1 00:00:23,850 --> 00:00:25,830 John Greenewald: That's right everybody. As always, thank you 2 00:00:25,830 --> 00:00:29,400 so much for tuning in. And taking this journey inside the 3 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,130 black vault with me. I'm your host, John Greenwald, Jr, 4 00:00:32,430 --> 00:00:36,810 founder and creator of the black vault.com. And I am going to 5 00:00:36,810 --> 00:00:39,510 break down a story that some of you may have heard in the 6 00:00:39,510 --> 00:00:44,070 mainstream media about the announcement of UFO files within 7 00:00:44,070 --> 00:00:48,840 the Obama Presidential Library. I found myself kind of in the 8 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,650 center of this story, I had posted it last week on social 9 00:00:52,650 --> 00:00:57,930 media, Vice News was first to pick it up. And in essence, it 10 00:00:57,930 --> 00:01:00,810 will break down the whole story. But in essence, it was the 11 00:01:00,810 --> 00:01:06,210 discovery of literally 1000s of potentially related UFO files, 12 00:01:06,630 --> 00:01:11,400 or files related to OS app or a tip to programs that we've 13 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,850 talked a lot about on this channel. Obviously all connected 14 00:01:14,850 --> 00:01:18,600 to this, again, secret Pentagon UFO study story that is 15 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:24,720 circulated since 2017. Since the end of 2017. Well, since that 16 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,980 time, Vice News, since the time VICE News picked it up. All 17 00:01:28,980 --> 00:01:32,670 sorts of media outlets now around the world are covering 18 00:01:32,670 --> 00:01:37,080 this because this is kind of a, I would say. 19 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:43,260 Unexpected, but phenomenal discovery, pardon the pun. But 20 00:01:43,260 --> 00:01:47,190 the reason I say that is because all SAP and a tip and UFO 21 00:01:47,190 --> 00:01:51,780 related information when it comes to the era of a tip is 22 00:01:51,780 --> 00:01:55,620 kind of hard to come by we know about OS app within the DIA. We 23 00:01:55,620 --> 00:01:59,730 know that there are some files, we think within DOD but really 24 00:01:59,730 --> 00:02:04,170 nothing has come out yet. When it comes to the actual program 25 00:02:04,170 --> 00:02:09,270 files. Is this something that includes that are we really 26 00:02:09,270 --> 00:02:12,870 going to dive into what the program was? Is this just 27 00:02:12,870 --> 00:02:15,780 communication? I don't have the answer to that. But I'm here to 28 00:02:15,780 --> 00:02:19,800 break down the story. Now, let me just dispel maybe any 29 00:02:19,830 --> 00:02:23,070 expectations here right up front. I'm not here to show you 30 00:02:23,070 --> 00:02:25,830 the files because they're not being released yet. I'll get 31 00:02:25,830 --> 00:02:29,610 into the timetable in a few minutes. But that's not what 32 00:02:29,610 --> 00:02:33,300 this video is. Rather, I want to break down for you guys the 33 00:02:33,300 --> 00:02:36,480 process. What is the story that's being circulated by 34 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,620 mainstream media and additional new information that I haven't 35 00:02:40,620 --> 00:02:43,830 talked about yet? I briefly spoke about it yesterday when I 36 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:49,140 did a panel discussion for the LA law library that was online. 37 00:02:49,140 --> 00:02:54,600 Now I posted this out a few times. It was a 100% free panel. 38 00:02:55,260 --> 00:02:59,880 And I was honored to take part. This was not a UFO organization. 39 00:03:00,300 --> 00:03:05,610 Nor was it a quote unquote, UFO event, although UFOs were talked 40 00:03:05,610 --> 00:03:08,730 about, in a panel about the Freedom of Information Act at 41 00:03:08,730 --> 00:03:12,600 this law library in Los Angeles, I was on a panel with Michael 42 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,340 Morrissey, who is the founder of Muckrock. And Grace Chen, who is 43 00:03:17,340 --> 00:03:21,450 part of Thomson Reuters and works within that news 44 00:03:21,450 --> 00:03:25,860 organization. So I was honored to take part in that and appear 45 00:03:25,860 --> 00:03:29,370 with them. Because they are two incredibly smart individuals. 46 00:03:29,550 --> 00:03:32,910 And we got to break down in different ways the FOIA and then 47 00:03:32,910 --> 00:03:36,360 ultimately how it has connected to the UFO topic, just to show 48 00:03:36,510 --> 00:03:39,480 some of the documents that came out. I did see some familiar 49 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,870 names in the audience list. So thank you guys for registering. 