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John Greenewald: For nearly five
years, we've heard the story of

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Luis Elizondo. After retiring as
a senior intelligence officer

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within the Department of
Defense, and after being a

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former counter intelligence
agent within the US Army, his

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efforts and his story have
played a crucial role in the

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change in global conversation
about UFOs and UAP. His actions

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and his story may have even
played a role in motivating

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Congress to create legislation
and pursue answers to a pressing

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mystery. But according to
Elizondo, his actions didn't

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come without a cost. According
to him, he was faced with

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retribution, false information
to the public abuse by

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government authority, and the
illegal destruction of

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information all by people within
the very department he wants

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worked for. So to clear his
name, he filed a 64 page

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complaint to the Department of
Defense Office of the Inspector

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General. This video is a deep
dive into that very document, as

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published in redacted form by
the New York Post it did, what's

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in it, what exactly is being
alleged? And does the evidence

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that we can get access to
support or contradict the rather

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pointed allegations about
certain individuals stay tuned,

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you're about to journey inside
the blackboard.

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That's right, everybody. As
always, thank you so much for

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tuning in and making this your
podcast or your live stream of

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choice. I'm your host, John
Greenewald, Jr, Owner, founder,

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creator of the black vault.com.
And today we're doing a show

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that has been heavily requested.
And I will warn you right now I

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have no idea how long it's going
to end up. Obviously, you will

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be able to see this now
lengthwise in the description.

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And if you're watching on
YouTube or your podcast

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streaming, you'll be able to see
the length of it. But as of

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right now, I have no idea where
we're going to end up but likely

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a couple of hours. This is a
deep dive into the Luis Elizondo

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IG complaint. Now a lot of you
have seen this it was released

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by the New York Post not too
long ago, but it's been long

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enough to where some of you may
have even forgotten about it.

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But also some of you may not
know what I'm talking about. And

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what we're going to do is dive
into the complaint that finally

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came out into the public realm.
That explains Luis Elizondo is

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essentially complaint but his
his gripe if you will, with the

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Department of Defense and
certain people within now, I'm

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not here to tell you who's
guilty, who's not who should be

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fired or anything like that,
that that's not what I'm going

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to do with this video. But
rather, I will go through this

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complaint, page by page and yes,
we will read it together. I

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understand this video may not be
for everybody. So if you're

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cringing at the fact that we're
going to read something

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together, no worries, you don't
have to go ahead and sit through

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this. But know that I'm not
going to sit here and read word

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for word. Rather, I will read
the complaint word for word. But

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in addition to giving additional
information, additional context,

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and posing questions that I
think need to be asked, and

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ultimately answered, but I have
no idea if they ever will. So I

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want to just dive into this. And
likely, I'll make a mistake here

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or there. I'll try and edit out
the the big ones. But rather,

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there's a lot of slides to go
through in this deck. There's a

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lot of pages of the complaint,
some of which we can go through

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rather quickly. Others take a
little bit more time. As you can

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imagine, I've created a slide
deck for you guys, which is

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going to break down the entire
complaint, page by page and then

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again, in addition to other
information, but I also want to

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point out that this has been
rearranged a little bit when it

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comes to the page. At first I
wanted to just have you guys

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download from the New York
Post's drop dropbox account, and

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that way you could follow along.
It didn't work out great because

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in Luis Elizondo his complaint,
he references a bunch of

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attachments. And in the copy
that came out to the general

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public, they were not numbered
as they were in his letter and

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in his outline of his complaint,
so to match them up took a

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little bit more work then just
going, Oh, attachment four.

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Okay, let's go to attachment
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way, and in my opinion weren't
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So it's not like you could just
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they were a little bit jumbled.
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different chronological order.
There was also a repeated page

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in the copy that I downloaded
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rearranged the emails in
chronological order, that way,

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it makes more sense. So that's
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haven't seen the IG complaint,
look in the description below if

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you're watching on YouTube, or
if you're streaming the podcast,

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just know it is in the show
notes version, as well. So you

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can go to the New York Post's
YouTube account, and the video

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that Stephen Green Street did on
the basement office breaking

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down quite a few things about
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complaint popped up shortly
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and they, meaning the New York
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them. I want to start there for
taking a very important document

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and putting it out there. I did
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different ways and failed in
both attempts. Once with Luis

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Elizondo that failed, that did
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It was private communication. So
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other than they said, no, they
meaning Luis Elizondo, and he

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obviously works with some PR
people. The second way I tried

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to get it was through the
Freedom of Information Act, he

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submitted it to the Department
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Inspector General, filing his
complaint against certain

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people, we'll go over those
people in a moment. I tried

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through FOIA. It was also denied
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something like this for a couple
of different reasons, which I

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won't go into. But rather it's
just exempted, and I was unable

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to get it. Whether or not there
will be a final report whether

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or not that they were even doing
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they're even doing an evaluation
on this specific complaint has

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not been confirmed. I know
Louise Elizondo is and his

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attorney Daniel Sheehan, and
podcasts and so on have said

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quite a bit about this whole
thing. And it could very well be

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true. All I am saying and adding
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Office of the Inspector General
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recent as in the last week of
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of this video. So in the last
week, I tried to get the DoD IG

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to say, hey, yes, we're doing an
investigation, hey, we're not

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doing an investigation, hey,
we're doing an eval something,

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and they will not do it. So I
tried again, I did hear back. So

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that was not a a ignoring of the
requests, they did respond. But

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it is their policy not to
comment on any type of complaint

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like this, or what the outcome
would be. That being said, let's

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go ahead and jump into it. Now,
let me get my laser pointer

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here, because I'm gonna always
point around here if you're

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watching the visuals, I'm just
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This is the first page the top
of the PDF. This obviously is

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the what they call the DoD
hotline, how Mr. Elizondo filed

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his complaint and all of the
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You can see here under Part One,
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I choose to identify myself for
the complaint, meaning he wasn't

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going to be anonymous. And the
second thing he checked, I give

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permission for DOD hotline to
release my identity outside the

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DoD hotline on a need to know
basis. All right, so he wasn't

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afraid to make the complaint and
be named in the process. Not

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checked was I don't get
permission meaning a anonymous

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complaint. Going through these
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Daniel Elizondo, this is
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out that I don't believe has
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he's come out since I believe in
podcasts and said that he was a

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government contractor. However,
the employees status, he would

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think that from the DOD, he
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contractor employee. You can see
those two options here. When he

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filed this, I don't believe it
was public knowledge. I did not

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try and figure out that timeline
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regardless, for quite some time,
we just thought he was a

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retiree. He talked about living
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California for quite some time
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It came out later that he was
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contractor and maintained his
security clearance. So whichever

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one is right, neither one was
checked. You can see here he

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checked other so I'm not
entirely sure why he would do

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that. What that means. But you
can see here assigned DoD branch

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Department of Defense. This was
filed after He retired. So if he

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was a contractor employee
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contractor, he technically would
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somebody else. And technically
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employee, because the DoD is not
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I'm playing a little bit of
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important at this level, that if
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complaints about people and
talking about himself, we, I

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think, can nitpick. So if he was
that contractor, why isn't a

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checked, but it says other
department of defense. Now

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there's a lot of rumor about him
working for I've seen Space

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Force and I've seen Space
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those would be two technically
different things. I've seen

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statements that he's working for
both meaning somebody messed up,

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I doubt he's working for all of
them. So maybe that plays a role

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in this. But regardless,
something that I wanted to point

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out there, that kind of stuck
out as odd going through the

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pages. These redactions I want
to point out are likely done by

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the New York Post when they
released this. However, I do not

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know what in the original

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version, let's say to the DOD,
if anything, likely this was not

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redacted. But later on, if
anything was redacted. I don't

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know what the DoD IG got. But
rather, what I'm showing you is

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what the New York Post got and
released. And that's what we're

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looking at. So I think it's safe
to assume these redactions are

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for privacy reasons, as done by
the New York Post. So those are

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all personally identifying
information. You can see here he

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was willing to be interviewed.
And here's where we're going to

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start breaking down the people.
These are the allegations that

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Luis Elizondo is making and who
he is making them to. First up

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on the list on the form Gary
Reed. Now if you don't know who

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Gary Reed is, he might ring a
bell you can see here as a

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retiree, I don't believe that
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employee likely was accurate,
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the other Undersecretary of
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named and security. And Gary
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heard about, as I hate to use
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a scumbag was accused of
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relationships inside the
Pentagon. You can see here in

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April of 2002, Brian Bender,
from Politico outlined the fact

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that and I'll quote here top
Intel official had inappropriate

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relationship, misused email,
Pentagon probe found Gary Reed

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still oversaw a series of
sensitive portfolios after the

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2020 investigation, concluded he
violated policy. This here is

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Gary Reed in all his glory. Now,
I don't want to be accusatory of

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the guy. I don't know him. I've
never talked to him don't care,

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too. I read enough in the
complaint that he kind of sounds

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like a sleazebag. So sorry, that
just kind of is what it is. And

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he was found in violation of
certain things. They could not

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substantiate other things, and
was eventually moved. We'll get

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to that in a moment. But I want
to stick with Gary Reed for a

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minute. Because this is kind of
the tip of the iceberg when it

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comes to this complaint. And the
overall narrative around Luis

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Elizondo, and the problems that
he's had, and the the opposition

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that he's had, that essentially
here we are setting up good guys

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and bad guys. And Gary Reed has
obviously become a bad guy, and

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it very well could be warranted.
But this will make a little bit

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more sense as we go through
here, because you'll see certain

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names being set up as
essentially those bad guys. And

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the question mark really has to
become, are they really, are

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they truly the root of this
problem? And have they targeted

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Mr. Elizondo? And will they be
found? Essentially liable,

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guilty, whatever the the wording
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this, but

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will they be found to be in
violation of policy or so on and

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so forth. But what's weird about
the Gary Reed story is how awful

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the reporting really was. Now,
again, I want to repeat this a

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million times. I'm not defending
the guy, that guy likely is, you

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know, scummy from what I've
read, but if that's true, it

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should be pretty easy to craft a
narrative about the guy who's

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being ousted from the Department
of Defense, because that's

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essentially the story that we
got from the debrief. Now, this

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is credit to the original person
that that broke the story. So

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the debrief was the one that
that did break this Tim McMillan

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was the author, Sex, Lies and
UFOs Pentagon's head of Counter

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Intelligence and Security out
stated that was April 14 2022.

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Now essentially everybody who
read this article, the majority

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of people that read it,
essentially walked away that he

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was fired. Even Tim McMillan
used the word fired in one of

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his tweets. So I'm pretty
confident that that's what they

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were trying to convey with the
article that he was just gone.

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But there was a couple of people
that started making some phone

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calls, one of which I know jazz
Shaw was, was tweeting out. He

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is a journalist with the online
publication, hot air, myself had

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heard the same thing that Harry
Reid was actually still showing

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up to work. And then when he
wasn't ousted, so what was odd

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was there was this whole
narrative that was crafted about

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this guy being fired. And he was
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Pentagon. So I was pushing for
official statements to confirm

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that jazz was pushing through
through, you know, his his means

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to get official statements. He
was also tweeting about this and

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getting a lot of heat for it.
Because everybody said, well,

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the scumbags fired was anybody,
you know, challenging this, but

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it turned out to not be true
that he was still showing up. So

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then the story shifted a little
bit. I think that the phrasing

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that was used was that he was
floating a desk, so he was still

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there, but he didn't have any
duties. Okay. Well, that part

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didn't make sense. But who
knows, maybe that was true, but

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then the Daily Mail jumped in on
it. And they had a quote unquote

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exclusive sex Spats and UFOs.
Top Pentagon Intel official

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under investigation for having
an affair with staffer and

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interfering with secret
aerospace program is dismissed

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and replaced with his mistress.
So one of the people that he was

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accused of having this
inappropriate relationship with

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which they've now labeled his
mistress was taking his spot.

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The problem was, is that that
wasn't true, either. There was

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no evidence to support that
whatsoever. But here is one of

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the tweets that went out. This
is the Tim McMillan tweet that I

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had referenced to you using the
word fired. There were some

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anonymous officials who gave
their opinion as to why Reid was

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fired. However, it was
repeatedly made abundantly clear

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by me, them God and country that
the official explanation was has

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not been made public. So it's
unknown. This was in a longer

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thread, explaining, essentially
some people kind of throwing

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some questions his way of some
of the facts not lining up, but

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you can see that the word fired
was being used. So eventually,

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right, the Daily Mail comes out
and they said what they did. Tim

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McMillan saying he's fired, then
it kind of changed to floating

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his desk. So there was all sorts
of things that were that were

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not correct. While on April 24
of this year, I got in so did

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many others who were pushing for
answers. John Kirby, who's the

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Pentagon press secretary was at
the time, he stated we can

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confirm that Undersecretary of
Defense for intelligence, and

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Secretary Ron Moultrie has
directed the reassignment of Mr.

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Gary Reed to the Defense
Intelligence Agency. It should

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be noted, the DIA is an arm of
the DOD. So if you're fired from

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the DOD, especially if you're
slimy and sleazy. My guess is

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they're not going to move you to
some other office within the

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DOD, you're gone. It's like
working for a major corporation

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and somebody accuses you of
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essentially, you're found to be
that slummy guy. Chances are you

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probably won't just get a
promotion or move somewhere else

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in the same company, you're
going to be gone. So it was just

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weird, right? I mean, that like
the whole story was was just

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weird. In fact, it got weirder
in the Daily Mail because Luis

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Luis Elizondo then began to make
direct accusations and

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connecting the ousting of Gary
Reed. So regardless of him, you

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know, being fired or transferred
to the DIA, it was Elizondo who

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decided to take credit for that
outstaying some of the quotes

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from the Daily Mail quote, he
claims that Reid was under

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investigation for his treatment
of Elizondo as well as alleged

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sexual harassment of one of
Elizondo subordinates and

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several other sexual misconduct
claims. He again meaning

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Elizondo.

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Lou Elizondo, a former senior
staffer claims in an exclusive

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interview with dailymail.com and
the counter intelligence, excuse

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me, that the counter
intelligence chief is in the

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process of being dismissed for a
spat over UFOs and that his

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replacement is his alleged
mistress. So obviously Elizondo

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is the one that floated the
mistress was taking a hold of

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the position. So it was just a
weird claim to make but one that

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Elizondo felt that he could be
quoted on in the top of the

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article but Elizondo claims that
wasn't until the IG investigated

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his complaint of Reid's alleged
vendetta and smear campaign

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against him that Reid was
dismissed. So now Elizondo just

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goes for it. He says, It's My
complaint, the one that I

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submitted in 2021. It's not
until I did that, that read was

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dismissed and it was all about
UFOs. Well, that's fascinating

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to me. If that is true, the
problem is, no one can back that

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up. Not even Mr. Elizondo. Now
we can say until our face turns

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blue, that it was about UFOs.
And it was Elizondo is

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complaint. And that very well,
may be true. But there's one

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problem here. And that is the
Department of Defense Office of

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the Inspector General will not
openly comment that they've done

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in in an investigation on this
on Elizondo his complaint. So we

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are stuck with a very important
unanswered question. Was there

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an investigation? And has it
completed?

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Yes, that's one question, but
two parts. So that is

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unanswered. They, in my opinion,
I'd love to see an example and I

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will admit being wrong. If an
accusation is made against

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somebody, and the IG decides to
investigate it, I highly doubt

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they will take action until the
investigation or evaluation or

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inquiry or whatever you want to
call it is done. I think we can

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all agree on that. Right? If you
say so and so is inappropriate

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with me. The boss is not going
to go You're fired. And let's go

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ahead and investigate. No,
that's not going to happen. be

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put on leave without paying sure
with paid Sure. Lots of things

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can happen but not ousted, not
fired, like everybody's talking

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about. So what's going on? Why
can't anybody be clear on if

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this investigation even took
place? Let alone is it done? And

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that's why they took action?
Sadly, no one has come forward

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to prove that yet. I did ask the
journalist who wrote that for

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the Daily Mail. That was not
pretty one didn't respond at all

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the other did not appreciate me
questioning their reporting. So

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no proof was given. I will say
they said Elizondo said it so so

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when I kind of went back and
forth on social media saying

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Look can you can you guys back
it up. They essentially meaning

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the the one journalist that did
respond Christopher sharp said

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well Elizondo said that it's
attributed to him. I'm

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paraphrasing there but
essentially saying that you're

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that you're, you know, printed
source. So fine. It's going to

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fall on Elizondo, we have not
seen any proof yet. Brian Bender

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chimed into the conversation.
He's obviously been following

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this since day one, namely
because he's been around since

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day one when it came to the
Lewis Elizondo story. And even

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he fired back and said, and Tara
Jones does not have Gary Reed's

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job, Tara Jones would be the
mistress. Will they correct

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their story, meaning the Daily
Mail? I'd felt fall out of my

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chair. If they do. Essentially
he knows it's bunk. It's

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exaggerated, it's untrue, and
they won't correct it. It's a

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mess. Yet the source was Luis
Elizondo, we know that by the

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journalist and the writing so
why why are we setting up this

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entire narrative but can't prove
it guys likely a scumbag but

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that's not what we're talking
about. We need to actually prove

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that UFOs and Elizondo is
complaint led to his ousting. If

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it didn't, why are we making
claims that we can't back up

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when we can back it up? I'll be
the first to bring it to you.

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Back to the complaint. The next
person that Elizondo mentioned

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is Susan golf. Now Susan golf,
if you're not aware, is one of

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the Pentagon spokespeople. But
the sole Pentagon spokesperson

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who comments on UAP slash UFO
slash Luis Elizondo issues and a

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tip and OS AP and all that that
goes along with it. I've said it

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a million times on this channel,
but if you're not aware, she

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literally is the sole person.
Everything gets routed from the

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DIA from the Navy from the
Department of Defense. If it has

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something to do with UAP UFOs or
Luis Elizondo are a tip, right,

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it goes right to Susan golf. I'm
not gonna say that's a good or

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bad thing. It's bad because a
lot of times you can't get a

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response. But sometimes it's
also good it may add to being

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able to just go to one source,
but again, it's a question mark

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on if you get the answer, but
she has become the poster child

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of evil when it comes to the
Pentagon. I mean, if anybody

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looks on Twitter, you know, I'm
not exaggerating there. Because

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there are literally a pile of
memes that have been created by

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some very nasty people. Now, you
may not like Susan golf. You may

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not care for her. You may think
she's lying through her teeth,

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but there are some vicious
things going around about

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people. You including Susan golf
that I think shouldn't be

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involved in this conversation.
But that in turn has created

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this aura around her that she is
the one that is spearheading

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this movement against Luis
Elizondo, I don't believe that

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is founded. I don't think it's a
warranted accusation, but a lot

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of people will fall back that
she is the linchpin to this

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entire cover up, we have to
remember being a spokesperson is

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her job. And she is conveying a
message on behalf of the

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Department of Defense. That's
not me defending Susan as a

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person, but rather the position
that I've understood for quite a

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long time, what a spokesperson
does, and you don't have to care

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about Susan golf. But you do
have to care about the fact that

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she is speaking for the
department, not herself. So

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that's an important distinction
that I think a lot of people

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forget, if it turns out that she
is to be blamed for some of this

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cool, I will bring that to you
as well. But until then, she's

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just the spokesperson. She's the
messenger.

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The status here military
reserves, some civilian

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employee, very well could be
true. I know that she was I

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think a colonel Lieutenant
Colonel. Regardless, you know, I

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know she that she served in the
military, likely as a civilian

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employee, the rest was blank.
Here's her LinkedIn page. This

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is all public information. I've
never had the intention to

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Doc's, anybody. This is all
again, public. So that so she's

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easily found in that regard. But
I want to stop before I get to

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the third person named and
accused in the complaint, and

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talk about somebody who's not
accused and named in the

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complaint as somebody who's
filing and that is the guy who

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made the original statement that
started this entire avalanche of

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accusations against the Pentagon
that they were smearing Luis

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Elizondo, I am still open to the
fact that they are doing that.

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But this brings up a very
important question that nobody

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has been able to answer when the
since this IG complaint

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surfaced. Where is the
accusation against Christopher

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Sherwood? Now I would imagine a
lot of you are going Who's that?

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Well, if you've paid attention,
he's the original guy that said

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Mr. Elizondo had no
responsibilities with regard to

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the A tip program. While he
worked in Oh Usdi, the Office of

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Undersecretary of Defense for
intelligence up until the time

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he resigned, effective 10 for
2017. That was first printed by

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the intercept and journalist
Keith klore. Now, where is he in

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this complaint? You'll notice
he's mentioned and we'll go over

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that. So he's in it, but he's
not accused of any wrongdoing?

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Why not? There's no evidence
that Susan golf who later

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surfaced by the way, she was not
around when that when that

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comment first surface, at least
not publicly, I am open to her

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playing a role in it, but never
has that been attributed to her.

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What was attributed to her is
when she softened it. She later

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came out in a statement that was
first printed by myself, then

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picked up by the New York Post,
quote, Mr. Elizondo had no

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assigned responsibilities for a
tip while he was in Oh Usdi, the

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Office of Undersecretary of
Defense for intelligence so she

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softened it by adding the word
assigned to responsibilities

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essentially opening the door
that maybe Luis Elizondo did

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work on it, but he was never
assigned slash it was never

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official. That changes
obviously, a lot of that

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narrative, but it was her that
inserted that word and was later

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attributed that quote, but
again, Christopher Sherwood was

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the first to ever have been
attributed that particular we'll

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call it shot across the bow. And
when that first surfaced, I was

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shocked. I was really truly was.
There was already a lot of red

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flags at play. But when they
took that direct, pardon the

435
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,020
expression but just shot across
the bow, naming Luis Elizondo,

436
00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:31,770
stating that he did not do what
he was claiming to have done.

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00:29:32,130 --> 00:29:36,390
Where is Christopher Sherwood on
the list of those being accused

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00:29:36,390 --> 00:29:41,790
of wrongdoing, and he's absent.
Going back to the complaint, the

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third and final of who was
mentioned is Neil Tipton, likely

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00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,610
a lot of you have not heard of
him either. He was a civilian

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00:29:50,610 --> 00:29:55,740
employee as tagged here. Here's
his official DoD bio. Mr. Neal

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00:29:55,740 --> 00:29:58,470
Tipton serves as the director
for defense intelligence

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00:29:58,470 --> 00:30:01,830
collection and special program
his office of the Undersecretary

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00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:04,470
of Defense for intelligence, I'm
not gonna read the whole bio,

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but just I mean, listen to this.
It's just impressive when you

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read anybody's bio that has all
this. Mr. Tipton has been with

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00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:14,910
the office of the Undersecretary
of Defense. Since 2007, he has

448
00:30:14,910 --> 00:30:17,520
held a broad range of leadership
positions for the office

449
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,340
director clandestine operations,
Global Access, Mission

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Integration and director GEOINT
and cygan support director

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00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,210
information sharing and
partnership engagement, and IPT

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lead for information sharing and
collaboration for the SEC defs,

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ISR Task Force, Deputy Director
SIGINT and cyber and as a Usdi,

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Senior Advisor for technical
collection and it goes on for

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there from there. So I always
like to read those just to kind

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of give some background like
we're talking about some pretty

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00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:45,780
heavy hitters within the
Pentagon within the DOD and

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within these offices that are
being accused of wrongdoing. And

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in fact, I will let Luis
Elizondo tell you what the

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00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:57,630
accused I don't wanna say
charges, but essentially what

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the accusations are. In here,
what did the persons do or

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00:31:03,690 --> 00:31:05,910
failed to do? That was wrong?

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And in Mr. Elizondo, his words
conducted retribution and

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provided false information to
the public. Abusing government

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authority, illegal destruction
of information. When did the

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incidents occur? 2018 To present
when were you a made aware of

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00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:36,540
the problems 2017 Obviously a
mistake, because the problems

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didn't occur until a year after
he was made aware of them. That

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00:31:39,660 --> 00:31:44,070
doesn't make sense. I'm not
trying to nitpick, but these are

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serious accusations to make. So
we should nitpick. How can you

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find out a year prior? Where did
the incidents take place?

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00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:58,500
Pentagon? What rule regulation
or law do you believe to have

473
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:03,360
been violated Whistleblower
Protection Act, multiple DoD

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00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,350
directives, instructions and the
Freedom of Information Act.

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00:32:08,430 --> 00:32:11,790
briefly summarize how you
believe our office can assist

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00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:16,770
you regarding your matter. IG
should conduct a comprehensive

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00:32:16,770 --> 00:32:22,290
review, inquiry investigation
into abuse of power, lying to

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00:32:22,290 --> 00:32:26,850
the public destruction of
evidence, conspiracy. So those

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are his words. Mr. Elizondo also
said have you reported this

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00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:35,010
matter to any other organization
or agencies, Mr. Elizondo check?

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00:32:35,010 --> 00:32:38,580
No. I want to read these
certifications to you because

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this speaks volumes to a lot of
people. So I'll read to you this

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00:32:43,470 --> 00:32:47,190
just to make sure that you are
aware. Under the certifications.

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All three check boxes were
checked by Mr. Elizondo, and he

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00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:54,600
said the following, I certify
that all the statements made in

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this complaint are true,
complete and correct. To the

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00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,580
best of my knowledge, I
understand that a false

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00:32:59,580 --> 00:33:02,730
statement or concealment of a
material fact is a criminal

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offense 18, US Code section 1001
Inspector General Act of 1978 as

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00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,150
amended. Section seven, I've put
next checkbox I have provided my

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00:33:15,150 --> 00:33:19,200
election concerning my filing
status in part one of this form,

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release of identity non release
of identity or anonymous. If I

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00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:25,770
did not provide my release
election, I understand that this

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00:33:25,770 --> 00:33:28,620
will cause a delay in the
processing of my complaint. I

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00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:31,230
further understand that if I
have elected either confidential

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00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:34,740
or anonymous status, it may
impact the ability of the DoD

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00:33:34,740 --> 00:33:38,580
hotline to either conduct an
inquiry, if warranted, and or to

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00:33:38,580 --> 00:33:43,170
appropriately address my issues.
I also understand that if I

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00:33:43,170 --> 00:33:45,540
elect anonymity without
providing any contact

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00:33:45,540 --> 00:33:48,900
information, I will be unable to
request confirmation of receipt

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00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:51,870
of this complaint to the DoD
hotline or to receive

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00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:57,450
advisements as to open or closed
status. Last, I understand that

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00:33:57,450 --> 00:34:01,320
if the director DoD hotline to
terms determines the allegations

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00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,710
in my complaint cannot be
investigated without disclosing

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00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:08,400
my identity on a need to know
basis to organizations outside

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00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,970
the DoD hotline. My lack of
permission to release my

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00:34:11,970 --> 00:34:14,640
identity may prevent further
action from being taken on my

508
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,210
complaint. I further understand
that even if I let confidential

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00:34:18,210 --> 00:34:21,480
status, my identity may be
disclosed if required by

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00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,080
appropriate legal authority, or
if the director DoD hotline

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00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,310
determines that such disclosure
is other ways unavoidable. So he

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00:34:29,310 --> 00:34:31,770
checked all those boxes that
certifies what he's saying,

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00:34:31,950 --> 00:34:35,100
obviously, no penalty under
perjury or anything like that.

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00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:41,640
But it would be a violation of
the US code up here. So

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obviously a no no. So that goes
a long way with a lot of people.

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So I wanted to make sure that I
really did highlight that in his

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00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:49,710
defense.

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00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:54,780
going on in the complaint, this
was obviously submitted three

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00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:58,830
may 2021. If I haven't mentioned
that yet, you can see this is

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essentially the cover letter On
top of the complaint itself,

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00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,090
what we just went over were the
DoD hotline forms that needed to

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00:35:06,090 --> 00:35:11,250
be filled out. Here is his cover
letter from top to bottom. My

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00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:14,160
name is Luis de Elizondo. And
the purpose of this letter is to

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00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,950
request an official US
Department of Defense inspector

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00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:20,250
general inquiry slash
investigation into malicious

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00:35:20,250 --> 00:35:23,130
activities coordinated
disinformation, professional

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00:35:23,130 --> 00:35:26,160
misconduct, whistleblower
reprisal and explicit threats

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00:35:26,430 --> 00:35:29,220
perpetrated by certain senior
level Pentagon officials,

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00:35:29,550 --> 00:35:31,800
including the director of
Defense Intelligence for

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00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:36,060
intelligence and security, Gary
Reed, public affairs officer

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00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:39,300
Susan golf, and other officials
who were complicit in these

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00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:43,170
acts. And close with this letter
are details of the complaint for

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00:35:43,170 --> 00:35:46,440
your review. The first portion
is a comprehensive chronological

534
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,170
listing of events that
substantiate my involvement in

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00:35:49,170 --> 00:35:52,410
the advanced aerospace threat
identification program or a tip.

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00:35:52,830 --> 00:35:56,280
The second portion is a detailed
listing of events and actions to

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00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,920
substantiate this complaint
along with evidence would

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00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,850
suggest a coordinated effort to
obfuscate the truth from the

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00:36:02,850 --> 00:36:06,690
American people. Why impugning
my reputation as a former

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00:36:06,690 --> 00:36:10,140
intelligence officer at the
Pentagon. These negative actions

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00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:13,470
against me have resulted in
great personal and professional

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00:36:13,470 --> 00:36:17,010
challenges to me and my family.
Over the last three years.

