop level. Some people
said that they could have thrown

689
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:26,910
a rock at it. It was close, just
miraculous data. And yet there

690
00:43:26,910 --> 00:43:31,710
was nothing for months in May.
Former Phoenix Vice Mayor

691
00:43:31,830 --> 00:43:34,770
Councilwoman Francis forward
innocently because so many of

692
00:43:34,770 --> 00:43:37,980
her constituents you got to her
1000 calls, asked why isn't

693
00:43:37,980 --> 00:43:41,880
there investigation asked for
one and she was plastered. I

694
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,810
have to tell you, John in 97,
there was so much ridicule and

695
00:43:45,810 --> 00:43:49,110
snickering and discrediting of
any of the witnesses that came

696
00:43:49,110 --> 00:43:52,260
forward or anybody that inquired
about it. I was very happy.

697
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:57,720
Because the week after the mass
sighting, I see my video on TV

698
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:00,450
and they're interviewing a fella
right in Tempe right near

699
00:44:00,450 --> 00:44:03,480
Arizona State University in a
big computer lab, Jim Dell

700
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,570
atossa, who was showing pictures
that he was studying on the side

701
00:44:06,570 --> 00:44:09,420
from all over the world for like
20 years of the same exact

702
00:44:09,420 --> 00:44:11,880
phenomena of these orbs and
triangle formations from

703
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,920
Russian, Belgium and UK and I
blew me away. And that day, I

704
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,040
started to keep a journal. I
pushed my whole medical careers

705
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,040
I accomplished that, of course,
I defined a logical explanation

706
00:44:23,250 --> 00:44:27,960
and kept a diary every day.
Media reports, military reports,

707
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,870
you name it, even talking to
witnesses, which we're going to

708
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:34,440
get to because in real time and
long term, just the effect on

709
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,310
them, which is phenomenal. We
just let the story unfold a

710
00:44:38,310 --> 00:44:43,050
little bit. I was very happy to
stay anonymous after the Warwick

711
00:44:43,050 --> 00:44:45,810
thing because they had little
jokes in the paper about her and

712
00:44:45,810 --> 00:44:52,380
all that. Okay. we fast forward
June 18. Once later, front page

713
00:44:52,380 --> 00:44:56,520
USA Today article suddenly,
people from outside of Arizona

714
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,000
we're hearing about our mass
sighting for the first time and

715
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,660
We didn't have social media at
the time. And yet overnight, it

716
00:45:03,690 --> 00:45:07,830
went viral. And we were deluge
tremie by media from all over

717
00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:10,980
the world. Not only that, but
every national Morning Show

718
00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:14,700
Peter Jennings Dan Rather you
name it, we're talking about the

719
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:19,320
Phoenix lights. And the late
morning on the following day,

720
00:45:20,250 --> 00:45:24,990
because all the reporters when
they talk to the witnesses, they

721
00:45:24,990 --> 00:45:28,680
too were saying their reports
are so detailed and so hard. So

722
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:30,930
why isn't there an
investigation? Why isn't there

723
00:45:30,930 --> 00:45:34,800
an explanation? The very next
day, the 19th by late morning,

724
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,800
it was a big public announcement
that our former governor

725
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,650
Simonton was calling a press
conference for that afternoon,

726
00:45:40,740 --> 00:45:44,610
unscheduled, to reveal the
culprit of the lights over

727
00:45:44,610 --> 00:45:47,280
Phoenix and people took it
seriously. There were media

728
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,180
there, there were parents there.
He comes marching out one of the

729
00:45:51,180 --> 00:45:54,900
days with a giant alien head
costume and made a mockery of

730
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:57,360
it, which was really
disconcerting, especially for

731
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,210
parents that were with children
that saw something two, three

732
00:46:00,210 --> 00:46:03,330
miles wide, and he's making a
joke out of it. It wasn't a

733
00:46:03,330 --> 00:46:07,170
joke, especially for me. Okay, I
saw these things up close and

734
00:46:07,170 --> 00:46:10,470
personal. And now 1000s of other
people saw it I've been seeing,

735
00:46:10,770 --> 00:46:14,490
I called every military base
that next month. And they were

736
00:46:14,490 --> 00:46:16,500
more interested in seeing my
data. They wanted to meet with

737
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,230
me, and I didn't tell them
anything, no details. I just

738
00:46:19,230 --> 00:46:22,350
wanted to know what was going
on. They were just Just curious.

739
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:25,680
In fact, one of them and I have
it in the book said well, the

740
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,310
only people that know this or
God and whoever did this. That

741
00:46:29,310 --> 00:46:35,310
was his answer. Okay. I get a
call on July 24. From one of the

742
00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:38,190
heads of PR their National
Guard. Oh, Dr. Lin, I think we

743
00:46:38,190 --> 00:46:40,320
know what those lights were back
in March. And I was thrilled I

744
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,050
was looking for any logical
explanation. She says Do you

745
00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:46,740
believe that nobody was ever
looked at the log for visiting

746
00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:49,950
our National Guard and the
maroon when the Air National

747
00:46:49,950 --> 00:46:53,190
Guard was in town sending off
military illumination flares and

748
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:56,760
operation? Snowbird, and you
probably know that that means

749
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:01,170
diversionary tactical maneuvers
in military terms. And they may

750
00:47:01,170 --> 00:47:03,990
have sent off some fliers to
divert attention away but not

751
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:07,080
one witness that I mentioned
earlier, describes what flowers

752
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,920
do. She said that must be what
some people saw. And I said wait

753
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,950
a minute. Um, when was the
Moreland Air National Garden

754
00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:17,490
county said March 1 to the 15th.
I said were they in town in

755
00:47:17,490 --> 00:47:20,340
January? She said Oh, no. I said
are you sure? She said

756
00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:24,780
absolutely not. I said well, my
husband and I saw the same exact

