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John Greenewald: One thing that
blows me away about this on

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March 29 2019, an online video
series called The basement

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office dropped its first
episode.

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Steven Greenstreet: My name is
Steven Green Street. I'm a

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journalist with the New York
Post. Over the next few

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episodes, we're going to examine
the UFO phenomenon from every

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possible angle.

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John Greenewald: After 20 videos
dropped to their YouTube's

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playlist over the course of
about two years production seem

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to stop. But behind the scenes,
the work, never did. Greenstreet

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has been busy meticulously
putting together puzzle pieces

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about alleged paranormal themed
government programs and the

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people that ran them. Awesome. A
tip werewolves, Dyno beavers,

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Luis Elizondo, Skinwalker Ranch,
James McCaskey, and all sorts of

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other breadcrumbs have been
under green Street's microscope.

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He can't be a year or two off
the result, a near 44 minute

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full length documentary style
video to show that even though

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you think you know what this
entire story is all about,

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chances are, you probably don't.
On top of that, it was Stephen

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Green Street himself is about to
enter the vault to showcase some

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of the biggest questions that
arise from the contradicting

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evidence. So stay tuned, you're
about to journey inside the

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black vault.

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That's right, everybody. As
always, thank you so much for

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tuning in and making this your
podcast of choice. I'm your

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host, John Greenwald, Jr. and
today I am joined by Steven

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Green Street. Now he has just
recently launched his new

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episode of the basement office.
It has been a popular online

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series. You've heard a little
bit about it in the intro. But

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Steven, thank you so much for
coming back to the show. And

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taking some time with us today.

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Steven Greenstreet: Sure, of
course, I love being here.

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John Greenewald: And and we love
having you. We always love your

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perspective. Obviously, the
basement office, as I said, has

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been a hit. A lot of people are
watching it. And there was a lot

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of anticipation for this episode
that just dropped. Now, I want

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to stress to the audience. Watch
it. And in fact, if you're not

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watching this live or the
premiere, go ahead and pause the

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video because I would encourage
you to watch Stephens almost 45

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minute break down of all SAP a
tip and that entire saga because

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I'm not going to have him go
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you all to watch that. but
rather we're going to talk about

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the making of it the background
and what the reaction has been

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in this episode. So Steven, let
me take you back though before

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you made that episode all the
way back to the beginning of the

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basement office. Put your mind
back there. What did you want to

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accomplish with that series?

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Steven Greenstreet: Right. So I
got into the UFO game back in

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spring 2019. So that would be
you know, around 18 months after

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this big bombshell story started
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the hill. And I mean, honestly
how the basement office came

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about was a random like,
statistician, an analytics

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person came up to the video team
and they said, Hey, like this

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UFO story, people are searching
for UFO stuff. Like maybe you

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should do something in video
about UFOs ongoing. So they came

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to me and they said pitch us an
idea. And I didn't want to do

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like a History Channel show
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recreations and like gravitas.
NARRATION So my thought was just

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two dudes sitting at a desk
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about UFOs that was it. And when
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that point, I was just a
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spectator to the New York Times
article, and I didn't I hadn't

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dug into any of this. I just
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every one in the media was
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true. Because, you know,
sometimes topics they get

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politicized were the right you
know, appropriate to end becomes

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a right wing issue or the left
appropriate that becomes a left

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wing issue. But this was like a
topic where everyone across the

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spectrum was very gurjit tating
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Fox News, MSNBC, Politico,
everyone was like on the basics.

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And so when I entered the game,
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that everyone in the world at
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know, I saw that I started
there. Okay. This has been

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reported for 18 months. I'm
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So that was my launch pad was
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here and go from there. And it
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the bat, some weird things
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asked, you know, well, you know,
for our show, we should get our

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own Pentagon statement. So
rather than saying CNN reported,

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the Pentagon said, or the Times
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Let's be able to say the
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Yeah, okay, great. reached out
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get two bombshells in the same
email. I didn't think I was

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gonna get anything new at that
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I'm just like, you know, the
lobby dial like, hey, Pentagon

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just want a statement or about a
tip and Elizondo thinks, and

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then they write back saying, you
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and Elizondo had no
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so we're just right off the bat.
It was a very, like, head

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shaking moment, where, how is it
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that 18 months into this, some
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the New York Post, sends off a
generic email and gets to

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bombshells? Why didn't anyone
else ask about this? Why was I

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the first to get these
statements? You know, it was

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weird to me. It's like, Wait,
surely someone reported this

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already. And I spent weeks when
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a week and a half, making sure
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that that no one else had the
statement. And you know, I

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interviewed you about it. To
that first video, you're in it.

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And it was a shocking thing for
the Pentagon to say at that

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point. Yeah. And then you know,
the Pentagon saying he had

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Elizondo had no
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Well, wait. 18 months have gone
by and no one has bothered to

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ask this or to get this
statement. And I worked on a

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story for weeks on the Pentagon
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responsibilities. And in the
emails, actually, that you FoId

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that are on the black pole. You
can read my correspondence with

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Chris Sherwood, and there was
this ongoing thing where he

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said, he was like, Oh, we're
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records, we're gonna send you
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And, you know, I was really
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documentation. Right? I could
release a story. And here the

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documents here is the employment
records that say this or

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whatever. And I was waiting on
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story it never launched, it
never aired. And then I was

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scooped by Keith klore, which,
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It's, that is a unique moment,
if I had to like one of them on

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and I'm not being facetious, one
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of my life.

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was waking up on June 1 2019.
And seeing the intercept and

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Keith klore released a story
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weeks and got scooped and like
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John Greenewald: why do you if
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Why do you feel that that's an
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because a lot of people will
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who you know, who cares what the
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coming into the topic and seeing
what you did? You did get that

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bombshell thing you use the word
shocked. I think that I use the

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same word when you interviewed
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had already set up that they
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all of a sudden boom, you get
the statement that they were Why

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was the other part of that
important to you? Why did you

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feel that was a big story?

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Steven Greenstreet: The Elizondo
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get your point of view at the at
the time at the time history

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channel was promoting the
unidentified show, right. And it

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was, you know, it was being
advertised and promoted and

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everything. And I thought it was
a bombshell in of itself that

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this story which was snow
balling, and was about to

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release a big documentary. We're
literally in the trailer for the

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History Channel show. It says he
ran the Pentagon's top secret

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UFO program, like literally big
green ethnic on screen. And here

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I have a statement from the
Pentagon saying no. So obviously

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that's a big story. And that's
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it was, it was weird to me that,
again, why I was the first one

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to get this statement. And it
infer what that told me is no

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one was picking up the phone. No
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PA to know it, there was this
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For the most part, a copy paste
of the same story. One of the

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Times reported this, let's
regurgitate it, let's rewrite

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it, let's release it, and on and
on and on and on. No one was

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like stopping and going, let's
get into the weeds on this a

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little bit. So I was off put by
that, but I was like, why am I

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the first to get this? In fact,
another way, you know, when I

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called the DIA when I spoke to
James Kudla you know, and I was

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asking him about a tip and
Elizondo the first sentence out

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of his mouth, from his mouth to
my ears was wow, I haven't been

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asked that in a long time. I
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a long time. And I was like,
what really? You're phone should

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be lit up every day about this.
So anyway, I was. So anyway, was

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a big story and there was a
whole process behind. So at the

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time, there was a PR firm
handling the promotion for

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unidentified and went we first
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we had like, a talent outreach
person at the post, okay, whose

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talent was finding talent, you
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representatives, getting them on
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Elizondo, she got Elizondo on
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and happy to talk and Hell yeah,
let's do this. I'll do an

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interview with you guys who, and
then that got shut down like

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overnight, the PR firm handling
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Channel show was a big PR firm.
They emailed me and they're

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like, We understand. You want to
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like from there, it was just me
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had the this girl call Elizondo
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happening. And this PR firm was
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And I was like, Well, I just got
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that says, Elizondo had nothing
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replied, he'll talk to you off
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like, Well, I'm not interested
in that. I'm not interested in

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off record, I want to I want a
response. And I would like it

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from him. And they were like,
Nope, that's not going to

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happen. And then they copied and
pasted, carried alongs statement

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about, you know, he started in
2010, and a tip and, and all

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that stuff. And I was like,
that's great. But the Pentagon

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is saying the opposite of that,
like, can I get better? And then

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they got, like, angry with me.
This PR firm, they're like,

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what's your angle here? It
doesn't sound like what like

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they got really defensive. And
and then when it became

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apparent, I wasn't getting
anything else. You know, I kind

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of went with Sherwood and I was
like, Look, I need more than a

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statement if you have it. Do you
have any documentation? Is there

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anything I can get sure where it
was like, we'll send you some,

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some employment records. I'm
working to get those I think he

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said I'm working to get his
employment records. And I was

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like, Great, perfect. That's,
you know, that helps. And then

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close thing dropped and my story
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John Greenewald: So from there,
where did you go with this?

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Where are you in the mindset and
this is before this recent

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episode, but but post, you know,
the intercept, you know, got the

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scoop. But post that. Where were
you at? Were you thinking okay,

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the government is really being a
pain here. They're obfuscating

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Elizondo is lying Where were you
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Steven Greenstreet: So I was I
still had that like, benefit of

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the doubt where I, who was I to
say that nearly every media

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entity on planet Earth was
wrong. That's how I felt at that

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point. I was just the video dude
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Post. And so I didn't start off
on the right foot I should have

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started blank slate you know
myself and just started from

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there. But I didn't start from
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assumption in the benefit of the
doubt that everything that's

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been reported globally, the
basics are true. Now, I was

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starting to think that there
might be something personal and

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I think I even reported this or
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in the day where I felt like
people within the Pentagon had a

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personal issue with Elizondo and
there was like they were out to

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get him you know, and Elizondo
push that as well. He spoke that

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as well. Hello, he been fired
filed, a DOD IG complained about

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that. So there was a quote from
Sherwood, to me about how he's

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not really happy with the way
they're handling the story. It

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was like this break, he broke
out of his PEO shell and like,

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gave me this line. And I was
like, Whoa, what is going on

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over at the Pentagon? You know,
so there was I did smell

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something weird there. And so I
just assumed that could be what

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was happening. And it didn't
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the headspace I was in was, you
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true.