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00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:20,880
Attempts to clear the record by
some senior officials, serving

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00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,330
as witnesses to this abuse have
been ignored by certain elements

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00:36:24,330 --> 00:36:27,840
within the Office of the
Secretary of Defense staff,

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00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,450
namely within the Office of the
Undersecretary of Defense for

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00:36:30,450 --> 00:36:33,330
intelligence. Furthermore,
evidence exists that

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00:36:33,330 --> 00:36:36,330
substantiates my claim that
there may be deeper conspiracy

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00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,410
within the OSD staff to
circumvent DoD policy rules and

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00:36:40,410 --> 00:36:44,370
regulations and perhaps even
law. at a very minimum actions

551
00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:46,800
have been taken against me that
directly erode the very

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00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,950
foundation of our national
security, ethos, and the public

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00:36:49,950 --> 00:36:53,610
trust instilled by the American
people. I'm fully aware of the

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00:36:53,610 --> 00:36:56,370
magnitude of my allegation
against certain individuals in

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00:36:56,370 --> 00:37:01,770
the department. And I am able to
substantiate these claims, as

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00:37:01,770 --> 00:37:04,530
reprisals continued to be
leveled towards me. I

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00:37:04,530 --> 00:37:09,480
respectfully request DoD IG
conduct, conduct a comprehensive

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00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,870
review of all related activities
against me over the last three

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00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:16,170
years and correct the record of
my involvement in the advanced

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00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:21,660
aerospace threat Identification
Program. sincerest regards very

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00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:28,740
respectively, Luis de Elizondo
enclosures see attached. So

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00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:33,090
let's get into now, his
complaint and the meat of it.

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This, as he stated was, first
the chronological outline

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00:37:38,010 --> 00:37:44,550
proving what he has essentially
claimed. Now you have to keep in

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00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:50,250
mind, this is him putting on
paper, what he has conveyed,

566
00:37:50,370 --> 00:37:54,210
sometimes in part, but there's
also a lot of new information as

567
00:37:54,210 --> 00:37:58,050
well, but sometimes in part and
podcasts and interviews and so

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00:37:58,050 --> 00:38:01,860
on. This doesn't necessarily
lock it into stone. Now, I know

569
00:38:01,860 --> 00:38:04,800
some of you may cringe at me
saying that, but one of the

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00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,110
biggest reactions I saw when
people read through this

571
00:38:07,110 --> 00:38:10,350
chronology was ah, See, I told
you, you know, this is he's

572
00:38:10,350 --> 00:38:12,900
telling the truth. Well, no,
this is just putting into

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00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:15,120
writing with some names that
have been

574
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,120
stated here, with also other
names being redacted. My

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00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,550
question is, where are those
other names if they can

576
00:38:23,550 --> 00:38:27,600
essentially backup, what Mr.
Elizondo is stating, I know some

577
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,840
people fireback with Harry Reid,
but Harry Reid stated he was

578
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,790
never briefed ever on a tip. So
how can he really speak on

579
00:38:35,790 --> 00:38:39,150
authority? I know that we have
others that have backed him up

580
00:38:39,150 --> 00:38:42,060
also people that were not
directly involved. I want to

581
00:38:42,060 --> 00:38:45,690
know from these people, what's
going on the people again, the

582
00:38:45,690 --> 00:38:48,960
names that we can see, and the
names we can't let's get them on

583
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,050
the record. Where have they been
for the last five years, even

584
00:38:52,050 --> 00:38:55,920
though some of them have worked?
Since for the DOD, and I

585
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,410
understand if they can't come
out yet. Others we know though,

586
00:38:58,410 --> 00:39:02,520
have retired and yet they have
remained mum. I want to know

587
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,690
why. There could be a very good
explanation for it. But I think

588
00:39:06,690 --> 00:39:09,150
it should be pointed out that we
have a lot of information here

589
00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:12,960
with a lot of names, but where
are they? And that's what I what

590
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,900
I essentially want to know.
Let's get into it. This document

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00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:19,620
is unclassified. Additional
classified details slash

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00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:22,290
information which provides
specific critical context can be

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00:39:22,290 --> 00:39:26,550
provided over an appropriate ly
secure and accredited means and

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00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:29,790
with a demonstrated need to know
this portion is provided for the

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00:39:29,790 --> 00:39:32,790
purposes of establishing the
facts, dates and points of

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00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:36,300
contact that can verify and
validate my involvement with a

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00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:41,220
tip. June 2008. While assigned
as chief to the information

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00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:45,630
sharing and foreign intelligence
relationships or is Fitr Office,

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00:39:45,930 --> 00:39:49,050
Office of the Undersecretary of
Defense for intelligence, I was

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00:39:49,050 --> 00:39:51,780
approached by representatives
from the advanced aerospace

601
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,860
weapon system applications
program or OSS app, to provide

602
00:39:55,860 --> 00:39:58,650
counter intelligence and
security expertise to their

603
00:39:58,650 --> 00:40:03,120
office. The two individuals whom
I engaged with were identified

604
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:08,040
as both being part of the RCEP.
Effort, Mr. J. Stratton and

605
00:40:08,070 --> 00:40:13,710
redacted. Both these individuals
were so in. We're in I'm sorry,

606
00:40:13,710 --> 00:40:17,850
this, the blackout is a little
bit over the words here. Both

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00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:20,850
these individuals were an
integral part of the OS app

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00:40:20,850 --> 00:40:24,450
effort. Our initial meeting
occurred in my office at

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00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,280
redacted contact info, Mr. J.
Stratton. Contact Info, a

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00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,510
redacted name, contact info a
redacted name. Jay Stratton,

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00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:37,110
you'll remember who is now
retired made headlines as being

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00:40:37,110 --> 00:40:43,770
the head of the UAP Task Force.
I long suspected that got

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00:40:43,770 --> 00:40:47,730
documented proof from NASA quite
some time ago. And then it was

614
00:40:47,730 --> 00:40:52,470
also named, I believe in the
mainstream media. But I think

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00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:55,740
Brendan mckernon was was the
other one that was that was

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00:40:55,740 --> 00:40:58,830
named, and you'll see his name
coming up too. But that if

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00:40:58,830 --> 00:41:01,380
you're not familiar with John F.
Stratton, that's who that is.

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00:41:01,620 --> 00:41:04,650
And in fact, for you fans of
skinwalkers at the Pentagon out

619
00:41:04,650 --> 00:41:09,180
there a lot of people believe
that to be Axelrod I have no

620
00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:13,470
evidence to support or, or go
against it. I have no idea but

621
00:41:13,470 --> 00:41:16,020
just kind of throwing that out
that that's who our people are

622
00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:20,040
talking about. Back to the
complaint for approximately two

623
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,620
weeks three meetings were held
in my office. During the

624
00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:25,260
meetings, it was revealed to me
that OSS app was in need of

625
00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:28,860
specific counterintelligence,
and security support, and that

626
00:41:28,860 --> 00:41:32,880
my background as a credential CI
Special Agent was a necessary

627
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,050
skill set. Furthermore, they
indicated they required the

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00:41:37,050 --> 00:41:41,100
required they required expertise
in specific aerospace

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00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:45,690
technology. At the time, neither
Mr. Stratton nor redacted,

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00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:49,710
elaborated on the purpose or
mission of OS app, but they

631
00:41:49,710 --> 00:41:53,370
indicated that upon a successful
evaluation, I'd be referred to

632
00:41:53,370 --> 00:41:55,710
the director of the program for
further vetting and

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00:41:55,710 --> 00:41:56,580
consideration.

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00:41:58,710 --> 00:42:02,070
A month later, July 2008, after
several personal meetings in my

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00:42:02,070 --> 00:42:05,790
office based Mr. Stratton and
redacted invited me to meet with

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00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:10,320
the OS app director, Dr. James
McCaskey. I was subsequently

637
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,260
provided directions to an
undisclosed Defense Intelligence

638
00:42:13,290 --> 00:42:18,120
Agency facility in the Rosalyn
area. I'm surprised that's in

639
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,150
there to be honest with you.
That's not to the fault of the

640
00:42:21,150 --> 00:42:25,050
New York Post when they
published this but rather Mr

641
00:42:25,050 --> 00:42:28,710
Elizondo, putting it in a
unclassified document about a

642
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:33,300
undisclosed dia facility in
Roslyn. That's maybe another

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00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:36,180
video for another time.
Classified details can be

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00:42:36,180 --> 00:42:39,360
provided over secure means, and
with a demonstrated need to

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00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,260
know. During the meeting, I met
with Dr. McCaskey and I was

646
00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:47,430
asked to address him as Jim, Dr.
McCaskey introduced himself as

647
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:50,400
an expert in missile technology
and as the director for the

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00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,000
offset program. It was during
this meeting that Dr. McCaskey

649
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,320
provided me the full name of the
OSS app portfolio and the focus

650
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,430
of the mission. Dr. Luke Caskey
explained to me my background in

651
00:43:02,430 --> 00:43:06,900
the counterintelligence field,
along with my expertise, excuse

652
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:10,290
me experience, working with
advanced aviation technology

653
00:43:10,290 --> 00:43:14,550
from a tech protect perspective,
made me uniquely qualified to

654
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:17,760
support him. He further
explained that offset was part

655
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,850
of a very sensitive effort that
was sponsored by very senior

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00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:23,940
level officials at both the
legislative and executive

657
00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:27,540
branches. He further indicated
to me that all personnel were

658
00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:31,290
hand selected. During our
discussion, Dr. McCaskey asked

659
00:43:31,290 --> 00:43:37,260
me what I think about UFOs my
response was sincere and that I

660
00:43:37,260 --> 00:43:40,890
quote, I don't think about UFOs
not because I don't believe in

661
00:43:40,890 --> 00:43:43,710
them, but because I simply do
not have the luxury to think

662
00:43:43,710 --> 00:43:48,000
about them given my mission up
tempo or operations, tempo or

663
00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:51,240
operational tempo, whichever
acronym you want to go with, and

664
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:57,630
mission focus. Also July 2008,
after one additional follow on

665
00:43:57,630 --> 00:44:01,170
meeting with Dr. McCaskey at his
office space and Roslyn, I was

666
00:44:01,170 --> 00:44:04,800
officially asked by Dr. McCaskey
to assume the role of OSS apps

667
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,900
chief of counterintelligence and
security. He explained to me

668
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:12,840
that this effort was fully
endorsed by senior dia

669
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,050
leadership, and he had already
received approval by the

670
00:44:16,050 --> 00:44:19,830
program's sponsors. former
Senate Majority Leader Harry

671
00:44:19,830 --> 00:44:25,200
Reid, Senator Ted Stevens, and
Senator Daniel Inouye. What's

672
00:44:25,230 --> 00:44:32,370
odd about this is the insertion
and endorsement of a DIA

673
00:44:32,370 --> 00:44:39,300
decision by Senators. The DIA is
a military intelligence arm. You

674
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:44,160
generally don't have senators
wielding their power and calling

675
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:50,640
the shots once the programs are
underway. Of course, they play a

676
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,120
role in the funding. Of course,
they may play a role, I guess,

677
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,140
and kind of the execution in the
beginning. But their senators

678
00:44:58,170 --> 00:45:02,070
they're not directors they're
not program managers, and they

679
00:45:02,070 --> 00:45:05,670
don't wield the power of a
military intelligence arm. So

680
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:10,530
why they would be essentially
named here? Maybe they were

681
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,180
being briefed. But keep in mind
that Harry Reid already told New

682
00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:18,480
York Magazine in the last couple
of years prior to his passing,

683
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:22,470
that he was never briefed on a
tip or, or essentially all SAP.

684
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:27,450
So where are we getting the
endorsement from if he's not

685
00:45:27,450 --> 00:45:31,620
being briefed? And according to
him, in his own words, none of

686
00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:35,730
that was his style. So he stayed
out of it. These are all things

687
00:45:35,730 --> 00:45:38,790
that just don't make sense when
you look at what people say. And

688
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:42,090
then you look at this complaint
and what is being claimed. Now,

689
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,480
I'm not saying Mr. Elizondo is
making this up. But rather maybe

690
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,720
he was hearing false information
like Yeah, Senator Harry Reid's

691
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:52,140
all over this, when in reality,
Harry Reid had nothing to do

692
00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:54,900
with it. Well, that was
according to Harry Reid. But

693
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:58,890
then now he's an authority
before his passing, being asked

694
00:45:58,890 --> 00:46:02,760
to endorse Mr. Elizondo his role
in this, it's kind of a mess

695
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:06,090
again, you know, you can beat
these dead horses. But you have

696
00:46:06,090 --> 00:46:09,660
to nitpick at this level,
because we're making accusations

697
00:46:09,690 --> 00:46:14,100
against people. And we're making
claims that just don't make

698
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:18,000
sense when you look at the
totality of the evidence, and

699
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:24,180
testimony that's available to
us. I also want to point out one

700
00:46:24,210 --> 00:46:30,720
tweet that in May of 2021, Luis
Elizondo made about all SAP.

701
00:46:31,380 --> 00:46:33,420
Now, apparently, there was

702
00:46:34,770 --> 00:46:37,620
some frustration, or at least
that's how I read his tweet

703
00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:42,210
here, that he felt the need to
go to Twitter, and to squash the

704
00:46:42,210 --> 00:46:46,440
myth that he was involved with
OS app. And he says, and I'll

705
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,870
quote, it's been brought to my
attention that despite my

706
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:53,310
constant assertion in the media,
about my non involvement in all

707
00:46:53,310 --> 00:46:56,640
SAP, some are under the false
impression that I was a part of

708
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,410
it for the record again, and
again, I was not part of all

709
00:47:01,410 --> 00:47:10,410
SAP. That's strange, because
that was May 10 2021, within a

710
00:47:10,410 --> 00:47:14,700
week of him submitting all these
chronological details on his

711
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:17,700
involvement with us app. Now,
for those of you who have

712
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:20,970
watched even green streets
documentary on the New York Post

713
00:47:20,970 --> 00:47:24,840
channel in the basement office,
he did a great job breaking all

714
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,920
of this down. But I think the
point needs to be looked at

715
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,480
again, as we go through this
complaint, word by word, and and

716
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,710
see that that is not necessarily
the case. Now, before some of

717
00:47:37,710 --> 00:47:40,890
you throw bad comments my way,
I'll get to Mr. Elizondo

718
00:47:41,250 --> 00:47:45,990
response to the response when he
addressed those allegations, but

719
00:47:46,110 --> 00:47:50,730
sit tight for that. August 2008.
While supporting the RCEP

720
00:47:50,730 --> 00:47:53,580
effort, I was informed by Dr. Le
Caskey, and other offset

721
00:47:53,580 --> 00:47:56,490
personnel about a specific
effort within the portfolio,

722
00:47:57,390 --> 00:48:00,510
known as the advanced aerospace
threat Identification Program,

723
00:48:00,510 --> 00:48:05,280
and that most of my efforts
would be focused on that aspect

724
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,300
of the project. I was informed
that this effort involved

725
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:13,680
collecting data and evidence
from military personnel who came

726
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,370
into contact with unidentified
aerial phenomena, a term that

727
00:48:17,370 --> 00:48:20,730
was then explained to me as the
government nomenclature for

728
00:48:20,730 --> 00:48:25,230
unidentified flying objects.
Furthermore, I was asked to

729
00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:28,020
develop a comprehensive
counterintelligence and security

730
00:48:28,020 --> 00:48:31,410
plan for this effort to protect
the program from possible

731
00:48:31,410 --> 00:48:34,680
Foreign Intelligence Service
penetrations. That part makes

732
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,100
sense? And yes, he even said I'm
gonna focus on the ATM aspect of

733
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:42,930
this. We can also throw in the
fact that a couple people said

734
00:48:42,930 --> 00:48:47,190
that a tip was just a nickname
for ASA. So now we are playing

735
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:49,560
semantics a little bit, but the
people that were involved in

736
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,610
these programs can't agree with
the structure of the programs

737
00:48:53,610 --> 00:48:58,950
themselves. Dr. McCaskey and Dr.
Hal put off have both said, a

738
00:48:58,950 --> 00:49:03,750
tip was just a nickname for the
OS app effort here. Clearly, Mr.

739
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:07,080
Elizondo is trying to
differentiate the two. What's

740
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,590
right, what's wrong? I'll let
you decide. But it's still a

741
00:49:10,590 --> 00:49:16,650
mess. And it's an important
mess. Just again, I won't go

742
00:49:16,650 --> 00:49:19,530
into why I've done that quite a
few times on this channel. But

743
00:49:19,530 --> 00:49:21,150
there's some of you, you're
scratching your head going,

744
00:49:21,150 --> 00:49:25,050
well, who cares? From a
standpoint of trying to unravel

745
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:30,420
all of this? It is absolutely
critical to figure out the

746
00:49:30,420 --> 00:49:33,900
difference between OSS AP and a
tip. Was it a nickname? Was it

747
00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:36,720
not? Were they two different
programs? And depending upon who

748
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:40,350
you listen to, you get multiple
answers. And that's what makes

749
00:49:40,350 --> 00:49:43,440
it very difficult to try and
figure out especially when

750
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,960
you're trying to find evidence,
what really is going on

751
00:49:47,370 --> 00:49:52,560
September 2008 to June 2009.
During this time, I created a

752
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,250
counterintelligence and security
posture for both OSS, AP and a

753
00:49:56,250 --> 00:49:59,580
tip. Furthermore, I attended
senior level debriefings,

754
00:49:59,580 --> 00:50:03,930
including In one with a foreign,
a former foreign military member

755
00:50:03,930 --> 00:50:08,400
with a general officer rank that
was arranged by Dr. McCaskey. I

756
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,550
was also present for numerous
written updates by Dr. McCaskey

757
00:50:11,550 --> 00:50:15,840
to the director of DIA and other
senior dia officials regarding

758
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,070
OSS AP, a tip, which were well
received. Ample correspondence

759
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:24,180
exists between dia senior staff
and Dr. Le Caskey. That

760
00:50:24,180 --> 00:50:28,350
substantiates dia leadership was
not only supportive, but also in

761
00:50:28,350 --> 00:50:33,390
favor of the OS app a tiff
efforts being expanded efforts

762
00:50:33,390 --> 00:50:36,510
to be expanded. I am personally
aware of both meetings and

763
00:50:36,510 --> 00:50:40,470
briefings in which OS app and a
tip were discussed. And I was

764
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:44,100
privy to several classified
emails that substantiate this

765
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:47,640
fact. Those emails still exist
within a specific office of the

766
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,510
Pentagon in both electronic and
hard copies. Details on

767
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:55,110
specifics as to this information
can be provided separately over

768
00:50:55,410 --> 00:50:58,980
a secure means. It was during
this time we also conducted a

769
00:50:58,980 --> 00:51:03,510
review over a draft 10 month
report executed by one of the

770
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:07,290
prime contractors, Bigelow
Aerospace details and specifics

771
00:51:07,290 --> 00:51:11,790
as to this information can be
provided separately over a

772
00:51:11,790 --> 00:51:14,880
secure means. Let me just
interject here. This is the 10

773
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,190
month report that a lot of
people talk about that's talked

774
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:20,460
about in skinwalkers, at the
Pentagon, that the cover page

775
00:51:20,460 --> 00:51:24,450
was leaked and was reviewed by a
journalist if we're alluding to

776
00:51:24,450 --> 00:51:28,650
the 10 month report and details
within being classified, hence

777
00:51:28,650 --> 00:51:32,550
why he can't discuss it more
meaning Mr. Elizondo in this

778
00:51:32,550 --> 00:51:34,050
unclassified document,

779
00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:39,450
then there's something wrong,
because there was no indicator

780
00:51:39,450 --> 00:51:42,840
that that 10 month report was
even a government document, let

781
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:49,050
alone classified. Would it be
exempt? Maybe we can argue that

782
00:51:49,050 --> 00:51:51,720
in a different video, and that
just kind of gets into legal

783
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:56,160
mumbo jumbo, but no indicator
that it was classified. There's

784
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,910
even no indicator again that it
was a government document. So

785
00:51:59,940 --> 00:52:06,000
why the reference to the needed
to be under secure means, I

786
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,050
don't know, maybe maybe that's
less about classification more

787
00:52:10,590 --> 00:52:13,350
about what was going on with a
government contractor that can't

788
00:52:13,350 --> 00:52:17,940
be in a unclassified document.
And that would be exempt but not

789
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:21,750
classified under FOIA. Sure, I
can buy that. But that's just

790
00:52:21,810 --> 00:52:23,880
like there's a couple things
that just don't make sense

791
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,980
there. June 2009, it was brought
to my attention that a request

792
00:52:28,980 --> 00:52:31,650
was sent by former Senate
Majority Leader Harry Reid to

793
00:52:31,650 --> 00:52:35,490
DOD senior leadership leadership
to further protect a tip by

794
00:52:35,490 --> 00:52:38,070
requesting the effort be
transitioned into a protected

795
00:52:38,070 --> 00:52:41,490
Special Access Program.
Furthermore, I was informed that

796
00:52:41,490 --> 00:52:44,490
key individuals that were
associated with a tip were

797
00:52:44,490 --> 00:52:47,940
included slash listed as part of
the request for SAP protection,

798
00:52:48,210 --> 00:52:51,540
my name being one of those
individuals. The request was

799
00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:54,900
sent from Senator Harry Reid to
the Deputy Secretary of Defense

800
00:52:55,140 --> 00:52:59,340
through official correspondence
channels. That's the Harry Reid

801
00:52:59,340 --> 00:53:03,540
letter, which I've done videos
on. Interesting story, but

802
00:53:03,540 --> 00:53:07,740
that's what he's referring to
there. July 2009, to January

803
00:53:07,740 --> 00:53:13,290
2010. New Leadership at DIA
began to create challenges for

804
00:53:13,290 --> 00:53:16,290
Dr. McCaskey despite the
previous leadership fully

805
00:53:16,290 --> 00:53:21,540
endorsing the efforts. redacted
was the redacted of DIA and

806
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:25,350
began attempts to shut down the
effort. As was explained to me

807
00:53:25,350 --> 00:53:28,650
by colleagues, there was a
religious aversion to the

808
00:53:28,650 --> 00:53:33,030
subject matter by certain
members of DIA and the OSD

809
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:37,530
staff. In September 2009, I was
privy to an internal email

810
00:53:37,530 --> 00:53:43,230
between redacted and oh Usdi
Congressional Affairs, redacted.

811
00:53:43,230 --> 00:53:48,000
We're both were both were
lamenting the existence of the

812
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,300
programs. And we're attempting
to, quote kill the effort,

813
00:53:51,540 --> 00:53:55,770
because it involves that crazy
UFO topic again. In October

814
00:53:55,770 --> 00:54:00,510
2009, I was asked to attend a
meeting within the OS Oh Usdi

815
00:54:00,510 --> 00:54:04,350
sabko spaces in which I was told
specifically, that this effort

816
00:54:04,350 --> 00:54:08,130
should be discontinued, and that
although this topic was real, it

817
00:54:08,130 --> 00:54:11,550
had supernatural origins, and
not consistent with certain

818
00:54:11,550 --> 00:54:15,960
religious views of specific
senior leadership. I reported

819
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:22,080
the results of this meeting to
Dr. McCaskey. February 2010 to

820
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:26,520
April 2010. Dr. McCaskey
indicated to me that he was

821
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,910
facing increased pressure by dia
leadership and he would be

822
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:33,000
forced to resign from his duties
as the director of OSS, AP and a

823
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,830
tip and returned to headquarters
dia Dr. McCaskey was in poor

824
00:54:37,830 --> 00:54:40,710
spirits at the time because he
believed he was being unfairly

825
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:47,010
persecuted for his role and an
authorized mission. April 2010,

826
00:54:47,010 --> 00:54:49,650
Dr. McCaskey approached me and
asked if I would consider

827
00:54:49,650 --> 00:54:54,360
assuming the role of OSS AP and
a tip director. I reminded Dr

828
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,540
McCaskey that most of my
experience concern the ATEP

829
00:54:57,540 --> 00:55:01,860
portfolio and then I only worked
on SAP from 10 Dead tangential

830
00:55:01,860 --> 00:55:06,210
position perspective. Dr. The
cat skis response to me was that

831
00:55:06,210 --> 00:55:09,570
he already had my name floated
as the new director of

832
00:55:09,570 --> 00:55:14,190
leadership and that it was
unanimously agreed by all that I

833
00:55:14,190 --> 00:55:17,700
should be the new director. He
also suggested that I managed

834
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:23,310
the manage the effort under my
authorities as a member of the

835
00:55:23,310 --> 00:55:27,030
OSD staff, and not keep it
within dia due to hostile

836
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:31,920
environment he was experiencing.
After a day of considering his

837
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,010
offer, I accepted the
responsibility provided that all

838
00:55:35,010 --> 00:55:38,850
stakeholders supported this
decision. I also informed Dr.

839
00:55:38,850 --> 00:55:42,060
McCaskey that I would begin to
engage with select o Usdi.

840
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,530
Senior staff members to gain
additional mission support.

841
00:55:48,210 --> 00:55:55,950
May 10 to May 10, excuse me, May
2010. To August 2012. In my new

842
00:55:55,950 --> 00:56:00,330
role as director for a tip and
OS app, I made the decision to

843
00:56:00,330 --> 00:56:03,900
begin minimizing existing
efforts within the OS app

844
00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:07,740
portfolio given the negative
attention that was receiving by

845
00:56:07,740 --> 00:56:13,200
dia leadership, a reminder
again, that for more than two

846
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:18,270
years, in his chronological
breakdown, he was the director

847
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:22,020
of OSS, AP, and even though he
states that he was essentially

848
00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:25,860
minimizing that part of the
effort, he obviously still

849
00:56:25,860 --> 00:56:30,480
played a role. To what extent we
don't know according to him,

850
00:56:30,540 --> 00:56:34,830
absolutely none. Then all of a
sudden, for more than two years.

851
00:56:35,010 --> 00:56:39,000
He's listing himself as the
director of both programs. But

852
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,200
keep in mind, the director, the
former director of OSS app,

853
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:47,430
including Dr. Hal put off said
they were the exact same thing,

854
00:56:47,610 --> 00:56:54,600
but a nickname. Go figure. I
want to get to his tweets,

855
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:59,670
because after the New York Post,
aired their video, and pointed

856
00:56:59,670 --> 00:57:05,340
some of these things out. Mr.
Elizondo got a little frustrated

857
00:57:05,340 --> 00:57:11,220
again, and fired back. This was
his tweet thread. He doesn't do

858
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:13,890
them in tweet threads the way
you normally do tweet threads,

859
00:57:13,890 --> 00:57:17,520
you kind of tweets out a bunch
of numbers, and sometimes kind

860
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,880
of skips numbers. So you have to
go back to his timeline. This is

861
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,870
it pieced together. This is what
he said on May 12. Against my

862
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:28,020
better judgment, I'm climbing
down into the morass to address

863
00:57:28,020 --> 00:57:31,560
yet another mischaracterization
based on cherry picking of

864
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,910
information. I've always
maintained that I was only 10.

865
00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:40,830
Jen, Chile can never pronounce
that word right involved in OS

866
00:57:40,830 --> 00:57:44,430
app. And my focus was on
standing up a CI and security

867
00:57:44,430 --> 00:57:48,450
capability for a tip in 2010.
When asked to take over a tip,

868
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:51,450
the OS app portfolio came with
it even though I had no

869
00:57:51,450 --> 00:57:56,310
problematic or operational
involvement and OS app. within

870
00:57:56,310 --> 00:57:59,670
24 hours, my deputy and myself
decided we would only focus on

871
00:57:59,670 --> 00:58:02,640
the ATF portion of the effort,
which is precisely what

872
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,090
happened. In the future. I
encourage folks to be cognizant

873
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,200
of individuals with agendas.
This is a complex issue. People

874
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,960
who were not there or part of
the effort at the time simply

875
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,100
don't know. Fortunately, the DoD
IG is aware of the relevant

876
00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:20,250
details. And as I have
maintained, the truth will be

877
00:58:20,250 --> 00:58:23,940
proven in the end. Be cautious
of people bearing false witness.

878
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:28,770
My involvement in SAP was only a
name as a matter of proforma

879
00:58:28,770 --> 00:58:32,340
because it was the broader
effort initially. Remember, just

880
00:58:32,340 --> 00:58:35,730
because you work on the Corvette
assembly line doesn't mean you

881
00:58:35,730 --> 00:58:39,600
are involved in all Chevy
products. I don't believe that

882
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:46,890
that last statement is relevant
as as kind of a comparison. You

883
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:54,690
can see here when he posted this
on Twitter. The conversation,

884
00:58:55,290 --> 00:59:00,060
again was about his words versus
his words. And what doesn't make

885
00:59:00,060 --> 00:59:03,120
sense here is he obviously went
into detail about creating

886
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:08,220
security plans and all this
stuff for OS app that's being

887
00:59:08,220 --> 00:59:12,840
part of it. So why then in the
previous year, was he so adamant

888
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,620
about saying I had no
involvement whatsoever? Here he

889
00:59:16,620 --> 00:59:20,940
says DoD IG is aware and they
are aware in his own

890
00:59:20,940 --> 00:59:24,060
chronological breakdown, being
the director for more than two

891
00:59:24,060 --> 00:59:28,560
years, granted, saying that he
then waited his attention to the

892
00:59:28,590 --> 00:59:32,460
A tip side versus OS app. But
what's interesting is he says

893
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,540
people who were not there or
part of the effort at the time

894
00:59:36,540 --> 00:59:39,960
simply don't know. We'll find we
can take them out of the

895
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,630
equation me Stephen Green
Street, Mick West, whomever

896
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:46,440
wants to be labeled as a evil
skeptic to some of these claims.