757
00:47:24,780 --> 00:47:28,380
phenomenon in the same exact
location two months before the

758
00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:32,730
mass sighting plus confirmed the
next morning in January. And the

759
00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:35,070
morning after the mass sighting
by air traffic controllers at

760
00:47:35,070 --> 00:47:38,610
Sky Harbor International
Airport, as being overclass very

761
00:47:38,610 --> 00:47:42,180
restricted airspace at 1000 feet
altitude and she says, You never

762
00:47:42,180 --> 00:47:45,330
told me that. I said, besides
you're trying to tell me that

763
00:47:45,330 --> 00:47:48,480
flares and I educated myself
anything including flares, that

764
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,570
cannot keep information as I
mentioned earlier, drift and

765
00:47:51,570 --> 00:47:56,130
drop with the wind haphazardly
on a parachute. Within seconds,

766
00:47:56,580 --> 00:48:00,270
minutes, the most of the ground,
have huge smoke trails

767
00:48:00,270 --> 00:48:03,750
illuminated by a flare that
illuminate the ground itself.

768
00:48:04,170 --> 00:48:06,870
Now one person described that
and you're trying to tell me

769
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:12,540
that flares traveled in a rock
solid equidistantly spaced mile

770
00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:17,970
wide V for hours. And she says,
I have a call coming in. I'll

771
00:48:17,970 --> 00:48:19,890
get back to you while I'm still
waiting, John.

772
00:48:21,390 --> 00:48:24,990
Fast forward above as we've as a
board, because it's so

773
00:48:24,990 --> 00:48:26,670
interesting. There's so much
more of the story that I'm

774
00:48:26,670 --> 00:48:30,480
giving you the the tip of the
iceberg. The big, big things

775
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,660
that happened which 10 years
after the mass sighting for

776
00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:36,450
whatever reason, our former
governor who had mocked the

777
00:48:36,450 --> 00:48:42,330
sighting in 97 came forward to
disclose it, he actually saw one

778
00:48:42,330 --> 00:48:46,530
of these crap. And the
definitely wasn't flares. And in

779
00:48:46,530 --> 00:48:49,770
his own words, which other
countries I found out, were

780
00:48:49,770 --> 00:48:54,060
saying the same using the same
word. It was other worldly,

781
00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:57,060
which is a big step forward.
Okay, the more credible people

782
00:48:57,060 --> 00:49:00,900
that come forward, the more
credibility to the whole Phoenix

783
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:06,930
lights mass sighting plus, right
after the New York Times had a

784
00:49:06,930 --> 00:49:12,810
front page article about the
study that Harry Reid funded $22

785
00:49:12,810 --> 00:49:17,370
billion study of UAP you know,
you unexplained aerial

786
00:49:17,370 --> 00:49:22,230
phenomena, and military and
government were admitting that

787
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:25,590
they were studying it. Shortly
after then the pilot, that

788
00:49:25,590 --> 00:49:32,160
private pilot who I had no idea
who was came forward and

789
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,780
happened to be actor Kurt
Russell. And his story is really

790
00:49:36,780 --> 00:49:41,520
amazing in itself because he
describes in a UK interview

791
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,530
very, very detailed and terrific
interview that he forgot about

792
00:49:46,530 --> 00:49:49,470
it for two years and we have
witnesses including in my book,

793
00:49:49,470 --> 00:49:52,290
a psychiatrist for this family
that was coming up from Tucson

794
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:56,100
to Phoenix towers away and one
of these craps was right above

795
00:49:56,130 --> 00:50:00,810
their car, and he said the
wingspan was was over The the

796
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,290
ground on either side of this
giant highway for some time and

797
00:50:04,290 --> 00:50:07,620
he saw the bottom and he also
gunmetal and beings at the

798
00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:10,140
windows. I mean, it's phenomenal
when you when you hear the

799
00:50:10,350 --> 00:50:14,370
description, they forgot about
it to nobody said a word. And

800
00:50:14,370 --> 00:50:14,520
they

801
00:50:15,210 --> 00:50:17,490
John Greenewald: can I interject
really quick. How do you forget

802
00:50:17,490 --> 00:50:19,860
about that? Like, I mean, you
would think that that would be

803
00:50:19,860 --> 00:50:24,630
just a mind blowing experience
that you just would not forget.

804
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:29,040
Is there some type of
psychological explanation? I'm a

805
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,750
you're a medical doctor, is
there some kind of of PTSD thing

806
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:35,190
like what explains that?

807
00:50:35,370 --> 00:50:37,260
Dr. Lynne Kitei: Like I said
earlier, some people can't deal

808
00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:41,130
with it. Some people don't want
to. What Kurt Russell said is

809
00:50:41,130 --> 00:50:44,610
that he totally he was with his
son who saw it. And usually

810
00:50:44,610 --> 00:50:48,090
kids, by the way, were the first
to see and I want to get into

811
00:50:48,090 --> 00:50:52,560
that in a second to this big V
coming towards him. And Oliver,

812
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,340
he was a more of an adult was a
one to alert his dad about this

813
00:50:56,340 --> 00:50:59,940
coming towards the airport. And
they never talked about it. And

814
00:50:59,940 --> 00:51:03,630
two years past that he came home
to Goldie Hawn, and she was

815
00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:05,670
watching your show and they were
talking about the Phoenix

816
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:08,280
lights. And he said wait a
minute that sounds familiar like

817
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:14,400
a Richard Dreyfuss movie. And he
he goes to his log and sees that

818
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,810
that was him that he was a pilot
that crawled into the tower. So

819
00:51:18,810 --> 00:51:21,990
yes, there were that is so
fascinating. And that would take

820
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:24,510
another hour to talk about. And
I want to get into that a little

821
00:51:24,510 --> 00:51:29,130
teeny bit because we are so
inundated with threat, threat,

822
00:51:29,130 --> 00:51:32,880
threat and harm, harm harm from
media from the from Hollywood,