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John Greenewald: And that line
he gave you was

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Steven Greenstreet: Sherwood,
Sherwood, Sherwood told me, you

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know, I was, I was going back
and forth with him about a two

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minute Lozado. And I was just
like, look what's going on. I

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literally was like, on the phone
to share what I was like, What's

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going on over there? Like, why
is this such a tough thing? I'm

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asking yes or no questions. Why
can't you give me yes or no

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answers? And he sighed and said,
I'm not really happy with the

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way they're handling the story.
The story here, and I was like,

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Who? Oh, okay. You're
frustrated? I got it. Like,

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there's something behind the
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John Greenewald: Yeah. Now,
obviously, now you've set up

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exploring the story that there's
problems in the Pentagon. But

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now fast forward. You had again,
I don't mean to beat the dead

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horse, but a successful run with
that basement office. You know,

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first you had 20 videos in the
in the playlist, people have

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been highly anticipating you to
keep going. And now you've

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you've released your newest
video, in a nutshell, why? How

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would you describe your recent
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Steven Greenstreet: My recent
video is the culmination of at

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least a year plus, of me losing
my religion of me. It's the end

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result of me asking myself, What
if I'm wrong about all of this,

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and challenging myself, to prove
to myself that I'm not wrong?

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Because as you said, I did 20
Plus episodes of the basement

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saying one thing, I challenged
myself to continue that to keep

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going and toeing that line. And
I quickly discovered I couldn't

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do that video. This new episode
is the culmination of what I've

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discovered in the last year.

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John Greenewald: And when you
say challenge your belief were

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you set in something and then
you had a kind of moment of of

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change.

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Steven Greenstreet: Yeah, yeah.
The I was wrong. And I was I

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didn't realize it completely. At
the time, the red flag started

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to appear. I was immediate
lackey I was I was a messenger

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boy. I was being groomed to
release PR statements to the

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masses for disingenuous people
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John Greenewald: the Pentagon
side or outside of the Pentagon,

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just to clarify, Lou

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Steven Greenstreet: Elizondo. To
clarify, I was being groomed in

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use that's this is just how I
feel this is my opinion, and how

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it My interpretation is that
there was a buddy buddy thing

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happening. A buddy buddy thing
happening and where it's like,

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you know, Steve's the guy we're
gonna reach out to if we have a

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message to get out there, Steve,
Steve, Steve's one of the guys,

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we're going to hit up and
support because we want whatever

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story to hit the headlines. And
I slowly started to realize that

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and it wasn't until I got this
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where I went, Oh, it's just
like, my whole world collapsed.

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John Greenewald: Oh, is that but
I have to jump in. You just

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flashed? I'm guessing the
complaint. Yeah, this is the DoD

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IG because you have a screenshot
I think of one of the pages in

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your video and that's the Yep.
Okay. I think that you showed

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that in the video. Okay, so this
made you have a shift.

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Steven Greenstreet: It was. If
you go back and watch the show,

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all the episodes, you'll see if
I'm critical, and I ask critical

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questions. So I was always kind
of milking that critical side of

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myself. But when I got the DoD
IG complaint, which was sent to

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me, I asked for, I asked for it
directly. Tell us on those

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representative who said To me,
and I was at, you know, and I'll

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never forget, it was like may 20
or something. No, maybe it was

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June. I stayed up till 3am
drinking scotch and just like

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rubbing my head. And at one
point I called Tim McMillan in

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Germany, because I knew he had
it as well. And I was I needed

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to talk to someone because I was
just like, some of this stuff

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doesn't make sense to me. Like
some of this stuff just isn't

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making sense to me. And I needed
someone to like talk to talk me

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through it. And because they're
the story we were told in 2017.

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And, and since there were things
in this DoD IG complaint written

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in his word sign with his
signature that I was confused

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about and going like, Well,
wait, wait a second here. And

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that's, that was the beginning.
That was it. That was the

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beginning of my downfall. That
was the beginning of my heresy.

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John Greenewald: So what, Wolf?
Okay, I've to two questions very

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quickly. So it seems like a lot
of you have gotten this IG

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complaint. I asked Elizondo his
team, but but that's shut down.

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It was a private communication.
So I'm not gonna say I was told

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no, I tried through FOIA, it was
denied. How many people are

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getting this? And why is the
second part of that that

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question

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Steven Greenstreet: was Hold on
a sec, I just want to show you.

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John Greenewald: Can you send me
a copy of the IG complaint

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vendor got? Yeah. Like, I assume
that was either to Louise

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Elizondo, or his PR people.

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Steven Greenstreet: So yeah. And
they sent it to me. And so as

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far as I know, Brian Bender, Tim
McMillan me. And I believe the

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representative told me, someone
at NBC. Also got it. Okay. But

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weirdly enough, weirdly enough,
like all these random trolls on

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Twitter, have come out over the
last two weeks claiming shocking

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in nearly proving that they also
got it. So it's almost like it

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was it was sent out to people.
Look, it was sent to people they

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felt comfortable with it.

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John Greenewald: Was there a
purpose? Can I ask that? Was

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there a reason why they thought
okay, Stephen Green Street

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serves X purpose. Let's give it
to him. What did they want?

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Steven Greenstreet: A roll. Look
at the look at the episode of

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the basement office I released
in June of 2021. That's what

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they wanted. And that's what I
produced. It was a defensive

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that Lou Elizondo claims x about
the Pentagon and they're after

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him, and I have documentation
exclusively, showing that

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they're after him, you know, and
he's running for Congress. And

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he's the victim. You know, it
was like that kind of, I mean,

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the behind the scenes chats were
like, Pat's on the back to me to

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me. Good job, man. You nailed
that one, you know, that kind of

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thing.

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John Greenewald: I may get
lambasted for this question by

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some people that are likely
watching this throwing eggs at

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their monitor. But did you feel
or have you felt or do you feel

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conclusively that you were being
groomed as let's say, like an

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asset rather than a journalist
for them?

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Steven Greenstreet: Yeah. I
mean, not groomed that word,

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maybe a little weird, but I was
being utilized as a go to I was

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in the inner circle. I could
pick up the phone and talk to

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whoever you know, and get the
inside stuff. And there there

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was this feeling of I was a
vessel a he's a guy we can trust

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to get our thing out, you know,
and that's not uncommon at all,

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I mean, whether you're a shoe
company or a celebrity or

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whatever, you find your for a
good PR firm finds their

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sympathetic voice in the media
and like milks that you know, of

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course, and I felt like I was
becoming that and it felt gross

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and it felt like I was selling
out and I the things that I

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heard on some of those phone
calls, you know, such as so

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literally on the phone with
representatives with Lou

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Elizondo telling me so and so.
Oh, so ones over there

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complaining that everyone seems
to be making money off this

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except for us. And, and just
like, you know, true behind the

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scenes stuff, where it wasn't
like this stately Pentagon guy

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in a suit on CNN, like, just the
facts, Joe, you know, that kind

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of thing, but like behind the
scenes stuff, just some crazy

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stuff, man, look, I'm not gonna,
like, reveal some of these

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sources, but I was hearing
stories about like fortune

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tellings and predicting the
future and magic and just a

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whole bunch of like crazy stuff
and ranting and raving and I did

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it was bizarre to me.

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John Greenewald: It's bizarre to
hear with that. I don't want to

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keep keep focusing on that,
because I don't want you to

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betray, you know, again, sources
or confidential conversations,

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but I can obviously see where
you're going. And it's very

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admirable. I know. And I've seen
people say this on social media,

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and I'll tell you the same, it
would be a lot easier for you to

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have gone on and written that
train and stayed on it. versus

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going, You know what, this isn't
right, this is gross. This is

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making me dirty. I, you know,
I'm out. I'm not putting words

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in your mouth, but rather, you
know, good for you, honestly,

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because I can see how you could
easily have a much better time

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in this conversation by staying
where you were, but you saw

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enough to go elsewhere, which I
think is telling Yeah.

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Steven Greenstreet: I've said
this too, you know, in 2019,

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when I released that big story.
And then when I released the

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first season of the basement
office, I had like, what 900

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followers on Twitter. And then
it was just like, boom, like, I

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got this like outpouring of like
love adoration, who's this new

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guy, the new for this new voice,
we love you great job. And like

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that can become addicted to that
like dopamine fix of like

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validation. You wake up every
day to dozens of messages of

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people saying they love what you
do and everything you say, and

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all this stuff that can become
addictive. And I realized about

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a year, year and a half ago,
that was disingenuous, it was I

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could do it, my life is so much
easier. If I don't go this way.

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If I just toe the line and keep
repeating the statements, and

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pushing the fantasy and the
absolute delusion if I keep

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doing that, who knows, like
maybe you know, I'm hosting

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coast to coast in five years or
something, you know, like, there

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was a trajectory. Words,
literally word spoken to my ears

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from powerful type people within
the niche. You could be the new

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face of this, you could be the
new face of this. You're going

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to have your own show one day,
and I'm not talking New York

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Post, you're going to have your
own show one day. These were

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things told to me. And I burned
all of that to the fucking

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ground. All have it. Like kids
at the end of the day, it just

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there's a feeling I felt in my
stomach just all around where it

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was like, No, I'm not doing
this. Like, if it's not right

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in, it's not correct. I'm out.
I'm out completely. I'll walk

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away. And I walked I'm walking
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John Greenewald: How did the
publishing of skinwalkers in the

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Pentagon at the Pentagon either
contribute to alter or reinforce

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where you were when that book
came out later last year.

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Steven Greenstreet: Right. So I
love that book, man. I love

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skinwalkers out of the Pentagon.
So what that did was two things.

