1 00:00:23,670 --> 00:00:25,470 John Greenewald: Hey everybody, John Greenewald, here with the 2 00:00:25,470 --> 00:00:29,280 black vault.com. As always, thank you so much for tuning in 3 00:00:29,490 --> 00:00:32,790 and making this your live stream or your podcast of choice. Now, 4 00:00:32,790 --> 00:00:35,730 I was a little apprehensive about putting this to an audio 5 00:00:35,730 --> 00:00:38,910 version. So if you're listening to that, just know, I wasn't so 6 00:00:38,910 --> 00:00:42,960 sure if I should only reason is lots of visuals to look at. But 7 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,530 I know that a lot of you just don't care about that aspect. 8 00:00:46,710 --> 00:00:50,550 And want me to drop them to audio anyway. So there you go. 9 00:00:50,700 --> 00:00:53,490 If you want to see the visuals, just go to the black 10 00:00:53,490 --> 00:00:58,260 vault.com/live That will bounce you to the YouTube channel. That 11 00:00:58,260 --> 00:01:02,430 way you can see some of the recent videos and likely find 12 00:01:02,430 --> 00:01:06,690 this one on the guy Hodel memo. And with that, that is what we 13 00:01:06,690 --> 00:01:12,570 are talking about today. I will say that when I posted what I 14 00:01:12,570 --> 00:01:16,320 call the short it was like a minute long, it goes to not only 15 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:20,940 YouTube shorts, but also to now tick tock. Lots of people were 16 00:01:20,940 --> 00:01:24,180 requesting I be on there, mainly my sister, so a shout out to 17 00:01:24,180 --> 00:01:28,260 her. But but she was seeing a lot of people talking about the 18 00:01:28,260 --> 00:01:31,860 black vault using black vault hashtags. So I finally got 19 00:01:31,860 --> 00:01:34,590 suckered into doing it. But it's been a lot of fun and 20 00:01:34,590 --> 00:01:38,340 challenging to create short form content. But I know a lot of you 21 00:01:38,340 --> 00:01:41,580 don't use Tik Tok. I've heard the concerns and the privacy 22 00:01:41,580 --> 00:01:45,450 concerns and so on. And maybe it's just me after 26 years of 23 00:01:45,450 --> 00:01:49,170 doing this, I just kind of waved goodbye to much of my privacy 24 00:01:49,170 --> 00:01:53,280 anyway. So it doesn't really bother me at all. Plus, I didn't 25 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,320 really see a whole lot of promise in some of the claims 26 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,470 made against Tiktok. Anyway. But that being said, I joined that, 27 00:01:58,470 --> 00:02:01,920 but take those shorts. So don't worry if you if you don't use 28 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,400 Tiktok, you'll see him on Instagram, started posting there 29 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,340 as well. But also here on YouTube, if you're watching the 30 00:02:08,340 --> 00:02:11,460 video on YouTube, so you're not missing out. But my whole point 31 00:02:11,460 --> 00:02:16,890 is, is that when I dropped this short form video, my intent was 32 00:02:16,890 --> 00:02:20,700 to do this longer form video to go along with it. Some of you 33 00:02:20,700 --> 00:02:23,700 who pay attention to these channels, probably saw that with 34 00:02:23,700 --> 00:02:27,330 the Bigfoot video that I did drop, the short dropped the 35 00:02:27,330 --> 00:02:30,780 longer version. That way, everybody gets what they want 36 00:02:30,870 --> 00:02:35,010 some one short form somewhat long form. So bam, that's what I 37 00:02:35,010 --> 00:02:38,400 decided to do with this particular one life got in the 38 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,880 way. As most of you know, I'm a dad, I've got a three year old 39 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,810 and eight year old things always don't go as planned. Scheduling 40 00:02:45,810 --> 00:02:49,710 beyond an hour into my future is generally pretty tough to do. So 41 00:02:49,740 --> 00:02:53,910 it didn't work out. But I'm kind of glad it didn't. Because with 42 00:02:53,910 --> 00:02:58,680 that being said, and that delay, I got to see two things. One, 43 00:02:58,740 --> 00:03:02,970 the reaction from some people out there to the short form 44 00:03:02,970 --> 00:03:08,580 video, which I was, I would say surprised that some people 45 00:03:08,580 --> 00:03:12,540 accused me of actually making up this document that it wasn't 46 00:03:12,540 --> 00:03:16,260 real. So it was interesting to see those types of comments 47 00:03:16,260 --> 00:03:19,740 because