897
00:59:46,530 --> 00:59:49,560
That's all well and good.
Problem is the people that were

898
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:54,630
there. Dr. James McCaskey Dr.
How put off I believe Dr. Even

899
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:57,810
Dr. Eric Davis had said that it
was a nickname. They all

900
00:59:57,810 --> 01:00:02,010
disagree about the hierarchy and
release kinship between OSS AP

901
01:00:02,010 --> 01:00:07,050
and a tip as a program and as an
overall effort? Yes, it's

902
01:00:07,050 --> 01:00:10,800
important to the story. Because
if he is completely drilling

903
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,700
home that people were not there,
they just don't know. Why can't

904
01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:19,380
we address the people that were
there? Do they not know? There's

905
01:00:19,380 --> 01:00:22,950
a lot of other questions that go
along with that posed by those

906
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:26,010
who were there like the funding,
for example, when, in

907
01:00:26,010 --> 01:00:28,680
skinwalkers, at the Pentagon,
the former director of OSS AP

908
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,100
said, a tip didn't have any
funding. Then Luis Elizondo

909
01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:36,780
comes around and says, Yes, we
did. A tip was said to have $22

910
01:00:36,780 --> 01:00:40,770
million, as published by The New
York Times, right. Luis Elizondo

911
01:00:40,770 --> 01:00:43,680
stood up in front of the MUFON
audience that was taped by to

912
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,820
the stars Academy and sent out
as as kind of a history of the A

913
01:00:47,820 --> 01:00:52,320
tip program, talking about the
$22 million, what it bought, and

914
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:57,000
he outlined all the objectives.
It echoed all SAP, almost

915
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,950
verbatim, pretty much verbatim.
Yet he didn't have any role in

916
01:01:01,950 --> 01:01:06,450
it. So where did that money come
from? That he was talking about,

917
01:01:06,510 --> 01:01:10,260
again, it's a mess. So the
people that were involved, and

918
01:01:10,260 --> 01:01:12,630
you look at what was said, you
look at what was in the

919
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:18,750
complaint, none of it matches
up. To continue on from page

920
01:01:18,750 --> 01:01:23,580
three to four in that. First
part of the chronology it was my

921
01:01:23,580 --> 01:01:26,220
observation that key elements
within dia were attempting to

922
01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:30,210
hide anything related to OS app
simply due to perceived sense of

923
01:01:30,210 --> 01:01:35,160
stigma. As such, I focused on
our remaining I focused our

924
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,770
remaining efforts on a tip given
that there was ample

925
01:01:37,770 --> 01:01:41,130
information, data and evidence,
which we continued to receive

926
01:01:41,130 --> 01:01:44,430
that indicated continued
incursion into controlled us

927
01:01:44,430 --> 01:01:47,820
airspace, both continental
United States and outside the

928
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:51,180
continental United States.
details and specifics as to this

929
01:01:51,180 --> 01:01:55,410
information can be provided
separately over a secure means.

930
01:01:58,260 --> 01:02:00,900
During this time period, my
office had multiple meetings

931
01:02:00,900 --> 01:02:05,100
with eyewitnesses to to include
pilots, radar operators, and

932
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:08,970
ship's crew. Furthermore, emails
were being sent to my office at

933
01:02:08,970 --> 01:02:12,570
the classified level over the
secure Internet Protocol router

934
01:02:12,570 --> 01:02:15,870
network or sipper net, and joint
worldwide intelligence

935
01:02:15,870 --> 01:02:19,380
communications J works
concerning incidents involving

936
01:02:19,410 --> 01:02:23,190
unidentified aerial phenomena
activity. There were numerous

937
01:02:23,220 --> 01:02:26,010
emails from senior military
service members and leadership

938
01:02:26,010 --> 01:02:29,850
that substantiate the fact that
the threat was real. The email

939
01:02:29,850 --> 01:02:33,750
still exist with an O Usdi.
details and specifics as to this

940
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:37,230
information can be provided
separately over secure means.

941
01:02:38,220 --> 01:02:43,260
September 2012. As initial
funding was exhausted for the A

942
01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:46,140
tip program, we successfully
secured an additional $10

943
01:02:46,140 --> 01:02:50,130
million through Senate Majority
Leader Harry Reid. This funding

944
01:02:50,130 --> 01:02:54,600
was to be used for fiscal years
13 and 14. However, the verbiage

945
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,110
used in the appropriations was
sufficiently vague, wherein

946
01:02:58,140 --> 01:03:02,880
another office with an O Usdi,
managed by redacted use the

947
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,510
funding to support academic
studies involving intelligence,

948
01:03:06,750 --> 01:03:12,930
surveillance and reconnaissance
October 2013, while also working

949
01:03:12,930 --> 01:03:15,630
as chief for the newly formed
intelligence sharing and partner

950
01:03:15,630 --> 01:03:19,920
engagement office, under the Oh
Usdi I have the opportunity to

951
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:24,180
brief a tip to the director of
foreign material, oh Usdi,

952
01:03:24,300 --> 01:03:28,620
redacted. During 2013. I
introduced him to other members

953
01:03:28,620 --> 01:03:32,700
of a tip and it scientists
redacted attended numerous a tip

954
01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:36,120
meetings where we discussed the
role of DOD FMA efforts to

955
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,330
support a tip along with
logistics and facilities,

956
01:03:39,630 --> 01:03:42,480
details and specifics as to this
information can provided

957
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,050
separately over secure means. It
was at this time I informed my

958
01:03:46,050 --> 01:03:50,520
supervisor Mr. Neal Tipton of my
work in a parallel portfolio.

959
01:03:50,820 --> 01:03:54,870
And my need to gain experience
from the ISR task force given

960
01:03:54,870 --> 01:04:00,810
the nuanced nature of analysis
we were conducting. Mr. Tipton

961
01:04:00,810 --> 01:04:04,560
indicated he had no issue with
me working other efforts, as

962
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,430
long as my duties were not
neglected at ISP details and

963
01:04:08,430 --> 01:04:11,400
specifics as to this information
can be provided separately over

964
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,430
a secure means. So his
supervisor Neil Tipton

965
01:04:16,110 --> 01:04:19,290
was being told about a parallel
portfolio. To me, that just

966
01:04:19,290 --> 01:04:22,740
sounds like something that he
was doing on the side. Sorry.

967
01:04:22,980 --> 01:04:28,590
That's what that means. And as
long as it did not interfere

968
01:04:28,620 --> 01:04:32,640
with his duties of what he was
supposed to do, which was

969
01:04:32,970 --> 01:04:35,490
working as the chief of the
newly formed intelligence

970
01:04:35,490 --> 01:04:38,730
sharing and partner engagement
office, then he had no problems

971
01:04:38,730 --> 01:04:43,350
with it. So that's wildly
different than the stories that

972
01:04:43,350 --> 01:04:46,260
were printed in the media and
what we've been told, but there

973
01:04:46,260 --> 01:04:49,740
you have it, in his own words,
that his direct supervisor was

974
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,880
told, Hey, I'm doing this other
thing over here. But I want to

975
01:04:53,940 --> 01:04:57,420
interfere with my essentially
real job here. And the

976
01:04:57,420 --> 01:04:59,910
supervisor says Yeah, as long as
it doesn't interfere, go right

977
01:04:59,910 --> 01:05:04,080
in yet, again, different. I know
he said that a supervisor didn't

978
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,500
know what he was doing. But
that, for me is a different

979
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:10,830
context on how he always said
it. Now we have it in writing.

980
01:05:11,370 --> 01:05:16,920
Early 2014, my office received a
very compelling video in 2011.

981
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,800
Send to us on Jay wicks that was
collected by a sensitive us

982
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,970
platform operating in a denied
area. The video was

983
01:05:23,970 --> 01:05:27,150
approximately 18 to 20 minutes
in duration, and appeared to

984
01:05:27,150 --> 01:05:32,400
show three UAPs flying in a
distinct triangle formation. I'm

985
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:37,020
going to stop right there. This
is such a common. And I was

986
01:05:37,020 --> 01:05:40,140
really surprised to see this,
this is such a common mistake

987
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:44,910
when talking about UFOs. And
they're flying in a triangle.

988
01:05:45,660 --> 01:05:48,660
Whenever you have three points
in the sky, unless they were

989
01:05:48,660 --> 01:05:54,180
parallel and make a line, you
get a triangle each and every

990
01:05:54,180 --> 01:06:00,870
way you put it three dots, if
not align, make a triangle. So

991
01:06:00,900 --> 01:06:07,950
what is a distinct triangle? I'm
not really sure. But regardless,

992
01:06:07,980 --> 01:06:11,010
it will always be a triangle. So
for the guy who has been

993
01:06:11,010 --> 01:06:14,850
studying UFOs for years now
through a tip, the fact that he

994
01:06:14,850 --> 01:06:19,380
has to say that is just weird to
me, because that is always

995
01:06:19,380 --> 01:06:24,060
something that people and I'm
not trying to harp on UFO

996
01:06:24,060 --> 01:06:26,910
witnesses, but those that will
see three lights in the sky and

997
01:06:26,910 --> 01:06:30,660
go look, it's a triangle, where
you can't have three lights in

998
01:06:30,660 --> 01:06:33,630
the sky and have it not be a
triangle. It's just going to be

999
01:06:33,630 --> 01:06:37,050
different types of triangles. So
that's what I don't understand

1000
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:42,870
about him, stating this.
Regardless, let's move on. After

1001
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:45,030
vetting the video through
several intelligence community

1002
01:06:45,030 --> 01:06:49,230
experts, I decided to share it
with Mr. Tipton, and 2014 to see

1003
01:06:49,230 --> 01:06:52,320
if he was aware of any Blue
Force technology that can

1004
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,470
explain what was being witnessed
on the video. Mr. Tipton, his

1005
01:06:55,470 --> 01:06:58,200
response to me was that the
video was quote, weird and

1006
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,620
compelling, and that he had no
idea what the object was.

1007
01:07:01,830 --> 01:07:05,100
details and specifics as to this
information can be provided

1008
01:07:05,310 --> 01:07:08,880
separately over secure means. I
don't know if this is the same

1009
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:14,520
as the quote unquote famed 23
minute video. I mean, it sounds

1010
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,370
different where that's either a
triangle coming out of the water

1011
01:07:17,370 --> 01:07:21,330
or I can't keep all these
legends and rumors straight. But

1012
01:07:21,330 --> 01:07:25,530
regardless here now we have a 20
ish minute video being

1013
01:07:25,530 --> 01:07:32,370
referenced by Mr. Elizondo. I
don't know. I don't know what to

1014
01:07:32,370 --> 01:07:37,230
add, other than when he talks
about Blue Force technology. I

1015
01:07:37,230 --> 01:07:39,180
wanted to throw this in here
because there was a lot of

1016
01:07:39,180 --> 01:07:42,330
questions on what exactly did
that mean some people pulled up.

1017
01:07:42,690 --> 01:07:45,960
There's actually a company named
Blue Force. That is not it. You

1018
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,260
have to keep in mind, Luis
Elizondo is United States Army

1019
01:07:49,260 --> 01:07:54,360
or former United States Army. So
he uses a lot of US Army

1020
01:07:54,810 --> 01:07:58,620
phraseology in this blue force
being one of them because their

1021
01:07:58,620 --> 01:08:04,800
tracking network called the Blue
Force tracking or BF T is all in

1022
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:10,140
army program. You can see it
here. It started in 2002 bfhi,

1023
01:08:10,170 --> 01:08:13,260
excuse me, BF T, provides
friendly force tracking

1024
01:08:13,260 --> 01:08:16,890
information as integrated on
more than 98,000 platforms

1025
01:08:17,190 --> 01:08:20,400
across the army and joint
services. So essentially, it's

1026
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:25,350
for tracking friendly forces. So
I believe what Mr. Elizondo was

1027
01:08:25,350 --> 01:08:28,470
alluding to here to his
supervisor was, hey, do we have

1028
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:32,100
anything to kind of support that
that this was potentially

1029
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:36,480
friendly forces or something
that we can track using that

1030
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:40,440
network? I believe it's likely
one of those two, two

1031
01:08:40,440 --> 01:08:43,710
possibilities there. But that's
why he brought that up. That's

1032
01:08:43,710 --> 01:08:48,720
what the Blue Force tracking is.
2015 I briefed the ATF portfolio

1033
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:52,470
to redacted who was at the time
senior executive US Air Force

1034
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,940
detail li two Oh Usdi. At the
time, his staff in mind shared

1035
01:08:56,940 --> 01:09:00,360
office space at redacted and he
was instrumental in providing me

1036
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:04,590
advice and assistance. My hope
was to use redacted as an

1037
01:09:05,340 --> 01:09:06,330
interlock.

1038
01:09:07,949 --> 01:09:12,089
interlobular with the US Air
Force, redacted in order to

1039
01:09:12,089 --> 01:09:16,019
understand the UAP issue from an
Air Force perspective, redacted

1040
01:09:16,019 --> 01:09:19,799
and I collaborated frequently
and have lunch over the matter.

1041
01:09:19,979 --> 01:09:22,409
I introduced him to several
members of a tip and he was

1042
01:09:22,409 --> 01:09:25,799
genuinely interested in the
topic. He was also aware that

1043
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:28,859
redacted was briefed into a tip
and there were a select few

1044
01:09:28,859 --> 01:09:32,639
individuals who would receive
briefings from my staff and me.

1045
01:09:33,029 --> 01:09:37,259
Upon his departure from O Usdi.
I provided redacted a small

1046
01:09:37,259 --> 01:09:40,739
token of our appreciation for
his support by providing a one

1047
01:09:40,739 --> 01:09:45,989
of a kind original photograph of
an Apollo astronaut on the moon

1048
01:09:46,019 --> 01:09:49,679
with a handwritten note. This
photo was later shown to Brit

1049
01:09:49,709 --> 01:09:53,429
Mr. Brendan mckernon, the
current UAP Task Force director

1050
01:09:53,429 --> 01:09:57,509
by redacted as evidence he was
aware of our effort and a

1051
01:09:57,509 --> 01:10:01,589
supporter. An odd note there But
there's Brendan mckernon. 's

1052
01:10:01,589 --> 01:10:05,669
name. I believe politico was the
first one to publicly post that

1053
01:10:05,849 --> 01:10:08,759
he was a name I was watching for
quite some time and have had

1054
01:10:08,969 --> 01:10:14,069
open FOIA requests also for a
couple years to try and track

1055
01:10:14,069 --> 01:10:18,029
down what his role with the UAP
task force was what he

1056
01:10:18,029 --> 01:10:22,139
discovered and so on. 2014 to
2016, my office was routinely

1057
01:10:22,139 --> 01:10:24,809
engaged with other members of
the intelligence community in a

1058
01:10:24,809 --> 01:10:28,169
formal working group,
specifically organized for the

1059
01:10:28,169 --> 01:10:32,639
purposes of discussing and
assessing UAP activity. This not

1060
01:10:32,639 --> 01:10:36,809
only included older incidents,
the 2004 USS Nimitz, but recent

1061
01:10:37,019 --> 01:10:40,859
incidents being reported by US
naval ship captains and theatres

1062
01:10:40,979 --> 01:10:44,939
of engagement. These incidents
were often accompanied by video

1063
01:10:44,939 --> 01:10:49,529
evidence taken from us weapon
platforms. And one such instance

1064
01:10:49,559 --> 01:10:52,739
a senior member of the US Navy
sent an email pleading for

1065
01:10:52,739 --> 01:10:56,759
guidance as to what he slash she
should do if they encounter more

1066
01:10:56,759 --> 01:11:01,289
UAPs. This documentation still
exists with Oh Usdi details and

1067
01:11:01,289 --> 01:11:05,279
specifics as to this information
can be provided separately over

1068
01:11:05,279 --> 01:11:09,269
a secure means. It was at this
time I also assumed the new role

1069
01:11:09,449 --> 01:11:11,969
as the Director of National
Programs special management

1070
01:11:11,969 --> 01:11:15,059
staff, a National Security
Council effort involving

1071
01:11:15,059 --> 01:11:16,169
Guantanamo Bay

1072
01:11:18,270 --> 01:11:23,010
2015 to 2017. On a regular
basis, Mr. Stratton, who was

1073
01:11:23,010 --> 01:11:26,760
assigned at the time as a
STRATCOM, liaison officer and

1074
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,870
Mr. Brennan mckernon. Current
UAP Task Force director and I

1075
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:34,590
would discuss new reports that
were received and engaged in a

1076
01:11:34,590 --> 01:11:37,830
larger working group discussion
with other elements within the

1077
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:41,670
IC. These meetings were
conducted in designated OSD and

1078
01:11:41,670 --> 01:11:45,840
navy sensitive comparte
Compartmented Information

1079
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:50,520
facilities or Skiff spaces
within the Pentagon or Suitland,

1080
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,720
Naval Air Station. I've looked
up Suitland, Naval Air Station.

1081
01:11:55,230 --> 01:11:58,320
I believe that is a mistake. I
don't believe that there is a

1082
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:02,250
Suitland Naval Air Station, not
then not now. I'm a little

1083
01:12:02,250 --> 01:12:06,450
confused at that. I think that
this is a reference to, I

1084
01:12:06,450 --> 01:12:10,980
believe, Oh, and I, the Office
of Naval Intelligence. And I

1085
01:12:10,980 --> 01:12:14,580
believe Suitland is the street
it's on. I tried to see if there

1086
01:12:14,580 --> 01:12:18,780
was maybe some historical
reference. I didn't find one

1087
01:12:18,780 --> 01:12:21,420
that doesn't mean that it's not
there. It's just kind of a weird

1088
01:12:21,420 --> 01:12:26,940
error to make. I checked with
and expert more than me on these

1089
01:12:26,940 --> 01:12:30,270
types of things. They had never
heard of Suitland, Naval Air

1090
01:12:30,270 --> 01:12:32,820
Station either. They also
believed it was a mistake. So

1091
01:12:32,820 --> 01:12:37,170
just a weird kind of thing to
throw in there and be mistaken

1092
01:12:37,170 --> 01:12:39,750
on what the Naval Air Station
that you're meeting at is

1093
01:12:40,530 --> 01:12:44,880
expertise ranging from and I
apologize for sometimes

1094
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,120
squinting and being tongue tied
here. The way that I have to

1095
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,430
read this while I'm broadcasting
to you guys, it does get a

1096
01:12:50,430 --> 01:12:53,040
little bit blurry on the monitor
as I go through the

1097
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:57,630
presentation. So I apologize.
Expertise ranging from a electro

1098
01:12:57,630 --> 01:13:00,870
optical experts to radar
engineers, would be utilized to

1099
01:13:00,870 --> 01:13:03,990
try and ascertain some of the
observations and what models of

1100
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:08,100
physics would be required to
explain UAP performance. It was

1101
01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:11,100
also suggested that a joint
operational plan be developed

1102
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:14,790
through the joint staff to
potentially elicit a behavior

1103
01:13:14,820 --> 01:13:20,340
slash response to UAP activity.
In 2016, a formal audit plan was

1104
01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:23,760
drafted and submitted through
alternate alternative

1105
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:28,230
compensatory control measure
accm channels. The audit plan

1106
01:13:28,230 --> 01:13:30,960
was significant in detail,
including the frequency of

1107
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,770
incursions by UAP location and
type at one point, a

1108
01:13:34,770 --> 01:13:38,430
comprehensive listing of UAP
activity was included for the

1109
01:13:38,430 --> 01:13:41,850
entire month. details and
specifics as to this information

1110
01:13:41,850 --> 01:13:45,120
can be provided separately over
a secure means. I'm not going to

1111
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,870
say this everywhere. I filed a
ton of cases based on the

1112
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:52,410
information within this.
Obviously that op plan was one

1113
01:13:52,410 --> 01:13:56,850
of them. What I cringe jet is it
said it was drafted if it's

1114
01:13:56,850 --> 01:14:00,210
considered a draft. It's a
question mark, and a crapshoot

1115
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,570
on whether or not I'll be able
to get it under FOIA. As draft

1116
01:14:03,570 --> 01:14:08,280
documents are exempt. Hopefully
it got finalized. But I do have

1117
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:12,300
open cases for pretty much
anything that we're going over I

1118
01:14:12,300 --> 01:14:16,080
went through this with a fine
tooth comb that I likely have a

1119
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:21,360
request for it 2016. During this
time, my former supervisor Mr.

1120
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:25,200
Tipton had returned to the O
Usdi. After completing an IC

1121
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,840
joint duty assignment at the
Office of the Director of

1122
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,500
National Intelligence. In his
new role he was assigned under

1123
01:14:31,500 --> 01:14:38,520
the redacted for redacted in his
new role, I believe Mr. tympanic

1124
01:14:38,610 --> 01:14:43,920
Mr. Tipton could be a continued
value to our ATF efforts. In

1125
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:48,480
late 2016. I sent Mr. Tipton an
email on Jay works well

1126
01:14:48,510 --> 01:14:53,430
welcoming him back to Oh Usdi
Mr. Tipton responded with an

1127
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:59,040
email with subject line that UFO
video. In his email to me Mr.

1128
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:04,650
Tipton asked How my efforts were
going at a tip. And if we were

1129
01:15:04,650 --> 01:15:10,200
able to gain additional fidelity
on a specific UAP video, I

1130
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:14,160
shared with him the prior year
while he was my supervisor and I

1131
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:18,900
s p e. So that was that 18 to 20
minute video. My response was

1132
01:15:18,900 --> 01:15:21,960
negative during the time I also
asked Mr. Tipton if his new

1133
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,440
office could be helpful in our
endeavors involving UAPs.

1134
01:15:27,930 --> 01:15:32,580
He suggested I speak directly
with redacted in December 2016.

1135
01:15:32,610 --> 01:15:35,880
I briefly spoke to redacted
unexplained that are funding for

1136
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:40,320
fiscal year 13 And 14 was taken
by another office and our

1137
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:43,980
resources were very slim, but
that the mission was very

1138
01:15:43,980 --> 01:15:47,010
viable. He shared with me his
support for our effort, but

1139
01:15:47,010 --> 01:15:49,920
indicated he would be leaving
for another position soon, and

1140
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,730
that I should keep Mr. Tipton in
the loop. I also shared with my

1141
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,570
redacted my frustration for not
being able to brief other senior

1142
01:15:57,570 --> 01:16:01,560
leadership due to restrictive
stovepiping. But I had received

1143
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:05,910
exceptional support from one of
his subordinates redacted in the

1144
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:12,270
past, redacted appreciated the
compliment 2016. During this

1145
01:16:12,270 --> 01:16:15,270
time, I continually attempted to
gain additional senior level

1146
01:16:15,390 --> 01:16:18,510
leadership involvement. my
direct supervisor redacted was

1147
01:16:18,510 --> 01:16:21,930
informed by me that I was also
involved in another sensitive

1148
01:16:21,930 --> 01:16:27,180
effort besides and PSMS redacted
indicated he was fine with my

1149
01:16:27,180 --> 01:16:30,000
involvement in other government
endeavors provided it did not

1150
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,710
interfere with my performance as
a director of the NPS. Ms. It

1151
01:16:34,710 --> 01:16:37,200
was during this time I
introduced redacted to other

1152
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,990
members of the A tip staff
including Mr. Brennan mckernon.

1153
01:16:40,530 --> 01:16:44,160
Although we never specified a
tip involved UAP he was aware of

1154
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,590
the sensitive nature of the
effort and the strict need to

1155
01:16:46,590 --> 01:16:50,430
know aspects of the program,
which he respected, redacted was

1156
01:16:50,430 --> 01:16:54,270
later asked to provide
information on a 2013 FBI

1157
01:16:54,270 --> 01:16:58,500
investigation called redacted
for which the sworn statements

1158
01:16:58,500 --> 01:17:01,830
or three Oh twos would be useful
for our efforts. The

1159
01:17:01,830 --> 01:17:05,130
investigation involved potential
UAP activity near a sensitive US

1160
01:17:05,130 --> 01:17:09,750
government facility. details and
specifics as to this information

1161
01:17:10,020 --> 01:17:13,650
can be provided separately over
a secure means there is the

1162
01:17:13,650 --> 01:17:19,740
second time that bosses or
people in power within this DoD

1163
01:17:19,740 --> 01:17:24,210
structure are informed of kind
of this side effort, hey, we're

1164
01:17:24,210 --> 01:17:27,720
doing this potentially utilizing
clearances and so on to access

1165
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:32,460
whatever information and I am
not minimizing that effort. My

1166
01:17:32,460 --> 01:17:36,510
whole point in pointing this
out. Is this is what people like

1167
01:17:36,510 --> 01:17:43,740
me were lambasted for, for even
even giving the idea out that

1168
01:17:43,740 --> 01:17:48,810
potentially, this was something
that was done on the side, that

1169
01:17:48,810 --> 01:17:53,490
this was not their effort as
kind of indicated and and what

1170
01:17:53,490 --> 01:17:57,540
so many people said in
interviews and so on, and what

1171
01:17:57,540 --> 01:18:01,230
was printed in the media and so
on about this Government UFO

1172
01:18:01,230 --> 01:18:06,210
program, investigating UAP
rather, we're talking about

1173
01:18:06,660 --> 01:18:11,580
group chats, meetings and skiffs
which again, are secured areas

1174
01:18:11,580 --> 01:18:15,210
and great, but multiple
supervisors. And again, people

1175
01:18:15,210 --> 01:18:18,540
in power are being told, Hey,
this is my job. And I know this

1176
01:18:18,540 --> 01:18:22,740
and it's not a tip. But over
here I on my own time, it won't

1177
01:18:22,740 --> 01:18:25,800
interfere. I'm doing this other
effort. And they're like, Yeah,

1178
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:31,830
as long as your normal effort is
not, you know, affected at all,

1179
01:18:31,890 --> 01:18:35,340
go ahead and do it. These are
all important because this goes

1180
01:18:35,340 --> 01:18:39,390
into what we've been fed for
years about this government

1181
01:18:39,390 --> 01:18:44,100
program, when in reality, it
likely was not that all of this

1182
01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:48,960
information is being talked
about all of it, photos, videos,

1183
01:18:48,990 --> 01:18:53,460
naval captains, and ship
captains all calling and sending

1184
01:18:53,460 --> 01:18:58,440
all this stuff to a tip. Yet
there were only three videos

1185
01:18:58,440 --> 01:19:03,240
that Mr. Elizondo requested. And
we'll get into this in a couple

1186
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,390
of minutes with the videos, but
only three videos that he was

1187
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:10,530
going to utilize for his
internal use only database. None

1188
01:19:10,530 --> 01:19:14,940
of that makes sense. If there
was all that information, if he

1189
01:19:14,940 --> 01:19:17,700
wanted to use that for his
internal effort, which he told

1190
01:19:17,700 --> 01:19:22,680
me, I'll play it play you the
clip. But what he told me why

1191
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:27,540
only three? And why those three?
And I don't I don't have the

1192
01:19:27,540 --> 01:19:30,690
answer to that. But what you
look at what's publicly

1193
01:19:30,690 --> 01:19:33,750
available and what we've been
told you look at what's in this

1194
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:37,860
complaint, it yet again, does
not match up.

1195
01:19:39,569 --> 01:19:42,149
It was during this time I grew
increasingly frustrated by the

1196
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:46,049
lack of resources and interest
by senior leadership. UAP

1197
01:19:46,049 --> 01:19:49,199
reporting to our office was
increasing, yet our resources

1198
01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:51,869
were minimal and leadership
involvement was almost non

1199
01:19:51,869 --> 01:19:57,299
existent. In 2016, we succeeded
in having an unclassified

1200
01:19:57,299 --> 01:20:00,509
academic study performed by a
local university and Washington

1201
01:20:00,509 --> 01:20:04,379
DC regarding signatures of space
threats and capabilities,

1202
01:20:04,679 --> 01:20:07,619
including intercontinental
ballistic missiles, and hopes

1203
01:20:07,619 --> 01:20:10,529
that this information could be
used to determine the various

1204
01:20:10,529 --> 01:20:15,029
capabilities and domains in
which technical assets could be

1205
01:20:15,029 --> 01:20:19,019
used to better detect UAP
activity. The author of the

1206
01:20:19,019 --> 01:20:22,079
study was only told that our
interest was threats from space.