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One was all SAP which was
something that I peripherally

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kind of understood up to that
point. It really lit a fire

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under me to like really figuring
out what the hell RCEP was. And

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I mean, James McCaskey was like
the white whale to a lot of

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people for the longest time and
to like read his story and his

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words was fascinating. And I was
like, Wait, there's a whole

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nother narrative here that got
skipped over that no one talked

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about really. And it contradicts
again, Elizondo story, you know,

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so it was like yet another thing
and like Caskey is not out there

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trying to be a movie star like
cat skis not out there trying to

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sell shows like cat skis men out
there, you know landing massive

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book deals and these things so
there was also like a level of

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Interesting legitimacy to that
there was almost like, I just

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want to tell my side of the
story. And then I'm and

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John Greenewald: and more of a
self published to, you know that

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it wasn't a big book deal from a
major publishing house with a

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huge advance. I mean, they did
it. And they've been ridiculed

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from some corners. But to be
honest with you, I actually

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complimented because they likely
could have went out and gotten a

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big advance, but they told the
story their way, which is also

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possibly telling.

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Steven Greenstreet: Yeah, and
also, look, I'm gonna, I'm gonna

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catch some crap from skeptics,
but it increased my respect for

430
00:30:35,969 --> 00:30:42,239
George Knapp. Like I am a pain
in the ass to George Knapp. I

431
00:30:42,239 --> 00:30:46,409
know I am. I'm a huge pain in
his ass. But it I increased my

432
00:30:46,409 --> 00:30:50,369
respect for him. Because after
skinwalkers, you know, I went

433
00:30:50,369 --> 00:30:53,699
back my journey through all this
was going back to the beginning,

434
00:30:54,329 --> 00:30:57,959
and starting over. And when I
did that, I realized I was like,

435
00:30:57,959 --> 00:31:01,859
Holy crap, like, Knapp is
actually telling this story that

436
00:31:01,859 --> 00:31:04,889
most of the media didn't even
realize till years later. Like,

437
00:31:04,889 --> 00:31:07,979
he's actually out there saying,
No, it's this. And here's this.

438
00:31:07,979 --> 00:31:12,989
And here's what happened. And
everyone, including myself,

439
00:31:12,989 --> 00:31:17,309
wasn't paying attention. You
know, we really didn't notice

440
00:31:17,369 --> 00:31:20,819
the real story here. We've got
bits and pieces, but I don't

441
00:31:20,819 --> 00:31:23,819
know, I think at the, the
basics, I think George Knapp

442
00:31:24,419 --> 00:31:28,079
should have written the New York
Times article. And he even says,

443
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:33,089
he goes on podcasts. He goes on
podcasts lately saying he wanted

444
00:31:33,089 --> 00:31:36,779
to, you know, he, he had this
story. He was working on it. And

445
00:31:36,779 --> 00:31:41,099
then he worked it as I was
approached, or I was informed,

446
00:31:41,249 --> 00:31:45,659
no, don't release your story.
We're going to do it in the New

447
00:31:45,659 --> 00:31:49,859
York Times, because that will
help the issue even bigger. And

448
00:31:49,859 --> 00:31:52,589
he concedes that like, he was
like, oh, okay, well, that's

449
00:31:52,589 --> 00:31:55,829
kind of a good point. It'll
reach a larger audience if you

450
00:31:55,829 --> 00:31:59,009
do it in the times. And then he
reads the Times article, and

451
00:31:59,009 --> 00:32:03,299
he's just like, What is this?
This is not the story. You know,

452
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:08,699
this is so weird, in a weird
way, like I got the book, get I

453
00:32:08,699 --> 00:32:12,959
respected George Knapp, a little
bit more after reading the book.

454
00:32:14,490 --> 00:32:17,400
John Greenewald: I'm definitely
not on George's Christmas list.

455
00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:20,100
Sadly, I'm not his favorite
person, I still have a lot of

456
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:23,010
respect for him. But I know he
doesn't like me, because I do

457
00:32:24,030 --> 00:32:27,120
have some views about how this
all played out that I know that

458
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,580
he doesn't appreciate but
there's no hiding from the fact

459
00:32:29,580 --> 00:32:33,390
that he had access, you know, he
was getting these documents and

460
00:32:33,390 --> 00:32:35,850
putting them out there. And
although I'm not a fan of leaks,

461
00:32:36,030 --> 00:32:39,960
he obviously had access to that
material. And I've never shied

462
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,280
away from from that. But do you
believe that his access, and

463
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,870
essentially his accuracy, played
a role in someone telling him?

464
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:54,300
No, we're going to do this our
way and kick back, because I

465
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:57,450
can't help but bring up the
section of your video where

466
00:32:57,660 --> 00:33:02,310
Leslie Kane on Showtime said
that she essentially selectively

467
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:07,110
omitted certain parts of of the
story. And you I know, you got a

468
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:10,950
lot of flack for this, but
really said, Hey, is this the

469
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:14,580
work of an activist or a
journalist? And I think that

470
00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:17,250
that's a very important question
here. So to go back to the root

471
00:33:17,250 --> 00:33:22,290
of why I'm bringing this up, is
do you think that someone had an

472
00:33:22,290 --> 00:33:28,140
agenda to tell the story a
certain way? And if so, who was

473
00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:30,600
that? Or was this just the
journalist saying, hey, we want

474
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,220
to do this our way and we want
the credit.

475
00:33:32,790 --> 00:33:37,560
Steven Greenstreet: Yeah. So I
dug into that, too, to see if

476
00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:42,300
journalists were intentionally
hearing about offset and the

477
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:45,420
werewolves and going, Oh, we're
not talking about that. Let's

478
00:33:45,420 --> 00:33:49,950
just report it our way. And I'm
not sure I can't say either way.

479
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,700
I shared Leslie's on record
statement from the Showtime

480
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:57,570
documentary, only to illustrate
and she says it in her words.

481
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,680
Yeah, my angle. My specific
angle with this story was to

482
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,300
give this topic credibility. And
that was not the first step in

483
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:12,120
getting people to accept this.
So she's saying My goal with the

484
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,320
article was to get people to
believe in UFOs. But beyond

485
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,670
that, I can't decisively say
whether they avoided or separate

486
00:34:20,670 --> 00:34:25,410
Intel, but also, it could be
that the melon, I mean, melons

487
00:34:25,410 --> 00:34:31,080
on record, and military.com
saying literally admitting, oui,

488
00:34:31,110 --> 00:34:35,010
oui intention intentionally are
not telling anyone about offset.

489
00:34:35,070 --> 00:34:39,840
We're leaving ourselves out of
the story, because that would

490
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,420
have been counterproductive with
Congress and in a weird way.

491
00:34:42,420 --> 00:34:45,930
He's right. But still, the whole
story should be told. And melon

492
00:34:45,930 --> 00:34:50,550
and Keane go back before the
2017 New York Times article, I

493
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:55,650
mean, keen, I believe, was
invited to sit on the board with

494
00:34:55,650 --> 00:35:00,960
melon of a some UFO company back
in 2016. So You know, these

495
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,890
people, when you trace the
family tree, these people kind

496
00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:10,830
of connect and know each other
throughout the years. So it's,

497
00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:18,390
it's a safe bet to say that some
decision was made, hey, let's

498
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:21,720
just go with UFOs wishes. You
know what, let's get some

499
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:25,950
videos, let's find some videos
that I think are important.

500
00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:29,850
Let's release him. And that's
the story and that'll be the

501
00:35:29,850 --> 00:35:30,240
story.

502
00:35:30,810 --> 00:35:32,580
John Greenewald: For those
listeners for those listening

503
00:35:32,580 --> 00:35:36,660
and watching who aren't aware,
the one of the original

504
00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:39,900
journalists, not the New York
Times, but with Politico Brian

505
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:45,060
Bender echoed on Twitter
recently that he felt and

506
00:35:45,060 --> 00:35:48,450
correct me if I'm wrong, but I
think his exact quote was

507
00:35:48,450 --> 00:35:53,130
intentionally misled, that he
felt in the very beginning, he

508
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:57,990
was told things that essentially
weren't weren't 100% accurate.

509
00:35:58,740 --> 00:36:00,720
When you read something like
that, I mean, obviously, you

510
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,720
have your own personal opinions,
but they're essentially being

511
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:07,560
reinforced here by people that
really did dig in before anyone

512
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,900
else dug in. And here we are, X
amount of years later, in 2022.

513
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,900
And that journalist who was
responsible for breaking the

514
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:20,700
original story on day one in, in
addition to the New York Times,

515
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,110
is saying intentionally misled.
How do you interpret that? I

516
00:36:25,110 --> 00:36:29,040
mean, that that takes a lot for
a journalist to say, right, or

517
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:29,520
am I wrong?

518
00:36:29,550 --> 00:36:31,650
Steven Greenstreet: Yeah, it
takes a lot. I mean, I'm saying

519
00:36:31,650 --> 00:36:35,070
that I know, it takes a lot to
be able to say that, but you

520
00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:40,260
know, it, it has more impact
coming from Brian, because as

521
00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:43,290
you say, he was one of the first
to break the story with

522
00:36:43,290 --> 00:36:48,510
exclusive information. You know,
he he and the times almost

523
00:36:48,510 --> 00:36:52,350
simultaneously released their
stories on that day. So it's a

524
00:36:52,350 --> 00:36:56,160
big deal. It's a big deal. And,
you know, I know Brian caught

525
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,920
flack because he eventually
attempted to walk back some of

526
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:07,200
those statements later because
that that was such a huge thing

527
00:37:07,230 --> 00:37:10,410
for him to say it's one thing
for Steve Green Street to say

528
00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:15,870
that but it's a whole nother
level for Brian vendor to say

529
00:37:15,870 --> 00:37:20,760
that. And, you know, he since
you know, walked that back,

530
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,410
released another pro Elizondo
article, and is currently

531
00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:29,130
headlining at a UFO festival.
So, you know, perhaps that

532
00:37:29,130 --> 00:37:32,100
initial tweet of his was like a
moment of weakness?