this document is absolutely real, and very 48 00:03:19,740 --> 00:03:23,700 provable. But the second part of why I'm happy that I got delayed 49 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,080 was some news. And that is for those who know what I'm going to 50 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:33,060 be talking about the Hodel memo, I got a version from the FBI 51 00:03:33,060 --> 00:03:38,430 released just this morning of it entirely unredacted. Now, there 52 00:03:38,430 --> 00:03:40,260 weren't a whole lot of redactions I'll show you in a 53 00:03:40,260 --> 00:03:44,190 moment. But I got those redactions lifted. And what that 54 00:03:44,190 --> 00:03:48,750 revealed were the names of those involved beyond guy Hodel, who 55 00:03:48,750 --> 00:03:53,250 was the special agent in charge in Washington, DC. So that is a 56 00:03:53,250 --> 00:03:57,780 little bit of news for you. That was again hot in today, through 57 00:03:57,780 --> 00:04:01,530 FOIA. I will show you that in the coming minutes, but wanted 58 00:04:01,530 --> 00:04:04,380 to kind of preface the story of what we're going to be talking 59 00:04:04,380 --> 00:04:08,910 about. So let me go ahead and pull up the visuals. If you're 60 00:04:08,910 --> 00:04:11,940 not familiar with the guy Hodel memo, this is something that has 61 00:04:11,940 --> 00:04:16,890 been around for many, many years in the UFO conversation. Some 62 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,090 even call it a smoking gun. Others call the story that's 63 00:04:21,090 --> 00:04:24,480 depicted in the document because I want to stress the document is 64 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:29,220 real. There is no denying that. But the story within some 65 00:04:29,220 --> 00:04:33,030 believe is a hoax. Now I'm going to outline everything for you, 66 00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:37,770 at least as much as is presently known about this document and 67 00:04:37,770 --> 00:04:40,560 let you guys decide I'm not really here to tell you one way 68 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,590 or the other. Of course I'm skeptical of course I lean 69 00:04:43,590 --> 00:04:47,100 towards that's probably not real. But the new revelation of 70 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:51,360 of those redactions being lifted, may actually cause more 71 00:04:51,930 --> 00:04:57,240 questions to be generated than questions answered. We'll get to 72 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,070 that, like I said in a few moments. 73 00:05:00,570 --> 00:05:05,220 The memo itself is this it is a one page memorandum. And we're 74 00:05:05,220 --> 00:05:08,430 going to dissect it here just so you guys know on the audio 75 00:05:08,430 --> 00:05:11,670 version, exactly what we are talking about. It was dated 76 00:05:11,670 --> 00:05:17,220 March 22 1950. And you can see up here was addressed to the 77 00:05:17,220 --> 00:05:21,360 director of the FBI, which you can imagine was J Edgar Hoover. 78 00:05:21,810 --> 00:05:25,920 And it was from Guy Hodel SAIC means Special Agent in Charge in 79 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,210 Washington DC. The subject flying saucers information 80 00:05:30,210 --> 00:05:34,590 concerning let me read it to you the following information with 81 00:05:34,590 --> 00:05:39,090 furnish to NSA or special agent and then redacted for those 82 00:05:39,090 --> 00:05:44,100 listening on the audio version. It's about equal to a line and a 83 00:05:44,100 --> 00:05:47,670 half of redactions stretching over three lines. So we don't 84 00:05:47,670 --> 00:05:50,910 know what's under that new paragraph. An investigator for 85 00:05:50,910 --> 00:05:55,350 the Air Forces stated that three so called Flying Saucers had 86 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:58,440 been recovered in New Mexico. They were described as being 87 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,760 circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet 88 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,200 in diameter. Each one was occupied by three bodies of 89 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,430 human shape, but only three feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth 90 00:06:11,430 --> 00:06:15,030 have a very fine texture. Each body was bandaged in a manner 91 00:06:15,030 --> 00:06:19,800 similar to the blackout suits, suits used by speed fliers, and 92 