50 00:03:42,990 --> 00:03:47,370 But it was really nice to kind of break out of the UFO 51 00:03:47,370 --> 00:03:51,180 community, so to speak, and talk to an environment like that. 52 00:03:51,630 --> 00:03:55,680 This is Sunshine Week. So happy Sunshine Week to you all, if you 53 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,760 don't know what that is this week is a celebration of open 54 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,840 records laws and, and essentially celebrating our 55 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,440 rights as American citizens, but really citizens of the world 56 00:04:07,620 --> 00:04:10,020 that can take part in the federal Freedom of Information 57 00:04:10,020 --> 00:04:13,980 Act, our right to access information. So Sunshine Week 58 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:18,420 really reflects on our ability to do that. And although some 59 00:04:18,420 --> 00:04:21,390 may think FOIA doesn't produce results, I'm here to tell you, 60 00:04:21,390 --> 00:04:26,100 it absolutely does. I don't consider it a broken law, but 61 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:29,700 rather one that you know, needs some stitches and band aids here 62 00:04:29,700 --> 00:04:34,230 in there. But this week is all about celebrating it. And so 63 00:04:34,350 --> 00:04:37,650 that is what my appearance was for the LA Law Library. And 64 00:04:37,650 --> 00:04:41,790 Monday, I got to talk to the University of Richmond and a 65 00:04:41,820 --> 00:04:45,300 class there. And from what I understand that video actually 66 00:04:45,300 --> 00:04:48,750 may be made public pretty soon but it was a lot of fun to speak 67 00:04:48,750 --> 00:04:51,600 with, with those that were involved in the university 68 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,860 there. And that was a great time for me. So let's get into the 69 00:04:55,860 --> 00:04:57,900 video itself. I just wanted to give a little bit of background 70 00:04:57,900 --> 00:05:01,500 about this weekend. And what Sunshine Week is, but again, 71 00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:04,410 this is this is the story that everybody kind of is hearing 72 00:05:04,410 --> 00:05:08,160 about. And let me pull up the visual. So we're going to break 73 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,760 down the UFO files at the Obama Presidential Library story. 74 00:05:12,540 --> 00:05:15,930 Again, not to repeat this, but vice was first to pick it up, 75 00:05:15,930 --> 00:05:19,380 it's been covered by Newsweek, the independent build in 76 00:05:19,380 --> 00:05:23,970 Germany, I've seen a couple other international news 77 00:05:23,970 --> 00:05:27,510 organizations pick it up some obscure ones as well. But 78 00:05:27,510 --> 00:05:31,260 regardless, it's really a story that has circulated a lot. It 79 00:05:31,260 --> 00:05:35,460 even ended up on the top of the Drudge Report, whether or not 80 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:38,370 you like that site or not, it remains one of the most coveted 81 00:05:38,370 --> 00:05:41,430 spots in news. So whenever one of these stories appears on 82 00:05:41,430 --> 00:05:46,110 there, it's it's kind of a big injection of exposure for not 83 00:05:46,110 --> 00:05:50,340 only this topic, but obviously the news story at hand. So let's 84 00:05:50,340 --> 00:05:53,130 kind of start breaking it down a little bit about what that story 85 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:59,340 is. Now, a quick background to presidential files, and how they 86 00:05:59,340 --> 00:06:02,130 work, it ties into the Presidential Records Act, the 87 00:06:02,130 --> 00:06:04,440 White House as it sits, like right now, 88 00:06:04,470 --> 00:06:08,040 the the excuse me, the Biden administration, I can't file a 89 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,820 FOIA to the White House. Those records, which are considered 90 00:06:11,820 --> 00:06:15,480 presidential records are covered by the Presidential Records Act. 91 00:06:15,810 --> 00:06:19,200 And what that means is, is that those are completely off limits 92 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:24,000 to FOIA until four years after the presidential administration 93 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:31,740 ends. So when Obama had left office, and President Trump took 94 00:06:31,740 --> 00:06:36,180 over for years thereafter, Obama's records were open to the 95 00:06:36,180 --> 00:06:41,220 general public. So that was in January, I was sadly suffering 96 00:06:41,220 --> 00:06:44,700 from COVID at the time. So it took me a couple of days to get 97 00:06:44,700 --> 00:06:48,330 the request in. But there were some people that that were 98 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,320 quoted as literally waiting up until midnight, for them to 99 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,560 submit the request because they wanted to be first in line. Of 100 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,020 course, in retrospect, I would have liked to have been first in 101 00:06:58,020 --> 00:07:01,710 line based on what you're about to hear. But regardless, you 102 00:07:01,710 --> 00:07:05,310 know, that's, that's