533
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:37,530
John Greenewald: Yeah, I think
it was, in my opinion, it was

534
00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:42,990
honest, the way that it was said
it was a journalist that just

535
00:37:42,990 --> 00:37:47,700
said, Hey, what I originally
posted was not the full story,

536
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:51,540
even though he he had me blocked
for a while, there's no secret

537
00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:54,990
about that had me blocked for a
while because of these types of

538
00:37:54,990 --> 00:37:58,800
issues. And he felt his
reporting was challenged. I'm

539
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,250
not sure what moment there was
where he decided to unblock me.

540
00:38:02,490 --> 00:38:06,240
And I like, Brian, I don't think
I don't have any bad blood

541
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:10,200
against him or really anybody
except the anonymous trolls out

542
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,140
there. But regardless, I mean, I
think that that was a big,

543
00:38:13,170 --> 00:38:17,970
honest moment, that I think he
then had to try and walk back.

544
00:38:17,970 --> 00:38:20,880
I'm not sure what the what the
reasoning was for that.

545
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,880
Steven Greenstreet: In his walk
back, John in his walk back, so

546
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,920
he initially says, I was
purposely misled. From, you

547
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,380
know, I was purposely misled.
They didn't tell the whole

548
00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:37,260
story. And then in his walk
back, he's like, but I still

549
00:38:37,260 --> 00:38:38,880
consider them credible sources.

550
00:38:39,180 --> 00:38:42,150
John Greenewald: Yeah, I was
very confused by.

551
00:38:42,990 --> 00:38:45,000
Steven Greenstreet: And then
just like three days later, he

552
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,130
writes, another pro Elizondo
piece releases another pro falls

553
00:38:50,130 --> 00:38:52,680
onto a piece. And that's just
the tip of the iceberg in a

554
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,910
microcosm, in my opinion, is I
think some of these journalists

555
00:38:56,910 --> 00:39:00,450
experience what I experienced,
which is you become a minor

556
00:39:00,450 --> 00:39:04,950
superstar. You become a big fish
in a small pond, like this like

557
00:39:05,010 --> 00:39:10,560
status, and nuking that status.
You know, who knows what the

558
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,060
outcome of that is, and I think
Bender, probably didn't realize

559
00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:19,350
that it would get as much flack
when he tweeted that. And, you

560
00:39:19,350 --> 00:39:22,860
know, so anyway, so I understand
him walking that back, because

561
00:39:22,860 --> 00:39:26,310
like, how do you show up to a
UFO festival a week after that

562
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:26,580
tweet?

563
00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:33,000
John Greenewald: Yeah, I don't
disagree there. But going more

564
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,540
broadly, I think then it's clear
that there are many more people

565
00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:39,480
other than Steven Green Street
and I'm not trying to minimize

566
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,020
you, but rather reinforce the
point that you're not alone,

567
00:39:43,230 --> 00:39:46,260
that there are a lot of people
that are starting to say here,

568
00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:49,980
again, X amount of years later
from October of 2017. When we

569
00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:53,970
all for the first time, learned
about Luis Elizondo, we have a

570
00:39:53,970 --> 00:39:57,480
lot of these questions that have
come along with him, not only

571
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,080
about his background within the
government I personally don't

572
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,680
care about his personal life. I
know that other people have dug

573
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,920
into it that I don't care about
that. What I care about are the

574
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,910
stories that he's come out with,
and said, This is what I've done

575
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,660
for the government. A tip is
this, this is what I've done, so

576
00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:19,470
on and so forth. And going back
to your episode, you have done

577
00:40:19,830 --> 00:40:24,330
an amazing amount of work. But
on top of that, and amazing job

578
00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:28,920
putting together a 44 plus
minute piece outlining all of

579
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:34,200
those contradicting statements
and elements. Why do you feel

580
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:37,620
that there are still a lot of
people that want to just ignore

581
00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:41,460
all that? Hey, we're getting,
we're getting UFO hearings next

582
00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:45,780
week? Who cares? Don't ask
questions. Let's sacrifice

583
00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:49,320
accuracy here. I mean, I even
saw one tweet to me directly.

584
00:40:49,590 --> 00:40:52,890
That said, they're not too
concerned about accuracy. We can

585
00:40:52,890 --> 00:40:56,550
deal with that later. We have
the hearing. I'm like, do you

586
00:40:56,550 --> 00:41:01,140
hear yourself? You don't care?
What is an illusion, a lie of

587
00:41:01,140 --> 00:41:07,140
fact, or fiction? You just care
about the the hearing? What are

588
00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:10,890
your thoughts on on on that
entire issue

589
00:41:10,890 --> 00:41:14,550
Steven Greenstreet: here? It's
religious, it's faith based,

590
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:19,740
it's faith on faith. They move
forward on faith, we wait for

591
00:41:19,740 --> 00:41:24,600
the next Domino. It is a
religion. It is a faith based

592
00:41:25,110 --> 00:41:30,240
organization. Because a flying
saucer currently isn't hovering

593
00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:34,320
outside above my garage. Jesus
Christ is also not outside

594
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,760
hovering over my garage. We
believe that what we hear and

595
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,090
what we read is true, it's
faith. So a lot of those

596
00:41:42,090 --> 00:41:46,500
responses are faith based. And
that's fine. You know, that's,

597
00:41:46,530 --> 00:41:49,860
that's fine. Believe what you
want to believe it's fun. It

598
00:41:49,860 --> 00:41:52,770
gives your life meaning. That's
what religion is all about.

599
00:41:52,770 --> 00:41:55,590
Again, like gives your life
meaning and this is what I am.

600
00:41:55,590 --> 00:42:00,840
And this is what I believe,
fine. The only issue I have is

601
00:42:01,380 --> 00:42:07,740
an issue anyone would have. If
if the Protestant church like

602
00:42:07,770 --> 00:42:16,110
started influencing Congress, or
politicians, the media, I would

603
00:42:16,110 --> 00:42:19,200
step in and go okay, well, wait
a minute here. Let's, what are

604
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,500
you saying? And what are the big
claims here? I'm fine with the

605
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:24,690
belief. Let them believe
whatever they want to believe,

606
00:42:24,690 --> 00:42:27,780
let them be excited, who cares?
I'm not out to change that

607
00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:31,290
person's mind. I just want to
report the facts to people who

608
00:42:31,290 --> 00:42:35,070
are on the fence or don't
necessarily want to be part of a

609
00:42:35,070 --> 00:42:39,720
new religion, you know, so, that
was kind of like, I mean, I used

610
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:46,470
to be part of an Orthodox 24/7
religion with Mormonism. And I

611
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:51,510
grew up Mormon and my experience
leaving Mormonism, eerily

612
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:57,180
uncannily similar to the last
year with me in UFOs, ask

613
00:42:57,180 --> 00:43:00,330
bringing up basic questions to
church leaders, you know, like,

614
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,990
Hey, so what about this document
about Joseph Smith and his fraud

615
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:08,940
case in 18? Whatever, and, and
the vitriol that I got for even

616
00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:13,110
asking the question, and the
hatred and the authorization,

617
00:43:13,350 --> 00:43:17,760
and it was very similar. And
then, you know, just and I said

618
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:24,030
this, just because the religion
is false, doesn't mean God

619
00:43:24,030 --> 00:43:28,410
doesn't exist. That's kind of
what I'm saying is this current

620
00:43:29,070 --> 00:43:34,530
movement is headed culturally
headed by in my opinion,

621
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:41,370
disingenuous, delusional,
narcissistic personalities. But

622
00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:45,120
that doesn't mean the phenomenon
is not real. I'm saying who is

623
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,290
your shepherd? Who is the
shepherd leading you across

624
00:43:49,290 --> 00:43:57,000
whatever Valley? And I'm saying,
that's the wrong path. It's all

625
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,610
there in black and white, the
story doesn't make sense. The

626
00:43:59,610 --> 00:44:04,110
facts don't add up. The key
players keep backtracking and

627
00:44:04,110 --> 00:44:07,590
for mixing and just changing
their story every other week.

628
00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:11,580
Come on, I mean, if we're about
data, and if we're about facts,

629
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,290
what are we doing?

630
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:18,210
John Greenewald: It Do you think
it's, it's, it's dangerous, or

631
00:44:18,210 --> 00:44:23,040
just a silly way for some of
these people to to operate and

632
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,040
and I'm more focused on those
that have viciously come after

633
00:44:26,310 --> 00:44:30,090
anybody that goes against the
shepherd that goes against their

634
00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:34,230
essentially, leader, I have used
the C word called many, many

635
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:38,790
times, I believe it's fitting in
this scenario. And I should

636
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:41,220
point out very quickly, you have
gotten an enormous amount of

637
00:44:41,220 --> 00:44:45,000
praise for this. So I don't want
to make it seem like oh my gosh,

638
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,060
you're just being attacked by
every corner. That's not even

639
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:52,680
close to being true. But rather,
you're experiencing something

640
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:59,190
where the one voice can outweigh
the compliments of 1000 and you

641
00:44:59,190 --> 00:45:03,510
multiply that one One voice by
1000 congregation members, you

642
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:06,570
know that are coming at you. So
is this something that's

643
00:45:06,570 --> 00:45:10,620
dangerous? Or do you just think
this is a social media thing?

644
00:45:11,340 --> 00:45:12,840
Steven Greenstreet: It's
potentially dangerous Look, when

645
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,250
you look at like the Q anon
movement, for example, there was

646
00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:20,700
that like pizza gate conspiracy
theory where like, a guy showed

647
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:25,650
up with a gun, and just started
shooting into this pizzeria

648
00:45:25,650 --> 00:45:28,110
because like Q and honors, were
saying that like, Satanists were

649
00:45:28,110 --> 00:45:30,900
in the basement or something
like that. So yeah, of course,

650
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:35,730
it's dangerous. Of course, it
could lead to dangerous and an

651
00:45:35,730 --> 00:45:40,710
organism and group belief groups
like this, do tend to attract

652
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:49,020
mentally ill, low IQ, fantasy
prone, angry people. That's just

653
00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:52,740
history. Yeah, that's just
normal thing that happens

654
00:45:52,740 --> 00:45:57,780
throughout history. And so while
not every Christian is going to

655
00:45:57,780 --> 00:46:04,560
go bomb an abortion clinic.
There are people attracted to

656
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,640
that kind of group setting that
validates their fantasy that

657
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,090
will react violently. So could
it be the answer is of course,

658
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:12,720
yes.