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:25,260 that pilots and test pilots excuse me as type writers a 93 00:06:25,260 --> 00:06:28,590 little hard to read here. According to Mr. redacted 94 00:06:28,590 --> 00:06:32,400 informant, the saucers were found in New Mexico due to the 95 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,840 fact that the government has a very high powered radar setup in 96 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:40,770 that area, and it is believed the radar interferes with 97 00:06:40,770 --> 00:06:45,540 controlling mechanics of the saucers. No further evaluation 98 00:06:45,540 --> 00:06:50,370 was attempted by NSA and then blank concerning the above. And 99 00:06:50,370 --> 00:06:53,400 then that's the end of the memo. Sorry, for my tongue tied there, 100 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,120 it's sometimes hard to read on my monitor of a monitor 101 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,200 broadcasting to you guys, especially when it's from 1950. 102 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:08,460 But anyway, that is the memorandum. Fresh in today is 103 00:07:08,460 --> 00:07:11,640 the memorandum unredacted. I will dissect the line that's 104 00:07:11,670 --> 00:07:15,780 unredacted towards the end of this. But for now, let me read 105 00:07:15,780 --> 00:07:18,270 it to you the following information was furnished to 106 00:07:18,270 --> 00:07:25,110 Special Agent, our H. Kurtzman, by Carl, how special 107 00:07:25,110 --> 00:07:29,790 investigator sex squad, Metropolitan Police Department, 108 00:07:29,850 --> 00:07:31,830 and then it goes on. I've already read the rest of you. 109 00:07:32,430 --> 00:07:34,740 The other redactions cited when I read the whole thing, we're 110 00:07:34,740 --> 00:07:38,310 just the same names in the first paragraph, but cited in 111 00:07:38,310 --> 00:07:41,580 paragraphs three and four. So there you go, a little bit of a 112 00:07:41,580 --> 00:07:47,280 mystery revealed on who the source actually was. But before 113 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,400 I get into that, I want to, again, just outline the 114 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,820 memorandum here because this part is new. So I didn't update 115 00:07:53,820 --> 00:07:56,520 all my slides. So I'm gonna go back to that original one, 116 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,440 because I already did the graphics. And then I'll come 117 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,670 back to that, that new information just to kind of add 118 00:08:02,730 --> 00:08:05,970 where we are. But I think the history behind this is 119 00:08:05,970 --> 00:08:09,720 absolutely important. Here, you can see a side by side of both 120 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,230 documents. You can see it's a much cleaner version as well. So 121 00:08:13,230 --> 00:08:15,780 that was kind of nice. Everything else matches up. You 122 00:08:15,780 --> 00:08:18,330 can see some handwriting here that was redacted. Couldn't 123 00:08:18,330 --> 00:08:22,770 really read in any way. But here it is revealed flying discs or 124 00:08:22,770 --> 00:08:26,430 flying saucers, what was handwritten at the top here. And 125 00:08:26,430 --> 00:08:32,070 then of course, all of those redactions are lifted. So as I 126 00:08:32,070 --> 00:08:35,700 briefly mentioned before, it was written by Guy Hodel, he was the 127 00:08:35,700 --> 00:08:38,970 head of the Washington, DC FBI field office, and he addressed 128 00:08:38,970 --> 00:08:44,670 it to the director of FBI, which again was Jay J. Edgar Hoover. 129 00:08:46,590 --> 00:08:50,340 The document itself, as I also mentioned, has been around for a 130 00:08:50,340 --> 00:08:55,800 long time, in fact, decades, it has circulated and it really 131 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:01,950 didn't, I would say get a lot of online recognition until about 132 00:09:02,010 --> 00:09:05,640 eight or nine years ago. And the reason is, is that when the FBI 133 00:09:05,910 --> 00:09:10,410 had launched what they called the vault, I've always joked 134 00:09:10,410 --> 00:09:14,190 about that on this channel, what a convenient name. But they 135 00:09:14,190 --> 00:09:18,000 launched their archive of government documents and called 136 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:24,390 it the vault. In it are various FBI files, on organizations on 137 00:09:24,390 --> 00:09:28,650 people, all