That's how serious some people are. But 103 00:07:05,310 --> 00:07:07,980 just kind of a background. That was when I was suffering from 104 00:07:07,980 --> 00:07:10,770 COVID. So took me a couple of days after that, that initial 105 00:07:10,770 --> 00:07:14,310 date, to file the Freedom of Information Act request. This is 106 00:07:14,310 --> 00:07:18,060 what I requested. Let me see, it's not the whole request, but 107 00:07:18,060 --> 00:07:21,210 I just wanted to kind of break down exactly what it was. I 108 00:07:21,210 --> 00:07:23,970 respectfully request a copy of records, including foot videos 109 00:07:23,970 --> 00:07:26,760 and photos, electronic or otherwise, of the following 110 00:07:27,090 --> 00:07:31,410 unidentified flying objects, unidentified aerial phenomena or 111 00:07:31,410 --> 00:07:35,970 phenomenon, respectively, they are also referred to as UFOs and 112 00:07:35,970 --> 00:07:40,140 UAPs. I ask that you include all readily available records that 113 00:07:40,140 --> 00:07:42,510 pertain to the topic because I believe during the Obama 114 00:07:42,510 --> 00:07:46,440 administration, there was rumored to be UFO investigation 115 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,110 under the names advanced aerospace weapon systems 116 00:07:49,110 --> 00:07:53,070 application program, or OS app, along with the program, advanced 117 00:07:53,070 --> 00:07:57,150 aerospace threat Identification Program, or a tip, I ask that 118 00:07:57,150 --> 00:07:59,580 you include all records pertaining to these two program 119 00:07:59,580 --> 00:08:03,150 names and acronyms as well, that may reside in the Obama 120 00:08:03,150 --> 00:08:07,230 Presidential Library Holdings. That's just for you, for your 121 00:08:07,230 --> 00:08:10,560 people on how these things are structured. And I'm going to get 122 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,670 into what response that this yielded. Right now, this was the 123 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,490 not the first I'm not going to break down everything for you, 124 00:08:17,700 --> 00:08:21,510 you get an interim response that kind of puts you in line. This 125 00:08:21,510 --> 00:08:25,920 was the first response of substance. And you can see here, 126 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:31,680 my request was submitted January 23 2022. This came on March 10. 127 00:08:32,370 --> 00:08:35,220 And I'm not going to read it verbatim. But you can see it's 128 00:08:35,220 --> 00:08:37,680 just in response to my FOIA requests. They reference, you 129 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:41,130 know, the different public record laws for you. So on and 130 00:08:41,130 --> 00:08:43,890 so forth. Paragraph two, however, let me pull up the pen 131 00:08:43,890 --> 00:08:47,970 here. So I can point where I'm at. Right here. We've performed 132 00:08:47,970 --> 00:08:50,820 a search of our collection for presidential records relating 133 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:56,160 related to your request and have identified approximately 3440 134 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:02,490 pages. And 26,271 electronic files of potentially responsive 135 00:09:02,490 --> 00:09:05,940 records that must be processed in order to respond to your 136 00:09:05,940 --> 00:09:08,790 request. Please keep in mind that these totals are an 137 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:11,970 estimate and that all material processed may not be applicable 138 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,170 to your specific topic. This is what's interesting about this 139 00:09:16,170 --> 00:09:19,050 breakdown, It's oddly specific. And it is not an all 140 00:09:19,050 --> 00:09:21,300 encompassing number, because we know that there's a lot more 141 00:09:21,300 --> 00:09:26,370 than 3400 pages at the Obama Library. What I was waiting for 142 00:09:26,370 --> 00:09:29,790 before I did this video was Where did how did what did they 143 00:09:29,790 --> 00:09:32,580 do to get these numbers? And I don't have an answer to that 144 00:09:32,580 --> 00:09:35,910 yet. And I'm not sure when that will come this could come an 145 00:09:35,910 --> 00:09:40,950 hour after I posted this video a day or a decade, who knows. But 146 00:09:40,950 --> 00:09:43,440 at least I have enough to kind of give you guys the story. So I 147 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,140 don't know how they got those numbers. But I can tell you from 148 00:09:46,140 --> 00:09:48,600 experience when you have something oddly specific like 149 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,640 that, they did something to yield that number. Now the key 150 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:59,520 word here is is the potentially responsive so potentially is in 151 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,160 there. That means that that gives them a little bit of 152 00:10:02,190 --> 00:10:08,010 wriggle