659
00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:16,680
John Greenewald: Obviously, I
want to stress it's not the

660
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,160
majority of people out there.
It's a small percentage, but it

661
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,730
to me, I've been concerned about
it for some time. I appreciate

662
00:46:23,730 --> 00:46:27,510
your thoughts on it. I've just
seen the rhetoric grow, to be

663
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:32,760
more warlike, you know, banding
together Band of Brothers call

664
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:38,250
to arms. We're in a war, we're
in a battle. I won't say some

665
00:46:38,250 --> 00:46:40,860
other exact quotes, because I'm
not trying to out anybody. But

666
00:46:40,860 --> 00:46:44,070
regardless, that rhetoric, I
hope people really kind of tone

667
00:46:44,070 --> 00:46:47,370
it down a little bit, because
there was a time where Q anon

668
00:46:47,370 --> 00:46:50,850
was never thought to show up on
the Capitol steps and storm

669
00:46:50,850 --> 00:46:55,740
inside. And look what happened.
So these these movements can

670
00:46:55,740 --> 00:46:58,980
grow. And it really is up to the
shepherds to speak out against

671
00:46:58,980 --> 00:47:02,190
it. And to be honest with you,
I'm not seeing the shepherds

672
00:47:02,220 --> 00:47:06,600
speak out against it. But that's
my gripe and maybe a different

673
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,820
show. And conversation. Yeah,

674
00:47:08,850 --> 00:47:15,870
Steven Greenstreet: there is a
Trumpian there's a weird thing

675
00:47:15,870 --> 00:47:20,700
happening right now with the
faces and leaders of this group.

676
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:28,860
It almost ageing on this growing
vitriol. Yeah. Because that

677
00:47:28,860 --> 00:47:36,210
growing vitriol is a wall that
they can hide behind. It's, you

678
00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:40,800
know, in instead of facing the
facts, and owning up to things

679
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,570
being transparent. They're being
sneaky and childish. And look,

680
00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:49,230
if this was any other topic
other than UFOs, it would be a

681
00:47:49,230 --> 00:47:53,310
my opinion, a much bigger deal.
But it's kind of a stupid thing.

682
00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:56,550
It's kind of a stupid topic
about stupid things, and people

683
00:47:56,550 --> 00:48:01,860
choosing stupid battles with
where the end the end prize is

684
00:48:01,860 --> 00:48:08,160
also something stupid. Like, no
one's I don't see any win here.

685
00:48:08,190 --> 00:48:13,410
Any big win with whatever silly
battles being fought. Right now,

686
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,130
you know, in.

687
00:48:14,940 --> 00:48:17,430
John Greenewald: Right, but, but
they're, but they're stressing

688
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:20,760
that rhetoric nonetheless. And
in my opinion, it's growing. And

689
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,020
then that's to where, where are
they? And again, I feel it may

690
00:48:25,020 --> 00:48:28,320
be a different conversation. But
where I worry that there is that

691
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,560
very, very, very, very small
percentage of people that will

692
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,980
put themself in a position where
they feel that they've won. And

693
00:48:34,980 --> 00:48:38,820
you see that type of talk
online. And it for me, it sheds

694
00:48:38,820 --> 00:48:42,480
a different light on somebody
that is going on. I mean, this

695
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,360
has been talked about here in
the last four to six weeks or so

696
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,950
about Sockpuppet accounts. And
Luis Elizondo himself admitting

697
00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:52,920
that this is what he does. He
collects intelligence when he

698
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,730
was asked and confronted with
that question. So how many

699
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,300
identities are we dealing with,
and I'm obviously getting away

700
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:03,180
from the danger part, but rather
the sneaky part that you just

701
00:49:03,180 --> 00:49:06,330
referenced, that that that
there's something that I want to

702
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:10,020
point out very quickly, that
undermine name or excuse me

703
00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:13,170
under my picture here, as those
who are watching on YouTube is

704
00:49:13,170 --> 00:49:17,400
my real name under your face
here on YouTube is your real

705
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,830
name. We don't hide behind silly
you know, acronyms and this and

706
00:49:22,830 --> 00:49:24,930
that and we put ourselves out
there and go, This is what we

707
00:49:24,930 --> 00:49:29,190
believe. But that that that
Shepherd, so to speak, the

708
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:33,270
leader of of that movement that
is coming out after people like

709
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:37,740
us, has openly admitted that
he's collecting Intel through

710
00:49:37,740 --> 00:49:42,660
alternate identities. That
should be more disturbing than

711
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,890
people want it to be. But it but
it is, as my dog's getting in on

712
00:49:46,890 --> 00:49:49,800
the show here. But I don't know
what your thoughts are. We don't

713
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,230
have to talk about it. But I
wanted to throw that out there

714
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:56,220
that this has become an issue,
and it is not getting better.

715
00:49:56,550 --> 00:50:02,010
Steven Greenstreet: Yeah. Yeah.
It's a Finish. Look if this was

716
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:07,110
if the topic if an ex Pentagon
official was doing this to

717
00:50:07,110 --> 00:50:11,130
garner support for the war in
the in Ukraine, if it was

718
00:50:11,130 --> 00:50:13,710
revealed that an ex Pentagon
official had sock puppets

719
00:50:13,710 --> 00:50:17,910
accounts, and he was influencing
people to bolster support for US

720
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:23,100
military presence in in the
Ukraine, holy crap, would that

721
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:30,210
be huge Right? Or pick any other
actually important social issue?

722
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:34,230
Any of them? If this was
revealed on that level? Big, but

723
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:42,840
it's so silly that it's like
about UFOs but not even just you

724
00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:50,970
about UFOs. But to protect this
guy's lie that he ran a pentagon

725
00:50:50,970 --> 00:50:55,260
UFO program, that's what we're
talking about. It's so low on

726
00:50:55,260 --> 00:50:58,620
the things that are actually
important in life. That it's,

727
00:50:59,250 --> 00:51:02,190
it's, it's that's why I was
laughing just a second ago. It's

728
00:51:02,190 --> 00:51:08,250
almost laughable. And how
pathetic it is. Yeah. Fat thick.

729
00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:13,740
It's so bizarre and pathetic.
And you know, look at the CNN

730
00:51:13,740 --> 00:51:18,030
the other day. This is
fascinating, right? We're you

731
00:51:18,030 --> 00:51:22,110
me, a UFO, Twitter. We're all in
this little bubble. And so many

732
00:51:22,110 --> 00:51:25,230
people stay in that bubble. They
just live there. And they

733
00:51:25,230 --> 00:51:28,350
inspect zoom, they just think
that's their that's reality.

734
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,650
Right? But outside of that
bubble, is this the real world?

735
00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:36,030
And you know, CNN tweeted the
other day about Congress holding

736
00:51:36,030 --> 00:51:39,900
hearings about UFOs. And they
got ratioed. If you look at like

737
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:43,410
the comment responses from
people in the real world, they

738
00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:47,520
were like, the Supreme Court is
like nixing abortion rights for

739
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,660
women. And this is what Congress
is doing. WTF Congress, what

740
00:51:51,660 --> 00:51:54,510
kind of wackos in Congress are,
this is a real issue. We have a

741
00:51:54,510 --> 00:51:58,620
war going on. We have taxpayer
money going to that war. I mean,

742
00:51:58,620 --> 00:52:01,830
it was just like the real world
and introduction to what's

743
00:52:01,830 --> 00:52:04,920
really happening in the real
world about important things.

744
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:10,740
That's, that's what the rest of
the world thinks of this UFO

745
00:52:10,740 --> 00:52:13,470
Twitter thing and this UFO
thing, the majority of the

746
00:52:13,470 --> 00:52:17,550
people are just rolling their
eyes and the shepherds are not

747
00:52:17,550 --> 00:52:23,700
helping change that at all. You
know, it's like it's not

748
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:28,500
legitimizing it. Chem, not being
about it. It's not legitimizing

749
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:31,740
it. Lou Elizondo talking about
it, it's not legitimizing it.

750
00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:36,000
Chris Mellon is not legitimizing
and de stigmatizing this at all,

751
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,670
despite what people in the
bubble think the real world

752
00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:39,900
still isn't convinced.

753
00:52:40,410 --> 00:52:43,410
John Greenewald: I would only
respectfully say that I believe,

754
00:52:43,590 --> 00:52:47,160
for quite some time from the
beginning on I don't know what

755
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:52,140
the turning point was. They were
but with the caveat that we

756
00:52:52,140 --> 00:52:56,700
learned later, we weren't being
told the whole truth. Right. And

757
00:52:56,730 --> 00:53:00,210
and that's one thing in your
video that I think you really

758
00:53:00,570 --> 00:53:05,760
show that not only is the media
inept when reporting about this,

759
00:53:06,090 --> 00:53:10,170
but one thing that and I see the
normal characters always

760
00:53:10,170 --> 00:53:13,320
responding to this, but right
back to the beginning with the

761
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,550
name discrepancy, that although
you know, Lou Elizondo was

762
00:53:17,550 --> 00:53:20,820
right, it was aviation, or
excuse me, aerospace versus

763
00:53:20,820 --> 00:53:25,500
aviation, what you're showing
is, it was probably neither, and

764
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:28,560
it wasn't really even a program
at all, but rather just a

765
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,380
nickname, and so on. And I think
you do a really good job doing

766
00:53:31,380 --> 00:53:35,460
that. And again, we don't have
to go over it over it here. But

767
00:53:35,460 --> 00:53:43,830
I think that really showed the
first indicator that there was a

768
00:53:43,830 --> 00:53:48,570
problem that this wasn't as
reported. And even though you

769
00:53:48,570 --> 00:53:53,130
know, I get I get still, three
plus years later for posing

770
00:53:53,130 --> 00:53:57,000
those questions. I don't care. I
don't have a single regret. It

771
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,900
does not matter who was right or
wrong, but rather I knew at that

772
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:04,770
point, that there was something
to this why was the Pentagon

773
00:54:04,770 --> 00:54:08,760
wrong? that intrigued me more?
You know, why? Why was there

774
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,490
such misinformation about this?
Go ahead.