1207
01:20:22,409 --> 01:20:25,109
The study resides on the A tip
shared drive known as why

1208
01:20:25,109 --> 01:20:29,639
project on the J Wix. So
obviously a top secret level

1209
01:20:29,759 --> 01:20:34,769
folder, I went after it. Sadly,
you can see on the sidebar here

1210
01:20:34,829 --> 01:20:40,349
after I filed the case. No
records of any kind, you

1211
01:20:40,349 --> 01:20:44,489
described could be identified. I
did ask for any backups because

1212
01:20:44,489 --> 01:20:48,779
likely since this time, it's
been moved. I asked for backups

1213
01:20:48,779 --> 01:20:52,259
to be searched. I asked for all
sorts of different ways to find

1214
01:20:52,259 --> 01:20:55,829
it. They could not. I have
appealed, we'll see what

1215
01:20:55,829 --> 01:20:59,759
happens. But according to this,
this wide project folder no

1216
01:20:59,759 --> 01:21:03,689
longer exists. It'd be great if
somebody would break down what

1217
01:21:03,689 --> 01:21:06,929
was on it because then if that
was moved somewhere else, we can

1218
01:21:06,929 --> 01:21:12,059
start trying to specifically
asked for those things. Sadly,

1219
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:17,909
the folder itself is gone. Late
2016. After increased

1220
01:21:17,909 --> 01:21:20,879
frustration, I became alarmed by
the frequency and duration of

1221
01:21:20,879 --> 01:21:24,929
UAP activity in and around
controlled us airspace. The

1222
01:21:24,929 --> 01:21:27,689
instances seemed more
provocative and during one

1223
01:21:27,689 --> 01:21:31,859
instance, they came within feet
of a US fighter aircraft. The

1224
01:21:31,859 --> 01:21:34,679
video of this encounter still
exists on the A tip shared drive

1225
01:21:34,679 --> 01:21:39,749
known as y project within the
USDA J WIC shared drive. Out of

1226
01:21:39,749 --> 01:21:42,629
desperation I was willing to
break protocol and seek the

1227
01:21:42,629 --> 01:21:47,819
guidance of the DDI for
intelligence and security. Mr.

1228
01:21:47,819 --> 01:21:53,609
Gary Reed, Mr. Gary Reed
replaced redacted as the new DDI

1229
01:21:53,609 --> 01:21:57,599
ns. However, prior to informing
Mr. Gary Reed, I was warned by

1230
01:21:57,599 --> 01:22:01,169
several individuals, the Mr.
Gary Reed could not be trusted.

1231
01:22:01,589 --> 01:22:04,589
It was not told to me at the
time why he was not trusted

1232
01:22:04,589 --> 01:22:08,219
among his peers, other than he
had an unusual relationship with

1233
01:22:08,219 --> 01:22:13,049
his subordinate, redacted. I was
also told that this relationship

1234
01:22:13,049 --> 01:22:17,009
is widely known with an O Usdi
and the both redacted and Mr.

1235
01:22:17,009 --> 01:22:20,849
Gary Reed occupied positions of
significant influence within the

1236
01:22:20,849 --> 01:22:24,599
counter intelligence, security
and law enforcement communities.

1237
01:22:25,379 --> 01:22:29,369
For this reason, I hesitated on
briefing Mr. Gary Reed on a tip

1238
01:22:29,699 --> 01:22:33,299
efforts. At the time a third
party allegation of sexual

1239
01:22:33,299 --> 01:22:36,989
harassment was reported to me,
involving Mr. Gary Reed by one

1240
01:22:36,989 --> 01:22:42,719
of my office subordinates
redacted G G 14. During one of

1241
01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:46,229
the meetings he referred to
redacted as bunny and made her

1242
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:48,749
feel uncomfortable in the
presence of other females,

1243
01:22:49,169 --> 01:22:53,189
including a Usdi attorney and
counsel redacted. I later

1244
01:22:53,189 --> 01:22:56,219
learned that a formal IG
investigation was initiated, to

1245
01:22:56,219 --> 01:23:01,709
which I was called as a witness
2016 to 2017. During this time

1246
01:23:01,709 --> 01:23:04,289
period, my colleagues within a
tip and I grew increasingly

1247
01:23:04,289 --> 01:23:06,839
frustrated with the lack of
senior level awareness and

1248
01:23:06,839 --> 01:23:10,439
apathy towards a tip, it was
decided that an effort to have

1249
01:23:10,469 --> 01:23:15,119
more analytic expertise be made,
in order that some of the less

1250
01:23:15,119 --> 01:23:18,539
sensitive videos be made
available to broader audiences

1251
01:23:18,539 --> 01:23:21,929
of expertise. Initially, the
idea was to include members of

1252
01:23:21,929 --> 01:23:26,099
the defense industrial base, and
other experts to have access to

1253
01:23:26,099 --> 01:23:31,649
unclassified UAP videos to help
determine and assess performance

1254
01:23:31,649 --> 01:23:39,359
and design characteristics. In
2017, I executed a DOD form 1910

1255
01:23:39,689 --> 01:23:42,659
and submitted through the
Defense Office of pre

1256
01:23:42,659 --> 01:23:46,739
publication and Security Review
or dotser. For a security review

1257
01:23:46,769 --> 01:23:51,449
of three videos FLIR go fast and
gimbal. Furthermore, I requested

1258
01:23:51,449 --> 01:23:54,059
through Washington headquarters
services that this review be

1259
01:23:54,059 --> 01:23:58,679
coordinated through the original
classification authority or oca.

1260
01:23:59,279 --> 01:24:01,739
Although I wanted to limit the
distribution of the three

1261
01:24:01,739 --> 01:24:06,569
unclassified videos to only
certain parties WHS indicated to

1262
01:24:06,569 --> 01:24:09,509
me it was easier for them to
simply authorize unlimited

1263
01:24:09,509 --> 01:24:14,939
distribution. A few days later,
my request via the 1910 was

1264
01:24:14,939 --> 01:24:18,209
officially stamped by dotser for
unrestricted dissemination.

1265
01:24:20,309 --> 01:24:27,719
This, in my opinion, is untrue.
And this is proved by Mr.

1266
01:24:27,719 --> 01:24:31,229
Elizondo his own words as
released through the Freedom of

1267
01:24:31,229 --> 01:24:37,679
Information Act and his own
filing of that DD Form 1910 That

1268
01:24:37,679 --> 01:24:38,369
would be this.

1269
01:24:39,810 --> 01:24:44,910
Now I have a full breakdown
video of this, so I'm not going

1270
01:24:44,910 --> 01:24:48,060
to do it again. But through the
Freedom of Information Act, I

1271
01:24:48,060 --> 01:24:51,030
was able to extract the actual
form Now granted, it had already

1272
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:57,870
leaked before, but this was the
official release of it. What was

1273
01:24:57,870 --> 01:25:02,970
not stated by Mr Elizondo was
the reality behind it was not

1274
01:25:04,380 --> 01:25:09,000
considered open for public
dissemination, but rather it was

1275
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:13,350
cleared for what he asked for.
And this was another case where

1276
01:25:13,350 --> 01:25:15,300
in the very beginning when all
this leaked, and all this

1277
01:25:15,300 --> 01:25:19,500
started coming out, and this was
couple years ago, again, me and

1278
01:25:19,500 --> 01:25:23,040
people like me were getting just
obliterated by people saying,

1279
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:28,500
How dare you say anything other
than what Mr. Elizondo said,

1280
01:25:28,500 --> 01:25:32,250
because what he said is how it
went down. It was legitimate, it

1281
01:25:32,250 --> 01:25:35,880
was this it was that fine, that
all could very well be true.

1282
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:40,170
Problem was, the evidence just
wasn't there to support it. And

1283
01:25:40,170 --> 01:25:43,890
in my opinion, it was provably
wrong, what happened fast

1284
01:25:43,890 --> 01:25:48,870
forward, it was proven wrong. He
needed to use this as he kind of

1285
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:55,110
noted in the IG complaint for
internal use only. And that he

1286
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:58,110
was not going to be
disseminating it outside of

1287
01:25:58,110 --> 01:26:01,980
that, and there is no indicator
in the paperwork, that they gave

1288
01:26:01,980 --> 01:26:07,710
a unlimited distribution at all,
and when the Air Force Office of

1289
01:26:07,710 --> 01:26:11,430
Special Investigation came
aboard, they also concluded the

1290
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:14,640
exact same thing. In fact, they
said here, I won't read the full

1291
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:19,170
document. But the DD Form 1910
is used for the public release

1292
01:26:19,170 --> 01:26:22,680
of DoD Information. The request
for release was no indication

1293
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:26,310
the videos would be released to
any news outlet. The reason for

1294
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:30,750
publication was listed as not
applicable, not for publication,

1295
01:26:30,930 --> 01:26:34,620
research and analysis only and
info sharing with other US

1296
01:26:34,620 --> 01:26:38,190
government and industry partners
for the purposes of developing a

1297
01:26:38,190 --> 01:26:42,990
database to help identify,
analyze, and ultimately defeat

1298
01:26:43,140 --> 01:26:47,580
UAS or drone threats. That's
unmanned aerial systems.

1299
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:52,500
redacted, stated he would not
have approved the videos for

1300
01:26:52,500 --> 01:26:56,460
release to the media,
additionally redacted, never

1301
01:26:56,580 --> 01:27:00,120
received confirmation, the
videos were declassified. This

1302
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,660
redaction here I believe was the
guy who ultimately reviewed it

1303
01:27:03,660 --> 01:27:07,260
at the Navy that would be the
OCA or original classifying

1304
01:27:07,260 --> 01:27:10,680
authority. This I believe would
be Elizondo that he never

1305
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,170
received confirmation, the
videos were declassified,

1306
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:17,310
essentially, being able to be
released to the world. Even if

1307
01:27:17,310 --> 01:27:20,310
they were considered
unclassified, which they were,

1308
01:27:20,430 --> 01:27:25,950
that does not authorize a public
release of inflammation. This

1309
01:27:25,950 --> 01:27:30,030
here proved that everything that
we, myself included, brought up

1310
01:27:30,030 --> 01:27:34,560
in the very beginning was proved
right. This isn't because Gary

1311
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,950
Reed instigated this and had
some power over the

1312
01:27:37,950 --> 01:27:41,220
investigation. This isn't
because all the skeptics said it

1313
01:27:41,220 --> 01:27:44,730
so many times that the afosr
goes, Okay, let's just go with

1314
01:27:44,730 --> 01:27:49,140
that. No, this was a formal
investigation into the matter.

1315
01:27:49,260 --> 01:27:54,540
And they said that it was wrong.
And so therefore, all of that

1316
01:27:54,540 --> 01:27:59,520
explanation that we were given
about all this proper release,

1317
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:03,600
and so on. So it just doesn't
seem accurate. The way that it

1318
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:07,320
was told to us through Coast to
Coast AM and that first

1319
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,350
breakdown of how we if you were
paying attention learned about

1320
01:28:10,350 --> 01:28:15,210
the DD Form 1910, myself
included. It wasn't set in there

1321
01:28:15,210 --> 01:28:20,040
that Luis Elizondo didn't want
it for widespread distribution

1322
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:23,640
that he only wanted it
internally. No, the impression

1323
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:27,690
was given that it was all done
to be released to the public.

1324
01:28:27,870 --> 01:28:30,000
That was untrue.

1325
01:28:31,829 --> 01:28:36,389
2017, I was invited by several
direct reports to Secretary of

1326
01:28:36,389 --> 01:28:39,779
Defense James Mattis to provide
an official at a briefing within

1327
01:28:39,779 --> 01:28:43,259
the SEC def suite, redacted SES
senior representative to the SEC

1328
01:28:43,259 --> 01:28:47,399
def. My additional meeting, my
initial meeting with redacted

1329
01:28:47,399 --> 01:28:52,109
was a result of a direct request
by redacted staff at the SEC

1330
01:28:52,109 --> 01:28:55,919
defs front office, I received a
notice on supernet and a

1331
01:28:55,919 --> 01:28:59,189
telephone call asking if I would
be available to provide a

1332
01:28:59,189 --> 01:29:03,719
briefing on a tip during the
initial meeting. redacted was

1333
01:29:03,719 --> 01:29:07,019
provided detailed classified
information regarding UAP

1334
01:29:07,019 --> 01:29:09,869
incursions into controlled us
airspace, along with

1335
01:29:09,869 --> 01:29:13,139
photographs, videos, and
classified reports from the

1336
01:29:13,139 --> 01:29:16,829
field. A week later, I was asked
to return and provide a follow

1337
01:29:16,829 --> 01:29:19,679
on briefing to the same
individual. During the meeting,

1338
01:29:19,679 --> 01:29:23,189
I was asked for my personal
assessment of the situation in

1339
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:26,399
which I expressed my frustration
of a lack of senior level

1340
01:29:26,399 --> 01:29:29,249
visibility and excessive
stovepiping within the

1341
01:29:29,249 --> 01:29:32,939
department, redacted was
sympathetic to our situation and

1342
01:29:32,969 --> 01:29:35,909
a tip and asked if we provide a
briefing to his colleague

1343
01:29:36,209 --> 01:29:38,879
redacted. I want to know where
all these redacted names are,

1344
01:29:38,909 --> 01:29:43,709
again, it's been five years. If
the DoD is denying this, if any

1345
01:29:43,709 --> 01:29:47,219
of these people are gone, we
know of at least one and they're

1346
01:29:47,219 --> 01:29:50,189
no longer with the DOD. Let's
get some names out there. Let's

1347
01:29:50,189 --> 01:29:54,869
get some testimony. I'm so open
to hear it. So these are all

1348
01:29:54,869 --> 01:29:57,719
great stories, but if we can't
verify any of it, they're just

1349
01:29:57,719 --> 01:30:01,799
stories redacted to the side.
Contrary of defense, I received

1350
01:30:01,799 --> 01:30:04,319
several telephone calls on my
personal cell phone voice

1351
01:30:04,319 --> 01:30:07,769
messages saved and available
from redacted requesting a

1352
01:30:07,769 --> 01:30:11,009
briefing on a tip. As with
redacted, my meetings were

1353
01:30:11,009 --> 01:30:14,279
arranged by sector front office
personnel, official calendar

1354
01:30:14,279 --> 01:30:17,609
invites were executed and took
place in the secretary suite.

1355
01:30:19,169 --> 01:30:22,469
During the initial briefing with
redacted a tip data and findings

1356
01:30:22,469 --> 01:30:26,459
were shared. This meeting lasted
for over 60 minutes. At the

1357
01:30:26,459 --> 01:30:29,219
conclusion of the meeting, a
follow on meeting was requested

1358
01:30:29,219 --> 01:30:33,299
by redacted during the second
meeting redacted, expressed

1359
01:30:33,659 --> 01:30:37,199
consternation about how to
inform the secretary of ATF

1360
01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:41,699
findings given that there is no
permanent USDA in place that the

1361
01:30:41,699 --> 01:30:45,899
SecDef was relatively new,
redacted was sympathetic to our

1362
01:30:45,899 --> 01:30:49,859
programs challenges. After
several meetings redacted asked

1363
01:30:49,859 --> 01:30:53,129
me to arrange a briefing from
several of the eyewitnesses from

1364
01:30:53,129 --> 01:30:57,569
the 2004 USS Nimitz
investigation, namely the F 18.

1365
01:30:57,569 --> 01:31:00,299
Pilots and the E two Hawkeye
radar operator that were on

1366
01:31:00,299 --> 01:31:04,709
station at the time. As a result
of his request, I successfully

1367
01:31:04,709 --> 01:31:07,829
brought in several pilots and
the radar operator, along with

1368
01:31:07,829 --> 01:31:11,219
Mr. mckernon To provide a full
description of the encounter.

1369
01:31:11,699 --> 01:31:14,639
redacted was concerned due to
his previous experience being an

1370
01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:18,509
F 18. Pilot himself. After the
meeting redacted asked for us to

1371
01:31:18,509 --> 01:31:22,439
return and brief his colleagues
redacted. Electronic voicemails

1372
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,349
are available to confirm
meetings with redacted in the

1373
01:31:25,349 --> 01:31:30,749
SecDef suite. redacted line here
after several meetings with

1374
01:31:30,749 --> 01:31:34,169
redacted I was introduced to
redacted who was the secretary

1375
01:31:34,169 --> 01:31:37,709
senior liaison to one of the
members of the IC details and

1376
01:31:37,709 --> 01:31:41,489
specifics as to this information
can be provided separately over

1377
01:31:41,489 --> 01:31:45,479
secure means redacted expressed
her concerns briefing the SecDef

1378
01:31:45,509 --> 01:31:48,509
until she had more information
from other members of the IC.

1379
01:31:48,989 --> 01:31:51,419
She indicated that she would
reach out to her colleagues and

1380
01:31:51,419 --> 01:31:54,629
return them with additional
guidance. After several weeks of

1381
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:57,989
briefings redacted indicated
that her colleagues and other

1382
01:31:58,769 --> 01:32:02,159
government agencies are also
taking this topic seriously but

1383
01:32:02,159 --> 01:32:06,179
did not know how to proceed at
the time. redacted indicated her

1384
01:32:06,179 --> 01:32:10,319
concern about briefing the
SecDef until they had a better

1385
01:32:10,319 --> 01:32:13,799
understanding of the topic and
the threat. I explained to

1386
01:32:13,799 --> 01:32:17,999
redacted at the time that was
not on our side and that action

1387
01:32:17,999 --> 01:32:21,689
must be taken to inform the
secretary. I informed them of my

1388
01:32:21,689 --> 01:32:24,539
previous interaction with the
secretary when he was the Marine

1389
01:32:24,539 --> 01:32:28,949
Expeditionary Unit meu commander
in Kandahar, Afghanistan, in my

1390
01:32:28,949 --> 01:32:31,919
experience with the Secretary is
that he would prefer to be

1391
01:32:31,949 --> 01:32:33,839
informed sooner rather than
later.

1392
01:32:35,279 --> 01:32:40,109
July three October 2017, based
upon meetings with SecDef suite,

1393
01:32:40,199 --> 01:32:43,169
redacted and redacted agreed
that the A to portfolio should

1394
01:32:43,169 --> 01:32:47,609
be handled by a senior member of
O Usdi preferably with the

1395
01:32:47,609 --> 01:32:52,199
ranked rank of seasoned SCS. The
reason for this was to ensure

1396
01:32:52,199 --> 01:32:54,959
sufficient authority could be
used to leverage internal

1397
01:32:54,959 --> 01:32:58,889
resources within the department
to gain additional fidelity on

1398
01:32:58,889 --> 01:33:03,179
the UAP threat to control
military airspace. It was at

1399
01:33:03,179 --> 01:33:06,869
this point redacted and redacted
agreed that Mr. mckernon and I

1400
01:33:06,869 --> 01:33:10,409
briefed Mr. Tipton about the
decision by the front office

1401
01:33:10,859 --> 01:33:14,309
from July to late September Mr.
mckernon, and I had several

1402
01:33:14,309 --> 01:33:17,069
personal meetings with Mr.
Tipton. to brief him on the

1403
01:33:17,069 --> 01:33:21,239
nuances of a tip. Mr. Tipton
agreed to assume the management

1404
01:33:21,239 --> 01:33:24,179
role of a tip under the
condition that I remained an

1405
01:33:24,179 --> 01:33:28,229
advisor and part of the A tip
construct. emails were exchanged

1406
01:33:28,229 --> 01:33:32,489
between Mr. Tipton, Mr. mckernon
and myself that substantiate Mr.

1407
01:33:32,489 --> 01:33:36,059
Tipton is awareness of the A tip
program and his new leadership

1408
01:33:36,059 --> 01:33:40,439
role per guidance from redacted
and redacted I drafted an

1409
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:44,339
official memorandum assigning my
ATEP responsibilities to Mr.

1410
01:33:44,339 --> 01:33:48,659
Tipton for SecDef approval and
signature. Mr. Tipton received

1411
01:33:48,659 --> 01:33:52,559
the memorandum and voiced his
approval. Alright, so I'm going

1412
01:33:52,559 --> 01:33:58,289
to jump to the actual emails.
They are there are four pages.

1413
01:33:58,319 --> 01:34:02,489
They're in chronological order.
So I rearranged them from what

1414
01:34:02,489 --> 01:34:06,449
was in the actual complaint
itself. And I'm going to try and

1415
01:34:06,449 --> 01:34:10,259
make the best sense of this,
that I can so you can see here,

1416
01:34:11,219 --> 01:34:15,269
Luis Elizondo email to Brennan
mckernon and CC to Neil Tipton.

1417
01:34:15,959 --> 01:34:19,049
Greetings Brenda and I briefly
spoke to Mr. Neal Tipton CC

1418
01:34:19,049 --> 01:34:21,689
above about our collective
efforts and the interest

1419
01:34:21,689 --> 01:34:25,259
expressed by the front office.
upon your return I recommend we

1420
01:34:25,259 --> 01:34:29,339
meet with Mr. Tipton briefly in
person. He is amicable for a

1421
01:34:29,339 --> 01:34:33,509
discussion and is aware of
redacted previous portfolio. My

1422
01:34:33,629 --> 01:34:37,199
Mr. Tipton is now the acting
director, Defense Intelligence

1423
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:41,279
for technical collection and
special programs. Neil as soon

1424
01:34:41,279 --> 01:34:44,369
as Brennan returns from leave,
we can schedule a quick meeting

1425
01:34:44,369 --> 01:34:52,649
as promised Brennan is our Navy
counterpart up here August 23.

1426
01:34:52,859 --> 01:34:58,199
So next day thanks, Lou added
redacted to help with scheduling

1427
01:34:58,199 --> 01:35:07,409
so likely a Secretary of State
unkind. August 25 10:35am from

1428
01:35:07,409 --> 01:35:11,279
Luis Elizondo to Neil Tipton,
Neil, as discussed, thanks for

1429
01:35:11,279 --> 01:35:13,259
your time with this as the
principal SCS and your

1430
01:35:13,259 --> 01:35:15,149
directorate, I think you're
certainly the appropriate

1431
01:35:15,149 --> 01:35:18,869
representative to help take our
effort to a new level. I think

1432
01:35:18,869 --> 01:35:22,259
by now you probably already know
I have been managed, I have been

1433
01:35:22,259 --> 01:35:25,979
managing another nuanced effort
within the department for some

1434
01:35:25,979 --> 01:35:29,339
time. In fact, even when I
worked for you years ago, you

1435
01:35:29,339 --> 01:35:31,859
probably guessed I was also
working another effort for the

1436
01:35:31,859 --> 01:35:36,119
department given some of our
discussion and raw video, I

1437
01:35:36,119 --> 01:35:39,089
can't overstate how important I
believe this portfolio is with

1438
01:35:39,089 --> 01:35:42,209
respect to our collective
national security. So you are

1439
01:35:42,209 --> 01:35:44,909
aware I have already laid the
foundation with SecDef front

1440
01:35:44,909 --> 01:35:48,449
office and they support it to
transfer the portfolio under you

1441
01:35:48,449 --> 01:35:52,229
given your new focus on special
programs for the department and

1442
01:35:52,259 --> 01:35:56,759
Usdi. The front office will also
brief up the new Usdi once he

1443
01:35:56,759 --> 01:36:03,509
arrives, but it has I had but I
be hesitant to brief anyone else

1444
01:36:03,509 --> 01:36:06,719
at this point. So please keep
this at our level for now.

1445
01:36:07,469 --> 01:36:10,259
Initially I was going to
approach redacted but when he

1446
01:36:10,259 --> 01:36:12,659
handed over the reins to you I
figured you would be the perfect

1447
01:36:12,659 --> 01:36:16,019
fit. In the coming weeks I asked
you to attend a few meetings

1448
01:36:16,019 --> 01:36:19,619
with me at the front office in
order that you can meet the rest

1449
01:36:19,619 --> 01:36:21,959
of the players within the
building. Later I will also

1450
01:36:21,959 --> 01:36:24,599
introduce you to some of our
partners in industry and other

1451
01:36:24,599 --> 01:36:27,839
agencies who are helping lead
the charge. Ultimately I will

1452
01:36:27,839 --> 01:36:31,139
need your help analyzing and
exploiting material this was the

1453
01:36:31,139 --> 01:36:35,429
area redacted was particularly
helpful with I have a facility I

1454
01:36:35,429 --> 01:36:39,479
need to show you that you will
be able to use I always I

1455
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:42,329
sincerely appreciate your help
with this and look forward to

1456
01:36:42,329 --> 01:36:45,869
working with you slash for you
once again. I can't think of a

1457
01:36:45,869 --> 01:36:49,559
better guy to be involved with
this best LW PS let me know when

1458
01:36:49,559 --> 01:36:53,669
you want to go kill some fish. I
have access to an awesome 35

1459
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:57,269
Trojan that is a serious fishing
machine in the bay all by the

1460
01:36:57,269 --> 01:37:06,149
bait. The response sent within
the hour. No mention about fish.

1461
01:37:06,179 --> 01:37:10,859
But Neil Timpson says thanks,
Lou. All good. Although at some

1462
01:37:10,859 --> 01:37:16,409
point, I need to know what this
actually quote is. Unquote.

1463
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:24,179
Thanks, Neil. So it's clear that
Neil Tipton had no idea at this

1464
01:37:24,179 --> 01:37:25,589
point, like what was going on?

1465
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:30,120
I was surprised to see that
especially with the date and I

1466
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:34,470
thought that he was like showing
being shown UFO videos and, you

1467
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:38,160
know, sending emails and stuff
like that. But anyway, hard to

1468
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,560
kind of keep the chronology of
all this straight, but it was

1469
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:43,440
clear that Neil tips and just
was like, Yeah, sure, all good,

1470
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:46,080
but I don't know what the hell
you're talking about. Hate to

1471
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:49,230
put it that way. But that's
exactly how I take that

1472
01:37:49,230 --> 01:37:53,310
particular email. Here's another
one September 11. So fast

1473
01:37:53,310 --> 01:37:55,260
forward a little bit. Greetings,
Dale, a couple a couple quick

1474
01:37:55,290 --> 01:37:58,770
items for you. Front Office is
aware that you are now part of

1475
01:37:58,770 --> 01:38:01,410
this endeavor and they are happy
with the decision. We will plan

1476
01:38:01,410 --> 01:38:04,680
on meeting redacted next week.
How does this Wednesday look for

1477
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:08,190
an hour discussion. Lastly
redacted as a friend of the

1478
01:38:08,190 --> 01:38:10,650
program. I believe you may be
speaking with him tomorrow. He

1479
01:38:10,650 --> 01:38:15,570
is a good man. Just thought you
should know. I knew that

1480
01:38:15,570 --> 01:38:20,550
phrasing friend of the program
would be used. I mentioned that

1481
01:38:20,550 --> 01:38:24,030
in a Latin video. And I had a
feeling that that was going to

1482
01:38:24,030 --> 01:38:26,430
be phraseology that would come
up in this and sure enough,

1483
01:38:26,430 --> 01:38:30,120
there it is. Thanks, Lou. I'm
around next week but then gone.

1484
01:38:30,810 --> 01:38:34,620
The week of the 25th on for a
specific date time just worked

1485
01:38:34,620 --> 01:38:37,440
with redacted I'm not allowed to
muck around with my calendar,

1486
01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:40,830
but I am in the building all day
the 20th Yep, have a discussion

1487
01:38:40,830 --> 01:38:45,030
with Elizondo or excuse me with
redacted tomorrow. Thanks, Neil.

1488
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:50,910
So, you know, just kind of
administrative stuff. September

1489
01:38:50,910 --> 01:38:54,300
25. Greetings, Neil perspectives
front office guidance to you and

1490
01:38:54,300 --> 01:38:56,340
me, I took the liberty of
drafting a memo at the

1491
01:38:56,340 --> 01:38:58,740
unclassified level that helps
you better assume the new

1492
01:38:58,740 --> 01:39:02,160
responsibilities for a tip at
your convenience. Please review

1493
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:04,920
it's very short on purpose. And
let me know if you want me to

1494
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,520
put more meat on it. Brennan,
same with you please no pride

1495
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:11,070
and authorship. Just want to
make sure we answer the mail for

1496
01:39:11,070 --> 01:39:15,150
the front office standing by
Lew. Here's you know tips and

1497
01:39:15,150 --> 01:39:17,970
getting spun back up. We'll read
and get thoughts back today or

1498
01:39:17,970 --> 01:39:21,840
tomorrow at Fort Meade half of
the day today. I've had FOIA

1499
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:25,080
requests for this you guys may
recognize this. This was

1500
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:28,350
published in leaked form, it was
a little cloak and dagger ish.

1501
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,950
It was kind of like this odd
angle and you know just kind of

1502
01:39:31,950 --> 01:39:36,270
zoned in on that one particular
area. In a Popular Mechanics

1503
01:39:36,270 --> 01:39:42,660
article authored by Tim
McMillan. I filed requests. Once

1504
01:39:42,660 --> 01:39:45,450
I kind of pieced together Neil
Tipton, I forget the date of it,

1505
01:39:45,660 --> 01:39:48,270
but it's irrelevant. But anyway,
I've had it for a couple years

1506
01:39:48,270 --> 01:39:52,500
now trying to track down this
email. You guys might find it

1507
01:39:52,500 --> 01:39:55,680
interesting how this all plays
out because it is not playing

1508
01:39:55,680 --> 01:40:01,440
out. Easy. And until I've gotten
More I'm not trying to tease

1509
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:04,380
you. All I'm saying is this is
much more problematic than it

1510
01:40:04,380 --> 01:40:07,920
should be. So here we have the
emails listed in the IG

1511
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:13,140
complaint. But the DoD is having
a little trouble finding this

1512
01:40:13,140 --> 01:40:17,880
material. But again, that's not
a tease. I don't know more than

1513
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:21,780
that, other than this request is
taking much, much longer than it

1514
01:40:21,780 --> 01:40:25,680
should. I have open appeals in
some, and we'll see how that

1515
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:30,390
plays out. Going back to the
complaint, finishing it up here.