sorts of things and there's a lot of information 138 00:09:28,650 --> 00:09:33,480 it's a great resource. I've learned it's not always complete 139 00:09:33,510 --> 00:09:36,000 they lead you to believe it's complete, let's say on a certain 140 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,200 person or organization that is not true. That's a video for 141 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,230 another day. But regardless, it's a good resource to kind of 142 00:09:43,230 --> 00:09:47,190 cross reference and see what has been released before on there is 143 00:09:47,190 --> 00:09:51,570 a file of guy huddle. Let me read to you what how they 144 00:09:51,570 --> 00:09:54,120 describe him guy huddle was a special agent in charge of the 145 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,450 FBI is Washington Field Office. The information concerning Mr. 146 00:09:57,570 --> 00:10:02,340 Mr. Hodel is in regard to a march to The second 1950 memo he 147 00:10:02,340 --> 00:10:06,540 sent to the FBI Director concerning flying saucers, see, 148 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,170 and then there's a web address, which I will also show you, 149 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:17,190 which links to a 2013 article UFOs. And the guy huddle memo in 150 00:10:17,190 --> 00:10:21,600 March of 2013, the FBI wrote this to kind of explain a little 151 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,350 bit about this memo, because when it popped up in our vault, 152 00:10:25,710 --> 00:10:30,240 unless you were a UFO history buff, read about it in books, 153 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,770 because it again was nothing new. The Internet grabbed ahold 154 00:10:34,770 --> 00:10:38,850 of it and went, Oh, my goodness, this is the smoking gun. So the 155 00:10:38,850 --> 00:10:44,220 FBI went, Okay, we got to do some PRs damage control here and 156 00:10:44,220 --> 00:10:50,580 made this 2013 article to help explain that memorandum because 157 00:10:50,580 --> 00:10:54,900 it did go viral at the time here are just some of the headlines 158 00:10:54,900 --> 00:10:59,940 being picked up by the times, Huffington Post, NBC News. And 159 00:10:59,940 --> 00:11:03,810 this was worldwide because a lot of people well, they they wanted 160 00:11:03,810 --> 00:11:09,180 to know if this truly was a smoking gun. So let's outline 161 00:11:09,180 --> 00:11:12,720 what the FBI explanation actually was. And these are 162 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,620 quotes quote first, the huddle memo isn't new. It was first 163 00:11:16,620 --> 00:11:20,190 released publicly in the late 1970s and had been posted on the 164 00:11:20,190 --> 00:11:22,950 FBI website for several years prior to the launch of the 165 00:11:22,950 --> 00:11:27,690 vault. Second, the huddle memo is dated nearly three years 166 00:11:27,690 --> 00:11:32,670 after the infamous events in Roswell in July 1947. There's no 167 00:11:32,670 --> 00:11:36,090 reason to believe the two are connected. The FBI file on 168 00:11:36,090 --> 00:11:40,320 Roswell, another popular page is posted elsewhere on the vault 169 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,830 prior to the vault Just a quick side note was something very 170 00:11:43,830 --> 00:11:47,580 similar, just not as well known or well publicized. So that's 171 00:11:47,580 --> 00:11:50,790 what they mean that it was posted years before the vault 172 00:11:50,790 --> 00:11:55,950 came came came about. Back to the quotes third, as noted in an 173 00:11:55,950 --> 00:12:00,180 earlier story, the FBI has only occasionally been involved in 174 00:12:00,180 --> 00:12:04,230 investigating reports of UFOs and extraterrestrials. For a few 175 00:12:04,230 --> 00:12:07,350 years after the Roswell incident, Director Hoover did 176 00:12:07,350 --> 00:12:11,640 order his agents at the request of the Air Force to verify any 177 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:17,310 UFO sightings. That practice ended in July 1954 months after 178 00:12:17,310 --> 00:12:20,460 the hudl memo, suggesting that our Washington Field Office 179 00:12:20,460 --> 00:12:24,000 didn't think enough of that flying saucer story to look into 180 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,880 it. Of course, in the normal fashion of any government 181 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,810 agency, they have to belittle the topic, when probably there's 182 