room, that when I get my final response, it may be 1000 153 00:10:08,010 --> 00:10:15,420 pages not 3400. And the reason for that is a quite a few 154 00:10:15,420 --> 00:10:19,140 different things. But in my opinion, it's if they, you know, 155 00:10:19,140 --> 00:10:22,590 come up with things like news articles and stuff like that. If 156 00:10:22,590 --> 00:10:27,480 I omit them, then they won't include them. It's getting a 157 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,240 little technical when I start talking about that, but But in 158 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,660 essence, if a lot of people within the Obama administration, 159 00:10:33,900 --> 00:10:37,680 were forwarding around news articles, no context, no 160 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:41,100 editorial, no comments or anything like that, but rather, 161 00:10:41,100 --> 00:10:45,000 they see Obama being referenced. And they forward news articles, 162 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,770 that happens a lot. Well, those 163 00:10:46,770 --> 00:10:50,850 are subject to FOIA. But it's not really interesting. So and 164 00:10:50,850 --> 00:10:53,430 the reason is, it's just a newspaper article. So it doesn't 165 00:10:53,430 --> 00:10:56,970 really matter, you know, if you if you file a FOIA request, and 166 00:10:56,970 --> 00:11:00,450 they still have to review it. So a lot of times in a FOIA, you 167 00:11:00,450 --> 00:11:03,780 can say I omit all publicly available information like 168 00:11:03,930 --> 00:11:08,070 newspaper articles. So they use the word potentially simply 169 00:11:08,070 --> 00:11:11,220 because they do answer these very much like a lawyer. But on 170 00:11:11,220 --> 00:11:15,420 top of that, you're also not being locked in to to 171 00:11:15,450 --> 00:11:19,950 guaranteeing me there's 3440 pages, because that opens it up 172 00:11:19,950 --> 00:11:23,550 to a nightmare, where I get 1000 pages, and I go, Hey, wait a 173 00:11:23,550 --> 00:11:26,700 minute, here's my appeal, you guys said this, so on and so 174 00:11:26,700 --> 00:11:30,210 forth. So it's a little bit safety language as well. The 175 00:11:30,210 --> 00:11:35,400 26,271 electronic files was was, to me more mind blowing than the 176 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,890 3400 pages, because I wasn't sure exactly what that 177 00:11:37,890 --> 00:11:41,010 encompassed. I'll tell you what, that encompasses in a second. 178 00:11:41,820 --> 00:11:46,500 That's the new information that I haven't talked about yet. I 179 00:11:46,830 --> 00:11:51,600 had responded, I had posted out the on the 10th. The the 180 00:11:51,630 --> 00:11:55,230 announcement from the Obama Library that that this was found 181 00:11:55,230 --> 00:11:58,350 during my request, which I was floored, I use those words on 182 00:11:58,350 --> 00:12:02,310 Twitter, I'll echo them here now. And I even said this in 183 00:12:02,310 --> 00:12:07,050 Twitter, if true. I'm floored because I didn't expect that I 184 00:12:07,050 --> 00:12:12,150 really didn't. That's a big chunk of data on a program that 185 00:12:12,150 --> 00:12:18,270 has very little to its name, at least as I as I record this. I 186 00:12:18,270 --> 00:12:20,640 know that some people may not like me for saying that. But 187 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,070 that's just the reality for you. It hasn't produced anything 188 00:12:23,070 --> 00:12:26,940 because DIA is sorely behind. And the Pentagon is very much 189 00:12:26,940 --> 00:12:30,630 pushing back on the fact that they really don't have anything, 190 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,230 emails of Luis Elizondo have been deleted. That's a big 191 00:12:34,230 --> 00:12:37,830 story. So it's very hard to come by these records. So when the 192 00:12:37,830 --> 00:12:40,860 Obama administration says we have literally 10s of 1000s of 193 00:12:40,860 --> 00:12:45,300 pages in electronic files, you got my interest because UFO 194 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:49,290 related or not? It sounds like it might be about us apparatus, 195 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,650 or both. Now we're now we're talking now this will break down 196 00:12:52,650 --> 00:12:56,340 what is really going on and on top of all else, why was the 197 00:12:56,340 --> 00:12:59,910 White House involved in this conversation? So if this ends up 198 00:12:59,910 --> 00:13:03,510 to be all newspaper articles, I'll be quite surprised, I 199 00:13:03,510 --> 00:13:07,590 highly doubt that it is the last response. And here's the new 200 00:13:07,590 --> 00:13:10,560 stuff. So I'll spend a little bit more time on this. This is 201 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:18,000 the breakdown of the of the material itself. And I want to 202 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,270 go back aside because I was jumping ahead too quickly. When 203 00:13:21,300 --> 00:13:24,810 I had received