823
00:51:33,060 --> 00:51:35,700
that Dr. Gary Schwartz, who's
the head of the consciousness

824
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:38,430
study department, the University
of Arizona makes a very poignant

825
00:51:38,430 --> 00:51:42,420
statement in the documentary. He
said, if you're just just

826
00:51:42,450 --> 00:51:47,730
hearing about something that you
should be afraid of, how do you

827
00:51:47,730 --> 00:51:49,740
think you're going to feel when
you see that something that you

828
00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:53,730
should be afraid of? Right? So
Independence Day movie was very

829
00:51:53,730 --> 00:51:56,580
popular at the time, right
before the Phoenix lights. And

830
00:51:56,580 --> 00:51:59,220
children. As I said, we're
usually the first ones to alert

831
00:51:59,220 --> 00:52:02,130
their parents, this giant V was
coming towards them and

832
00:52:02,130 --> 00:52:05,730
chatting, Independence Day
Independence Day. But as it got

833
00:52:05,730 --> 00:52:10,350
close, interestingly, a
communist came over everyone,

834
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,850
adults and children as well, a
connectedness to the phenomena

835
00:52:14,850 --> 00:52:18,000
that after it passed, not only
does the kids want to run after

836
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,480
it or have their parents get in
the car and chase it. But when

837
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,500
you look at the data, it's
unbelievable. There is not one

838
00:52:25,740 --> 00:52:30,330
not one credible report in 25
years now of harm, threat or

839
00:52:30,330 --> 00:52:33,420
abduction associated with the
Phoenix lights phenomenon. I

840
00:52:33,420 --> 00:52:36,330
can't speak for other things.
But I can speak for the Phoenix

841
00:52:36,330 --> 00:52:40,260
lights. If anything, it was just
the opposite. People were in awe

842
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:44,040
and wonder so many cars pulled
off the road because they were

843
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,750
curious, I have more people tell
me to this day, that they feel

844
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:52,350
blessed that they had the
experience. And also

845
00:52:52,350 --> 00:52:57,270
interestingly, a number of
witnesses, including the

846
00:52:57,270 --> 00:53:00,780
psychiatrist that I interviewed
told me that they had had near

847
00:53:00,780 --> 00:53:05,250
death experiences as children.
That was reawakened by the mass

848
00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:08,790
sighting. And that really hit me
hard, because I did too what I'm

849
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:11,250
trying to get into it, and I lay
it all out there in the book.

850
00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:16,530
But I thought whoa, I could
could there possibly be a

851
00:53:16,530 --> 00:53:20,940
connection between all
unexplained phenomenon not not

852
00:53:20,940 --> 00:53:24,090
only near death experience, but
out of body experience out of

853
00:53:24,090 --> 00:53:28,350
body, as well as unexplained
aerial phenomena that have

854
00:53:28,350 --> 00:53:31,830
mystical light associated with
the experience and lo and

855
00:53:31,830 --> 00:53:35,100
behold, again, just like the UFO
phenomena, there's a plethora of

856
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:38,610
credible data out there. I
started looking at university

857
00:53:38,610 --> 00:53:41,850
based studies they Omega Project
at the University of Connecticut

858
00:53:41,850 --> 00:53:45,600
Dr. Katherine like a three inch
book, as well as Dr. John Mack

859
00:53:45,690 --> 00:53:50,700
at Harvard, the peer Institute,
as well as Dr. Bruce Grayson and

860
00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:53,970
Dr. Stuart trembler near death
experience experts, they were

861
00:53:53,970 --> 00:53:57,120
all coming to the same
conclusion. And by the way, my

862
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:01,560
first interview a month before I
came forward in 2004, was with

863
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,130
Dr. John Mack at the Tucson
Medical Center. And he was so

864
00:54:05,130 --> 00:54:08,940
grateful that I presented my
data because it confirmed his

865
00:54:08,940 --> 00:54:12,720
data of people that had been
contacted or abducted. And he

866
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,720
was writing a book just about
this and he wanted me to help

867
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:19,410
help with him, and to join him
in that effort. And then he was

868
00:54:19,410 --> 00:54:23,310
unfortunately, killed in a car
accident six months later, but

869
00:54:23,310 --> 00:54:27,810
the point is that the experience
itself, whatever the unexplained

870
00:54:27,810 --> 00:54:30,330
phenomenon, experienced near
death, auto body, unexplained

871
00:54:30,330 --> 00:54:33,420
aerial phenomena with a mystical
light is very, very simple,

872
00:54:33,450 --> 00:54:36,810
very, very similar. And I lay it
out very simply in the book,

873
00:54:37,620 --> 00:54:42,720
what I described to you as a
timelessness as seeing a light

874
00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:47,910
and the feeling, as if time had
stopped and if there was

875
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:52,770
intelligent presence there and
getting getting a message and

876
00:54:52,770 --> 00:54:56,910
not was the same thing. I mean,
there's different points and I

877
00:54:56,910 --> 00:55:02,250
point them out, all in the book
or Very similar, but the most

878
00:55:02,250 --> 00:55:03,510
profound, powerful

879
00:55:04,859 --> 00:55:10,499
data is the after effect, the
profound positive awakening the

880
00:55:10,499 --> 00:55:12,989
enlightenment that happens
within an individual who has an

881
00:55:12,989 --> 00:55:15,089
unexplained phenomenon
experience, I started calling

882
00:55:15,089 --> 00:55:19,049
them all up, because it is so
positive the connectedness that

883
00:55:19,049 --> 00:55:22,019
one feels to the universe, the
Earth to each other, that has

884
00:55:22,019 --> 00:55:24,749
probably never been felt by that
individual before. And you don't

885
00:55:24,749 --> 00:55:28,349
have to have an experience. To
have that positive

886
00:55:28,349 --> 00:55:31,229
transformation, all you need to
do is open your mind and your

887
00:55:31,229 --> 00:55:34,829
heart and learn about it. And
soon you'll start noticing

888
00:55:34,829 --> 00:55:40,529
serendipities and coincidences,
and it's just amazing how it

889
00:55:40,529 --> 00:55:46,139
transformed your your whole life
to a new worldview. It's not a

890
00:55:46,139 --> 00:55:48,809
belief anymore, John, and people
say, Do you believe that you

891
00:55:48,809 --> 00:55:50,699
have those? It's a knowing?