1516
01:40:31,500 --> 01:40:35,070
Three October 2017, after nearly
a decade of working with the ATF

1517
01:40:35,070 --> 01:40:39,480
portfolio decided decided to
resign my position within the

1518
01:40:39,480 --> 01:40:41,820
Pentagon and submit my
resignation letter, I

1519
01:40:41,820 --> 01:40:44,670
deliberately addressed my
resignation letter to the

1520
01:40:44,670 --> 01:40:48,210
Secretary himself knowing my
senior supervisor Mr. Gary Reed,

1521
01:40:48,420 --> 01:40:53,790
would not be able to hide it
from him. The remaining portion

1522
01:40:53,790 --> 01:40:56,670
of this document relates to
negative actions taken against

1523
01:40:56,670 --> 01:41:00,570
me to discredit, obfuscate and
misconstrue the truth resulting

1524
01:41:00,570 --> 01:41:04,020
in attacks on my credibility and
my government responsibilities

1525
01:41:04,050 --> 01:41:11,160
in which were a matter of public
record. This was that undated

1526
01:41:11,190 --> 01:41:14,340
resignation letter that was
submitted. I won't read it all

1527
01:41:14,340 --> 01:41:17,550
to you but this is has been
readily available for some time.

1528
01:41:17,940 --> 01:41:23,760
That was Luis Elizondo has a
resignation letter. And here's

1529
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:27,420
the portion of the complaint. So
now we've gone through the whole

1530
01:41:27,420 --> 01:41:31,710
timeline. And we've seen a lot
of kinds of issues and confusion

1531
01:41:31,710 --> 01:41:35,190
they're in my opinion,
discrepancies between what

1532
01:41:35,190 --> 01:41:40,470
people that who that were there
and and who were directly

1533
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:43,260
involved in OS app versus what
was in this complaint and what

1534
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:47,970
Elizondo has said in public
broadcasts a lot of that kind of

1535
01:41:47,970 --> 01:41:51,540
discrepancy stuff we've gone
over. But now let's get into Mr.

1536
01:41:51,540 --> 01:41:55,110
Elizondo has pointed allegations
to the three people that I

1537
01:41:55,110 --> 01:41:58,260
mentioned to you and see where
we end up.

1538
01:42:00,899 --> 01:42:04,259
Five October 2017, I received a
telephone call on my personal

1539
01:42:04,259 --> 01:42:07,919
cellular telephone from Mr. Gary
Reid's executive assistant, in

1540
01:42:07,919 --> 01:42:11,099
which she said Mr. Gary Reed
wanted to speak with me. I

1541
01:42:11,099 --> 01:42:14,129
reminded her that I was now a
civilian and that I was under no

1542
01:42:14,129 --> 01:42:17,249
obligation to speak with Mr.
Gary Reed. But in the spirit of

1543
01:42:17,249 --> 01:42:20,759
transparency, I would do so. She
acknowledged my comment and

1544
01:42:20,759 --> 01:42:24,449
transferred me to Mr. Gary Reed.
Directly during the

1545
01:42:24,449 --> 01:42:27,839
conversation, Mr. Gary Reed
asked me what he should do with

1546
01:42:27,839 --> 01:42:30,899
the letter. And I told him he
should do whatever he thinks is

1547
01:42:30,899 --> 01:42:33,899
prudent. But the letter was
intended for the Secretary of

1548
01:42:33,899 --> 01:42:37,739
Defense. Mr. Reid was clearly
upset with me and indicated that

1549
01:42:37,739 --> 01:42:41,399
he wanted to see me in his
office. He also said that he

1550
01:42:41,399 --> 01:42:44,489
would tell people you are crazy,
and it might impact your

1551
01:42:44,489 --> 01:42:48,059
security clearance. I responded
to Mr. Gary Reed by telling him

1552
01:42:48,059 --> 01:42:51,839
that he can take any action he
thinks is prudently necessary,

1553
01:42:51,959 --> 01:42:54,779
but that I was not mentally
impaired, nor have I ever

1554
01:42:54,779 --> 01:42:58,229
violated my security oath. I did
not meet personally with Mr.

1555
01:42:58,229 --> 01:43:01,049
Gary Reed after our discussion,
as I feared he would take

1556
01:43:01,049 --> 01:43:05,159
retribution against me. Note,
the fact that Mr. Guerin Mr.

1557
01:43:05,159 --> 01:43:07,559
Reid told me directly, he would
make efforts to undermine our

1558
01:43:07,559 --> 01:43:10,379
credibility and clearance by
threatening to officially

1559
01:43:10,379 --> 01:43:13,919
question my mental health shows
his personal targeted vendetta

1560
01:43:13,919 --> 01:43:17,729
and abuse of power against me
from the outset of my departure

1561
01:43:17,729 --> 01:43:22,859
from DOD. The fact is consistent
with continued falsehoods

1562
01:43:22,859 --> 01:43:25,919
repeated by the department
statements concerning me and

1563
01:43:25,919 --> 01:43:33,899
shows a repeated pattern of
abuse the question mark that I

1564
01:43:33,899 --> 01:43:37,949
had in this particular section
was this was the day after he

1565
01:43:37,949 --> 01:43:42,209
resigned his official
resignation date was for October

1566
01:43:42,389 --> 01:43:48,809
2017. According to Luis
Elizondo, Mr. Gary Reed within

1567
01:43:48,809 --> 01:43:51,809
24 hours was already calling him
saying I'm gonna make you look

1568
01:43:51,839 --> 01:43:54,929
crazy. I'm gonna make you look
like a fool. I'm going to make

1569
01:43:54,929 --> 01:43:57,569
you this. I'm gonna make you
that. But what I don't

1570
01:43:57,569 --> 01:44:02,909
understand is where in this
resignation letter and I invite

1571
01:44:02,909 --> 01:44:06,209
you to read it. Was there any
indicator that Mr. Elizondo was

1572
01:44:06,209 --> 01:44:10,169
going to go public and start
sharing his information to where

1573
01:44:10,199 --> 01:44:14,969
Gary Reid would have to target
him that way? I personally I

1574
01:44:14,969 --> 01:44:18,209
can't really find the connection
of of what he's saying is Gary

1575
01:44:18,209 --> 01:44:22,109
Reed is going to make the guy
look crazy internally so that

1576
01:44:22,109 --> 01:44:25,979
way if on the off chance Mr.
Elizondo is trying to get some

1577
01:44:25,979 --> 01:44:28,739
other government contractor
position he'll lose his

1578
01:44:28,739 --> 01:44:32,009
clearance it can't get it. I
don't know. I interviewed Mr.

1579
01:44:32,009 --> 01:44:36,869
Elizondo in January of 2021. Did
Then did you know that he tell

1580
01:44:36,869 --> 01:44:39,659
you about to the stars before
you,

1581
01:44:40,319 --> 01:44:44,609
Luis Elizondo: Jim semi van who,
who, who actually said, Hey, why

1582
01:44:44,609 --> 01:44:47,699
don't you consider jumping on
board with us if I regret that?

1583
01:44:47,789 --> 01:44:50,219
Don't hold me to it, but I know
we're going back three years

1584
01:44:50,219 --> 01:44:55,109
now. I'm pretty certain it was
Jim who actually was wanting to

1585
01:44:55,319 --> 01:44:57,149
offer me a position,

1586
01:44:57,809 --> 01:45:01,109
John Greenewald: pre resignation
or post Just for chronological

1587
01:45:01,109 --> 01:45:04,379
post post post, I got you. So
you

1588
01:45:04,409 --> 01:45:06,059
Luis Elizondo: Yeah, cuz I think
they knew that I was gonna wind

1589
01:45:06,059 --> 01:45:09,599
up working at I gotta be careful
though, I want to put a plug in

1590
01:45:09,599 --> 01:45:13,859
for it. I was gonna wind up
working, you know, probably at a

1591
01:45:13,859 --> 01:45:18,269
supermarket just to just to pay
my bills afterwards because, you

1592
01:45:18,269 --> 01:45:22,319
know, even though I had left the
department, I'm not the age of

1593
01:45:22,319 --> 01:45:25,919
retirement yet I can't collect
my pension. So, you know, I

1594
01:45:25,919 --> 01:45:27,359
still I still needed employment.

1595
01:45:27,659 --> 01:45:30,089
John Greenewald: So why are we
setting up Gary Reed? Is this

1596
01:45:30,539 --> 01:45:35,669
vendetta planning person within
24 hours saying, I'm gonna make

1597
01:45:35,669 --> 01:45:39,599
you look crazy, but make them
look crazy to who? The checker

1598
01:45:39,599 --> 01:45:44,579
at the supermarket he was about
to work with? No. So that also

1599
01:45:44,579 --> 01:45:48,329
doesn't make sense with what he
was saying. If you don't know

1600
01:45:48,329 --> 01:45:52,679
what Luis Elizondo said in
relation to joining TTSA and

1601
01:45:52,679 --> 01:45:56,159
what his original plans were,
again, working in a supermarket,

1602
01:45:56,309 --> 01:46:00,299
you might read that and go aha,
see? So this was the plan all

1603
01:46:00,299 --> 01:46:04,049
along, Mr. Evil scumbag, Gary
Reed is going to come along. And

1604
01:46:04,049 --> 01:46:07,199
when he comes public with TTSA
he's going to make them look

1605
01:46:07,199 --> 01:46:12,689
crazy. And that's the the origin
of this whole story. But that's

1606
01:46:12,689 --> 01:46:16,109
not the story, at least
according to Mr. Elizondo. So to

1607
01:46:16,109 --> 01:46:19,919
make them look crazy, according
to Mr. Elizondo, he was out he

1608
01:46:19,919 --> 01:46:24,179
was like I'm done. I'm gonna go
bag groceries and I'm going to

1609
01:46:24,179 --> 01:46:29,069
support my family in a very
again honorable American Way and

1610
01:46:29,069 --> 01:46:32,429
hold a job but away from
government away from security

1611
01:46:32,429 --> 01:46:38,189
clearance, and I'm gonna work at
a supermarket. And yet, there's

1612
01:46:38,189 --> 01:46:42,509
a different story being crafted
here within 24 hours of his

1613
01:46:42,509 --> 01:46:46,799
resignation letter that Gary
read, set it all up, that he was

1614
01:46:46,799 --> 01:46:51,029
going to make him look crazy.
Maybe he was going to but why

1615
01:46:51,059 --> 01:46:54,149
what motivation Woody, it just
kind of comes out of left field

1616
01:46:54,149 --> 01:47:00,419
in the story. November 2017.
Back to the complaint, after

1617
01:47:00,419 --> 01:47:03,239
several telephone calls from
former colleagues redacted,

1618
01:47:03,239 --> 01:47:07,109
redacted, redacted, and others
with no Usdi warning that Mr.

1619
01:47:07,109 --> 01:47:11,159
Gary Reed and redacted were
coming after me and insinuating

1620
01:47:11,159 --> 01:47:15,479
I was a fabricator, I decided to
obtain private legal counsel to

1621
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:20,099
ensure my security clearance
would not be in jeopardy. I was

1622
01:47:20,099 --> 01:47:23,219
informed that redacted was doing
the dirty work for Mr. Gary

1623
01:47:23,219 --> 01:47:25,709
Reed, and they were trying to
destroy my reputation at the

1624
01:47:25,709 --> 01:47:29,459
Pentagon. Knowing that both Gary
Reed and redacted were actively

1625
01:47:29,459 --> 01:47:33,539
working to hurt my security
clearance was and is extremely

1626
01:47:33,539 --> 01:47:38,999
concerning. On December 17 2017,
both the New York Times and

1627
01:47:38,999 --> 01:47:43,619
politico broke the story about
the a tip program. In both these

1628
01:47:43,619 --> 01:47:46,649
stories. Pentagon spokesperson
Dana White validated the

1629
01:47:46,649 --> 01:47:50,309
existence of the program, and my
role is lead. Here's what's

1630
01:47:50,309 --> 01:47:53,009
interesting about that, because
that specifically is more so the

1631
01:47:53,219 --> 01:47:57,749
politico pro politico article,
there were no attributable

1632
01:47:57,749 --> 01:48:02,759
quotes to Dana White, she was
mentioned. However,

1633
01:48:04,109 --> 01:48:07,619
she never had an attributable
attributable quote. So why isn't

1634
01:48:07,619 --> 01:48:11,249
this stuff ever black and white
the one time that we could solve

1635
01:48:11,249 --> 01:48:13,949
this whole mystery and have an
official statement on the record

1636
01:48:13,949 --> 01:48:17,729
about Luis Elizondo from a
Pentagon spokesperson, it

1637
01:48:17,729 --> 01:48:21,569
happens to have two aspects to
the story that we can't get away

1638
01:48:21,569 --> 01:48:25,139
from number one, there is no
attributable quote. So it's not

1639
01:48:25,139 --> 01:48:28,169
that I don't trust Brian bender.
But whenever you're putting

1640
01:48:28,169 --> 01:48:32,279
something on the DOD, in my
opinion, we should have some

1641
01:48:32,279 --> 01:48:36,659
kind of backup quote, or an
email. So maybe you could

1642
01:48:36,659 --> 01:48:39,209
paraphrase it in the article.
But if something starts to get

1643
01:48:39,209 --> 01:48:42,839
challenged like this, we can
share that email. It's public

1644
01:48:42,839 --> 01:48:46,049
record their public statements,
not off the record yet, Mr.

1645
01:48:46,049 --> 01:48:49,469
Bender, Politico, and no one
attached to the story has been

1646
01:48:49,469 --> 01:48:52,859
able to do that. Second thing
that's often forgotten about is

1647
01:48:52,859 --> 01:48:56,399
Dana White left with a big
controversy hanging over her

1648
01:48:56,399 --> 01:49:00,629
back she was led out the door
with a with a controversy that

1649
01:49:00,899 --> 01:49:05,099
that she was abusing her staff
and having them go pick up her

1650
01:49:05,129 --> 01:49:10,919
dry cleaning and stuff like
that. So she was not a prime

1651
01:49:11,339 --> 01:49:14,939
character witness here, just
simply because she was kind of

1652
01:49:14,969 --> 01:49:19,049
she left in disgrace from the
DOD. So nothing is ever black

1653
01:49:19,049 --> 01:49:23,819
and white in the story. 18
December 2017. During an

1654
01:49:23,819 --> 01:49:27,089
interview at CNN headquarters in
Washington, DC, former

1655
01:49:27,089 --> 01:49:30,059
Undersecretary of Defense for
intelligence and former Director

1656
01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:33,689
of National Intelligence General
James Clapper, indicated to me

1657
01:49:33,689 --> 01:49:37,979
and my spouse that he was very
happy. We had a UFO program at

1658
01:49:37,979 --> 01:49:44,219
the Pentagon and was proud that
I ran it. No idea. I mean, okay,

1659
01:49:44,249 --> 01:49:48,509
so away from the fact that
that's hearsay. Let's talk about

1660
01:49:48,509 --> 01:49:51,509
James clapper. Why would he say
the proud that he ran it? Well,

1661
01:49:51,509 --> 01:49:54,959
it's just because they had a
backdoor meeting at CNN because

1662
01:49:54,959 --> 01:49:57,419
they were being interviewed on
the same program at different

1663
01:49:57,419 --> 01:50:01,559
times. Did clapper know about
like There should be some kind

1664
01:50:01,559 --> 01:50:06,719
of context here. And yet there
is none. And you'll see quite a

1665
01:50:06,719 --> 01:50:10,229
few slides from now but one of
the attachments is a photo back

1666
01:50:10,259 --> 01:50:15,959
back stage on CNNs. You know,
back back green rooms or

1667
01:50:15,959 --> 01:50:19,499
wherever they were of James
Clapper and Luis Elizondo posing

1668
01:50:19,499 --> 01:50:22,679
for a photo. But why why was he
proud? Like, did he just hear

1669
01:50:22,679 --> 01:50:25,379
the story and say, Yeah, well,
I'm glad that aerial threats, we

1670
01:50:25,379 --> 01:50:28,229
should look into it. Well,
that's not surprising at all. So

1671
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:30,509
again, these kinds of things are
thrown out there that sound

1672
01:50:30,509 --> 01:50:33,659
really good, but when you start
digging in at the context of it,

1673
01:50:34,019 --> 01:50:37,079
it doesn't necessarily really
play out the way that it was

1674
01:50:37,079 --> 01:50:41,549
intended. February 2018, after
the publishing of New York Times

1675
01:50:41,549 --> 01:50:44,519
article about a tip and my role,
I received several more

1676
01:50:44,519 --> 01:50:47,639
telephone calls from former
associates, who stated that Mr.

1677
01:50:47,639 --> 01:50:50,549
Reid had launched an
investigation against me through

1678
01:50:50,549 --> 01:50:53,759
the US Air Force Office of
Special Investigations in the

1679
01:50:53,759 --> 01:50:57,089
hopes of finding derogatory
information about me, and or to

1680
01:50:57,089 --> 01:51:00,809
substantiate his claim of mental
instability. I was also notified

1681
01:51:00,809 --> 01:51:04,259
that my DoD computer systems
were confiscated in an attempt

1682
01:51:04,259 --> 01:51:07,169
to determine if I had taken any
information with me in an

1683
01:51:07,169 --> 01:51:12,569
unauthorized manner. That's not
too surprising, given the fact

1684
01:51:12,569 --> 01:51:17,489
that those videos that he wanted
for internal use, were now

1685
01:51:17,489 --> 01:51:20,879
blasted on the New York Times
politico and pretty much every

1686
01:51:21,119 --> 01:51:26,159
news outlet imaginable. So in
Mr. Elizondo his own words, he

1687
01:51:26,189 --> 01:51:30,089
who is attached to the internal
process to get them reviewed for

1688
01:51:30,089 --> 01:51:33,779
what he calls a internal
database. Why wouldn't you

1689
01:51:33,779 --> 01:51:36,779
investigate that? If these
things all of a sudden ended up

1690
01:51:36,779 --> 01:51:42,119
smashed all over the media? So
to give this type of context to

1691
01:51:42,119 --> 01:51:46,829
the story, it now makes sense
why afosr would investigate? Was

1692
01:51:46,829 --> 01:51:51,779
it instigated by Gary Reed? I
don't know. It's quite possible.

1693
01:51:52,469 --> 01:51:58,229
Who cares? The reality is that
perm Mr. Elizondo, those words?

1694
01:51:58,739 --> 01:52:02,219
Those videos were never supposed
to be out in the open. He

1695
01:52:02,219 --> 01:52:06,509
intended them to be used
internally. What happened? They

1696
01:52:06,509 --> 01:52:09,869
get blasted all over the place.
So of course they're going to

1697
01:52:09,869 --> 01:52:12,929
take it seriously. It doesn't
matter if the biggest scumbag

1698
01:52:12,929 --> 01:52:18,119
within the DOD is out to get
anybody. It does not matter. The

1699
01:52:18,119 --> 01:52:21,869
context of the story actually
shows why they would do the

1700
01:52:21,869 --> 01:52:25,469
investigation. So was it
instigated by Gary Reed? It's

1701
01:52:25,469 --> 01:52:30,089
irrelevant. The truth behind it
is videos were blasted that

1702
01:52:30,089 --> 01:52:34,109
should not have been out March
2018.

1703
01:52:36,029 --> 01:52:38,909
I was informed by a member of
the DoD IG that Mr. Gary Reed

1704
01:52:38,909 --> 01:52:42,059
was under a formal inspector
general investigation for

1705
01:52:42,059 --> 01:52:45,959
inappropriate relations, with
redacted and an additional

1706
01:52:45,959 --> 01:52:48,659
accusation of possible sexual
harassment against one of my

1707
01:52:48,929 --> 01:52:52,229
former subordinates redacted.
Later that year, I was

1708
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:54,809
interviewed by two
representatives from DOD IG

1709
01:52:54,809 --> 01:52:58,589
regarding the conduct of Mr.
Gary Reed. I explained that I

1710
01:52:58,589 --> 01:53:01,919
did not trust Mr. Gary Reed
based upon personal observations

1711
01:53:01,919 --> 01:53:06,059
while employed as a DOD
civilian. I also indicated that

1712
01:53:06,059 --> 01:53:08,879
there was a strong likelihood of
Mr. Gary Reed seeking

1713
01:53:08,879 --> 01:53:11,669
retribution against me for
leaving the department in the

1714
01:53:11,669 --> 01:53:15,329
manner I did results available
within controlled DoD IG

1715
01:53:15,329 --> 01:53:19,139
channels. I was assured by DOD
IG personnel that this threat

1716
01:53:19,139 --> 01:53:24,419
was unconscionable. 2019 under a
Freedom of Information Act

1717
01:53:24,419 --> 01:53:27,419
request by a member of the media
it was revealed that an official

1718
01:53:27,419 --> 01:53:31,139
US afosr investigation was
conducted regarding three

1719
01:53:31,139 --> 01:53:34,289
unclassified videos that were
authorized for release in this

1720
01:53:34,289 --> 01:53:38,159
investigation. There were no
findings of me conducting any

1721
01:53:38,309 --> 01:53:44,339
kind of unauthorized disclosure.
Note I was contacted on April

1722
01:53:44,339 --> 01:53:48,869
21 2021, by defense countering
Intelligence and Security Agency

1723
01:53:48,869 --> 01:53:53,069
Special Agent redacted advising,
I was required to submit a new

1724
01:53:53,069 --> 01:53:56,369
interview for my security
clearance even though it was

1725
01:53:56,369 --> 01:54:02,819
just ad adjudicated, approved in
January 2021. I engaged with

1726
01:54:02,819 --> 01:54:09,239
redacted twice, April 26 2021
and April 27 2021. In this new

1727
01:54:09,239 --> 01:54:13,199
interview, one of the inaccurate
allegations redacted stated was

1728
01:54:13,199 --> 01:54:16,619
that three videos were released
inappropriately by me. She was

1729
01:54:16,619 --> 01:54:20,399
unaware of the previous afosr
investigation that concluded no

1730
01:54:20,399 --> 01:54:24,029
wrongdoing on my part related to
this specific matter, in my

1731
01:54:24,029 --> 01:54:29,969
opinion, also untrue. Why the
actual evidence? If you look at

1732
01:54:29,969 --> 01:54:34,289
it, it didn't say that he didn't
do any wrongdoing. It clearly if

1733
01:54:34,289 --> 01:54:38,249
you read the redactions between
the lines, I mean, it's no

1734
01:54:38,249 --> 01:54:42,209
secret he filed the DD Form 1910
It's no secret that he didn't

1735
01:54:42,209 --> 01:54:45,449
want them to be distributed to
the media, but rather he wanted

1736
01:54:45,449 --> 01:54:49,829
them for internal use only. But
a reminder, the guy who reviewed

1737
01:54:49,829 --> 01:54:53,759
the information stated he would
not have approved the videos for

1738
01:54:53,759 --> 01:54:58,139
release to the media. So if this
was done properly, and they were

1739
01:54:58,139 --> 01:55:01,829
properly described what they
would be used for they wouldn't

1740
01:55:01,829 --> 01:55:05,549
have gotten the approval. So
that doesn't equate to you

1741
01:55:05,549 --> 01:55:10,109
didn't do anything wrong. That
just means that it wasn't framed

1742
01:55:10,109 --> 01:55:15,989
correctly. So mistakes were
made. Additionally, we I think

1743
01:55:15,989 --> 01:55:19,109
we can safely say that Elizondo
never received confirmation that

1744
01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:24,359
the videos were declassified. So
what's going on here? And that's

1745
01:55:24,359 --> 01:55:28,859
what I want to know is why are
we making certain claims that

1746
01:55:28,859 --> 01:55:36,029
just aren't backed up? This
breaks down more of that AF OSI

1747
01:55:36,059 --> 01:55:42,539
investigation to prove my point.
It was not about wrongdoing by

1748
01:55:42,839 --> 01:55:46,919
Luis Elizondo, but rather it was
about and look at the subject,

1749
01:55:47,249 --> 01:55:50,339
Air Force Office of Special
Investigation detachment 334

1750
01:55:50,339 --> 01:55:55,709
case law number December 2017.
unauthorized disclosure of

1751
01:55:55,709 --> 01:55:59,969
potential classified DoD videos.
This wasn't an investigation

1752
01:55:59,999 --> 01:56:04,019
into Elizondo himself but rather
an investigation on whether or

1753
01:56:04,019 --> 01:56:08,489
not classified videos were
currently being disseminated sit

1754
01:56:08,489 --> 01:56:12,449
tight because I think you'll see
the differentiation between this

1755
01:56:12,449 --> 01:56:16,739
investigation and another one
which clearly upset Elizondo,

1756
01:56:16,829 --> 01:56:20,939
but I think in my personal
opinion, is actually warranted

1757
01:56:20,969 --> 01:56:25,649
and make sense. You can see here
that number six that was checked

1758
01:56:25,679 --> 01:56:31,499
attached is forwarded for
action. This is key the AF OSI

1759
01:56:31,499 --> 01:56:35,129
report, which again outlined I
didn't go through it word for

1760
01:56:35,129 --> 01:56:38,669
word I invite you to do so but I
highlighted the key parts that

1761
01:56:38,669 --> 01:56:42,149
this wasn't just for information
purposes, meaning Elizondo was

1762
01:56:42,149 --> 01:56:45,029
cleared. You don't have to do
anything. Here's the

1763
01:56:45,299 --> 01:56:49,439
information. There you go.
Rather, they said, Here you go

1764
01:56:49,439 --> 01:56:54,569
DOD, or OSD. This is our
investigation submitted to you

1765
01:56:54,599 --> 01:56:55,799
for action.

1766
01:56:58,350 --> 01:57:00,720
Jumping down here to this
section of the investigation,

1767
01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:02,730
the requests were released,
there was no indication the

1768
01:57:02,730 --> 01:57:05,940
videos would be released to any
news media outlet. The reason

1769
01:57:05,940 --> 01:57:08,370
for publication was listed as
not applicable not for

1770
01:57:08,370 --> 01:57:12,000
publication research and
analysis only an info sharing

1771
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:14,910
with other US government and
industry partners for the

1772
01:57:14,910 --> 01:57:17,970
purposes of developing a
database to help identify,

1773
01:57:17,970 --> 01:57:23,010
analyze and ultimately defeat
UAS threats. Blank stated he

1774
01:57:23,010 --> 01:57:25,350
would not have approved the
video for release to the media.

1775
01:57:25,380 --> 01:57:28,020
Additionally, blank never
received confirmation the videos

1776
01:57:28,020 --> 01:57:30,750
were declassified. I know I
already read that to you. But

1777
01:57:30,750 --> 01:57:34,140
it's important to read again,
because this I believe plays

1778
01:57:34,140 --> 01:57:39,840
into the action that they
submitted in April of 2018 on

1779
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:41,310
the 21st to be exact.

1780
01:57:44,250 --> 01:57:50,370
Now look at this as of May of
2021. According to Elizondo, I

1781
01:57:50,370 --> 01:57:53,550
am now under increased scrutiny
regarding my security clearance.

1782
01:57:53,790 --> 01:57:56,520
The investigative body is the
defense counterintelligence

1783
01:57:56,520 --> 01:58:01,500
security agency or dcsa. Despite
a previous favorable as OSI

1784
01:58:01,500 --> 01:58:04,440
investigation, I am under
accusation of releasing the

1785
01:58:04,440 --> 01:58:08,130
videos in an unauthorized
manner. In addition, other false

1786
01:58:08,130 --> 01:58:10,380
allegations have been made
against me including statements

1787
01:58:10,380 --> 01:58:12,870
I never made on the History
Channel television show

1788
01:58:12,900 --> 01:58:17,130
unidentified inside America's
UFO investigation. It should be

1789
01:58:17,130 --> 01:58:19,980
noted that the dcsa falls
directly under the cognizance of

1790
01:58:19,980 --> 01:58:23,580
Mr. Gary Reed. At one point
during my conversation with the

1791
01:58:23,580 --> 01:58:27,600
investigator redacted, the
discussion involved my role in a

1792
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:31,950
tip as I explained my former
leadership role, redacted

1793
01:58:31,950 --> 01:58:34,830
interrupted me and stated no one
is arguing the fact he ran a

1794
01:58:34,830 --> 01:58:38,490
tip. This issue is regarding the
videos. I was shocked and

1795
01:58:38,490 --> 01:58:41,610
surprised to hear this given the
current public stance of MS

1796
01:58:41,610 --> 01:58:45,780
golf. If the investigators at
dcsa are aware of my role in a

1797
01:58:45,780 --> 01:58:49,080
tip, why is the Pentagon taking
a different stance publicly?

1798
01:58:49,890 --> 01:58:53,910
Furthermore, why am I able?
Excuse me? Furthermore, why am I

1799
01:58:53,910 --> 01:58:58,920
being reinvestigated over an
issue after already being

1800
01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:04,470
exonerated? Here's the problem.
Also, I believe in my opinion,

1801
01:59:04,770 --> 01:59:08,520
untrue. Let's dissect it. This
was submitted for action.

1802
01:59:08,550 --> 01:59:12,270
They're now looking at Mr
Elizondo why the action is based

1803
01:59:12,270 --> 01:59:16,230
on the fact that Mr Elizondo
stated one thing on the form,

1804
01:59:16,590 --> 01:59:20,220
never received confirmation that
the videos were declassified.