the breakdown, I wrote them back after I posted 204 00:13:24,810 --> 00:13:27,570 all that material and said, essentially, how long is this 205 00:13:27,570 --> 00:13:31,290 going to take? Is there any eta what can I you know, what can I 206 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:36,570 expect from this. And you can see here in this paragraph, as 207 00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:39,780 stated on our latest letter dated February 18, part of and 208 00:13:39,780 --> 00:13:43,470 then the case number, it's been piggybacked on onto a FOIA 209 00:13:43,470 --> 00:13:46,890 request previously submitted for similar records. The request 210 00:13:46,890 --> 00:13:51,030 that yours is piggybacked on to is in the complex, unclassified 211 00:13:51,030 --> 00:13:54,990 electronic queue, and there are 64 requests ahead of it in this 212 00:13:54,990 --> 00:13:58,980 queue. Our best estimate at this time is that it may be completed 213 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:04,920 in approximately 12 years. This paragraph here as stated in our 214 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:12,390 letter, dated March 10 2022, part of requests 22 Dash 21122 215 00:14:12,390 --> 00:14:15,420 Dash F. For those listening to the audio version, that's the 216 00:14:15,420 --> 00:14:18,750 case number is in the complex, unclassified electronic queue, 217 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:23,070 and there are 87 requests ahead of yours in this queue. Our best 218 00:14:23,070 --> 00:14:26,460 estimate at this time is that it may be completed in 219 00:14:26,460 --> 00:14:32,280 approximately 16 years. If you have any questions regarding 220 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,550 your FOIA request, please contact our staff like Jaren 221 00:14:35,550 --> 00:14:39,420 better believe I got questions. First and foremost, why 64 222 00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:45,120 requests causes a 12 year backlog and why 87 requests in 223 00:14:45,150 --> 00:14:49,140 what is kind of worded the same, the same queue complex 224 00:14:49,140 --> 00:14:54,300 unclassified electronic cue complex, unclassified electronic 225 00:14:54,300 --> 00:14:57,870 cue. The same exact cue is referenced in both paragraphs 226 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:02,910 with different numbers ahead of it. same case number, and the 227 00:15:02,940 --> 00:15:07,260 ETA differs by four years. I don't have an answer to that 228 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:10,260 either. Trying to figure that out, I think it may have likely 229 00:15:10,260 --> 00:15:13,680 been a typo. There may be two different queues here, but they 230 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,620 copy and paste it and didn't update what the actual queue is 231 00:15:16,620 --> 00:15:20,070 named. That's a possibility also, regardless, 232 00:15:20,340 --> 00:15:23,220 we're looking at well over a decade by their estimate, before 233 00:15:23,220 --> 00:15:28,440 we see anything, no, I'm not accepting that I am working on 234 00:15:28,530 --> 00:15:30,870 potentially getting some political involvements and 235 00:15:30,870 --> 00:15:34,920 politicians that may be on my side, we'll see if that comes to 236 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,650 fruition. I've also got a couple other things, and I'm working 237 00:15:37,650 --> 00:15:42,360 directly with the library. I don't have anything to report at 238 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,380 this point where the timeframe is shrinking, but I am working 239 00:15:46,380 --> 00:15:48,630 one on one with them. I've had more correspondence with them 240 00:15:48,630 --> 00:15:54,420 today, trying to break down essentially, how we can speed 241 00:15:54,420 --> 00:15:59,340 this up and and make this a lot quicker than a decade. Okay, so 242 00:15:59,340 --> 00:16:02,040 now because I was getting ahead of myself, this is the newest 243 00:16:02,070 --> 00:16:07,410 response that I have that breaks down what those files are. I'm 244 00:16:07,410 --> 00:16:09,870 going to break it down paragraph by paragraph, your request for 245 00:16:09,870 --> 00:16:12,780 records pertaining to documents and communications about 246 00:16:12,810 --> 00:16:16,800 unidentified flying objects and unidentified aerial phenomena 247 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,280 has been piggybacked onto a FOIA request previously submitted for 248 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,640 similar records as stated in our letter dated March 11. This 249 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,310 request is in the complex, unclassified electronic queue. 