892
00:55:52,530 --> 00:55:54,960
John Greenewald: Do you have an
idea after everything that

893
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,710
you've seen experienced?
Obviously, have witnessed quite

894
00:55:58,710 --> 00:56:03,480
a few times? What is then your,
from your scientific background

895
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,080
that you've referenced? As you
investigated this and wanted to

896
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,550
document it? And and think about
it? What are you dealing with?

897
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:14,700
Dr. Lynne Kitei: Great question.
As I mentioned, I don't know

898
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:17,670
what these are, but I know that
they are. And it's time we get

899
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:21,210
it out in the open and, and we
do address it and we do accept

900
00:56:21,210 --> 00:56:23,970
it. And you know, some people
won't be able to for a while,

901
00:56:23,970 --> 00:56:27,270
but the data is there. If you
want to open your mind and your

902
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:30,480
heart and your learn about it.
And and study these study the

903
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,020
data, that and I think that the
military and the government have

904
00:56:34,020 --> 00:56:36,690
been doing this for a very long
time. That's a whole nother

905
00:56:36,690 --> 00:56:40,470
conversation. But at least it's
out in the open now. And that

906
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:43,620
snickering and ridicule and
discrediting, it's been rampant

907
00:56:43,620 --> 00:56:46,980
for so many years is starting to
dissipate. That's the good news.

908
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:52,410
And whoever did this, and that I
can say, Whoever did this, and

909
00:56:52,410 --> 00:56:55,110
we don't know, we don't know,
John is an interstellar

910
00:56:55,110 --> 00:56:58,440
interstellar interdimensional,
which I saw it up close and

911
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,930
personal. And I can attest to
that. Okay, there's an

912
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:06,120
interdimensional component to
this time travelers of runaway

913
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,780
societies, some experts think.
And now we're seeing

914
00:57:09,780 --> 00:57:14,100
submersibles as well being
presented to the public. And we

915
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:18,570
know that we see these UAP going
into the ocean coming out from

916
00:57:18,570 --> 00:57:21,630
the ocean, I mean, they could
have been here for millennia. So

917
00:57:21,660 --> 00:57:25,170
I don't know who's doing it. But
I know that what they're doing.

918
00:57:25,530 --> 00:57:30,570
And what they did on March
13 1997, is touch one person at

919
00:57:30,570 --> 00:57:34,020
a time, which I'm trying to do
with my own data. But what they

920
00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:37,980
did was wake up one person at a
time, to not only their presence

921
00:57:37,980 --> 00:57:42,630
in a non threatening, gentle
way. But also to wake that

922
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:48,390
person up to the potential we
have as human beings to what

923
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:53,460
we're doing to our planet.
Before it's too late. And Dr.

924
00:57:53,460 --> 00:57:57,300
Edgar Mitchell, who's in our
documentary set the same exact

925
00:57:57,300 --> 00:58:01,650
thing. He actually quotes in the
documentary that we are stewards

926
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,980
of this planet. And whoever is
doing this is really trying to

927
00:58:04,980 --> 00:58:08,970
wake us up to that, and wake us
up to the positive potential. We

928
00:58:08,970 --> 00:58:13,860
have as human beings to make
this world a better world. And

929
00:58:13,980 --> 00:58:16,950
if I can be a credible voice,
it's not about me, it's about

930
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:19,890
the data. But if I can be a
critical voice, so people

931
00:58:19,890 --> 00:58:25,950
actually look at the data, then
I done my job. And thank you for

932
00:58:25,950 --> 00:58:27,210
listening to the

933
00:58:28,830 --> 00:58:32,760
John Greenewald: story. Before
I, you know, as we wrap up here,

934
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:36,630
in the next 1010 minutes or so,
or 15, I want to make sure we

935
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:38,970
cover everything. But one thing
that I wanted to talk about and

936
00:58:38,970 --> 00:58:42,570
make sure that I asked you about
was that military explanation.

937
00:58:42,570 --> 00:58:46,770
Now you've already went through
your phone calls, and their

938
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:52,230
attempts to sometimes explain it
and then later daju just to

939
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:55,020
throw this out to you. And I
want to know kind of what your

940
00:58:55,020 --> 00:58:57,750
reaction was. I kind of know
part of it, just because we've

941
00:58:57,750 --> 00:59:00,540
known each other or when we
first met, we talked about it.

942
00:59:01,140 --> 00:59:04,830
But I had done a FOIA request to
try and figure out what this you

943
00:59:04,830 --> 00:59:09,930
know. Object was in March,
obviously, I was focusing in on

944
00:59:09,930 --> 00:59:13,110
the mass sighting the one in
March. Not the previous ones.

945
00:59:13,110 --> 00:59:13,680
You were talking I

946
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,940
Dr. Lynne Kitei: didn't know.
Exactly. Yeah. That's right.