775
00:54:12,660 --> 00:54:15,150
Steven Greenstreet: Good stuff.
This is great stuff. And, uh,

776
00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:19,500
let me start by saying, everyone
go back and read Brian benders

777
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:23,790
December 16 2017 politico
article, it's, it's awesome.

778
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:29,070
It's awesome. Compared to the
Keene piece, the Kane piece, the

779
00:54:29,070 --> 00:54:32,010
Leslie Kane piece, it's awesome.
There's some great stuff in

780
00:54:32,010 --> 00:54:35,820
there. I think people forgot
about now. I think what happened

781
00:54:36,060 --> 00:54:41,520
is the Pentagon themselves is
confused. Because you know, it's

782
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,150
established, they're in on the
record, look at Ski excetera

783
00:54:45,180 --> 00:54:50,070
read. They were hiding this. We
don't want everyone in the

784
00:54:50,070 --> 00:54:54,330
Pentagon to know what the hell
we're doing. You know, they say

785
00:54:54,330 --> 00:54:57,570
this like we, you know, like
Caskey says people in my own

786
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:02,250
office right around me they had
no idea I was running Skinwalker

787
00:55:02,250 --> 00:55:07,440
Ranch and, you know, read, they
were worried it was going to

788
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,320
come to light, they right read
writes this letter saying, hey,

789
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,800
let's take this program, special
access, which would limit it,

790
00:55:13,950 --> 00:55:17,760
how many people have had access?
And it actually says right there

791
00:55:17,790 --> 00:55:21,630
on his letter, nickname, The
nickname for the program. He

792
00:55:21,630 --> 00:55:25,950
says it right there a tip. And
this was the and then that

793
00:55:25,950 --> 00:55:30,150
letter was, according to those
on the inside leaked, the letter

794
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:33,330
was spread everywhere. So now
everyone that doesn't know about

795
00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:36,210
this program was suddenly
reading about this program, nick

796
00:55:36,210 --> 00:55:41,370
named a Tim. But this isn't an
official document now. Right?

797
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,750
And so they're going to write a
summary of this meeting. So let

798
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:48,750
me write a summary of this
meeting. Senator Reid came in to

799
00:55:48,750 --> 00:55:52,830
talk about a tip blah, blah,
blah. And suddenly all SAP is

800
00:55:52,830 --> 00:55:56,190
not mentioned. All SAP, isn't
that suddenly not mentioned at

801
00:55:56,190 --> 00:55:58,560
all? It's just, they're just
basically just we're

802
00:55:59,010 --> 00:56:02,040
regurgitating what Reid says in
the letter, a tip is suddenly

803
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,340
created that point. And so I
think the Pentagon that was the

804
00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:08,070
first time they a lot in the
Pentagon had even heard of this

805
00:56:08,070 --> 00:56:11,760
program, too. And according to
some it was a tip.

806
00:56:12,299 --> 00:56:14,999
John Greenewald: So let me ask
you, though, aside from the ASA

807
00:56:15,089 --> 00:56:20,429
OS app, a two part of this, the
story as you just brought up

808
00:56:20,459 --> 00:56:25,229
from those that are telling this
from the inside, say that that

809
00:56:25,259 --> 00:56:28,619
that letter circulates, and
people go, Oh my gosh, we can

810
00:56:28,619 --> 00:56:32,819
have this program, and that
killed it. What in that Harry

811
00:56:32,819 --> 00:56:36,659
Reid letter would tip anybody
off? That there was anything to

812
00:56:36,659 --> 00:56:39,029
do with UFOs or the paranormal?

813
00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:43,739
Steven Greenstreet: Well, it's
not the letter. It's from what I

814
00:56:43,739 --> 00:56:50,009
understand is there were a few
who knew what it was. I mean, if

815
00:56:50,009 --> 00:56:55,259
you believe, like katzie
Kelleher and nap and read stamp

816
00:56:55,259 --> 00:56:59,879
of approval, William Lynn, who
the letters addressed to got the

817
00:56:59,879 --> 00:57:03,299
letter went into the meeting
going is this about those damn

818
00:57:03,299 --> 00:57:07,439
flying saucers? That's a direct
quote from from the book. So

819
00:57:07,439 --> 00:57:11,819
obviously, he had some kind of
rumor idea about what these guys

820
00:57:11,819 --> 00:57:16,229
were up to. But also, there was
a process, all right, you can't

821
00:57:16,229 --> 00:57:21,179
just get a sap. You can't just
hey, can I have a sap? Yeah, no

822
00:57:21,179 --> 00:57:23,879
problem. Here you go. But you
can't just do that you have to

823
00:57:23,879 --> 00:57:28,889
go through a process a back and
forth and analysis of a program.

824
00:57:28,889 --> 00:57:34,469
What is it all? And remember, at
this point, at this point, they

825
00:57:34,469 --> 00:57:38,609
had been set per bass and Perla
Caskey been sending the

826
00:57:38,609 --> 00:57:42,899
Pentagon? Some pretty crazy
reports, some pretty nutty

827
00:57:42,899 --> 00:57:47,459
stuff, you know, like Skinwalker
Ranch, you know, like, there's

828
00:57:47,459 --> 00:57:52,199
a, you know, there was like,
hundreds of pages about a

829
00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:57,239
haunted house in Indiana. You
know, this is per bass and per

830
00:57:57,239 --> 00:58:01,319
the sources. And so the Pentagon
is getting this stuff in, you

831
00:58:01,319 --> 00:58:03,509
know, reviewing and seeing this
stuff,

832
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,810
John Greenewald: do you? I'm
running out of time, and there

833
00:58:06,810 --> 00:58:09,510
is something I want to cover
with you. But really quickly, do

834
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:13,830
you really think that those
reports went to quote unquote,

835
00:58:13,860 --> 00:58:18,840
the Pentagon or just McCaskey?
And the second part of that is

836
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:23,940
if you do believe that the
select few outside of James

837
00:58:23,940 --> 00:58:28,530
McCaskey his office saw this,
then then the allegation, nobody

838
00:58:28,530 --> 00:58:31,770
deals with this, then the
allegation has to become that

839
00:58:31,770 --> 00:58:36,810
the Defense Intelligence Agency,
as a arm of the intelligence

840
00:58:36,810 --> 00:58:41,040
community in the military, went
to Senator John McCain and lied.

841
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:44,160
Now I know that a lot of people
go well, they always lie. So who

842
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,430
really cares? Now, when you lie
to a senator asking about a

843
00:58:47,550 --> 00:58:52,710
primarily unclassified program?
And you completely omit all of

844
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:57,060
that stuff and leave a senator
in the dark? What are your

845
00:58:57,060 --> 00:58:59,100
thoughts on that? Because Don't
you have to have that

846
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:00,090
conversation then?

847
00:59:00,870 --> 00:59:03,510
Steven Greenstreet: Okay, yeah.
So let me start with that first,

848
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:07,440
and then I'll go back. So I,
again, and this is just my

849
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:14,160
opinion, is I don't think it was
a lie. Like I. When you follow

850
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,510
the breadcrumbs, and you follow
the puzzle pieces as they occur

851
00:59:18,540 --> 00:59:23,910
throughout the last decade,
plus, you see how the DIA and

852
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:29,820
how the Pentagon could seriously
not know about all this other

853
00:59:29,820 --> 00:59:33,270
crazy stuff Skinwalker the ins
and outs of the werewolves, it's

854
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:38,940
very possible. Not everyone was
told in the actual offset

855
00:59:38,940 --> 00:59:43,530
contract, which you can look at.
It asks for the dirts

856
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,410
essentially, these technical
reports now it doesn't

857
00:59:46,410 --> 00:59:50,250
specifically ask for the ones
that were turned in. But those

858
00:59:50,250 --> 00:59:52,530
were the ones that were asked
for. We're paying you to produce

859
00:59:52,530 --> 00:59:57,780
this you sent us that that's all
we're going with. So I could see

860
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:03,060
how years later the DIA could go
through their paper and go, Oh,

861
01:00:03,060 --> 01:00:06,390
here's a thing called a tip. Oh,
yeah. Harry Reid a tip. Yep,

862
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:09,810
this is it. And here are the
reports that were released. And

863
01:00:09,810 --> 01:00:13,800
just going with what they had
the information they had there,

864
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,370
it's very clear that information
was withheld. And that was

865
01:00:17,370 --> 01:00:21,480
somewhere along that line. Key
information with was withheld.

866
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:27,000
And I have learned to pull back
on the gas on late the Pentagon,

867
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,120
I used to be a big Pentagon
blamer and something's up and

868
01:00:30,330 --> 01:00:34,920
Susan Goff is up to no good and,
you know, these, they're in on

869
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,320
it and stuff. And now I'm just
realizing, I'm like, Well, wait

870
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,620
a minute, what if? What if they
just didn't know? Like, I mean,

871
01:00:40,620 --> 01:00:43,950
the Caskey is admitting it that
he was not telling. And he was

872
01:00:43,950 --> 01:00:47,610
hiding it from them. So that's a
possibility. So you know, maybe

873
01:00:47,610 --> 01:00:53,010
there also is confused about all
this. Now, I will say that the

874
01:00:53,010 --> 01:00:57,450
official dia documents that were
released via FOIA recently

875
01:00:57,900 --> 01:01:02,820
acknowledged in black and white
receipt of some of those non

876
01:01:02,820 --> 01:01:05,880
direct reports. I mean, it says,
we don't know who prepared that

877
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:10,620
document, I assume look at Ski.
But you know, monthly reports,

878
01:01:10,860 --> 01:01:15,120
come comprehensive reports, we
receive this and we're asking

879
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,300
for more. And then when you look
at skinwalkers Oh, the monthly

880
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:21,900
report about Skinwalker
Skinwalker. spooky stuff, you

881
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:26,550
know, so it's, the DIA has
documents saying that someone

882
01:01:26,580 --> 01:01:27,480
got those?