250 00:16:26,580 --> 00:16:29,670 And there are 64 requests ahead of it in this queue, our best 251 00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:33,870 estimate is 12 years. Looking at the case logs that were 252 00:16:33,870 --> 00:16:37,350 published, I am likely piggybacked with Grant Cameron, 253 00:16:37,950 --> 00:16:43,320 who who submitted a UFO UAP related request about three days 254 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,910 prior to mine, which I believe was the first day that you could 255 00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:51,690 submit so he was right there waiting to do this, he filed 256 00:16:51,690 --> 00:16:55,950 quite a few other requests. So go him because he was right 257 00:16:55,950 --> 00:17:00,090 there in line ready to go. Your request for advanced aerospace 258 00:17:00,090 --> 00:17:02,820 weapon system application program was also piggybacked, 259 00:17:02,850 --> 00:17:07,170 but we were unable to locate any unclassified records related to 260 00:17:07,170 --> 00:17:10,200 this topic. Classified records are at the National 261 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,490 declassification center, their search may result in potentially 262 00:17:14,490 --> 00:17:17,190 classified records that are responsive to your request, I 263 00:17:17,190 --> 00:17:19,680 will send notification once our initial search is completed. 264 00:17:20,190 --> 00:17:23,790 What I'm not sure here is if they are aware that they are 265 00:17:23,790 --> 00:17:28,170 classified or SAP related documents, or they're waiting 266 00:17:28,170 --> 00:17:31,080 for the National declassification center, to give 267 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,040 them an answer, still waiting on that, but at least they are 268 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,150 again breaking down what they've told me previously. This is 269 00:17:39,150 --> 00:17:42,240 where it gets a little bit more interesting. Your request for 270 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,240 records pertaining to documents, and communications of the 271 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,210 advanced aerospace threat Identification Program, and 272 00:17:48,420 --> 00:17:51,630 photos and videos of unidentified flying objects, 273 00:17:51,900 --> 00:17:55,560 unidentified aerial phenomena or phenomenon, advanced aerospace 274 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,440 weapon system application program and the advanced 275 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,100 aerospace threat Identification Program is the other portion of 276 00:18:02,100 --> 00:18:07,080 the request. As stated in our letter, dated March 10 2022. 277 00:18:07,410 --> 00:18:10,410 This request is in the complex, unclassified electronic queue. 278 00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:13,950 And there are 87 requests ahead of yours in this queue. Our best 279 00:18:13,950 --> 00:18:16,650 estimate at this time is that it may be completed in 280 00:18:16,650 --> 00:18:20,460 approximately 16 years. So I'm guessing because this wasn't 281 00:18:20,460 --> 00:18:24,600 piggybacked on anything. The way that I worded it really is 282 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:29,790 making them dig for these OSS app and or a tip related records 283 00:18:29,790 --> 00:18:33,120 potentially containing videos and photos. And for whatever 284 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:36,090 reason, they believe that this particular part of the request 285 00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:40,860 will be 16 years. Here's the great part. As stated in our 286 00:18:40,860 --> 00:18:44,610 letter dated March 10 2022, we have identified approximately 287 00:18:44,610 --> 00:18:47,310 3440 pages 288 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:54,720 and 26,271 electronic files, estimated to be equivalent to 289 00:18:54,720 --> 00:19:03,150 131,355 pages of potentially responsive records that must be 290 00:19:03,150 --> 00:19:07,440 processed in order to respond to your request. This is placed a 291 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,650 request in a complex queue. Yeah, no kidding, your request 292 00:19:10,650 --> 00:19:13,770 will be processed in segments, because of the volume of 293 00:19:13,770 --> 00:19:18,600 potentially responsive records, we will review 50,000 pages and 294 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:23,820 then this request will go to the end of the queue. This means it 295 00:19:23,820 --> 00:19:26,460 will take longer for you to receive the records that you're 296 00:19:26,460 --> 00:19:31,890 interested in. So remember those 16 years is likely not 16 years, 297 00:19:32,130 --> 00:19:36,750 but a lot more according to them. I am again working with 298 00:19:36,750 --> 00:19:39,990 the library to get them to reduce this and reduce the 299 00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:44,520 scope. I'm already telling them to omit certain things. And at 300 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,630 this point, I may consider breaking this request into 301 00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:52,680 numerous other requests to see what we can do. Regardless. Part 302 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,200 of that gets a little bit technical, but I'm letting you 303 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,970 know that even though it's so disheartening to hear 16 years 304 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,750 To wait, and then when you see this break down even longer. 