947
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,920
John Greenewald: Yeah, that's
that's what I wanted to say

948
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,530
there was there was nothing else
to me to investigate, because we

949
00:59:22,530 --> 00:59:25,800
didn't know. But the march 13
sighting and let me go ahead and

950
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,450
pull up the letter that that I
got here. This is from the black

951
00:59:30,450 --> 00:59:33,060
vault comm anybody can just I'll
link everything that we're

952
00:59:33,060 --> 00:59:35,640
talking about in the show notes
below. For those who aren't

953
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,540
aware with this channel. I will
always link over two pages. And

954
00:59:39,540 --> 00:59:43,860
if I ever forget, let me know.
But anything that Dr. Keita and

955
00:59:43,860 --> 00:59:47,010
I are talking about will be down
below and while you're there,

956
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,680
hit the thumbs up button. It's a
big help for this channel. But

957
00:59:49,710 --> 00:59:52,890
that being said, the FOIA
response that I had gotten, I

958
00:59:52,890 --> 00:59:55,020
want to read this to you and
then kind of just get your

959
00:59:55,020 --> 00:59:58,740
reaction to all of this. This
was again the official letter

960
00:59:58,740 --> 01:00:03,420
from Luke Air Force Base. which
is at the time back in 1997,

961
01:00:03,780 --> 01:00:08,610
where I was told these aircraft
flares came from. And so

962
01:00:08,610 --> 01:00:11,790
naturally any FOIA Requester
would go to Luke Air Force Base.

963
01:00:12,210 --> 01:00:15,480
And here's the quote on the
evening of 13 March 1997, our

964
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,020
command post and other base
agencies receive telephone calls

965
01:00:19,020 --> 01:00:22,260
about the lights that many saw
in the sky over Arizona. In the

966
01:00:22,260 --> 01:00:25,680
days that followed. Our Public
Affairs Office also handled

967
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,980
calls about the same subject.
When queried by the staff of the

968
01:00:28,980 --> 01:00:33,210
strange universe television
program. Our public affairs

969
01:00:33,210 --> 01:00:35,700
people acknowledge that callers
reported seeing lights in the

970
01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:39,450
sky, but our staff did not state
that the cause was aerial

971
01:00:39,450 --> 01:00:43,650
flares. In fact, we don't know
where the question of aerial

972
01:00:43,650 --> 01:00:47,850
flares came from. There have
been a number of accounts of the

973
01:00:47,850 --> 01:00:51,240
13 March 97 incident that
alleged Air Force involvement,

974
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,140
and we have made every effort to
ensure that callers understood

975
01:00:55,140 --> 01:00:59,100
that we were not involved in
that incident. However, despite

976
01:00:59,100 --> 01:01:01,410
our best efforts to the
contrary, we've been accused of

977
01:01:01,410 --> 01:01:05,850
withholding or covering up and
the letter goes on. So my

978
01:01:05,850 --> 01:01:09,750
question to you is, and this is
kind of racking my brain because

979
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:14,340
it goes back so many years. But
where did that aerial flare

980
01:01:14,340 --> 01:01:15,780
explanation come from?

981
01:01:16,050 --> 01:01:18,300
Dr. Lynne Kitei: Great question.
And there's one other thing that

982
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:22,140
I have to share that I'm sure
people aren't aware except the

983
01:01:22,140 --> 01:01:25,380
people right here in Phoenix,
number one at the end of that

984
01:01:25,410 --> 01:01:28,680
for you, it says that we had
nothing the military had nothing

985
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,160
to do with it. That's what
that's got me. Okay. Now we're

986
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:36,240
talking after the USA Today,
article came out. And we were

987
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,570
deluge by media from all over
the world. And again, they were

988
01:01:39,570 --> 01:01:41,610
asking, Why isn't there
investigation? Why isn't there

989
01:01:41,610 --> 01:01:44,490
especially they had to come up
with something. Because there

990
01:01:44,490 --> 01:01:46,950
was just too much talk, it was
all over national news,

991
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:50,640
international news. Whoever came
up with a flare theory was

992
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,640
brilliant, because there's a
handful of videos from that

993
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,840
night including my own. And it's
the blinders and move on before

994
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:02,400
10 o'clock. But the boomerang
video, which was also being

995
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:08,190
shown quite a bit, had to be put
to rest. And whoever came up

996
01:02:08,190 --> 01:02:10,830
with the flare thing was
brilliant, because as I said,

997
01:02:10,890 --> 01:02:13,770
the video doesn't do it justice,
but smaller, it's white there,

998
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,740
they flicker. But if you look at
that formation, it doesn't

999
01:02:16,740 --> 01:02:20,010
budge. In fact, I just posted on
Facebook, on the feeding sites

1000
01:02:20,010 --> 01:02:23,580
Network page, a study that was
done just a few years ago, with

1001
01:02:23,610 --> 01:02:25,950
more, you know, advanced
technology showing the

1002
01:02:25,950 --> 01:02:29,430
stabilization they didn't budge,
and one of them actually

1003
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,820
elevated and split into. But
whoever came up with a flare

1004
01:02:32,820 --> 01:02:36,510
theory was was brilliant because
people could easily you know,

1005
01:02:36,570 --> 01:02:39,840
mistake them for flares. The
other thing, okay, from the

1006
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,530
video itself, not my 35
millimeter, but from the video.

1007
01:02:44,910 --> 01:02:47,430
Another thing that's really
important to import and I'm so

1008
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:50,460
glad you brought this up is
three years after the mass

1009
01:02:50,460 --> 01:02:55,110
sighting. Then Councilman Frank
Francis Barwood and vice mayor

1010
01:02:55,110 --> 01:02:59,070
of Phoenix, actually was running
on Secretary of Secretary of

1011
01:02:59,070 --> 01:03:04,290
State to get answers for the
Phoenix lights, the lights over

1012
01:03:04,290 --> 01:03:06,990
Phoenix and she was asking for a
reenactment, which was

1013
01:03:06,990 --> 01:03:10,710
brilliant. Show me. I mean,
shame on them if it was

1014
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:13,020
military, and they were right
over people's heads, and they

1015
01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:18,630
denied it for so long. But show
me okay, I'm open. Well, we got

1016
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:21,540
an announcement right before the
third anniversary. And this says

1017
01:03:21,540 --> 01:03:24,600
it all by three national guards.
I believe it was New York,

1018
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,170
Michigan and California if I'm
not mistaken, that they were

1019
01:03:28,170 --> 01:03:31,650
coming into town to show
everyone the Phoenix lights.