883
01:01:27,570 --> 01:01:29,730
John Greenewald: Yeah. And
further, I want to continue that

884
01:01:29,730 --> 01:01:31,590
part of the conversation, but
I'm running out of time with

885
01:01:31,590 --> 01:01:33,750
you. And I want to get to
something very quickly. For

886
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:36,510
those who are wondering, I have
an open appeal for exactly what

887
01:01:36,510 --> 01:01:40,320
Steven just said, and trying to
get the DIA to go on the record

888
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,040
on what else if anything on OS
app that they are planning to

889
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,610
release. But regardless, I am
fighting on an appeal process to

890
01:01:47,610 --> 01:01:51,270
try and get those those very
reports. So I don't dismiss it

891
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:55,260
as much as some people think
that I do. I go regardless of of

892
01:01:55,260 --> 01:01:58,620
my personal thoughts. But in the
last couple of minutes that I

893
01:01:58,620 --> 01:02:04,320
have with you, Steven next week.
Is the UFO hearing. Very

894
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,980
quickly, do you support those
types of hearings?

895
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:12,960
Steven Greenstreet: Yeah, sure.
That's great. Look,

896
01:02:12,990 --> 01:02:14,760
John Greenewald: I wasn't
convincing. Like,

897
01:02:15,030 --> 01:02:18,270
Steven Greenstreet: look, I've
said it for awhile. I think, at

898
01:02:18,270 --> 01:02:22,590
the end of the day, one of the
silver linings of all of this is

899
01:02:22,590 --> 01:02:27,660
I think a real problem might
accidentally be addressed. We

900
01:02:27,660 --> 01:02:30,720
have a airspace awareness
problem, we have an airspace

901
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:35,670
safety problem, we possibly have
a national security issue with

902
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:38,940
foreign agents flying over
infrastructure in the United

903
01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:43,200
States, all real problems. And I
think this whole UFO flap and

904
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,310
this whole UFO thing might
accidentally address some of

905
01:02:47,310 --> 01:02:50,850
those problems. You know, so if
there's hearings about

906
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:55,170
unidentified flying objects over
critical infrastructure, near

907
01:02:55,170 --> 01:02:59,460
misses with commercial airlines,
hell, yeah. Let's, let's do

908
01:02:59,460 --> 01:03:03,420
that. I just hope that they're
not dumping most of their time

909
01:03:03,420 --> 01:03:06,900
and resources into looking for
spooky stuff, because then

910
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:10,230
that's just all SAP all over
again. You know, it was like,

911
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:13,620
we're making the same mistake
again. It's cyclical, man. I

912
01:03:13,620 --> 01:03:16,590
mean, you know, this more than
anyone like, back in history,

913
01:03:16,740 --> 01:03:20,790
this is all a cycle, Blue Book
and condemnor a report and then

914
01:03:20,790 --> 01:03:22,260
start over and it's this

915
01:03:22,260 --> 01:03:24,720
John Greenewald: is playing out
very identically to the mid to

916
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,840
late 60s, there's, there's no,
there's no doubt about that. But

917
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,480
I want to take you back to the
analogy that you were using with

918
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,970
religion, that even though you
question certain I'm

919
01:03:32,970 --> 01:03:35,040
paraphrasing here, but you
question certain aspects of

920
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:39,000
religion doesn't necessarily
mean that God doesn't exist. So

921
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,800
translating that to today, the
Stephen Green Street that we all

922
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:49,410
know, know and love here. Do you
believe the phenomena, these

923
01:03:49,410 --> 01:03:53,310
phenomena or phenomenon, if you
only think there's one aspect is

924
01:03:53,700 --> 01:03:58,500
explainable, given proper
evidence, and it's all earth

925
01:03:58,500 --> 01:04:04,290
based? Either drones, technology
classified arena material, stuff

926
01:04:04,290 --> 01:04:09,090
like that? Or do you believe
there's a chance that we are

927
01:04:09,090 --> 01:04:12,900
dealing with an extraterrestrial
connection to some of this?

928
01:04:12,990 --> 01:04:18,540
Steven Greenstreet: Yeah, I I
think there are real UFO cases

929
01:04:18,540 --> 01:04:23,040
that are real UFO cases that
defy logic and explanation.

930
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:29,250
There's no doubt and I have
privately talked to people who I

931
01:04:30,060 --> 01:04:37,890
really respect who have had
really weird stuff happen. So it

932
01:04:37,890 --> 01:04:43,470
the possibilities there. I don't
think it's a political issue. I

933
01:04:44,070 --> 01:04:49,230
mean, I would start personal
issue. It's personal. There's

934
01:04:49,230 --> 01:04:55,170
something if it's real, it's
something personal, and if it's

935
01:04:55,170 --> 01:05:00,810
beyond that, it's something
scientific. I just We shouldn't

936
01:05:00,810 --> 01:05:06,180
be lobbying Congress, while like
the fairweather politicians, we

937
01:05:06,180 --> 01:05:09,840
should be lobbying like,
National Institute of Science

938
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,950
and some of the biggest science
in you know, conglomerates in

939
01:05:13,950 --> 01:05:19,680
the in the world. And so yeah, I
do believe something's there. I

940
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,740
don't know what the heck it
could be. Maybe it's

941
01:05:22,740 --> 01:05:26,250
explainable. I've heard some
weird stuff. I saw a weird thing

942
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:32,400
myself. I saw a weird UFO myself
that I can't explain. Even

943
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:37,440
though there it had some prosaic
qualities. I still can't explain

944
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,310
it. Was this the recent one that
you had posted? And I had? No,

945
01:05:41,550 --> 01:05:43,500
no, that one was just cool. And
then

946
01:05:43,529 --> 01:05:45,659
John Greenewald: you can't lay
this on me when I'm out of time.

947
01:05:45,659 --> 01:05:47,699
Steven did an episode on

948
01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:51,270
Steven Greenstreet: this. I saw
my, my big triangle. There's an

949
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:54,600
episode a long time ago in the
basement office, season one,

950
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:59,790
episode four, I go into my UFO
sighting with Nick Pope. Okay.

951
01:06:00,330 --> 01:06:03,930
And yeah, I can't look, the only
thing about that that was

952
01:06:03,930 --> 01:06:09,660
extremely creepy was the it
looked like two sticks, Black

953
01:06:09,660 --> 01:06:13,470
Sticks stuck together like that
there was no back or body just

954
01:06:13,470 --> 01:06:16,650
two sticks, blue lights, and no
sound flying through the air

955
01:06:16,650 --> 01:06:22,020
like that. And no sound. That
was the creepy thing. It could

956
01:06:22,020 --> 01:06:24,390
have been a balloon, but the
wind was blowing this way. And

957
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:29,550
it was flying this way. And a
straight line. So that the

958
01:06:29,550 --> 01:06:33,660
feeling I had when I saw that
was unique. It was you know that

959
01:06:33,660 --> 01:06:36,330
cold? Kind of like, Whoa, what
is this?

960
01:06:36,510 --> 01:06:39,120
John Greenewald: Like a Phoenix
lights type of arrangement? Or,

961
01:06:39,420 --> 01:06:43,530
Steven Greenstreet: like a
Phoenix lights? way smaller than

962
01:06:43,530 --> 01:06:49,260
the proclaimed Phoenix lights?
Object? Yeah, very similar.

963
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,690
John Greenewald: I'll have to
I'll link it in the show notes

964
01:06:51,690 --> 01:06:55,230
too, because I don't recall that
part of the or that episode,

965
01:06:55,260 --> 01:06:57,720
episode four. So I'll make sure
that that's in the show notes.

966
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:02,490
Is that your only experience?
UFO wise, because I know that

967
01:07:02,490 --> 01:07:04,500
you had another one recently.
That's what I thought you were

968
01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:08,640
referring to where you felt that
it was a certain type of drone.

969
01:07:10,110 --> 01:07:14,010
But, and the reason why I like
to dig into stuff like this is

970
01:07:14,010 --> 01:07:17,340
obviously there is this aura
that you just think everything

971
01:07:17,340 --> 01:07:19,830
is a drone, and I personally
don't think that's how you

972
01:07:19,830 --> 01:07:24,120
think. But that's why I always
kind of dig a little bit and

973
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:24,900
stuff like this.

974
01:07:25,050 --> 01:07:28,080
Steven Greenstreet: Another
admission. Another confession is

975
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:32,880
a lot of folks who are into this
topic or who get into this

976
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:37,590
topic, have a history of already
being into this topic, some kind

977
01:07:37,590 --> 01:07:42,480
of history. That was me. You
know, when I was a kid, I was I,

978
01:07:43,110 --> 01:07:47,400
when I was 12, I got crashed at
Corona by Stan Freeman from the

979
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,550
library and read it all I read
but Hopkins abduction books,

980
01:07:50,580 --> 01:07:55,200
intruders like this when I'm
like early teens, and I was

981
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,840
always into sci fi and things
when I grew up and became an

982
01:07:57,900 --> 01:08:01,470
adult, I left most of that in my
childhood. And it really wasn't

983
01:08:01,470 --> 01:08:05,490
until December, really in
December 2017 where I was like,

984
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:09,870
Okay, I guess my childhood is
back, you know, I'm going to get

985
01:08:09,870 --> 01:08:16,950
into this. But at the beginning
of all of this with me is a

986
01:08:17,010 --> 01:08:22,890
experience that, I think was a
dream, which I I've only told a

987
01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:29,190
few people in my whole life,
this experience. And I really

988
01:08:29,190 --> 01:08:34,800
mean I've only told a few
people. So, again, prefacing

989
01:08:34,830 --> 01:08:39,090
with it that it was a dream,
though a vivid one. I'm five

990
01:08:39,090 --> 01:08:45,090
years old, five, or maybe five
or six years old. And I'm in