1805
01:59:20,430 --> 01:59:24,030
And it was clear that the OCA
said nope, if I knew that they

1806
01:59:24,030 --> 01:59:27,540
were going to be winding up in
the media, I would not have done

1807
01:59:27,540 --> 01:59:31,080
it would not have approved them
for public release. So of

1808
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:34,920
course, naturally, that action
is going to be okay. At least

1809
01:59:34,920 --> 01:59:39,690
AFS I determined that the videos
were unclassified, which was the

1810
01:59:39,690 --> 01:59:44,100
end of their report. So when it
came to the video subject of the

1811
01:59:44,100 --> 01:59:47,760
investigation, and that portion,
it was determined that

1812
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:51,840
classified information was not
floating around. But that did

1813
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:56,280
not mean that there was not miss
handling of that information,

1814
01:59:56,340 --> 02:00:00,870
potentially, by Mr. Elizondo who
was tied to The whole story,

1815
02:00:01,110 --> 02:00:07,470
hence the action by dcsa. They
now look into the person behind

1816
02:00:07,470 --> 02:00:10,530
all of it. But does it make
sense that it would take this

1817
02:00:10,530 --> 02:00:14,460
long to do an investigation?
Well, keep in mind afosr stopped

1818
02:00:14,460 --> 02:00:19,740
in 2018 Luis Elizondo was
already out of government at

1819
02:00:19,740 --> 02:00:25,860
that point. So why in 2021, did
all of a sudden he start getting

1820
02:00:25,860 --> 02:00:29,460
the scrutiny? We can only
speculate at this point. But it

1821
02:00:29,460 --> 02:00:32,670
is quite possible that
everything that I just outlined,

1822
02:00:33,270 --> 02:00:37,530
plays into why they started to
do it. And maybe another part of

1823
02:00:37,530 --> 02:00:41,760
this is that he was going to
start utilizing his security

1824
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:47,310
clearance again. So dcsa
decides, based on this previous

1825
02:00:47,310 --> 02:00:51,300
report investigation by AFL Si,
there was no need to do it in

1826
02:00:51,300 --> 02:00:56,370
2018. Because Luis Elizondo was
still with T TSA didn't need a

1827
02:00:56,490 --> 02:01:00,420
security clearance. But now
let's say with all these rumors

1828
02:01:00,420 --> 02:01:03,780
that Luis Elizondo is consulting
for Space Force or Space

1829
02:01:03,780 --> 02:01:07,260
Command, whatever it might be.
Now, all of a sudden, maybe when

1830
02:01:07,260 --> 02:01:10,530
he did start getting this extra
scrutiny, he needed his

1831
02:01:10,530 --> 02:01:13,350
clearance again, he needed that
to utilize that security

1832
02:01:13,350 --> 02:01:16,620
clearance that although was
sitting there, now it's being

1833
02:01:16,620 --> 02:01:20,520
utilized. So quite possibly,
they look back and say, Hey, we

1834
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:24,870
had this pending 2018 action now
that he's going back to work as

1835
02:01:24,870 --> 02:01:29,880
a contractor. We need to pursue
it. Of course, I will make sure

1836
02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:32,850
you guys know that there's
speculation in there. But it

1837
02:01:32,850 --> 02:01:37,110
does make sense based on the
evidence that that's put forth,

1838
02:01:37,410 --> 02:01:41,610
that they would look into this.
I don't know what exactly he's

1839
02:01:41,610 --> 02:01:47,700
referring to about the
statements made in unidentified,

1840
02:01:48,240 --> 02:01:52,260
I have a guest but I don't want
to speculate too much there. So

1841
02:01:52,260 --> 02:01:55,590
I'm not entirely sure without
seeing any paperwork from dcsa.

1842
02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:59,700
So I'm just going by what I see
here, and if he's saying that

1843
02:01:59,700 --> 02:02:04,350
he's being reinvestigated, that
is untrue. afosr was looking at

1844
02:02:04,350 --> 02:02:08,790
the videos, dcsa was looking at
the person. This was submitted

1845
02:02:08,790 --> 02:02:12,510
for action based on this, this
all makes sense. So this

1846
02:02:12,510 --> 02:02:14,640
narrative, I believe, is wrong.

1847
02:02:17,010 --> 02:02:20,190
The second part of this
interrupted me and stating no

1848
02:02:20,190 --> 02:02:23,040
one is arguing the fact that you
ran a tip, this issue is

1849
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:27,750
regarding the videos, yet again,
crafting a narrative that isn't

1850
02:02:27,750 --> 02:02:32,910
true. He's trying to play off of
this stating Aha, well, nobody's

1851
02:02:32,910 --> 02:02:37,560
questioning it, ergo, it's true,
and you believe it. So why is

1852
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:41,460
Susan Goff stating otherwise.
But to an investigator, it

1853
02:02:41,460 --> 02:02:46,350
doesn't matter if he ran a tip
or not like none of that was

1854
02:02:46,350 --> 02:02:50,130
part of the scope of the
investigation, not part of the

1855
02:02:50,130 --> 02:02:54,720
stated scope of afosr eyes
investigation, and not part of

1856
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:59,280
the implied scope that Mr.
Elizondo describes the dcsa

1857
02:02:59,580 --> 02:03:03,150
investigation, but rather the
fact that they go look, we're

1858
02:03:03,150 --> 02:03:06,570
not investigating whether or not
you ran a tip. Essentially, they

1859
02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:10,890
wouldn't care that that's
irrelevant to the investigation.

1860
02:03:11,070 --> 02:03:15,810
What is relevant is the handling
of classified information. So a

1861
02:03:15,810 --> 02:03:18,150
lot of people come after me go
now you're playing semantics.

1862
02:03:18,450 --> 02:03:23,370
This is a clear indicator of
semantics and twisting, what is

1863
02:03:23,640 --> 02:03:29,010
what is said, to benefit you?
And yes, I do believe that,

1864
02:03:29,160 --> 02:03:33,750
because you have to look at all
of this in its totality. Because

1865
02:03:33,750 --> 02:03:37,200
the evidence goes against the
crafted narrative. That's what

1866
02:03:37,200 --> 02:03:40,350
we have to do hone in on just
that it makes it look like

1867
02:03:40,350 --> 02:03:43,920
Elizondo is a target. Look at
the totality of the evidence

1868
02:03:44,070 --> 02:03:48,660
tells you a different story. I
often say documents don't lie,

1869
02:03:49,110 --> 02:03:52,650
even though there can be lies on
them. This is what I mean by it.

1870
02:03:53,460 --> 02:03:57,030
You look at something and what
people say. But then when you

1871
02:03:57,030 --> 02:04:00,240
take all of the evidence and
then look at it, it could

1872
02:04:00,240 --> 02:04:03,870
potentially tell you a different
story. And that's what I mean by

1873
02:04:03,870 --> 02:04:09,150
all of this. Let me give you Mr.
Elizondo his own words here in a

1874
02:04:09,150 --> 02:04:13,560
port in an in an important part
of my interview with him, and

1875
02:04:13,560 --> 02:04:16,710
I'll let you determine on
whether or not any of this is

1876
02:04:16,710 --> 02:04:25,200
truly how you feel it played
out. According to the DoD

1877
02:04:25,200 --> 02:04:29,310
anyway, those videos had to
adhere to what was on that what

1878
02:04:29,310 --> 02:04:31,950
they call the DD Form 1910,
which we didn't label it yet.

1879
02:04:31,950 --> 02:04:36,420
But the DD Form 1910 was for
that private, US government use

1880
02:04:36,420 --> 02:04:39,960
only and when Christopher Mellon
had come out recently, he had

1881
02:04:39,960 --> 02:04:43,260
said that he supplied those
videos to the New York Times.

1882
02:04:43,560 --> 02:04:46,650
Then in the James Fox, his great
documentary in that Christopher

1883
02:04:46,650 --> 02:04:49,500
Mellon came out and said
somebody didn't name them but

1884
02:04:49,500 --> 02:04:55,770
somebody bent the rules. That
was, what his wording was. Which

1885
02:04:55,800 --> 02:04:59,070
I want to juxtapose that with
how we were shown the videos

1886
02:04:59,070 --> 02:05:02,220
from to the stars. Anatomy, I
don't expect you to speak for to

1887
02:05:02,220 --> 02:05:05,820
the stars. I'm not asking you
to. But I do want to ask about

1888
02:05:05,820 --> 02:05:09,030
what they call the chain of
custody, because that's another

1889
02:05:09,030 --> 02:05:12,930
one of those disconnects where
paperwork says internal use only

1890
02:05:13,110 --> 02:05:17,160
cleared for that, then we see
the videos. And they were kind

1891
02:05:17,160 --> 02:05:21,120
of advertised at well not kind
of they were advertised as going

1892
02:05:21,120 --> 02:05:23,910
through the declassification
process through DOD. Is that

1893
02:05:23,910 --> 02:05:26,370
accurate? So what is that study?

1894
02:05:26,520 --> 02:05:28,470
Luis Elizondo: You know, I can't
speak for Chris Mellon. And

1895
02:05:28,470 --> 02:05:31,800
quite frankly, I've never asked
Chris, I don't want to know, you

1896
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:35,670
know, there's a just a plausible
deniability is sometimes a good

1897
02:05:35,670 --> 02:05:40,560
thing. But out of respect to
Chris, I never asked him this

1898
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:43,770
source. And I don't really plan
to to be honest with you. That's

1899
02:05:43,770 --> 02:05:50,700
between Chris and whoever he
talked to, you know, the, how

1900
02:05:50,700 --> 02:05:58,080
TTSA wound up putting them
forward? I will tell you, if you

1901
02:05:58,080 --> 02:06:01,380
were to ask me, you know, I
probably would have been more

1902
02:06:01,380 --> 02:06:05,700
hesitant to do that. But, you
know, it happened. And it

1903
02:06:05,700 --> 02:06:09,750
happened without me knowing.
That really wasn't you. I

1904
02:06:09,750 --> 02:06:11,520
John Greenewald: had no idea
that they that they were going

1905
02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:12,660
to release those videos.

1906
02:06:14,399 --> 02:06:19,319
Luis Elizondo: Not until the New
York Times article. Yeah. That

1907
02:06:19,319 --> 02:06:23,249
was not I was not I was not
aware.

1908
02:06:26,189 --> 02:06:28,559
John Greenewald: Were you aware
they had them? If I can ask

1909
02:06:28,559 --> 02:06:28,919
that?

1910
02:06:34,229 --> 02:06:41,849
Luis Elizondo: Now, actually,
let me think. John, I don't

1911
02:06:41,849 --> 02:06:44,939
recall I really don't I don't
think because I remember being

1912
02:06:44,939 --> 02:06:49,919
very surprised. Because the
intent originally was for a

1913
02:06:49,949 --> 02:06:53,309
community of interest and
unclassified. But for official

1914
02:06:53,309 --> 02:06:58,709
use only, if you will, community
of interest. And I didn't, I

1915
02:06:58,709 --> 02:07:02,819
wasn't the one who provided
them. So I really don't know

1916
02:07:03,209 --> 02:07:05,999
what TTSA was thinking you
probably want to talk to them as

1917
02:07:05,999 --> 02:07:11,339
you know, I no longer publicly
affiliated with with TTSA.

1918
02:07:11,339 --> 02:07:14,669
They're, they're great people.
Great guy, you know, you still

1919
02:07:14,669 --> 02:07:18,479
talk. But I, I can't speak for
TTS I

1920
02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:20,520
John Greenewald: got you know,
and I understand that and

1921
02:07:20,520 --> 02:07:26,310
respect that. So that is my
interview with him. And he had

1922
02:07:26,310 --> 02:07:28,860
no idea according to him
couldn't couldn't think that he

1923
02:07:28,860 --> 02:07:32,100
found out kinda with the rest of
us. Remember, he's the one that

1924
02:07:32,100 --> 02:07:35,970
filed the paperwork internally.
And he doesn't know who

1925
02:07:35,970 --> 02:07:38,910
Christopher Mellon's source is.
So let's operate off the

1926
02:07:38,910 --> 02:07:42,780
assumption that that is correct.
And that he had no idea and he

1927
02:07:42,780 --> 02:07:46,710
didn't even want to want to ask
Chris for plausible deniability

1928
02:07:46,710 --> 02:07:52,740
reasons. Yet, this photograph
here came from what is kind of

1929
02:07:52,740 --> 02:07:56,160
known in this conversation as
the Chris Mellon leak, and I

1930
02:07:56,160 --> 02:07:59,550
don't like leaks. But it's
important here because number

1931
02:07:59,550 --> 02:08:03,480
one, it's not classified. And we
know exactly what it is now. And

1932
02:08:03,480 --> 02:08:06,900
I'll show you Chris melons, own
words. But on top of that, it

1933
02:08:06,900 --> 02:08:10,620
gives a very important piece of
the puzzle that goes against the

1934
02:08:10,620 --> 02:08:15,150
context and claim made in the IG
complaint that I've been reading

1935
02:08:15,150 --> 02:08:18,630
you guys. And also the clip that
I just showed, you have what Mr.

1936
02:08:18,630 --> 02:08:25,620
Elizondo told to me. These were
DVDs or CDs, I think DVDs of the

1937
02:08:25,650 --> 02:08:29,220
videos. There's four, I know
there's three videos, a lot of

1938
02:08:29,220 --> 02:08:33,090
question marks there. I would
actually venture to guess that

1939
02:08:33,090 --> 02:08:38,370
the DD Form 1910 is potentially
on the fourth disk, why would

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02:08:38,370 --> 02:08:42,570
they spread them over four discs
and not just put them on one is

1941
02:08:42,570 --> 02:08:45,180
likely this is a guess, and a
little speculation, but I think

1942
02:08:45,180 --> 02:08:51,270
that it's it's potentially an
educated guess that each medium,

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02:08:51,300 --> 02:08:55,620
each file could potentially be
classified different. So you're

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02:08:55,620 --> 02:08:59,010
not going to put an unclassified
a secret and a top secret file

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02:08:59,010 --> 02:09:02,250
generally, on the same disk when
being released out into the

1946
02:09:02,250 --> 02:09:06,090
public. This is potentially they
burned one at a time, ensuring

1947
02:09:06,090 --> 02:09:09,840
that each particular media on
each particular disk was

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02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:15,420
unclassified. Okay, the fourth
so 123 would be the videos for

1949
02:09:15,420 --> 02:09:19,470
potentially is that paperwork to
go along with it that they said

1950
02:09:19,560 --> 02:09:23,370
in the very beginning was that
chain of custody that no one was

1951
02:09:23,370 --> 02:09:27,390
able to show? So then that chain
of custody turned into the DD

1952
02:09:27,390 --> 02:09:32,070
Form 1910 as talked about on
coast to coast, then that turned

1953
02:09:32,070 --> 02:09:35,850
into Wait, I never wanted this
to be out in the open. And I

1954
02:09:35,850 --> 02:09:40,650
have no idea how it got out in
the open. Yet. The Chris Mellon

1955
02:09:40,650 --> 02:09:45,930
leak shows us exactly how it got
out into the open. This was the

1956
02:09:45,930 --> 02:09:51,900
envelope that was given to Luis
Elizondo I haven't seen who are

1957
02:09:51,900 --> 02:09:57,210
Essex is likely somebody
internally that works for, you

1958
02:09:57,210 --> 02:10:00,480
know, a department in the DoD
that makes whether we IT

1959
02:10:00,480 --> 02:10:04,410
department I don't know. Again,
lots of guesses here again,

1960
02:10:04,440 --> 02:10:08,760
irrelevant, but rather this is
the person burned these discs

1961
02:10:08,760 --> 02:10:12,510
for Luis Elizondo. What's
interesting here though, is the

1962
02:10:12,510 --> 02:10:17,520
date Christopher Mellon for 1600
hours. So that's four o'clock on

1963
02:10:17,520 --> 02:10:24,000
the seventh of September 2017,
the DD Form 1910 was stamped,

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02:10:24,240 --> 02:10:28,230
only about a week or so, week
and a half or so prior to this

1965
02:10:28,470 --> 02:10:34,920
for the internal use. So only in
about 10 days. Did these discs

1966
02:10:34,920 --> 02:10:37,920
get sent to Luis Elizondo after
he got approved for that

1967
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:41,550
internal release. And again, I'm
punching this point because it's

1968
02:10:41,550 --> 02:10:47,190
important, only internal use as
intended by Luis Elizondo, it

1969
02:10:47,190 --> 02:10:52,530
only took about 10 days for him
to lose that data. regardless of

1970
02:10:52,530 --> 02:10:55,920
it being listed as unclassified.
That does not mean you can give

1971
02:10:55,920 --> 02:10:59,370
it to anybody. There is things
called controlled unclassified

1972
02:10:59,370 --> 02:11:02,280
information. But there's also
unclassified information that's

1973
02:11:02,280 --> 02:11:06,270
exempt from disclosure, all
different things, and he is not

1974
02:11:06,270 --> 02:11:11,850
a release authority. So it took
within 10 or so days to lose

1975
02:11:11,850 --> 02:11:16,380
this information to wind up in
the hands of somebody who wanted

1976
02:11:16,380 --> 02:11:20,940
to leak it. To Christopher
Mellon. They did so on the

1977
02:11:20,940 --> 02:11:26,670
seventh of September of 2017.
And here in Christopher Mellon

1978
02:11:26,670 --> 02:11:28,980
zone words, is that story.

1979
02:11:30,449 --> 02:11:32,429
Unknown: I knew this was
breaking news for the front page

1980
02:11:32,429 --> 02:11:35,999
of The New York Times, former
Deputy Assistant Secretary of

1981
02:11:35,999 --> 02:11:39,899
Defense for intelligence,
Christopher Mellon managed to

1982
02:11:39,899 --> 02:11:43,619
obtain the tapes from the
Pentagon, and chose the New York

1983
02:11:43,619 --> 02:11:48,449
Times to break the story. I
received the videos, the now

1984
02:11:48,449 --> 02:11:52,499
famous videos in the Pentagon
parking lot. From the Defense

1985
02:11:52,499 --> 02:11:54,899
Department official, I still
have the originals in the

1986
02:11:54,899 --> 02:11:59,939
packaging. This is a case where
somebody bent the rules a little

1987
02:11:59,939 --> 02:12:05,009
bit. And they did so for the
larger good. And we're

1988
02:12:05,009 --> 02:12:06,959
absolutely all better off
because of the

1989
02:12:07,409 --> 02:12:09,749
John Greenewald: credit to James
Fox in his excellent

1990
02:12:09,779 --> 02:12:13,559
documentary, The phenomenon for
that clip, obviously, all

1991
02:12:13,559 --> 02:12:17,699
copyrights given to him. But I
wanted to show that clip because

1992
02:12:17,699 --> 02:12:22,109
clearly, rules were bent. This
came out from a Department of

1993
02:12:22,109 --> 02:12:26,399
Defense official, he still has
the wrapping. So clearly, what

1994
02:12:26,399 --> 02:12:31,499
we are looking at is the the UFO
videos that he took a picture of

1995
02:12:31,499 --> 02:12:34,349
and put it on his web server. I
didn't tell this part of the

1996
02:12:34,349 --> 02:12:38,219
story. But in short, that leak
was not necessarily a hack or

1997
02:12:38,219 --> 02:12:43,739
anything bad. Mr. Mellon had put
all of this data on his web

1998
02:12:43,739 --> 02:12:49,469
server. And it was at this
public web server that somebody

1999
02:12:49,469 --> 02:12:53,219
stumbled on it. I believe they
refer to him as Twitter user J.

2000
02:12:53,339 --> 02:12:57,539
Still around I believe in kind
of UFO Twitter, but stumbled

2001
02:12:57,539 --> 02:13:00,899
upon it released it kind of the
rest was history. So now we kind

2002
02:13:00,899 --> 02:13:05,159
of put all this together. Do we
really believe that Mr. Elizondo

2003
02:13:05,159 --> 02:13:09,089
had zero idea? And again, if we
do, which is fine. I'm not here

2004
02:13:09,089 --> 02:13:13,199
to say the man is lying. But if
we do, then that means within 10

2005
02:13:13,199 --> 02:13:17,429
days, he was careless with the
information. It got out into the

2006
02:13:17,429 --> 02:13:21,749
open rules were bent, which
ended up in Christopher Mellon's

2007
02:13:21,749 --> 02:13:25,529
hands. He later admitted in that
documentary that he was the

2008
02:13:25,529 --> 02:13:29,399
source for the New York Times.
So it went to the media and

2009
02:13:29,399 --> 02:13:36,119
boom, media frenzy ensued. Why
wouldn't you look into that? Why

2010
02:13:36,119 --> 02:13:40,409
would Mr. Elizondo challenge
that, if he didn't know then he

2011
02:13:40,409 --> 02:13:45,449
lost the material, that that
envelope had his name on it, it

2012
02:13:45,449 --> 02:13:49,709
was delivered to him. So he lost
it if we believe Him to His

2013
02:13:49,709 --> 02:13:53,669
Word, and that's fine. Then he
lost it, and was careless with

2014
02:13:53,669 --> 02:13:57,419
the information. afosr says,
Look, we determined the videos

2015
02:13:57,419 --> 02:14:01,379
are unclassified. But the way
they got out is kind of suspect.

2016
02:14:01,379 --> 02:14:05,909
So we're going to pass this back
for action. DOD looks at it says

2017
02:14:05,909 --> 02:14:10,679
yep. Let's start questioning Mr.
Elizondo and the potential the

2018
02:14:10,679 --> 02:14:15,479
possibility of the mishandling
of information. None of that

2019
02:14:15,479 --> 02:14:18,599
sticks out to me as a targeted
effort. I don't care if Gary

2020
02:14:18,599 --> 02:14:22,619
Reed, the scummiest of scumbags
of the DOD, that we all want to

2021
02:14:22,619 --> 02:14:27,149
hate had any role in it. All of
that makes sense. The fact that

2022
02:14:27,149 --> 02:14:30,869
they wouldn't do it would be
more concerning than the fact

2023
02:14:30,869 --> 02:14:34,019
that they did. Here's an extra
tidbit of information for you.

2024
02:14:34,319 --> 02:14:38,879
Remember that day that was
passed off that September 7 2017

2025
02:14:38,879 --> 02:14:42,509
date, you know what else
happened that day? This document

2026
02:14:42,509 --> 02:14:45,479
also part of the leak was the
interview the interview of Alex

2027
02:14:45,479 --> 02:14:48,359
Dietrich, and this was done at
the sky dome restaurant

2028
02:14:48,359 --> 02:14:52,529
DoubleTree Hotel, Arlington,
Virginia, I believe, and this is

2029
02:14:52,529 --> 02:14:58,139
just speculation, this spelling
error we should look at there is

2030
02:14:58,139 --> 02:15:01,169
somebody involved in this
conversation God bless him who

2031
02:15:01,619 --> 02:15:06,239
pretty much misspelled a lot of
words. Sorry, Mr. Elizondo, but

2032
02:15:06,239 --> 02:15:11,399
you do that quite often. So did
he typed this not sure. But that

2033
02:15:11,399 --> 02:15:16,229
is something to look at because
this if typed by him, if he was

2034
02:15:16,229 --> 02:15:20,279
there or had any role in this,
whatever, this could have been

2035
02:15:20,279 --> 02:15:24,239
the handoff or part of the
handoff and that that happened

2036
02:15:24,239 --> 02:15:27,239
on the same day that they were
doing this also around this

2037
02:15:27,239 --> 02:15:31,109
time. You can see Luis Elizondo
reached out to Alex Dietrich at

2038
02:15:31,109 --> 02:15:35,939
the US Naval Academy. This was
August so just a week prior,

2039
02:15:36,269 --> 02:15:39,419
Alex Dietrich was sending copies
of her logbook this came out

2040
02:15:39,419 --> 02:15:44,369
through the FOIA to Luis
Elizondo, why likely setting up

2041
02:15:44,369 --> 02:15:48,479
this meeting here. Again, a lot
of that is speculation, but it

2042
02:15:48,479 --> 02:15:51,299
all kind of makes sense that
that's when either the pass off

2043
02:15:51,449 --> 02:15:55,139
happened and Mr. Elizondo did
it. But again, I'll let you guys

2044
02:15:55,139 --> 02:15:59,279
decide but evidence sure speaks
volumes with those documents. So

2045
02:15:59,279 --> 02:16:02,609
I want to go back to this slide
here and finish up this page

2046
02:16:02,609 --> 02:16:06,689
before we got into a little bit
of a sidebar there. This is back

2047
02:16:06,689 --> 02:16:11,339
to 2019. Several internet
bloggers were notified by the

2048
02:16:11,339 --> 02:16:15,359
new public affairs officer Mr.
Sherwood, that I had no duties

2049
02:16:15,359 --> 02:16:18,599
regarding a tip and that a tip
did not involve the study of

2050
02:16:18,599 --> 02:16:23,549
UAPs. As a result, the bloggers
began to disseminate reporting

2051
02:16:23,579 --> 02:16:27,599
accusing me of being a
fabricator. At this point, I

2052
02:16:27,599 --> 02:16:31,409
initiated a telephone call with
Mr. Sherwood directly directly,

2053
02:16:31,859 --> 02:16:36,089
in which he indicated that he
was not happy with the way this

2054
02:16:36,089 --> 02:16:40,349
was being handled internally
within the department, and that

2055
02:16:40,349 --> 02:16:45,239
he was aware I ran a tip but
forces within the building were

2056
02:16:45,239 --> 02:16:49,469
telling him not to admit it. He
also indicated that he is trying

2057
02:16:49,469 --> 02:16:53,099
to write a new statement because
the Navy substantiated my claims

2058
02:16:53,369 --> 02:16:57,149
of working with a tip and
redacted had called him

2059
02:16:57,149 --> 02:16:59,999
personally to express his
disappointment about the false

2060
02:16:59,999 --> 02:17:01,739
claims by the department.

2061
02:17:03,600 --> 02:17:07,800
Without 2020 Without any
resolution, a new public affairs

2062
02:17:07,800 --> 02:17:10,710
office was assigned to respond
to media inquiries regarding a

2063
02:17:10,710 --> 02:17:16,140
tip, Miss Susan golf, Miss golf
is also a US Army Reservist and

2064
02:17:16,140 --> 02:17:21,090
psychological operations. During
this Gough's tenure, the Public

2065
02:17:21,090 --> 02:17:24,180
Affairs Officer statements
became increasingly inaccurate

2066
02:17:24,450 --> 02:17:28,650
and continue to change on a
daily basis. As a result of the

2067
02:17:28,650 --> 02:17:31,350
blatantly inaccurate and
repeated false statements by

2068
02:17:31,350 --> 02:17:35,970
Miss golf. I wrote an email
directly to her on June 3 2020,

2069
02:17:36,270 --> 02:17:39,600
where I addressed the specific
issues and provided ample

2070
02:17:39,600 --> 02:17:43,440
sources in which she could
verify my position. Despite

2071
02:17:43,440 --> 02:17:46,410
several attempts to correct the
record, Miss golf never

2072
02:17:46,410 --> 02:17:50,220
responded to my email, refuse to
address the issue and has

2073
02:17:50,220 --> 02:17:53,640
continuously provided false
statements to the press, even as

2074
02:17:53,640 --> 02:17:55,260
recently as this week.

2075
02:17:58,050 --> 02:18:00,630
Steven Greenstreet: 2020 Well,
let me stop there. So let me go

2076
02:18:00,630 --> 02:18:04,470
back before I get too far ahead.
Several internet bloggers were

2077
02:18:04,470 --> 02:18:07,050
notified by the new public
affairs officer Mr. Sherwood,

2078
02:18:07,140 --> 02:18:11,190
that paragraph there in 2019,
fast forward in it where he says

2079
02:18:11,550 --> 02:18:17,460
that he was, quote, not happy
with the way this was being

2080
02:18:17,460 --> 02:18:21,330
handled internally within the
department. Here's the problem

2081
02:18:21,330 --> 02:18:26,700
with that. I heard that story
before. So basically, you know,

2082
02:18:26,700 --> 02:18:32,790
he had PIOs have like a stack of
previously approved statements.

2083
02:18:32,820 --> 02:18:36,450
Yeah, they look through their
stack. They have no comment

2084
02:18:36,510 --> 02:18:39,000
that's been crafted. So they
gotta go out and reach out to

2085
02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:41,820
the right people to get the
right information to craft a

2086
02:18:41,820 --> 02:18:45,180
statement. He was talking to me
how he was with communicating

2087
02:18:45,180 --> 02:18:48,750
with Oh, USD, EUR USD, I back
and forth, trying to craft

2088
02:18:48,750 --> 02:18:54,000
something. And I got semi
frustrated. And I think he got

2089
02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:57,390
semi frustrated because I was
just like, Come on, man. Like,

2090
02:18:57,390 --> 02:19:01,350
what is going on over there?
Like this should be a slam dunk

2091
02:19:01,620 --> 02:19:06,540
question. He did, or he didn't
know. And he said, I'll never

2092
02:19:06,540 --> 02:19:09,900
forget this. He sighed and said,
You know what, I'm not really

2093
02:19:09,900 --> 02:19:12,780
happy with the way they're
handling the story. And I was

2094
02:19:12,780 --> 02:19:13,170
like,

2095
02:19:14,400 --> 02:19:16,740
John Greenewald: wow, what is
going on behind the scenes here?

2096
02:19:17,490 --> 02:19:21,030
almost verbatim. From Stephen
Green Street. When I did an

2097
02:19:21,030 --> 02:19:26,190
interview with him. He's the New
York Post, journalist, host the

2098
02:19:26,220 --> 02:19:29,730
basement office on the New York
Post YouTube channel, and has

2099
02:19:29,730 --> 02:19:32,850
joined me on this channel a
couple times himself. My

2100
02:19:32,850 --> 02:19:38,100
interview where he recollected
that story was on June 23 2021.