1020
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:35,790
Well, I have to tell you talk
about a joke. And if you go on

1021
01:03:35,790 --> 01:03:38,280
the news page on the Phoenix
lights Network website and

1022
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,990
scroll down a bit, you'll see AZ
family news. It was a CNN

1023
01:03:42,990 --> 01:03:47,970
affiliate at the time, and it
shows what they did. They tried

1024
01:03:48,060 --> 01:03:52,740
to reenact it, it was a dire
failure for them. They tried to

1025
01:03:52,740 --> 01:03:56,040
make a triangle it was upside
down and fell apart immediately.

1026
01:03:56,100 --> 01:04:00,780
A huge smoke trails just flares
due to this day. The Phoenix

1027
01:04:00,780 --> 01:04:06,060
lights have never been recreated
or explained. And yet these

1028
01:04:06,060 --> 01:04:09,930
phenomenon continue to show
worldwide, the Phoenix lights

1029
01:04:09,930 --> 01:04:13,440
have become the most witnessed,
most documented, most important

1030
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,310
mess, anomalous sighting in
modern history, if not all of

1031
01:04:17,310 --> 01:04:21,120
history. And when people see
similar phenomenon, whether it's

1032
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:25,710
these orbs and rock solid arrays
of V or boomerang or whatever,

1033
01:04:26,010 --> 01:04:30,000
or actual V or triangle craft,
they look up and say, wow,

1034
01:04:30,030 --> 01:04:33,720
there's the Phoenix lights. And
that's pretty cool. Worldwide.

1035
01:04:34,589 --> 01:04:36,569
John Greenewald: What do you
feel this will be my last my

1036
01:04:36,569 --> 01:04:38,759
last question to you? And then
if there's anything else you

1037
01:04:38,759 --> 01:04:42,959
want to cover, but what do you
think the biggest misconception

1038
01:04:42,989 --> 01:04:46,679
is and the biggest piece of
disinformation if you haven't

1039
01:04:46,679 --> 01:04:50,189
covered it already, about this
event that people just don't

1040
01:04:50,189 --> 01:04:53,069
understand, for whatever reason,
whether the media be to blame,

1041
01:04:53,069 --> 01:04:56,669
or maybe just people outside of
that particular area really just

1042
01:04:56,669 --> 01:04:59,279
don't talk about it, but what do
you feel is that single most

1043
01:04:59,279 --> 01:05:01,889
piece of it Biggest
disinformation that you would

1044
01:05:01,889 --> 01:05:02,759
love to clear up.

1045
01:05:03,060 --> 01:05:05,910
Dr. Lynne Kitei: Certainly the
flair theory, people that were

1046
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:08,550
looking for a logical
explanation fed right into it.

1047
01:05:08,730 --> 01:05:10,950
And there was a show. I mean,
there's so much more of this

1048
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:13,500
story. And I get into it in
detail on the book that came

1049
01:05:13,500 --> 01:05:18,180
into town called anatomy of
citing that in August, the

1050
01:05:18,180 --> 01:05:22,290
following August, and I have no
idea who is funding it. But when

1051
01:05:22,290 --> 01:05:24,780
I met with a producer, he
wouldn't even look at my data.

1052
01:05:24,990 --> 01:05:27,450
He just blew it off. Because I
thought it's important for

1053
01:05:27,450 --> 01:05:29,700
people to know there's more than
this story. It wasn't just march

1054
01:05:29,700 --> 01:05:33,870
13, he wouldn't even look at my
daddy says, the military said it

1055
01:05:33,870 --> 01:05:36,810
was flares they had already
decided. And that's what they

1056
01:05:36,810 --> 01:05:39,900
did in the film they took and
this is what did it to the to

1057
01:05:39,900 --> 01:05:46,560
the boomerang formation, that of
March 13, they took that video

1058
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:50,070
and try to show that it went
behind the mountain. So it must

1059
01:05:50,070 --> 01:05:52,650
be flare sent off by the
military. And by the way, with

1060
01:05:52,650 --> 01:05:56,760
your FOIA report, David Bahnson,
also came up with they were

1061
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,100
sending off flares that were too
many in the plane. So on the way

1062
01:05:59,100 --> 01:06:00,870
back to Tucson, they were
selling golf players, so they

1063
01:06:00,870 --> 01:06:04,050
kept changing their stories with
the flare thing. So you know, if

1064
01:06:04,050 --> 01:06:07,920
you take that to the back as
well, it was very, when the hand

1065
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,640
didn't know what the other hand
was. A lot of misinformation got

1066
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,250
out there at the time about the
flares anyway. But just because

1067
01:06:14,250 --> 01:06:16,620
it went, these lights went
behind the mountain, as I

1068
01:06:16,620 --> 01:06:20,190
described earlier, the air
traffic controllers saw this

1069
01:06:20,190 --> 01:06:23,580
massive formation of lights that
seemed to be attached to

1070
01:06:23,580 --> 01:06:27,570
something move in synchrony as a
unit behind South Mountain. So

1071
01:06:27,570 --> 01:06:29,550
just because it moved behind the
mountain doesn't mean it's

1072
01:06:29,550 --> 01:06:34,350
flares. That's number one.
Number two, as far as you know,

1073
01:06:34,380 --> 01:06:38,820
fast forwarding to now, and
knowing that what happened in

1074
01:06:38,820 --> 01:06:43,770
that show, they actually had a
report, one of the reporters at

1075
01:06:43,770 --> 01:06:47,010
one of the stations actually saw
the craft, and he wanted to get

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01:06:47,010 --> 01:06:50,760
to the bottom of it. And he
interviewed Christians, my

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01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,490
Christian who shot duck
boomerang. And they did an

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01:06:53,490 --> 01:06:58,620
amazing, amazing report that I
show in conferences now, where