305 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,110 Yeah, that's frustrating, but know that I'm just not laying 306 00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:11,040 down and rolling over and taking the estimate, but rather working 307 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:15,000 very hard to reduce that, reduce the scope and see what we can 308 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:22,740 do. The congressman from Tennessee timber, Chet was 309 00:20:22,890 --> 00:20:26,310 apparently very surprised by the story for those who don't follow 310 00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:31,800 on social media. I was surprised myself, Congressman Burchette, 311 00:20:32,010 --> 00:20:39,060 saw the story, saw my tweet about it, retweeted it, and said 312 00:20:39,060 --> 00:20:42,900 great work. And I was quite impressed by that, because it's 313 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:47,550 not every day that a sitting congressman retweets a UFO 314 00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:51,540 related story and complements the work behind it. So I had 315 00:20:51,540 --> 00:20:54,960 tweeted to him a thank you that I you know, this is a 316 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,440 nonpartisan issue. So it doesn't matter what your thoughts are on 317 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,380 a sitting congressman or not or what their political 318 00:21:01,380 --> 00:21:04,830 affiliations are or not or what Bill they supported in the past 319 00:21:04,830 --> 00:21:09,600 or not. This is a nonpartisan issue and should remain so. And 320 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,570 so I had just tweeted him thank you said I was honored that he 321 00:21:12,570 --> 00:21:15,750 saw the story and felt the need to share with his followers, 322 00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:20,520 constituents and so on. And he retweeted that, and said that 323 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,210 this, this entire story is a cover up to essentially keep at 324 00:21:24,210 --> 00:21:29,760 it. And for them for them meaning Congress to relay a UFO 325 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,320 related story is big enough for him to retweet my thanks for 326 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,740 doing that and saying keep at it, this is a cover up. That was 327 00:21:37,740 --> 00:21:40,710 something even more extraordinary, you just don't 328 00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:45,570 see that every day. So I was surprised at that and happy to 329 00:21:45,570 --> 00:21:49,320 see it. And surprisingly, Congressman Burchette was not 330 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,680 even one of the congressmen and senators that I reached out to 331 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,180 for help. So the fact that he saw it somehow and felt the need 332 00:21:57,180 --> 00:22:00,210 to go out of his way to do that. Very, very cool. But it shows 333 00:22:00,210 --> 00:22:04,110 how the tides have turned a little bit when it comes to 334 00:22:04,110 --> 00:22:08,280 Congress. And the conversation about UFOs. In closing, I want 335 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:14,190 to go back and punch the one point 131,355 pages of 336 00:22:14,190 --> 00:22:20,280 potentially responsive records. That is a huge load of records. 337 00:22:20,580 --> 00:22:27,390 The CIA only has about 3030 500. The NSA has, you know, 800 to 338 00:22:27,390 --> 00:22:31,350 1000. The DIA, I think collectively has 1000 Very rough 339 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:31,860 estimates. 340 00:22:31,860 --> 00:22:36,630 But you're talking about very small numbers on UFOs. For the 341 00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:40,710 Obama administration to come back and say we have over 130 342 00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:44,790 Potentially responses 130,000 Potentially responsive records, 343 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:50,130 that is a huge deal. Even 10% of that, if they consider it 344 00:22:50,130 --> 00:22:54,510 relevant and for whatever reason that other 90% Wasn't, that's a 345 00:22:54,510 --> 00:23:00,270 big deal. I will dispel the potential myth that is brewing 346 00:23:00,270 --> 00:23:04,350 that this is a generic number that this is what's at the 347 00:23:04,350 --> 00:23:08,910 library. And I will just say again, there's no way