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:35,490 really no justification for that, because in the 1950s, we 183 00:12:35,490 --> 00:12:38,310 know for a fact a lot of documents have been destroyed or 184 00:12:38,310 --> 00:12:42,000 lost. This was also prior to the Freedom of Information Act. So 185 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,290 we have no idea at that timeframe. What Hoover and his 186 00:12:46,290 --> 00:12:50,220 FBI did with the information that could potentially 187 00:12:50,220 --> 00:12:53,730 contradict that. Because a lot of other agencies, their 188 00:12:53,730 --> 00:12:58,470 information does contradict statements like that. Back to 189 00:12:58,470 --> 00:13:01,950 the quotes finally, the Hodel memo does not prove the 190 00:13:01,950 --> 00:13:06,300 existence of UFOs it is simply a second or third hand claim that 191 00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:10,170 we never investigate it. Some people believe the memo repeats 192 00:13:10,170 --> 00:13:13,770 a hoax that was circulating at the time, but the Bureau's files 193 00:13:13,770 --> 00:13:20,070 have no information to verify that theory. They in the article 194 00:13:20,070 --> 00:13:25,530 Sorry, no smoking gun on UFOs. The mystery remains. 195 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,280 The key part of that, for me is the mystery. The FBI couldn't 196 00:13:29,310 --> 00:13:33,810 truly explain where this story came from. Hopefully I'm going 197 00:13:33,810 --> 00:13:38,370 to be able to add to that today. But with this article, they call 198 00:13:38,370 --> 00:13:43,680 it a mystery even though skeptics and even UFO believers 199 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:47,310 advocates that the phenomena these phenomena are real and 200 00:13:47,310 --> 00:13:51,450 something worthy of study. Even some of them are saying now it's 201 00:13:51,450 --> 00:13:56,310 it's a hoax, and they largely reference this man, Silas 202 00:13:56,310 --> 00:14:01,320 Newton. The quote at the top here, some people believe the 203 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,620 memo repeats a hoax that was circulating at that time, but 204 00:14:04,620 --> 00:14:06,630 the Bureau's files have no information to verify that 205 00:14:06,630 --> 00:14:09,330 theory. Here's what's interesting because again, Silas 206 00:14:09,330 --> 00:14:12,540 Newton has largely been connected to the story depicted 207 00:14:12,540 --> 00:14:16,830 in this memo and who knows, that could very well be true. But 208 00:14:16,830 --> 00:14:20,430 with all the information that the FBI had access to either 209 00:14:20,430 --> 00:14:25,380 classified or exempt from release and otherwise, back in 210 00:14:25,380 --> 00:14:31,080 2013, they could not verify that Silas Newton played any role in 211 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,830 that. This was the man here you can see there was major 212 00:14:34,830 --> 00:14:37,950 headlines all around because he was a big con man at the time. 213 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:43,710 Silas Newton jailed here to face Bunko charges. He's primarily 214 00:14:43,710 --> 00:14:47,220 known for selling something called the doodle bug. That's a 215 00:14:47,220 --> 00:14:52,350 device that I guess can can detect oil and gold and I mean, 216 00:14:52,350 --> 00:14:57,420 it was a big scam and essentially it was at the time 217 00:14:57,450 --> 00:15:01,440 said to have cost hundreds of 1000s have dollars, but would 218 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:07,170 sell it to people for like $40,000. And those rich people 219 00:15:07,170 --> 00:15:09,780 would essentially think that they're getting some kind of a 220 00:15:09,780 --> 00:15:13,560 deal. He called it the doodle bug. Here's a picture of it, 221 00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:17,190 haven't found many of them. But this is a rare one of it. And 222 00:15:17,190 --> 00:15:19,740 this is what essentially he was, he was really in a lot of 223 00:15:19,740 --> 00:15:24,630 trouble for because it was a fairly big scam. All apologize 224 00:15:24,630 --> 00:15:27,930 to Dr. Bruce Maccabee in advance if it wasn't him, but I believe 225 00:15:27,930 --> 00:15:31,350 just through research, I wasn't able to get a hold of him for 226 00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:33,030 this. But 227 00:15:34,410 --> 00:15:39,210 I believe that the Silas Newton connection routes to Dr. McCabe 228 00:15:39,210 --> 00:15:42,720 