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01:06:58,980 --> 01:07:05,100
it shows in their show that when
he took that footage, there is a

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01:07:05,100 --> 01:07:09,930
tree on the right side there on
his property, and there is a

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01:07:09,930 --> 01:07:12,900
light on the right side of that
tree that's separate from that

1082
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:17,250
Boomerang, that in their program
is on the left side of that

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01:07:17,250 --> 01:07:23,580
tree. So it's just blatantly
manipulated to show that those

1084
01:07:23,730 --> 01:07:26,850
boomerang lights conformed to
the mountain to make the case

1085
01:07:26,850 --> 01:07:31,320
for flares. And they showed that
show that program aired

1086
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:36,180
Thanksgiving Christmas over and
over and over and over. Someone

1087
01:07:36,180 --> 01:07:38,970
was making the point. And I even
called a producer and I said

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01:07:38,970 --> 01:07:41,520
look, there's more to the story.
And I have other data if you add

1089
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:45,210
this, you know, footage
analyzed, you know, I'm open, I

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01:07:45,210 --> 01:07:50,250
analyze my data. He says well,
you know, you know, well, if we

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01:07:50,250 --> 01:07:53,430
ever get more funding, I'll let
you know. So I always wondered

1092
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:59,460
who funded that. But besides the
flare thing, okay, um, there's

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01:07:59,460 --> 01:08:02,670
so much misinformation.
Disinformation, too, to just the

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01:08:02,670 --> 01:08:05,790
timing, okay, which we've gone
through today. And I hope that

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01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:08,010
the people will take a look at
the buckets. There's so much

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01:08:08,010 --> 01:08:11,130
more the Phoenix like A Skeptics
Discovery that we are not alone.

1097
01:08:11,970 --> 01:08:15,150
I just keep adding chapters.
It's in its fourth print. I had

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01:08:15,150 --> 01:08:19,170
750 Page journal, seven years
later that I didn't know what to

1099
01:08:19,170 --> 01:08:22,470
do with John, I really did not
want to come forward people that

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01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:25,800
did what just plaster to the
wall. I was an accomplished

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01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,110
physician, I went back to work
to help put our younger son

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01:08:28,110 --> 01:08:31,560
through medical school at the
Arizona Heart Institute as a

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01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,890
Chief Clinical consultant there
and behind closed doors. I took

1104
01:08:34,890 --> 01:08:40,980
that 750 Page journal and edited
down to 230 pages of the most

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01:08:40,980 --> 01:08:44,310
important credible doubt every
word is there for a reason. And

1106
01:08:44,310 --> 01:08:47,760
once I came forward in 2004 I
couldn't believe the doctors and

1107
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,150
nurses that pulled me aside to
tell me their stories there are

1108
01:08:51,150 --> 01:08:54,720
so many people out there that
have had experiences that that

1109
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,600
are real to them. And that's why
it's so important to get this

1110
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,050
out in the open for once and for
all and to deal with it. And

1111
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:05,940
I've added chapters in fact the
ebook it has color pictures and

1112
01:09:05,940 --> 01:09:10,110
live links because I you know,
I'm an educator and I know what

1113
01:09:10,110 --> 01:09:14,160
it's like to want to more
material so I I put little links

1114
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,430
so people can explore also the
website Phoenix lights Network

1115
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:21,780
website is packed with
information. On the homepage,

1116
01:09:21,780 --> 01:09:25,380
the the photo page cap page news
page, we have a share page and

1117
01:09:25,380 --> 01:09:28,920
just recently by the way, a Luke
Air Force Base weather person

1118
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,400
that was on that night did
contact me to say that she got

1119
01:09:32,490 --> 01:09:35,340
many calls and actually went
outside and

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01:09:36,900 --> 01:09:41,850
and I looked at it she saw it
and she confirmed as the alleged

1121
01:09:41,850 --> 01:09:46,500
crewman did that Luke was on
lockdown that night. So there

1122
01:09:46,500 --> 01:09:49,200
was so much more to the story
and we have the documentary

1123
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,200
who's won over a dozen
international film festival

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01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,230
awards. We're so proud of that
and they can get all this on

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01:09:55,230 --> 01:09:59,040
Amazon. Dr. Edgar Mitchell
Mitchell not only one police

1126
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,250
operator came for To say that,
even though the police said they

1127
01:10:02,250 --> 01:10:05,760
got very few calls, when she
retired, she said, they got

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01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,640
hundreds and hundreds of calls.
And we have a pilot, a

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01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,600
commercial Vietnam pilot, who
saw one of these craft and

1130
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,450
looked into what he called a
well, a spinning energy. It's

1131
01:10:15,450 --> 01:10:18,510
fascinating when you hear the
witness reports, and also my

1132
01:10:18,510 --> 01:10:22,380
latest is coming from the
education background and my,

1133
01:10:23,190 --> 01:10:25,680
like, passion for youth
education of vital health

1134
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:30,450
issues. I am working on a
curriculum and I also actually,

1135
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,900
just to show real quick because
it's it's a book for all ages.

1136
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:39,360
It's a graphic novel activities
coloring book UFOs, the Phoenix

1137
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:45,300
lights and, and crop circles,
The Adventures of Su fo and you

1138
01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:49,980
fo he GH you ever was little
alien. And I work with wonderful

1139
01:10:49,980 --> 01:10:53,430
people at Disney illustrator and
teachers and students right in

1140
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:59,880
the classroom. And it's 160
Phoenix lights story plus, the

1141
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,090
pros and cons, I give all sides.
And we have the 10 different

1142
01:11:03,090 --> 01:11:06,510
craft to color at crop circles
to color. And I picked the most

1143
01:11:06,510 --> 01:11:09,600
ornate as well of activities.
And we're talking word finders

1144
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,970
and crossword puzzles and so
forth and the answers for those

1145
01:11:11,970 --> 01:11:16,320
of us who are challenged with
the answers. And and it's just a