that that 348 00:23:08,910 --> 00:23:13,140 they only have 131,000 pages of digital files to sift through to 349 00:23:13,140 --> 00:23:17,160 see if any are related to a tip. Obviously, they will have into 350 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:23,130 the the millions of pages over a year administration. So so even 351 00:23:23,130 --> 00:23:25,710 though that sounds like common sense, probably to most of you, 352 00:23:25,890 --> 00:23:28,920 I have seen that argument that they just thought oh, well, you 353 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,310 know, this is what we have at the library. So this is this is 354 00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:35,700 what we have to search through, they did something. And that's 355 00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:38,760 what I'm figuring out on how they came up with those numbers. 356 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,620 And I will update you on social media. But also on top of that, 357 00:23:43,860 --> 00:23:48,330 do a new video if it is extraordinary, and something I 358 00:23:48,330 --> 00:23:51,600 should inform you on. So that's the story. That's the breakdown. 359 00:23:51,930 --> 00:23:55,740 I know, sometimes this gets a little dry, don't get me wrong, 360 00:23:56,490 --> 00:23:59,190 it gets a little repetitive because they use the same 361 00:23:59,190 --> 00:24:02,310 language. So for me to tell you properly the story, you might 362 00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:05,280 hear things a couple different times, simply because I hear 363 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,570 them a couple different times. But I do that too, to not only 364 00:24:09,570 --> 00:24:12,810 keep you guys informed, but on top of that I know a lot of you 365 00:24:12,810 --> 00:24:15,570 and even a bigger percentage this week with the exposure for 366 00:24:15,570 --> 00:24:19,050 Sunshine Week, are looking into FOIA and how it can work for 367 00:24:19,050 --> 00:24:23,640 them. And I like going through these because it shows you what 368 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,750 is normal, sometimes what is not normal, what's abnormal in these 369 00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:30,660 types of requests, but also what you guys can expect if you 370 00:24:30,660 --> 00:24:33,720 decide to dive into the FOIA. For the rest of you, if it just 371 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,540 goes on too long. I do apologize. But that is the 372 00:24:36,540 --> 00:24:39,990 update. That's where we're at. And it's just onwards and 373 00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:43,860 upwards. From here. We'll see what the Obama Library says. I 374 00:24:43,860 --> 00:24:46,290 want to close with this even though again, it is frustrating 375 00:24:46,290 --> 00:24:49,020 to get those estimates but encouraging at the amount of 376 00:24:49,020 --> 00:24:52,920 information that's found. I have zero complaints at the 377 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,360 communication from the Obama Library. And that is something 378 00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:01,740 that I very much appreciate as a researcher And somebody that 379 00:25:01,770 --> 00:25:05,220 although is met with a extraordinarily long timeframe, 380 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,840 very much appreciate their willingness to work with me and 381 00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:13,680 break down the information very quickly, because they have 382 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,740 responded to some of this very, very quickly when I have 383 00:25:16,740 --> 00:25:20,970 questions. Hopefully it stays that way. But well, you know, 384 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,790 jury's still out on that. But at least at this point, I do want 385 00:25:23,790 --> 00:25:26,880 to take the time, especially here on Sunshine Week, to 386 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,720 recognize an agency that is very communicative. And hopefully 387 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,580 those 16 and 12 year estimates are nothing of the sort because 388 00:25:36,690 --> 00:25:42,630 that shouldn't happen with 60 or 80 cases at this point. So I'll 389 00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:46,740 keep you updated. Thank you guys so much. I know I'm a broken 390 00:25:46,740 --> 00:25:50,040 record on this part, please. If you're on YouTube, give that 391 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,770 thumbs up button a hit. Make sure you're subscribed to the 392 00:25:52,770 --> 00:25:56,790 channel. And the biggest help is spreading the word about this 393 00:25:56,790 --> 00:25:59,940 video, and many others if you feel that they will be of 394 00:25:59,940 --> 00:26:03,270 interest. 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