back around the timeframe that he wrote the FBI CIA UFO 229 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,460 connection. And to his credit, he got a lot of those original 230 00:15:47,460 --> 00:15:51,600 FBI UFO files that came out decades ago, including the Hodel 231 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:57,360 memo. So that is absolutely a props to him for doing that 232 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,840 decades ago. But I believe again that Silas Newton connection 233 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,400 routes with Dr. McCabe but the FBI couldn't bear that out. I 234 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:10,560 did dig up Silas Newton's FBI file that's also on the FBI is 235 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,460 vault as well. I did confirm with the FBI that that is 236 00:16:14,460 --> 00:16:18,540 complete, meaning what you find on the vault, what you find on 237 00:16:18,570 --> 00:16:23,520 the black vault, that would be my site. That is the phone Silas 238 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,790 Newton file, there's nothing else. I won't go and dissect 239 00:16:26,790 --> 00:16:30,030 that file. But there's quite a bit to read. I put on screen 240 00:16:30,030 --> 00:16:33,900 here his arrest record and some of the charges that he faced a 241 00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:36,540 lot of stuff through New York, you can see Sheriff's Department 242 00:16:36,540 --> 00:16:40,470 in Los Angeles, Denver and so on. There's also a lot of 243 00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:43,620 resources out there of newsletters that you can find. 244 00:16:43,950 --> 00:16:46,800 You can see they've been labeled and flying saucers swindlers. 245 00:16:47,370 --> 00:16:51,120 The story is pretty deep. It's a truly a video and even a 246 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:56,070 documentary in itself to show what Silas Newton did, what his 247 00:16:56,070 --> 00:16:59,070 con was, who he worked with, so on and so forth. And it just 248 00:16:59,070 --> 00:17:01,830 kind of spiraled from there. So again, I'm not going to dissect 249 00:17:01,830 --> 00:17:03,870 that whole thing, but there's lots of resources there if 250 00:17:03,870 --> 00:17:06,900 you're curious about it, because it is really a fascinating 251 00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:12,360 story. I always loved those conman 1950s You know, stories 252 00:17:12,360 --> 00:17:15,300 where they got away with so much, eventually to be caught, 253 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:19,230 but still fascinating nonetheless. So let's get back 254 00:17:19,230 --> 00:17:24,930 to the news for today that the Hodel memo has now been released 255 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,870 in full here it is, again, you can see much cleaner than the 256 00:17:27,870 --> 00:17:31,470 previous version released. That first paragraph that I already 257 00:17:31,650 --> 00:17:37,020 had read to you revealed the names of two key players in the 258 00:17:37,020 --> 00:17:42,270 saga. The first is Special Special Agent R. H. Kurtzman. 259 00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:46,680 And he was the one that essentially got the information, 260 00:17:47,010 --> 00:17:51,390 fed it to the agent in charge at his field office, who then in 261 00:17:51,390 --> 00:17:56,130 turn sent it to J. Edgar Hoover. So now we can see who that was, 262 00:17:56,550 --> 00:18:00,120 who the special agent received it from. This is what I was 263 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:05,970 trying to unlock. And this to my I would say biggest surprise was 264 00:18:05,970 --> 00:18:09,210 that it was not anybody that we recognized in like a silence 265 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,710 Silas Newton or something to that effect. But rather the 266 00:18:13,710 --> 00:18:18,180 information came from another law enforcement agency, namely 267 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:20,670 the Metropolitan Police Department and I think that's 268 00:18:20,670 --> 00:18:24,720 safe to assume would be the Washington DC, Metro Police 269 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:29,820 Department, Special Investigator Carl, how was the one who 270 00:18:29,820 --> 00:18:34,650 obtained the information, and he was part of get this, the sex 271 