1146
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,680
fun book for teachers and
parents and grandparents and

1147
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,280
kids alike. So we have the
trilogy now and certainly the

1148
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,060
website and I hope people take a
peek. And if you've had the

1149
01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:29,940
Phoenix lights experience or
something like it, what I'm

1150
01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:34,380
working on now is actually
another book. Finally, after 25

1151
01:11:34,380 --> 01:11:39,120
years to compile the data, how
in real time and long term, the

1152
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:44,310
Phoenix lights, anomalies,
phenomenon, affected people. And

1153
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:47,070
I'm working with Paul Perry, who
wrote the foreword to my book,

1154
01:11:47,070 --> 01:11:49,440
he's a near death experience,
best selling author with

1155
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:52,020
melhores, MD and Dannion
Brinkley and whatever and

1156
01:11:52,020 --> 01:11:56,970
really, really trying to get the
data out there, how the Phoenix

1157
01:11:56,970 --> 01:12:01,320
lights? To answer your question
really affected people at such a

1158
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:05,940
deep, deep level, and is so
significant, that we really all

1159
01:12:05,940 --> 01:12:08,940
of us need to take a look at
what happened here in March

1160
01:12:08,970 --> 01:12:14,460
13 1997, as rested as lot and
the rest of the data as well,

1161
01:12:14,580 --> 01:12:17,790
there is so much more to the
story, and really compile it in

1162
01:12:17,790 --> 01:12:22,380
a scientific way that we show
that the impact of the Phoenix

1163
01:12:22,380 --> 01:12:27,120
lights will be not only
affecting us in real time, but

1164
01:12:27,150 --> 01:12:30,180
for many, many more years to
come and is probably a stepping

1165
01:12:30,180 --> 01:12:35,970
stone to the next step of
critical mass being ready to

1166
01:12:35,970 --> 01:12:41,040
accept who's ever out there and
who's ever behind the Phoenix

1167
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:41,460
lights.

1168
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:44,189
John Greenewald: I really
appreciate your time, Dr. Lin.

1169
01:12:44,189 --> 01:12:49,349
And and again, I will have all
of your links below. But for the

1170
01:12:49,349 --> 01:12:52,139
audio version, go ahead and give
out your website one last time,

1171
01:12:52,139 --> 01:12:55,139
which I assume is going to be
the best way to reach out to you

1172
01:12:55,319 --> 01:12:57,299
what give the audience that

1173
01:12:57,690 --> 01:13:00,480
Dr. Lynne Kitei: people can
contact me right on top or Dr.

1174
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:09,810
Lin Dark Phoenix lights dotnet
dotnet it's www dot the Phoenix

1175
01:13:09,810 --> 01:13:14,160
lights dotnet is, is the website
address and it's a Phoenix

1176
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,250
lights network just Google it.
And we also have a Phoenix

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01:13:17,250 --> 01:13:22,890
lights network Facebook page,
where people I welcome people to

1178
01:13:22,890 --> 01:13:27,000
come there share their stories
and and I have to say it's very

1179
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,970
cathartic and healing as an
experiencer I know how that

1180
01:13:29,970 --> 01:13:33,930
feels to be able to share the
data. And I just hope people

1181
01:13:34,380 --> 01:13:36,510
will look at it and decide for
themselves.

1182
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:39,030
John Greenewald: Well, I really
appreciate your time. Thank you.

1183
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:42,540
I know my audience loves it as
well. And probably learned quite

1184
01:13:42,540 --> 01:13:45,420
a bit about the incident that we
only really just kind of hear

1185
01:13:45,420 --> 01:13:48,150
the the the tip of the iceberg
too. And a lot of these shows

1186
01:13:48,150 --> 01:13:51,840
and they deal with such an
amazing amount of data and

1187
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,380
evidence in like 90 seconds
sometimes when they go through

1188
01:13:55,380 --> 01:13:59,970
it and it's probably frustrating
for you to see that you know and

1189
01:13:59,970 --> 01:14:04,920
have producers just kind of
misrepresent the event and not

1190
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,430
take care. So I'm glad to have
been able to bring you on

1191
01:14:08,430 --> 01:14:11,430
there's obviously a lot more to
cover. I do hope people check

1192
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:13,620
out your website, a lot of data
there, your books and

1193
01:14:13,620 --> 01:14:19,260
everything. And on a completely
different side note of those

1194
01:14:19,260 --> 01:14:23,340
listeners and watchers of this
channel know my sonar dog who is

1195
01:14:23,340 --> 01:14:26,790
deaf and blind and sometimes she
likes to make an appearance. I

1196
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:29,880
don't know if you heard her but
she was coming through and I

1197
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,360
kept my finger on the mute
button as much as I could. So I

1198
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,910
apologize if that did come
through a little bit loud to you

1199
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:39,270
at times I did try and mute her
out but God bless her she just

1200
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:42,450
walks the halls and when she's
up likes to make an appearance

1201
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:45,810
and it always happens when I'm
recording. So I apologize for

1202
01:14:45,810 --> 01:14:48,210
that. But other than that, thank
you so much. I really do

1203
01:14:48,210 --> 01:14:51,450
appreciate your time and sharing
that with my audience.

1204
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:55,950
Dr. Lynne Kitei: I absolutely.
So enjoy working with you John

1205
01:14:55,980 --> 01:15:00,480
in the past and now as well and,
and your audience Thank you

1206
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:03,630
thank you so much for letting me
share and I always end it with

1207
01:15:03,630 --> 01:15:06,540
keep looking off it's a double
entendre now your audience knows

1208
01:15:06,540 --> 01:15:06,900
why

1209
01:15:07,739 --> 01:15:10,229
John Greenewald: very good well
thank you and thank you all for

1210
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:12,899
listening and watching my name
is John Greenwald JR and I'm

1211
01:15:12,899 --> 01:15:14,429
signing off I'll see you next
time