991
01:08:45,090 --> 01:08:49,770
South Carolina, in a home in
South Carolina. The vision or

992
01:08:49,770 --> 01:08:54,090
dream or memory starts like
this. I'm standing in the

993
01:08:54,090 --> 01:08:58,080
doorway of my bedroom which I
shared with my brother, I'm

994
01:08:58,380 --> 01:09:02,640
facing into the door into the
bedroom, I can't move. I'm

995
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:06,870
paralyzed. I'm standing there
and I can't move. My brother is

996
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:12,060
in bed screaming a bright white
light is coming through the

997
01:09:12,060 --> 01:09:18,990
window. I hear a hum and this is
all being interpreted as in my

998
01:09:18,990 --> 01:09:22,020
five year old brain so I thought
it was a fan because my parents

999
01:09:22,020 --> 01:09:26,610
used to run fans is white noise
so my interpretation was like I

1000
01:09:26,610 --> 01:09:30,870
heard this hum and a white light
and then a ghost came out of the

1001
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:36,810
closet and took my brother out
the window and then and then I

1002
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:41,310
and then that's the like that's
the end of the vision. And it

1003
01:09:41,310 --> 01:09:45,420
was a goat in so in my five year
old brain it was a ghost because

1004
01:09:45,480 --> 01:09:48,360
I it was the Disney ghosts
because it had this big white

1005
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:52,020
head with big black eyes. And so
my five year old brain at that

1006
01:09:52,020 --> 01:09:56,610
point interpreted it as this
like ghost and it was weird

1007
01:09:56,610 --> 01:10:02,250
later on in as I would grew up
memory with a dream with stay

1008
01:10:02,250 --> 01:10:05,640
there. And I think I saw someone
that Close Encounters of the

1009
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,670
Third Kind on. And when they
show the aliens in the movie, I

1010
01:10:08,670 --> 01:10:14,340
was like, that's the ghost.
That's the ghost I saw. You

1011
01:10:14,340 --> 01:10:19,020
know, like, I my little child
brain had never seen a great you

1012
01:10:19,020 --> 01:10:22,110
know, this, these gray aliens
are like these these things

1013
01:10:22,110 --> 01:10:25,260
before. So I had no connection.
I interpreted it as this ghost,

1014
01:10:25,260 --> 01:10:27,570
but I remember close encounters.
So it was while I was like,

1015
01:10:27,570 --> 01:10:31,650
that's a ghost I saw. That's the
ghost I saw. Take my brother out

1016
01:10:31,650 --> 01:10:37,530
a window. Now. No, that was five
at the time. So I could have had

1017
01:10:37,530 --> 01:10:40,080
just like some kind of waking
nightmare. Or there could have

1018
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,290
been a sci fi movie on that my
older siblings were watching

1019
01:10:43,290 --> 01:10:48,060
that scared me. And it was like,
somewhere in my head. And but I

1020
01:10:48,060 --> 01:10:51,360
can't remember any other dream
that I had when I was five years

1021
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,270
old that vividly. I don't think
anyone can, but I can still

1022
01:10:54,270 --> 01:10:56,160
remember this. You know?

1023
01:10:56,580 --> 01:10:58,830
John Greenewald: Have you ever
done? Yeah, I can't think of any

1024
01:10:58,830 --> 01:11:01,020
that I've ever had. Have you
ever asked your brother?

1025
01:11:02,010 --> 01:11:04,920
Steven Greenstreet: Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I've asked about it. In

1026
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,800
fact, weirdly, yeah. And we just
like laugh about it.

1027
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,510
John Greenewald: So he, I'm sure
a lot of people are asking, did

1028
01:11:12,510 --> 01:11:16,200
he? Like Does he ever have a
dream like that? Or remember

1029
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:17,490
anything? Okay, nothing.

1030
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:19,950
Steven Greenstreet: Nothing. And
you know, I you know, when you

1031
01:11:19,950 --> 01:11:23,490
research suppose that abductions
there are a repeater with so

1032
01:11:23,490 --> 01:11:28,830
called repeaters where it's not
just like one time usually it's

1033
01:11:28,830 --> 01:11:33,840
usually like, more than once.
But like, No, I never had

1034
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,540
anything like that ever again.
Nothing. You know, I talked to

1035
01:11:36,540 --> 01:11:39,060
my brother about it was like, Do
you were you abducted by aliens

1036
01:11:39,060 --> 01:11:41,580
have any memories? And it wasn't
like joking. I was like, you

1037
01:11:41,580 --> 01:11:43,920
know, ask him it's like,
obviously not. You know that.

1038
01:11:43,950 --> 01:11:48,390
That didn't happen. One weird
thing, though. And this is still

1039
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:55,170
somewhere in my brain is. I
remember weirdly, that after

1040
01:11:55,170 --> 01:11:58,680
that experience, when I was a
kid, I had this distinct

1041
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:02,490
impression that my brother
wasn't my brother. I was like,

1042
01:12:02,670 --> 01:12:05,340
you know, it was it was like, in
the weeks and months after that.

1043
01:12:05,340 --> 01:12:08,880
I was like, Dude, I saw you I
saw you get taken out a window.

1044
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:14,340
Who are you? Like you it was
this kind of like Kid mentality

1045
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,280
where I was trying to? I was
trying to connect, like, how is

1046
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,880
it possible that I saw you get
scooped up out a window in yet?

1047
01:12:21,060 --> 01:12:25,500
The next morning, you're here.
And so as a kid, I remember a

1048
01:12:25,500 --> 01:12:29,820
little kid. I'm a little kid at
this point. The feeling? I don't

1049
01:12:29,820 --> 01:12:33,000
remember the specific memories.
But I remember the feeling of

1050
01:12:33,450 --> 01:12:37,230
like, how was he here when I saw
him go? And that kind of thing.

1051
01:12:37,950 --> 01:12:39,930
John Greenewald: I really
appreciate you sharing that.

1052
01:12:39,930 --> 01:12:42,060
This is my last question,
because I've already blown past

1053
01:12:42,060 --> 01:12:45,300
the timeframe that you gave me.
So thank you for being gracious

1054
01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:48,000
with your time. How convinced
Are you that was a dream?

1055
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,780
Steven Greenstreet: really
convinced?

1056
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,300
John Greenewald: Oh, so 100%?
You just feel it was cool dream?

1057
01:12:55,410 --> 01:12:58,140
Yeah, well, I don't cool. But
you know what I mean,

1058
01:12:58,260 --> 01:13:00,420
Steven Greenstreet: but also,
you know, you have to consider

1059
01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:07,410
that memory is malleable. And
the way I remembered it 20 years

1060
01:13:07,410 --> 01:13:10,950
ago, could be different than the
way I remember it now. And I

1061
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:14,640
just think this is fresh. And
this is new, it could have

1062
01:13:15,180 --> 01:13:19,140
morphed. I've told the story.
And as you tell stories, little

1063
01:13:19,140 --> 01:13:23,580
details drop in and little
things happen and evolve and

1064
01:13:23,580 --> 01:13:29,010
embellish. So I'm open to the
fact that maybe the original

1065
01:13:29,010 --> 01:13:32,640
memory or dream that I had, when
I was five was totally

1066
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:37,590
different. And my brain is just
interpreting a memory is just

1067
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:40,500
remembering the last time you
remembered it, that scientists

1068
01:13:40,500 --> 01:13:43,440
have shown that a memory is just
remembering the last time you

1069
01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:47,370
remembered it. It's not going
all the way back to your five.

1070
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,040
It's just the last time you
remembered it. And so yeah, it

1071
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:54,840
could have changed. But I'm 100%
Sure.

1072
01:13:56,610 --> 01:13:58,080
John Greenewald: All right,
that's good enough for me, man.

1073
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,570
Hey, again, thank you for
sharing that. I really do

1074
01:14:00,570 --> 01:14:04,020
appreciate it. And overall,
thank you for the work you did.

1075
01:14:04,050 --> 01:14:09,270
I really appreciate you digging
in to the part where you felt

1076
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:12,090
that you were on the inside but
realized, hey, you know what,

1077
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,360
this isn't right. And I commend
you for that. And I know you and

1078
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,900
I will not agree on 100% of
everything. But at the end of

1079
01:14:18,900 --> 01:14:22,260
the day, we have $100 Bet on at
least one debate that we're

1080
01:14:22,260 --> 01:14:25,980
having. So I look forward to
figuring out who's going to win

1081
01:14:25,980 --> 01:14:30,060
that $100 debate and I hope more
people do that in the debate

1082
01:14:30,060 --> 01:14:34,080
sphere. Yeah, no, no reason to
sling mud. Just put your money

1083
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:40,950
where your mouth is. And I have
$100 Bet on hopefully what is

1084
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:45,180
underneath those shapes in the
classified UAP report. So I'm

1085
01:14:45,180 --> 01:14:48,660
trying hard to prove that for
nothing else other than that 100

1086
01:14:48,660 --> 01:14:52,920
spot that you're about to pay me
so. But honestly man, I blew

1087
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:57,330
over my time. Thank you so much
for your time and your work. I

1088
01:14:57,330 --> 01:15:01,530
hope everybody takes some time
to watch your video, you put an

1089
01:15:01,530 --> 01:15:05,130
enormous amount of work in that
and it shows not only the

1090
01:15:05,130 --> 01:15:08,760
research, but the editing as
well. Well done. And it's hard

1091
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,550
for me to say stuff like that.
Thanks, man. I appreciate it.

1092
01:15:11,850 --> 01:15:14,760
Yeah. And thank you all for
listening and watching. Please

1093
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,250
help the show. If you're
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1094
01:15:17,250 --> 01:15:19,380
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1095
01:15:19,380 --> 01:15:23,310
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1096
01:15:23,580 --> 01:15:27,060
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on. Make sure you sit and stick

1097
01:15:27,090 --> 01:15:30,840
a review on there it helps as
well. Thank you so much, Steven.

1098
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,150
Thank you all for listening and
watching. This is John

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01:15:33,150 --> 01:15:35,580
Greenewald, Jr signing off, and
we'll see you next time.