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:41,670 squad. Now, why he would come up with the information depicted in 272 00:18:41,670 --> 00:18:45,840 the guy huddle memo of alien bodies and so on and he worked 273 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:52,440 in a sec squad unit. I have no idea. So where my surprise comes 274 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,950 in? And of course this is guests guesswork when you deal with 275 00:18:55,950 --> 00:18:59,850 redactions was that I assumed that the first part of the 276 00:18:59,850 --> 00:19:04,020 redaction was the FBI agent. And I actually thought that they 277 00:19:04,020 --> 00:19:07,020 likely wouldn't unredact that that they would keep that 278 00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:11,220 redacted even if the guy was dead, meaning a lot of times 279 00:19:11,220 --> 00:19:14,670 these agencies will protect our agents. But what I was hoping 280 00:19:14,670 --> 00:19:19,170 for was the source. Let's say it's Silas Newton, long, long 281 00:19:19,170 --> 00:19:23,730 long passed away dead and no longer a privacy issue concern. 282 00:19:24,450 --> 00:19:28,350 That's what I was looking for. But to my surprise, to see 283 00:19:28,350 --> 00:19:34,560 another law enforcement agency that to me was intriguing. And 284 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,650 on top of that this was obviously and I want to say 285 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:43,110 obviously but it is a with 99% certainty. The Washington DC 286 00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:46,320 Metropolitan Police Department. reason is is because when a 287 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,860 metro PD gets information, they feel that there should be 288 00:19:49,860 --> 00:19:53,340 federal involvement. They go to the field office locally, then 289 00:19:53,340 --> 00:19:57,240 locally goes to their national headquarters. And that's what 290 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,870 you see here. You trace it back from DC Metro Police Is to 291 00:20:00,870 --> 00:20:06,000 Special Agent Kurtzman, back to the Special Agent in Charge than 292 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,180 to the director of the FBI. So I think it's a safe assumption. 293 00:20:09,420 --> 00:20:10,110 But of course, 294 00:20:10,109 --> 00:20:13,109 there's always that 1% chance that it's wrong. But regardless, 295 00:20:14,309 --> 00:20:18,659 here is our H. Kurtzman, Robert H. Kurtzman to be exact, he died 296 00:20:18,659 --> 00:20:23,489 back in 1978. I found him listed in a document that I got from 297 00:20:23,489 --> 00:20:28,139 the FBI called the Dead list. And yes, that is really their 298 00:20:28,139 --> 00:20:32,339 name for it. It is the dead list. This is used by the 299 00:20:32,339 --> 00:20:36,179 Freedom of Information Act office, when people do FOIA 300 00:20:36,179 --> 00:20:39,989 requests or Privacy Act request or looking for information. They 301 00:20:39,989 --> 00:20:44,729 keep a database of people that they have verified, are dead. So 302 00:20:44,759 --> 00:20:49,349 you have to submit obituaries, death certificates, proof of 303 00:20:49,349 --> 00:20:51,779 death in the form of news articles, and so on and so 304 00:20:51,779 --> 00:20:56,849 forth. And to do that, you you have to submit it to the FBI, 305 00:20:56,849 --> 00:21:01,139 and it has to be verifiable. Once it's verified, it goes into 306 00:21:01,139 --> 00:21:07,589 the list. So Robert Kurtzman, the special agent that received 307 00:21:07,589 --> 00:21:10,589 this information. Either somebody requested his file 308 00:21:10,589 --> 00:21:13,409 before, and I believe that's true. But I haven't been able to 309 00:21:13,409 --> 00:21:17,579 verify if there is a file that's come out yet. I'm working on 310 00:21:17,579 --> 00:21:20,459 that. We'll see if there's anything in Kurtzman file, it's 311 00:21:20,459 --> 00:21:24,779 probably nothing related to this, but you never know. So 312 00:21:24,779 --> 00:21:29,039 that's that's him found verified. There you go. The 313 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:32,729 other aspect is the Metropolitan Police Department in Washington, 314 00:21:32,729 --> 00:21:37,319 DC. Now, what's interesting about this is that it didn't 315 00:21:37,349 --> 00:21:40,529 immediately route to a Silas Newton, as I pointed out, but 316 00:21:40,529 --> 00:21:44,369 rather a police department. So this morning, I immediately 