2101
02:19:38,520 --> 02:19:42,570
And he said that Sherwood told
him that I confirmed with

2102
02:19:42,570 --> 02:19:46,950
Stephen Green Street that he
first told Elizondo that story

2103
02:19:47,010 --> 02:19:53,700
on April 20 2021. And that exact
quote, then ended up in the DoD

2104
02:19:53,700 --> 02:20:00,540
IG complaint that Elizondo
submitted on May 3 May 2019. I

2105
02:20:00,540 --> 02:20:05,550
was doing my show for the New
York Post basement office and

2106
02:20:06,390 --> 02:20:09,870
just nonchalantly reached out to
the Pentagon for boilerplate

2107
02:20:09,870 --> 02:20:13,080
statement on a tip, because I
just wanted my own statement.

2108
02:20:13,410 --> 02:20:16,320
And in there, they said that you
had nothing. No, they said you

2109
02:20:16,320 --> 02:20:18,300
had no responsibilities with
ATF.

2110
02:20:19,619 --> 02:20:23,669
Steven Greenstreet: And then I
followed up with the spokesman

2111
02:20:23,669 --> 02:20:27,779
at the at the time Chris
Sherwood. What do you mean? He

2112
02:20:27,779 --> 02:20:31,649
had nothing to do with a tip.
Chris said to me on the phone,

2113
02:20:31,649 --> 02:20:34,679
I'm not really happy with the
way they're handling the story.

2114
02:20:35,369 --> 02:20:38,459
They internally at the Pentagon,
he was frustrated with that

2115
02:20:38,459 --> 02:20:42,689
statement. CHRIS goes away. Suga
golf comes in there. And then

2116
02:20:42,689 --> 02:20:46,049
the sheet issues a new statement
saying Lou had no assigned

2117
02:20:46,319 --> 02:20:50,639
responsibilities with regards to
hate. Yes. Why would the

2118
02:20:50,639 --> 02:20:52,799
Pentagon consistently be saying
this?

2119
02:20:54,090 --> 02:20:57,120
Luis Elizondo: Well, because my
assigned duties were through the

2120
02:20:57,150 --> 02:21:01,050
read on document from 2009. That
substantiates what I was doing

2121
02:21:01,050 --> 02:21:04,860
and of course, thankfully,
Senator Harry Reid has set that

2122
02:21:04,860 --> 02:21:08,730
record straight and many times
for the record of what my role

2123
02:21:08,730 --> 02:21:11,790
was. And my name is clearly on
that documentation and other

2124
02:21:11,790 --> 02:21:14,760
documentation. This is this goes
back to what I told you. There's

2125
02:21:14,760 --> 02:21:17,070
some people in the Pentagon that
still don't like me very much.

2126
02:21:17,460 --> 02:21:21,930
And unfortunately, Colonel golf,
by the way, interesting

2127
02:21:21,930 --> 02:21:26,340
background of around was not
being well served. She was

2128
02:21:26,340 --> 02:21:30,450
getting information from from
people there that were formally

2129
02:21:30,450 --> 02:21:33,330
my chain of command that really
did not like me coming out.

2130
02:21:34,050 --> 02:21:37,500
John Greenewald: Is it possible
that Sherwood gave Elizondo the

2131
02:21:37,500 --> 02:21:43,380
exact same quote? Absolutely.
The problem was this was 2019.

2132
02:21:43,770 --> 02:21:47,220
You would think that if a public
affairs officer is doing two

2133
02:21:47,220 --> 02:21:51,030
things, one, saying that he is
not happy with the way that the

2134
02:21:51,030 --> 02:21:56,370
situation is being handled, but
also to I know and let me let me

2135
02:21:56,370 --> 02:22:01,200
quote that Sherwood the public
affairs officer was aware that

2136
02:22:01,200 --> 02:22:04,560
Elizondo ran a tip, but forces
within the building were telling

2137
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:11,160
him not to admit it. If Elizondo
heard that in 2019, why isn't

2138
02:22:11,160 --> 02:22:14,370
this anywhere that I've seen
anyway, and please correct me if

2139
02:22:14,370 --> 02:22:19,200
I'm wrong, I'm happy to update
this. Where has Elizondo said

2140
02:22:19,200 --> 02:22:23,490
that in any interview that he
has done in the 1000s of

2141
02:22:23,490 --> 02:22:26,970
podcasts and interviews, you
would think that that would lead

2142
02:22:26,970 --> 02:22:31,800
the charge on stating, hey, I
don't You don't have to take my

2143
02:22:31,800 --> 02:22:34,680
word for it. I have my story.
I'm sticking to it. But you

2144
02:22:34,680 --> 02:22:37,500
don't have to take my word. This
is what the public affairs

2145
02:22:37,500 --> 02:22:41,430
officer told me. And yet, that's
nowhere to be found that I've

2146
02:22:41,430 --> 02:22:44,790
seen. And it wasn't until
Stephen Green Street told

2147
02:22:44,790 --> 02:22:49,260
Elizondo the story that all of a
sudden Elizondo goes, Oh, I'll

2148
02:22:49,260 --> 02:22:53,250
put that into my complaint, like
Sherwood told him. So did he? I

2149
02:22:53,250 --> 02:22:56,760
don't have the answer to that.
But is it strange that the exact

2150
02:22:56,760 --> 02:23:01,860
same story now that Elizondo is
putting in his IG complaint was

2151
02:23:01,860 --> 02:23:06,360
already told publicly by a
journalist almost verbatim. And

2152
02:23:06,360 --> 02:23:09,510
that's the issue here is that
there's so many kind of weird

2153
02:23:09,510 --> 02:23:13,440
things. Now, if Elizondo wants
to come out and say, Yes, he

2154
02:23:13,440 --> 02:23:17,310
told me that in addition to him,
telling Steven Green Street, and

2155
02:23:17,310 --> 02:23:21,090
he told us all in the exact same
way, cool. We can we can have

2156
02:23:21,090 --> 02:23:24,510
that conversation. But I think
that my first question to that,

2157
02:23:24,510 --> 02:23:28,140
and I hope others would ask him
as well, is why did you not tell

2158
02:23:28,170 --> 02:23:32,310
anybody this story? And that's
what I don't understand about

2159
02:23:32,310 --> 02:23:34,950
this. And it kind of makes you
scratch your head and go, did he

2160
02:23:34,950 --> 02:23:39,300
just falsely attribute this
story to himself in order to

2161
02:23:39,300 --> 02:23:42,360
make the IG complaint look
better? I don't have the answer

2162
02:23:42,360 --> 02:23:45,810
to that. But sadly, there's not
a whole lot forthcoming. So

2163
02:23:45,810 --> 02:23:48,150
that's why I reached out to
Stephen Green Street and

2164
02:23:48,150 --> 02:23:52,830
confirmed the dates. I will let
Stephen Green Street talk about

2165
02:23:52,830 --> 02:23:56,190
his own opinion I will not
convey nor do I speak for him or

2166
02:23:56,190 --> 02:24:00,120
anybody else, but rather wanted
to confirm the dates. That's

2167
02:24:00,120 --> 02:24:03,690
when he told Elizondo that's
when it ended up in Elizondo is

2168
02:24:03,690 --> 02:24:07,500
complaint then attributed to
Elizondo and nobody can can

2169
02:24:07,500 --> 02:24:13,710
confirm if Sherwood actually did
tell Elizondo that story. And to

2170
02:24:13,710 --> 02:24:14,910
be honest with you, that's

2171
02:24:16,770 --> 02:24:20,040
I would say intriguing to say
the least because I want to know

2172
02:24:20,250 --> 02:24:25,770
if that story shifted, or not.
Moving on in January of this

2173
02:24:25,770 --> 02:24:28,470
year, a FOIA response by the
Pentagon confirmed the fact that

2174
02:24:28,470 --> 02:24:32,250
Miss Goff has sidestepped
Pentagon protocol, and inserted

2175
02:24:32,250 --> 02:24:35,790
herself into the official FOIA
processes that have been

2176
02:24:35,820 --> 02:24:38,550
established to protect the
American people and the

2177
02:24:38,550 --> 02:24:42,780
integrity of information being
provided to them. FOIA requests

2178
02:24:42,780 --> 02:24:45,120
and responses are to be
submitted to trained and

2179
02:24:45,120 --> 02:24:49,800
designated FOIA personnel and
not a public affairs office, or

2180
02:24:49,800 --> 02:24:53,670
officer. The fact that Miss Golf
has inserted herself into this

2181
02:24:53,670 --> 02:24:57,510
process preemptively further
emphasizes that the FOIA process

2182
02:24:57,540 --> 02:25:02,100
enacted in US law is being
subject worded this ties into

2183
02:25:02,100 --> 02:25:04,350
emails, which I'll show you in a
little bit when we get to the

2184
02:25:04,350 --> 02:25:07,620
attachments. But essentially,
what the line is being drawn

2185
02:25:07,620 --> 02:25:12,420
here is, is that Susan golf is
essentially injecting herself

2186
02:25:12,420 --> 02:25:15,870
into the FOIA process, and
controlling the narrative of

2187
02:25:15,870 --> 02:25:18,990
what is being released, I can
tell you that the emails that

2188
02:25:18,990 --> 02:25:22,920
I'll show you in a little bit,
in my personal opinion, are

2189
02:25:22,920 --> 02:25:27,240
being overblown to a point, it
makes sense that a public

2190
02:25:27,240 --> 02:25:31,530
affairs officer wants to
maintain some kind of knowledge

2191
02:25:31,530 --> 02:25:35,160
about what's being out there.
Because if they're blind about

2192
02:25:35,160 --> 02:25:38,430
what people like me are getting
legally, then what happens is,

2193
02:25:38,430 --> 02:25:41,370
is that when they make a
statement, that I'll be it may

2194
02:25:41,370 --> 02:25:46,050
not be untrue. But if it differs
enough, or uses different

2195
02:25:46,050 --> 02:25:50,910
verbiage or different language
or different context, but again,

2196
02:25:50,910 --> 02:25:54,690
maybe not necessarily a lie, but
it just kind of differs a little

2197
02:25:54,690 --> 02:25:59,430
bit. Then the internet just
takes over. The rumor mill

2198
02:25:59,430 --> 02:26:04,170
starts, the tabloids takeover,
sensationalism takes over,

2199
02:26:04,530 --> 02:26:08,760
horrible reporting takes over.
And so I think that to a point,

2200
02:26:09,090 --> 02:26:12,450
that's understandable, and as I
go through this in this

2201
02:26:12,450 --> 02:26:16,350
presentation, I can see the
negative feedback. Jon's just

2202
02:26:16,350 --> 02:26:20,010
taking the side of the
government. It's not that, but

2203
02:26:20,010 --> 02:26:23,280
we have to understand the
process, we have to remove

2204
02:26:23,280 --> 02:26:28,680
ourselves from the interest and
passion that we have in this

2205
02:26:28,680 --> 02:26:33,060
myself included and look at it
from the outside and go, Okay.

2206
02:26:33,750 --> 02:26:37,800
Should the Public Affairs people
be in the know about what is

2207
02:26:37,800 --> 02:26:40,890
being released so they can
properly address certain

2208
02:26:40,890 --> 02:26:44,790
questions, and make sure that
there is some uniformity there?

2209
02:26:45,000 --> 02:26:50,490
My answer would be yes. Some may
say John's defending Susan golf,

2210
02:26:50,490 --> 02:26:54,960
or Gary Reed or whomever? No,
it's not about the person or the

2211
02:26:54,960 --> 02:26:59,310
people. I'm not defending that.
But rather, I'm defending the

2212
02:26:59,310 --> 02:27:04,470
situation, defending their job
and what they do or what they're

2213
02:27:04,470 --> 02:27:10,440
supposed to do. And defending
the evidence that we have. That

2214
02:27:10,470 --> 02:27:15,990
in a lot of cases, and even most
cases actually differs from

2215
02:27:15,990 --> 02:27:21,150
these paraphrased versions of
the story. A lot of people took

2216
02:27:21,150 --> 02:27:26,370
this complaint and said, Gary
read bad Susan golf bad Neal

2217
02:27:26,370 --> 02:27:31,650
Tipton, bad so they're bad. Lou
Elizondo good telling the truth.

2218
02:27:31,770 --> 02:27:35,490
This proves it. Not really.
Because again, when you look at

2219
02:27:35,490 --> 02:27:40,080
it from the outside, in, look at
what should be done, look at

2220
02:27:40,080 --> 02:27:44,730
what's logical, what look at
what's common sense. And over

2221
02:27:44,760 --> 02:27:49,500
all else. Look at the evidence.
It's it's sometimes a different

2222
02:27:49,500 --> 02:27:52,440
story. Not in every case. But
sometimes. And in this

2223
02:27:52,440 --> 02:27:56,310
particular document, I'm sorry,
there are a lot of cases where

2224
02:27:56,310 --> 02:27:59,700
when you look at the evidence,
and you look at other context

2225
02:27:59,730 --> 02:28:04,380
and testimony, it contradicts.
So I want to make that point.

2226
02:28:04,380 --> 02:28:08,520
And I want to make it strongly
because I can see the feedback,

2227
02:28:08,640 --> 02:28:12,240
the negative, the haters coming
out, saying John's just

2228
02:28:12,240 --> 02:28:13,350
defending the government.

2229
02:28:15,060 --> 02:28:18,990
And that's not true. Because
this is not about the people.

2230
02:28:19,230 --> 02:28:22,770
This isn't about Lou Elizondo,
as a person, Susan golf as a

2231
02:28:22,770 --> 02:28:25,530
person, or Gary Reed as a
person, even though he could be

2232
02:28:25,530 --> 02:28:29,250
a really bad dude. It's not
about that in this conversation,

2233
02:28:29,490 --> 02:28:32,970
but rather, it's not what you
believe. It's what you can

2234
02:28:32,970 --> 02:28:38,040
prove. And in this matter, and
beyond in this complaint, you

2235
02:28:38,040 --> 02:28:41,100
have to match up the evidence
and in this case, and again,

2236
02:28:41,100 --> 02:28:46,140
beyond. It just isn't there. And
we have to make that point.

2237
02:28:46,620 --> 02:28:50,250
Let's move on May 2021. I was
recently informed by a member of

2238
02:28:50,250 --> 02:28:53,460
the media who is conducting a
formal Freedom of Information

2239
02:28:53,460 --> 02:28:56,670
Act request, that upon
clarifying my roles in a tip,

2240
02:28:56,910 --> 02:29:00,930
DOD Public Affairs Office, Miss
golf, indicated in writing that

2241
02:29:00,930 --> 02:29:04,830
all my records have been
destroyed due to lack of

2242
02:29:04,830 --> 02:29:08,100
historical significance and
could not be reproduced. I was

2243
02:29:08,100 --> 02:29:12,030
informed that DOD took this
action in 2019, despite portions

2244
02:29:12,030 --> 02:29:15,360
of my work involving legal
discovery, and evidence as it

2245
02:29:15,360 --> 02:29:19,230
relates to the upcoming military
commissions trial, Guantanamo

2246
02:29:19,230 --> 02:29:22,800
Bay, in essence, destroying
evidence. If this is true, and

2247
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:25,800
my records were indeed
destroyed, I'm unclear how Miss

2248
02:29:25,800 --> 02:29:30,240
golf can manage maintain, I had
no assigned duties, when in

2249
02:29:30,240 --> 02:29:33,570
fact, no records exist. I remain
dually concerned that this

2250
02:29:33,570 --> 02:29:36,540
statement is not only false, but
maliciously deceitful and

2251
02:29:36,540 --> 02:29:40,860
intended to mislead the American
people. As of today, the

2252
02:29:40,860 --> 02:29:43,680
Pentagon public affairs officer
Miss Goff continues to assert to

2253
02:29:43,680 --> 02:29:45,990
the media that I had no
involvement in a pentagon

2254
02:29:45,990 --> 02:29:49,560
program. Fortunately, the
original ATF sponsor has

2255
02:29:49,560 --> 02:29:54,000
provided official documentation
contradicting this obvious

2256
02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:57,240
attempt to deceive the public.
This is what he's referring to

2257
02:29:57,240 --> 02:30:00,090
the Harry Reid letter. I can
tell you the Pentagon or He

2258
02:30:00,090 --> 02:30:03,300
addressed this they said it does
not change anything. You couple

2259
02:30:03,300 --> 02:30:06,570
that with again, Harry Reid's
interviews. He was never briefed

2260
02:30:06,570 --> 02:30:10,770
on OS app or a tip. What does he
know? I mean, like, there's a

2261
02:30:10,770 --> 02:30:13,500
lot of questions there. So the
fact that this letter exists

2262
02:30:13,500 --> 02:30:16,890
does not prove much. But let me
back up to all of this here.

2263
02:30:17,040 --> 02:30:22,800
This yet again, my opinion,
untrue. Why? Because I am the

2264
02:30:22,800 --> 02:30:26,310
guy that actually broke this
story. So I've got a personal

2265
02:30:26,310 --> 02:30:30,510
connection to this paragraph
here. I researched it for

2266
02:30:30,540 --> 02:30:36,780
months, there was absolutely no
involvement by Susan golf. None.

2267
02:30:37,110 --> 02:30:41,760
I never reported that. I tried
to get her to comment on it. But

2268
02:30:41,760 --> 02:30:46,560
none of this is true as
attributed to Susan golf. In

2269
02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:50,340
addition, the story was not
about all of his files. The

2270
02:30:50,340 --> 02:30:54,240
story was about his emails,
there's a huge difference. Now

2271
02:30:54,240 --> 02:30:57,600
even though I truly believe that
DOD messed up, and I truly

2272
02:30:57,600 --> 02:31:02,400
believe that's a huge story. And
I truly believe it's important.

2273
02:31:02,700 --> 02:31:08,370
The problem here is this is
completely misconstrued not only

2274
02:31:08,370 --> 02:31:12,000
putting an accusation on the
wrong person, but on top of

2275
02:31:12,000 --> 02:31:15,990
that, embellishing the story to
make it seem like every file

2276
02:31:16,230 --> 02:31:20,280
that Louise Elizondo ever made,
is gone, including all the ones

2277
02:31:20,280 --> 02:31:25,770
in Guantanamo Bay, or regarding
Guantanamo Bay. None of that was

2278
02:31:25,770 --> 02:31:30,450
ever reported. None of that was
ever claimed. None of that ever

2279
02:31:30,450 --> 02:31:35,460
was ever told to me. And Susan
golf did not play a role in it.

2280
02:31:35,490 --> 02:31:39,720
In fact, here is the breakdown
of it. In December of 2019,

2281
02:31:40,170 --> 02:31:44,880
specifically my case 19 F 1903.
When I asked for certain

2282
02:31:44,880 --> 02:31:47,970
records, emails from Luis
Elizondo, I was told there was

2283
02:31:47,970 --> 02:31:51,000
no records. This specific
request, I believe, was for a

2284
02:31:51,000 --> 02:31:55,080
keyword search on the word
unidentified. So essentially, we

2285
02:31:55,080 --> 02:31:58,890
should have something that
really clued me in to something

2286
02:31:58,890 --> 02:32:05,970
was wrong, that I knew something
here was a miss. I appealed, and

2287
02:32:05,970 --> 02:32:10,290
I want to fast forward to April
2021. Not only did they

2288
02:32:10,290 --> 02:32:13,770
reinforce there were no records.
But they said please note that

2289
02:32:13,800 --> 02:32:16,590
emails of former Department of
Defense employees are not

2290
02:32:16,590 --> 02:32:19,560
retained unless they are
considered historical records

2291
02:32:20,010 --> 02:32:22,440
and retained by the national
record center. There are

2292
02:32:22,440 --> 02:32:25,710
currently no existing email
accounts for Mr. Elizondo, we

2293
02:32:25,710 --> 02:32:28,620
believe that search methods were
appropriate and could reasonably

2294
02:32:28,620 --> 02:32:31,560
be expected to produce the
requested records if they

2295
02:32:31,560 --> 02:32:36,990
existed throughout multiple
attempts, and I mean, through

2296
02:32:36,990 --> 02:32:41,160
months of trying to figure this
out. I was told that again, his

2297
02:32:41,160 --> 02:32:44,550
emails were destroyed with
further clarification, stating

2298
02:32:44,550 --> 02:32:47,700
If the user left OSD in 2017,
but it's still working in the

2299
02:32:47,700 --> 02:32:52,620
DOD, meaning they're still using
their@mail.mi l email that

2300
02:32:52,620 --> 02:32:55,440
there's a chance those emails
still exist. If they left the

2301
02:32:55,440 --> 02:33:00,960
DoD entirely in 2017 and haven't
used it use their mail dot m l e

2302
02:33:00,960 --> 02:33:05,550
mail since they since then they
emails would be gone unless the

2303
02:33:05,550 --> 02:33:09,150
user was journaled. A journal
account is an optional DoD

2304
02:33:09,150 --> 02:33:13,020
enterprise email service that
provides mission partners the

2305
02:33:13,020 --> 02:33:16,470
ability to retain all messages
and their attachments sent to

2306
02:33:16,470 --> 02:33:20,100
and from selected journaled
mailboxes. While not required

2307
02:33:20,100 --> 02:33:23,280
for all end users. It is
recommended for high ranking and

2308
02:33:23,280 --> 02:33:26,790
other designated individuals
whose email may contain official

2309
02:33:26,790 --> 02:33:29,520
records, which are subject to
legal and regulatory

2310
02:33:29,520 --> 02:33:32,280
requirements, messages and
journal accounts are preserved

2311
02:33:32,280 --> 02:33:33,060
for 10 years.

2312
02:33:34,470 --> 02:33:39,660
All that right, took months to
get on top of yours of the FOIA.

2313
02:33:40,710 --> 02:33:45,090
Each and every single time I
communicated with the Department

2314
02:33:45,090 --> 02:33:48,690
of Defense, it was not signed by
Susan golf. Susan golf had

2315
02:33:48,690 --> 02:33:52,200
nothing to do with this legal
process that I worked incredibly

2316
02:33:52,200 --> 02:33:57,240
hard over. My whole point here
is that we have created various

2317
02:33:57,240 --> 02:34:03,330
narratives about people that
aren't necessarily true. And

2318
02:34:03,330 --> 02:34:07,860
when you look at the just the
claim, it really does resonate

2319
02:34:07,860 --> 02:34:10,260
with a lot of people. I've seen
the reactions to this complaint.

2320
02:34:10,320 --> 02:34:14,730
Wow, Carrie Reid's out to get
them, Susan Gough's evil, she's

2321
02:34:14,730 --> 02:34:19,170
out to get them. I'm not here to
defend any of them. All I'm here

2322
02:34:19,170 --> 02:34:22,350
is to show you that if you look
at all the pieces of the puzzle,

2323
02:34:22,830 --> 02:34:26,340
if you look at all the pieces of
the evidence, if you look at the

2324
02:34:26,340 --> 02:34:31,320
totality of the story, it is
something different. We cannot

2325
02:34:31,320 --> 02:34:35,190
get away with that. Ignore my
personal opinion or your

2326
02:34:35,190 --> 02:34:38,280
personal thoughts about me if
you hate me, but you're stuck

2327
02:34:38,280 --> 02:34:41,400
and glued, watching this. Take
all that out of the equation and

2328
02:34:41,400 --> 02:34:45,180
just look at the stories. Look
at the evidence and look at what

2329
02:34:45,180 --> 02:34:51,030
is being said and how it cannot
be backed up. This is important.

2330
02:34:51,660 --> 02:34:55,620
This is the time to nitpick
people hate when I do it, but we

2331
02:34:55,620 --> 02:35:00,480
are accusing people inside the
Pentagon of some pretty Serious

2332
02:35:00,480 --> 02:35:04,920
stuff, and stuff that connects
to a topic. That's pretty

2333
02:35:04,920 --> 02:35:08,910
serious for a lot of us. Some of
it may be personal curiosity,

2334
02:35:08,910 --> 02:35:12,450
some of it may be for national
security concerns, some of it,

2335
02:35:12,660 --> 02:35:15,540
fill in the blank, it doesn't
matter. But it's an important

2336
02:35:15,540 --> 02:35:20,520
topic. So we should nitpick. We
should look at these claims and

2337
02:35:20,520 --> 02:35:24,450
understand when the evidence is
not there to back it up. We

2338
02:35:24,450 --> 02:35:29,310
shouldn't try and make the
claim. Yet we've gone so far now

2339
02:35:29,340 --> 02:35:33,570
that the DoD IG is looking at
these stories. What are they

2340
02:35:33,570 --> 02:35:36,150
going to do? What are they going
to think? And that's why I'm

2341
02:35:36,150 --> 02:35:40,170
always concerned when people are
putting so much into the fact

2342
02:35:40,170 --> 02:35:45,300
that Mr. Elizondo is claiming
his complaint did something when

2343
02:35:45,300 --> 02:35:48,480
we don't even know if the DoD IG
took any of this seriously.

2344
02:35:48,750 --> 02:35:53,430
Maybe they did. But the evidence
just really isn't strong to

2345
02:35:53,430 --> 02:35:57,750
support the strongest
accusations in the complaint.

2346
02:35:58,260 --> 02:36:00,360
Moving on. Please note
additional information

2347
02:36:00,360 --> 02:36:03,540
substantiating the above can be
provided it is my sincere

2348
02:36:03,540 --> 02:36:06,480
concern that I'm being unfairly
targeted, along with other

2349
02:36:06,720 --> 02:36:09,780
others formally associated with
a tip for retribution and may

2350
02:36:09,780 --> 02:36:12,990
even fall under whistleblower
protection. There exists a

2351
02:36:12,990 --> 02:36:17,040
severe conflict of interest and
I am being persecuted by having

2352
02:36:17,220 --> 02:36:20,700
my reputation and credibility
constantly challenged and

2353
02:36:20,700 --> 02:36:23,670
attacked by elements within the
Pentagon. The result has

2354
02:36:23,670 --> 02:36:26,400
impacted me professionally,
financially and personally.

2355
02:36:26,790 --> 02:36:29,460
Furthermore, the hardship
endured by my family has caused

2356
02:36:29,460 --> 02:36:33,690
us unimaginable pain and
suffering. As a final thought

2357
02:36:33,690 --> 02:36:37,050
the US government is enjoined
and must remain committed to

2358
02:36:37,050 --> 02:36:39,930
serving the interests of the
public. This includes being

2359
02:36:39,930 --> 02:36:43,800
truthful and transparent in all
interfaces. I am certain it

2360
02:36:43,800 --> 02:36:46,680
would be a surprise to many that
Miss Goff has already publicly

2361
02:36:46,680 --> 02:36:50,730
stated her position. Regarding
this interface. Equally

2362
02:36:50,730 --> 02:36:54,780
fallacious in today's world of
instant worldwide communication,

2363
02:36:55,050 --> 02:36:58,260
is the notion that you can
separate military psychological

2364
02:36:58,260 --> 02:37:02,940
activities from public affairs
and public diplomacy. PAGE 36.

2365
02:37:03,150 --> 02:37:06,360
The evolution of strategic
influence by Lieutenant Colonel

2366
02:37:06,360 --> 02:37:10,230
Susan L. Goff US Army. I
sincerely hope that my

2367
02:37:10,230 --> 02:37:13,860
government does not believe that
psychological manipulation of

2368
02:37:13,860 --> 02:37:17,040
the public is in the best
interest of our government and

2369
02:37:17,040 --> 02:37:22,620
our country. Yes, that's a real
quote from a paper that Susan

2370
02:37:22,620 --> 02:37:26,130
golf rock wrote, and something
that you can find on the black

2371
02:37:26,130 --> 02:37:28,650
vault as well. I'll put all
those links and stuff in the in

2372
02:37:28,650 --> 02:37:31,560
the show notes. So you have all
sorts of stuff to read. But that

2373
02:37:31,560 --> 02:37:35,070
is that is real, that that's
something she said. But yet

2374
02:37:35,070 --> 02:37:41,760
again, at this point, we have a
couple elements of being drilled

2375
02:37:41,760 --> 02:37:45,570
that Susan Goff is the bad the
bad guy. And again, I'm, this

2376
02:37:45,570 --> 02:37:48,660
may come off to some as that I'm
defending her and it's not about

2377
02:37:48,660 --> 02:37:52,080
that. But rather look at what
we've looked at at the complaint

2378
02:37:52,110 --> 02:37:55,230
thus far, because this is the
end prior to the attachments

2379
02:37:55,800 --> 02:37:58,740
that Susan Goff has named, but
not Christopher Sherwood.

2380
02:37:58,920 --> 02:38:02,280
Sherwood was the one the one
that made that original shot

2381
02:38:02,280 --> 02:38:06,630
across the bow comment, Susan
golf, essentially softened it.

2382
02:38:06,990 --> 02:38:09,420
If there's additional
information that I'm not aware

2383
02:38:09,420 --> 02:38:13,770
of that golf was involved before
she was ever attributed

2384
02:38:13,770 --> 02:38:18,120
anything, then let's see that.
But until then, that's

2385
02:38:18,480 --> 02:38:24,270
seemingly, a misdirected
accusation, because it wasn't

2386
02:38:24,270 --> 02:38:27,810
her that made that statement,
but rather, it was someone else

2387
02:38:27,930 --> 02:38:30,780
who has no accusation made
against him in this claim.