317 00:21:44,369 --> 00:21:47,579 picked up the phone and called the police department over in 318 00:21:47,579 --> 00:21:52,529 DC. And I ended up having to leave a message where I ended up 319 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:58,499 asking about files from 1950. Reason being is we want to see 320 00:21:59,309 --> 00:22:03,569 what their files if they still exist, say hopefully through 321 00:22:03,569 --> 00:22:08,309 either a Sunshine Act or Freedom of Information Act, or maybe 322 00:22:08,309 --> 00:22:11,819 through public affairs, they'll work with me because it's 70 323 00:22:11,819 --> 00:22:15,899 plus years, since these these documents were written, maybe 324 00:22:15,899 --> 00:22:19,949 they will release them, will those files have something to do 325 00:22:19,949 --> 00:22:24,449 with either Silas Newton or a story dealing with Silas 326 00:22:24,449 --> 00:22:28,439 Newton's claims and so on and so forth, who knows that's still up 327 00:22:28,439 --> 00:22:32,489 in the air. But it to me this kind of deepen the mystery a 328 00:22:32,489 --> 00:22:35,519 little bit. That doesn't mean the Hodel memo depicts, you 329 00:22:35,519 --> 00:22:38,879 know, real events. And this is a smoking gun, but rather, it 330 00:22:38,879 --> 00:22:43,139 wasn't what I expected. And that is the very, very cool thing 331 00:22:43,139 --> 00:22:46,439 about it. Remember that arrest record that I also talked to you 332 00:22:46,439 --> 00:22:50,759 guys about with Silas Newton, it really didn't touch DC or any 333 00:22:50,759 --> 00:22:54,479 problems that he had in DC. You can see here that the department 334 00:22:54,479 --> 00:22:58,589 that he was charged with various charges, New York City, New 335 00:22:58,589 --> 00:23:02,429 York, New York, New York, Los Angeles, Los Angeles, Denver, 336 00:23:02,459 --> 00:23:09,089 Los Angeles, all the way from 1931 through 1967, the 1950 337 00:23:09,089 --> 00:23:12,299 timeframe, when this intelligence was collected from 338 00:23:12,299 --> 00:23:18,599 the field by a sex unit Special Agent, for whatever reason, that 339 00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:23,819 would lie in the timeline here, and you can see 1936 jumps to 52 340 00:23:24,059 --> 00:23:28,559 no real trouble in 1950. So again, may not be directly Silas 341 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:33,659 Newton, maybe it's somebody that he knew. Heard about, who knows 342 00:23:34,199 --> 00:23:38,219 a lot of possibilities there. But regardless, I would say more 343 00:23:38,219 --> 00:23:41,849 questions than answers on this one. At first, I thought this 344 00:23:41,849 --> 00:23:46,589 was just kind of, I guess a geeky cool thing, if you want to 345 00:23:46,589 --> 00:23:50,459 call it that. I was talking to my to my friend Dan Warren and 346 00:23:50,459 --> 00:23:54,329 shout out to him runs a cool tic tock channel. God he's, he's 347 00:23:54,329 --> 00:23:56,699 killing it over there with like a well over a quarter of a 348 00:23:56,699 --> 00:24:00,209 million subscribers. So if you don't know Dan, follow him on 349 00:24:00,209 --> 00:24:02,669 tick tock. If you do use tick tock, not don't worry about it, 350 00:24:02,939 --> 00:24:05,429 but follow him over there. But anyway, what I told him I was 351 00:24:05,429 --> 00:24:08,309 like, Hey, this is like a geeky cool thing, what I call the 352 00:24:08,309 --> 00:24:11,219 geeky, cool, because I'm a geek, I love this kind of stuff. But 353 00:24:11,219 --> 00:24:14,609 then I realized hey, this actually adds more to the story. 354 00:24:14,609 --> 00:24:19,349 Maybe not national newsworthy, but rather more to this mystery 355 00:24:19,379 --> 00:24:23,819 as the FBI calls it so hoax. I don't know you guys decide you 356 00:24:23,819 --> 00:24:26,039 know, I'm always interested in your comments. If you're 357 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:28,709 listening on YouTube, you know where to put them. Just look 358 00:24:28,709 --> 00:24:29,609 down south there, 359 00:24:29,609 --> 00:24:33,149 you'll see all the comments already. Add your own. Let me 360 00:24:33,149 --> 00:24:36,059 know if you think it's all BS. Hey, let me know. The document 361 00:24:36,059 --> 00:24:39,749 though itself is real. So those who commented on the short 362 00:24:39,749 --> 00:24:43,619 saying that I made this up and was looking for clickbait. No, 363 00:24:43,859 --> 00:24:47,639 it's all verifiable. You guys can verify it. 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