2388
02:38:32,340 --> 02:38:37,050
What is made here is that again,
Susan Goff was the one that made

2389
02:38:37,050 --> 02:38:40,710
it. But then when you start
looking at more of the

2390
02:38:40,710 --> 02:38:46,050
information, it seems like she
has worked to support that. But

2391
02:38:46,050 --> 02:38:51,390
it's still the word of the DOD,
not Susan golf. So why is she

2392
02:38:51,390 --> 02:38:55,440
targeted here? When then there's
another part of what's thrown

2393
02:38:55,440 --> 02:39:00,900
her direction as completely
fabricated accusations. That

2394
02:39:00,900 --> 02:39:03,990
ties into my story. So again,
that's why I get a little bit

2395
02:39:05,160 --> 02:39:07,620
passionate about this section of
it. Because again, it's not

2396
02:39:07,620 --> 02:39:12,480
about defending anybody, but my
own reporting, that he's

2397
02:39:12,480 --> 02:39:16,800
utilizing to craft a narrative
that isn't right. It's not, it's

2398
02:39:16,800 --> 02:39:23,070
not real. It's not anything
anybody ever said. And it was

2399
02:39:23,070 --> 02:39:26,640
being put on somebody who didn't
even play a role in the story.

2400
02:39:27,300 --> 02:39:31,050
So it is so frustrating to see
that, because again, when you

2401
02:39:31,050 --> 02:39:34,500
look at it on the surface, it's
believable. Look at the

2402
02:39:34,500 --> 02:39:39,870
evidence. It is a completely
different story. Going through

2403
02:39:39,870 --> 02:39:43,560
some of the attachments here.
And there's quite a few of them,

2404
02:39:43,560 --> 02:39:48,090
but we can go through these.
This was the Harry Reid letter,

2405
02:39:49,110 --> 02:39:51,540
which were quite a few pages.
I'm just going to kind of flip

2406
02:39:51,540 --> 02:39:54,780
through here I've done a whole
video breakdown. But this

2407
02:39:54,780 --> 02:39:57,900
obviously was Harry Reid's
letter that you can read in full

2408
02:39:57,900 --> 02:40:01,800
that was one of the attachments
I also attach where Luis

2409
02:40:01,800 --> 02:40:07,050
Elizondo has performance
evaluations. So you'll see here

2410
02:40:07,050 --> 02:40:12,210
that, again, I invite you to
read the, the documents in full,

2411
02:40:12,210 --> 02:40:15,090
I'm not going to go over every
single line, because we're

2412
02:40:15,090 --> 02:40:19,920
already quite a bit into this.
But what I think really sticks

2413
02:40:19,920 --> 02:40:22,380
out is there's no mention of a
tip, there's no mention of

2414
02:40:22,380 --> 02:40:26,610
anything that he was doing as
that parallel portfolio. What is

2415
02:40:26,610 --> 02:40:30,660
in here were his duties that in
multiple times in the complaint,

2416
02:40:31,050 --> 02:40:36,570
were essentially alluded to by
him stating that the supervisors

2417
02:40:36,570 --> 02:40:40,530
who learned about his parallel
portfolio or the a tip effort

2418
02:40:40,530 --> 02:40:44,280
was just don't let it affect
your normal job. So in other

2419
02:40:44,280 --> 02:40:48,510
words, this does support that
this was just a side effort.

2420
02:40:48,870 --> 02:40:53,220
That doesn't negate the result
if there were any. The problem

2421
02:40:53,220 --> 02:40:55,980
is, is that completely goes
against what we were told for

2422
02:40:55,980 --> 02:40:59,760
years. And it completely
reinforces that people like me

2423
02:40:59,760 --> 02:41:04,590
that had every right to question
the story. In the end, it looks

2424
02:41:04,590 --> 02:41:09,090
like it was a legitimate
question to ask. I want to note

2425
02:41:09,090 --> 02:41:13,260
because I'm not trying to to
just skip this. He was getting

2426
02:41:13,260 --> 02:41:16,260
excellent reviews. And I want to
point that out, because I'm not

2427
02:41:16,260 --> 02:41:19,380
I'm not skipping over this to
try and hide that. But rather,

2428
02:41:19,380 --> 02:41:22,740
there's just a lot of
information to cover. So read

2429
02:41:22,740 --> 02:41:25,140
it, but but I want to point out,
he was getting excellent

2430
02:41:25,140 --> 02:41:29,610
reviews, there was nothing that
was bad, or said against him in

2431
02:41:29,610 --> 02:41:35,370
these reviews. So you'll be able
to go through all of this. Also

2432
02:41:35,370 --> 02:41:38,280
in there with a DD Form 1910s,
which we've already gone over

2433
02:41:38,280 --> 02:41:42,300
also those emails that were back
and forth. In my opinion, the

2434
02:41:42,330 --> 02:41:46,080
emails do not support the claims
that were made in the complaint,

2435
02:41:46,080 --> 02:41:50,070
I invite you also to read them
more in depth. There was never

2436
02:41:50,070 --> 02:41:53,700
any talk about a unlimited
distribution to the general

2437
02:41:53,700 --> 02:41:57,270
public. So all of that is a
complete contradiction to the

2438
02:41:57,270 --> 02:42:01,350
evidence. Lots of different
emails here. I do have a video

2439
02:42:01,350 --> 02:42:04,920
breakdown of these from a couple
years ago when I first got them.

2440
02:42:05,640 --> 02:42:10,710
The New York Times article was
repeated in full Politico's

2441
02:42:10,710 --> 02:42:16,380
first article in December of
2017 repeated in full so we'll

2442
02:42:16,380 --> 02:42:18,990
just obviously thumb through
those. This is that Luis

2443
02:42:18,990 --> 02:42:22,440
Elizondo James Clapper obviously
backstage in a green room or

2444
02:42:22,440 --> 02:42:26,100
something like that at CNN, not
really sure what clappers

2445
02:42:26,100 --> 02:42:29,400
connection is I mean, there's
there's always rumors but you

2446
02:42:29,400 --> 02:42:33,150
know if Cliff clapper knew and
he was so proud of Luis Elizondo

2447
02:42:33,150 --> 02:42:36,510
heading this program, because he
had direct knowledge, hey, I'd

2448
02:42:36,510 --> 02:42:41,310
love to hear it. Love to see it.
The AFS AI investigation we

2449
02:42:41,310 --> 02:42:46,020
already went over that, but that
was attached to this. Oddly, a

2450
02:42:46,020 --> 02:42:50,160
off the record and confidential
email from Tim McMillan. It was

2451
02:42:50,160 --> 02:42:54,810
chopped off in what was posted
online. But you can see here it

2452
02:42:54,810 --> 02:42:58,800
was a essentially Tim was
working on a story about their

2453
02:42:58,830 --> 02:43:01,710
esteemed backgrounds. So
obviously this was going to be a

2454
02:43:01,710 --> 02:43:06,600
very favorable piece on whatever
he was working, you know,

2455
02:43:06,600 --> 02:43:15,900
working towards. Another thing
here was the email that he wrote

2456
02:43:15,900 --> 02:43:22,080
on June 3 2020, to Susan golf.
So that is in there, as well

2457
02:43:22,080 --> 02:43:27,780
that came out through FOIA. What
I want to point out, however, is

2458
02:43:27,780 --> 02:43:31,080
what not was in what was not in
the complaint.

2459
02:43:32,430 --> 02:43:35,010
And what was not in the
complaint was an email I also

2460
02:43:35,010 --> 02:43:39,840
turned up in FOIA. That talked
about his description of a tip

2461
02:43:39,840 --> 02:43:45,090
as an activity versus a program.
My question mark, is why

2462
02:43:45,090 --> 02:43:47,850
wouldn't you include all the
evidence unless you didn't want

2463
02:43:47,850 --> 02:43:52,920
to negate what you were doing?
When the first FOIA release went

2464
02:43:52,920 --> 02:43:57,900
out? It was posted by Alejandro
Rojas. This was not included.

2465
02:43:57,900 --> 02:44:03,300
Now, I did verify. But I will
let all of you ask Alejandro, I

2466
02:44:03,300 --> 02:44:07,320
verified that what Alejandro
posted was the totality of what

2467
02:44:07,320 --> 02:44:11,520
he got. So I believe that he
requested this specific email.

2468
02:44:11,520 --> 02:44:16,110
I'll go back to the slide. So
this one came out through FOIA

2469
02:44:16,950 --> 02:44:20,580
and then later republished here.
So I think he specifically

2470
02:44:20,580 --> 02:44:23,760
requested that one likely
because maybe Mr. Elizondo told

2471
02:44:23,760 --> 02:44:28,500
him. But what Mr. Elizondo
didn't tell the IG didn't tell,

2472
02:44:28,860 --> 02:44:33,150
Alejandro Rojas, or anybody else
was this second email that was

2473
02:44:33,150 --> 02:44:39,810
sent in 2019 essentially giving
a different perception of what a

2474
02:44:39,810 --> 02:44:45,360
tip really was just an activity
versus a program that was widely

2475
02:44:45,360 --> 02:44:51,900
reported in 2017 2018 and 2019.
But clearly here it was

2476
02:44:51,930 --> 02:44:55,920
something different. These were
the emails that were around this

2477
02:44:55,920 --> 02:45:03,570
was obviously highlight did in
the complaint, but I believe

2478
02:45:03,570 --> 02:45:07,230
that it was highlighted online
and Mr. Elizondo took that this

2479
02:45:07,230 --> 02:45:12,510
was showing that Susan golf let
me see here. This was this was

2480
02:45:12,660 --> 02:45:15,600
essentially showing that Susan
Golf was going to be in the loop

2481
02:45:15,600 --> 02:45:21,390
on any FOIA requests and FOIA
releases. Generally speaking, we

2482
02:45:21,390 --> 02:45:24,930
let the normal FOIA process work
as it is supposed to. But we

2483
02:45:24,930 --> 02:45:28,860
have been requesting the FOIA
officers coordinate with us on

2484
02:45:28,860 --> 02:45:33,120
UAP focused foi responses before
they hit reply, so that new

2485
02:45:33,120 --> 02:45:36,600
terms language, language, etc,
aren't introduced that

2486
02:45:36,600 --> 02:45:41,640
complicate the overall
messaging. At the top here is

2487
02:45:41,640 --> 02:45:44,640
where the Susan golf mentioned
is Megan is correct. From a

2488
02:45:44,640 --> 02:45:48,990
public affairs perspective. All
media inquiries on a UAP go to

2489
02:45:49,200 --> 02:45:54,750
public affairs, Susan golf. I
think that there was a bigger

2490
02:45:54,930 --> 02:45:58,800
case may and I think that there
was a bigger deal made about

2491
02:45:58,800 --> 02:46:02,160
this than should have been. I
know that this kind of reads

2492
02:46:02,160 --> 02:46:05,400
that Susan Goff is like the
ringleader and she's watching

2493
02:46:05,400 --> 02:46:08,820
every FOIA that goes out. My
guess is she's likely in the

2494
02:46:08,820 --> 02:46:12,660
loop of the FOIA that goes out.
But I've seen no evidence that

2495
02:46:12,660 --> 02:46:17,160
she has been directly involved
in being a release authority.

2496
02:46:17,520 --> 02:46:21,450
The FOIA offices have their own
internal release authorities on

2497
02:46:21,450 --> 02:46:26,250
who reviews documents, and and
essentially decides what is

2498
02:46:26,250 --> 02:46:30,570
released to the general public.
That is not a spokespersons job.

2499
02:46:31,080 --> 02:46:34,260
And so for them to make that
accusation against Susan golf

2500
02:46:34,290 --> 02:46:38,790
again. If there's evidence, I'd
love to see it. This however,

2501
02:46:38,790 --> 02:46:43,740
just doesn't prove that to me. I
mean, I, I, I don't see it. And

2502
02:46:43,740 --> 02:46:46,260
I think that it makes sense that
they would want to see what goes

2503
02:46:46,260 --> 02:46:50,070
out and the language of FOIA
letters, just to ensure that

2504
02:46:50,070 --> 02:46:53,250
nothing is being said that
shouldn't that would make

2505
02:46:53,250 --> 02:46:56,730
someone like me, make someone
like The Daily Mail, the New

2506
02:46:56,730 --> 02:47:00,990
York Post, whomever's writing a
story misconstrue something and

2507
02:47:00,990 --> 02:47:03,990
create a narrative that isn't
true, because God knows we've

2508
02:47:03,990 --> 02:47:08,880
got enough of that going on.
Here's some more emails that

2509
02:47:08,880 --> 02:47:13,710
were used to kind of essentially
prove that that there was a lot

2510
02:47:13,710 --> 02:47:20,610
of shenanigans going on on the
release of information. This was

2511
02:47:20,610 --> 02:47:23,040
written by Susan Goff, one other
thing you need to do is reach

2512
02:47:23,040 --> 02:47:25,950
out to the Air Force's FOIA
office, we need to keep a very,

2513
02:47:25,950 --> 02:47:29,640
very close eye on FOIA requests
for release of UAP videos to

2514
02:47:29,640 --> 02:47:32,280
ensure consistency of what does
or doesn't get released.

2515
02:47:32,460 --> 02:47:35,250
Generally, so far, at least with
Navy vids, we're not releasing

2516
02:47:35,250 --> 02:47:40,800
them. This totally makes sense
as well. I mean, we're not it

2517
02:47:40,800 --> 02:47:43,020
for me, this doesn't read that
they're circumventing

2518
02:47:43,020 --> 02:47:45,690
themselves. They're
circumventing the FOIA process

2519
02:47:45,690 --> 02:47:48,840
and injecting themselves into
the review. But rather, they

2520
02:47:48,840 --> 02:47:51,750
want to make sure that whatever
does come out, they're aware of

2521
02:47:51,750 --> 02:47:54,600
it. So let's say they put out a
statement and go, Well, this is

2522
02:47:54,600 --> 02:47:57,810
classified, we're not going to
talk about it, or it's not being

2523
02:47:57,810 --> 02:48:00,630
released, or it is being
released. But then another

2524
02:48:00,630 --> 02:48:03,810
office says, Wait a minute, we
haven't made that decision. All

2525
02:48:03,810 --> 02:48:06,060
that makes sense that there's
going to be a coordinated

2526
02:48:06,060 --> 02:48:09,480
effort, because look what
happens, a story comes out, it

2527
02:48:09,480 --> 02:48:14,220
goes viral, quick when it's
about UAP. So you have to be

2528
02:48:14,220 --> 02:48:18,030
able to look at those.

2529
02:48:19,530 --> 02:48:22,110
Those occurrences, those events
that are happening through the

2530
02:48:22,110 --> 02:48:25,230
legal channels, stay on top of
it, because if you're speaking

2531
02:48:25,230 --> 02:48:28,440
for the agency, you're not going
to do a blind, you're going to

2532
02:48:28,440 --> 02:48:32,370
have to be informed about what
the FOIA is releasing. So again,

2533
02:48:32,370 --> 02:48:36,780
a lot of that makes sense. The
FOIA release to mark Zuccotti

2534
02:48:36,780 --> 02:48:42,630
for those emails was in there.
The Harry Reid letter was also

2535
02:48:42,630 --> 02:48:45,480
attached. One thing I want to
point out about all these

2536
02:48:45,480 --> 02:48:49,950
attachments is the date all
printed on the same day. Now

2537
02:48:49,950 --> 02:48:52,470
that may not seem too
significant. But the Tim

2538
02:48:52,470 --> 02:48:56,790
McMillan letter that I talked
about another Susan Gough email

2539
02:48:56,790 --> 02:48:59,760
that I referenced, all from his
Gmail account, the political

2540
02:48:59,760 --> 02:49:03,450
story, The New York Times story,
another printout, when you

2541
02:49:03,480 --> 02:49:07,110
sometimes print, they obviously
date in the top corner when you

2542
02:49:07,110 --> 02:49:12,630
print it, the date of print
532 1021. And why is this

2543
02:49:12,630 --> 02:49:15,330
relevant? Because you may just
kind of skim right past it. I

2544
02:49:15,330 --> 02:49:18,240
haven't seen a lot of people
talk about that. It's the same

2545
02:49:18,240 --> 02:49:21,960
date that the evaluation or the
DoD is actions regarding the

2546
02:49:21,960 --> 02:49:27,000
unidentified aerial phenomena.
Notice went out from the

2547
02:49:27,000 --> 02:49:30,930
Department of Defense Office of
the Inspector General, the same

2548
02:49:30,930 --> 02:49:35,610
exact day. Now some may think,
Oh, ha, and they actually

2549
02:49:35,610 --> 02:49:38,370
believe it that it was Luis
Elizondo, his complaint that

2550
02:49:38,370 --> 02:49:42,840
sparked this, it was not, and I
believe this is proof of that.

2551
02:49:43,290 --> 02:49:46,410
This was released on the same
day that he printed all that

2552
02:49:46,410 --> 02:49:49,350
material. So for the likelihood,
the likelihood of him putting

2553
02:49:49,350 --> 02:49:52,590
all that stuff together after he
prints it out, upload uploads it

2554
02:49:52,590 --> 02:49:57,240
to the DoD hotline. The DoD IG
looks at it reads 84 pages,

2555
02:49:57,240 --> 02:50:00,360
whatever it is, goes through,
the whole thing goes off Hot we

2556
02:50:00,360 --> 02:50:03,660
need to do a evaluation. They
all internally make that

2557
02:50:03,660 --> 02:50:07,080
decision. They craft this memo,
they send out the release all

2558
02:50:07,080 --> 02:50:13,290
within like 12 hours. Not a
chance. What happened here? And

2559
02:50:13,290 --> 02:50:17,280
was this announcement what
sparked them? Meaning Luis

2560
02:50:17,280 --> 02:50:19,890
Elizondo and his attorney or
attorneys or whomever was

2561
02:50:19,890 --> 02:50:25,080
involved in this to go, hey,
just just speculation, but maybe

2562
02:50:25,080 --> 02:50:29,760
we can piggyback on this because
I believe that I have heard that

2563
02:50:29,790 --> 02:50:34,080
that their IG complaint sparked
this. I couldn't find an exact

2564
02:50:34,080 --> 02:50:36,810
quote. So I'll let you guys
decide all of that there are 12

2565
02:50:36,810 --> 02:50:40,650
million interviews to go
through. But I can tell you just

2566
02:50:40,650 --> 02:50:44,190
from online chatter, that a lot
of people do believe whether it

2567
02:50:44,190 --> 02:50:48,450
was said directly or not, it
doesn't doesn't really matter to

2568
02:50:48,450 --> 02:50:52,200
me, but I'm here to dispel the
myth. There's no possible way

2569
02:50:52,200 --> 02:50:56,670
that that was submitted on the
Third of May 2021, to the DoD

2570
02:50:56,670 --> 02:51:00,360
IG, and they turned around a
announcement to the general

2571
02:51:00,360 --> 02:51:06,240
public that they looked at it
decided to have a evaluation

2572
02:51:06,240 --> 02:51:09,360
done, and they were moving
forward. So here are some

2573
02:51:09,360 --> 02:51:14,370
closing thoughts. I know we just
went through a big rundown a

2574
02:51:14,370 --> 02:51:19,950
huge deep dive into the IG
complaint. I was apprehensive to

2575
02:51:19,950 --> 02:51:23,640
do this video in this rundown.
Because when I first read the

2576
02:51:23,640 --> 02:51:28,200
complaint, certain things stuck
out that we've already gone

2577
02:51:28,200 --> 02:51:30,960
over. And even some that I
decided not to put in this

2578
02:51:30,960 --> 02:51:36,120
presentation that I knew was
wrong. Now, whether that's human

2579
02:51:36,120 --> 02:51:39,540
error, whether that's malicious,
whether that's just a

2580
02:51:39,540 --> 02:51:43,440
misunderstanding. Or maybe we
just don't have all of the

2581
02:51:43,440 --> 02:51:47,010
story. It to me doesn't matter.

2582
02:51:48,300 --> 02:51:51,900
I was apprehensive to do this
because I just didn't want yet

2583
02:51:51,900 --> 02:51:58,140
another video to have a
seemingly attack against Mr.

2584
02:51:58,140 --> 02:52:02,580
Luis Elizondo. I said recently,
in a radio show that I did, that

2585
02:52:02,580 --> 02:52:06,570
I really liked the man and like
the man, I have no problem with

2586
02:52:06,570 --> 02:52:11,370
him. From, from a personal
standpoint, I felt we get along,

2587
02:52:11,820 --> 02:52:17,100
I felt that we talked similar
language. I'm not military, but

2588
02:52:17,100 --> 02:52:21,330
rather have investigated a lot
of stuff. And can kind of talk

2589
02:52:21,330 --> 02:52:25,200
that talk a little bit where I
understand secrecy, I understand

2590
02:52:25,350 --> 02:52:27,900
some of the stuff the ins and
outs of what he was talking

2591
02:52:27,900 --> 02:52:32,940
about. And I felt a certain
click. And I felt a certain

2592
02:52:32,970 --> 02:52:39,420
understanding about him. But in
the same respect, I can't just

2593
02:52:39,420 --> 02:52:43,710
let my personal feelings cloud
what I've done for more than 25

2594
02:52:43,710 --> 02:52:47,700
years, and that is look at
stories, look at claims, look at

2595
02:52:47,700 --> 02:52:50,640
evidence, look at documents,
seek out documents, seek out

2596
02:52:50,640 --> 02:52:55,350
evidence and apply it to this
situation. I can't tell you how

2597
02:52:55,350 --> 02:52:59,400
much heat I have gotten from
people, including some vicious

2598
02:52:59,400 --> 02:53:06,720
heat over the years. And it's
not fun. If I don't do this to

2599
02:53:06,720 --> 02:53:12,450
be popular, clearly, it would
behoove me to just essentially

2600
02:53:12,450 --> 02:53:15,600
lay down and go, Hey, he's
telling the truth. And how dare

2601
02:53:15,630 --> 02:53:21,630
all of you say anything, but he
is speaking gospel, that would

2602
02:53:21,660 --> 02:53:28,350
get me more friends, that would
have me get a much easier time

2603
02:53:28,350 --> 02:53:33,000
on social media. And I wouldn't
have most of the quote unquote

2604
02:53:33,000 --> 02:53:38,580
haters that will do tweet thread
after tweet thread or meme after

2605
02:53:38,580 --> 02:53:43,800
meme because that is their only
contribution of attacking me on

2606
02:53:43,800 --> 02:53:52,350
a personal level. Or on a we'll
leave it at vicious. There were

2607
02:53:52,350 --> 02:53:57,150
people that doxxed my business,
my personal income, like my real

2608
02:53:57,150 --> 02:54:01,230
job, away from the black ball
has nothing to do with it doxed

2609
02:54:01,260 --> 02:54:06,000
that with posting an address,
which thankfully, I think far

2610
02:54:06,000 --> 02:54:09,390
ahead. That's a public address.
So it's not that big of a deal.

2611
02:54:09,720 --> 02:54:13,110
But they thought that they were
Daxing that I know for a fact

2612
02:54:13,230 --> 02:54:17,820
that they were trying to create
issues for my business online. I

2613
02:54:17,820 --> 02:54:20,610
won't give details because I
don't want to give any more

2614
02:54:20,610 --> 02:54:25,110
people ideas. But all of this
was well talked about on social

2615
02:54:25,110 --> 02:54:29,400
media, they put it out there on
Twitter. So all of that would go

2616
02:54:29,400 --> 02:54:33,630
away. I'm not trying to play a
victim here, but rather putting

2617
02:54:33,630 --> 02:54:38,670
into context, why I'm saying
what I'm saying. But if I just

2618
02:54:38,670 --> 02:54:42,510
fell down and said, Hey, this is
all gospel, I'd be lying to you,

2619
02:54:43,020 --> 02:54:47,310
because it clearly isn't. The
evidence doesn't match up to the

2620
02:54:47,310 --> 02:54:52,170
claims. The testimony doesn't
match up to the evidence. And as

2621
02:54:52,170 --> 02:54:55,440
you can see here, the testimony
doesn't even add up to the

2622
02:54:55,440 --> 02:54:59,400
testimony. These are all
important questions we need to

2623
02:54:59,400 --> 02:55:06,030
ask Some may have easy answers.
I've said that a million times.

2624
02:55:06,090 --> 02:55:09,570
But until we get the answers we
should continue to ask. But

2625
02:55:09,570 --> 02:55:14,100
clearly we have discrepancies
here and, and issues that are

2626
02:55:14,100 --> 02:55:21,660
now being put into complaints
and accusations being made about

2627
02:55:21,660 --> 02:55:26,910
other people. And as I've proven
accusations being made that are

2628
02:55:26,910 --> 02:55:31,320
unfounded, and accusation made
against somebody that had

2629
02:55:31,320 --> 02:55:35,850
nothing to do with the story, I
spent probably the most time I

2630
02:55:35,850 --> 02:55:40,950
didn't time it on that, because
that was personal to me. Not

2631
02:55:40,950 --> 02:55:45,060
because of the people involved.
But because accuracy means

2632
02:55:45,090 --> 02:55:50,670
something to me. And when
somebody uses my work, and uses

2633
02:55:50,670 --> 02:55:54,540
it to accuse somebody of
something that they didn't do,

2634
02:55:54,930 --> 02:55:58,560
that they had no role in that
they had no part in that I'm

2635
02:55:58,560 --> 02:56:02,640
going to say it. And that's
what's frustrating about this,

2636
02:56:02,640 --> 02:56:06,300
because some people will equate
that to not Jon's just a

2637
02:56:06,300 --> 02:56:09,810
government stooge. He's going
ahead and defending X, Y and Z.

2638
02:56:10,110 --> 02:56:14,910
And he's, he shouldn't be doing
that. But in reality, it's about

2639
02:56:14,910 --> 02:56:17,760
the truth, right? Isn't that
what we all want?

2640
02:56:19,050 --> 02:56:24,180
What I've been lambasted for and
so many other people, for asking

2641
02:56:24,180 --> 02:56:26,820
certain questions about the
videos about the story about a

2642
02:56:26,820 --> 02:56:30,570
tip about the origin about OS
app, the nickname The this the

2643
02:56:30,570 --> 02:56:35,520
that as if you look back, you
can actually see what we were

2644
02:56:35,520 --> 02:56:40,230
lambasted for years ago, is
actually widely accepted now

2645
02:56:40,740 --> 02:56:43,380
that even Christopher Mellon
says yes, rules were bent,

2646
02:56:43,380 --> 02:56:46,530
getting those videos out. A
couple years back, I said that

2647
02:56:46,530 --> 02:56:50,700
they weren't coming out through
kosher means. And I was

2648
02:56:50,700 --> 02:56:54,930
viciously attacked for that. Yet
here we are, where one of the

2649
02:56:54,930 --> 02:56:58,710
main players involved goes,
Yeah, rules were bent. And

2650
02:56:59,640 --> 02:57:02,910
everybody says, well, that's no
big deal. Well, wait a minute,

2651
02:57:02,910 --> 02:57:07,260
it was a big deal when I said
it. And yet, we've changed,

2652
02:57:07,290 --> 02:57:10,890
we've altered course, that
worries me the ends do not

2653
02:57:10,890 --> 02:57:14,550
justify the means. If you build
a story on a weak foundation,

2654
02:57:14,910 --> 02:57:18,810
you build that house of cards on
something weak, what happens?

2655
02:57:19,080 --> 02:57:22,350
It's going to fall down. I've
done a video on this channel

2656
02:57:22,350 --> 02:57:25,590
about history repeating itself,
that if you look at the mid and

2657
02:57:25,590 --> 02:57:29,190
late 60s and the work of Gerald
Ford and congressional interest

2658
02:57:29,190 --> 02:57:33,090
in UFOs, and the push for
further, not only transparency,

2659
02:57:33,090 --> 02:57:37,350
but inquiry into a potential
national security threat, what

2660
02:57:37,350 --> 02:57:41,760
happened, we got the Condon
report. And for decades, the US

2661
02:57:41,760 --> 02:57:46,110
government and US military lied
through their teeth based on

2662
02:57:46,110 --> 02:57:51,450
that to all of us. As we sit
right now, man, there's some

2663
02:57:51,480 --> 02:57:55,620
awesome promising things going
on. But people thought that in

2664
02:57:55,620 --> 02:58:01,110
1967 1968, as well, people
thought, hey, this is it.

2665
02:58:01,410 --> 02:58:05,220
Finally, for decades of
investigating UFOs they're

2666
02:58:05,220 --> 02:58:08,490
taking it seriously. They're
having that conversation.

2667
02:58:09,210 --> 02:58:14,460
Scientists are looking at the
data. And in the end, the house

2668
02:58:14,460 --> 02:58:18,840
of cards fell. Will that happen?
Now I'm not trying to be a

2669
02:58:18,840 --> 02:58:24,660
pessimist, but rather realistic.
And going back to this

2670
02:58:24,660 --> 02:58:27,750
complaint, in my opinion, and
that's why I kept stressing

2671
02:58:27,750 --> 02:58:32,700
opinion. This isn't going to
help. Because as we can clearly

2672
02:58:32,700 --> 02:58:38,640
see in many examples, the
evidence just isn't there. But

2673
02:58:38,640 --> 02:58:43,680
to the mainstream media or UFO,
Twitter or wherever. If you

2674
02:58:43,680 --> 02:58:48,450
don't know the proper context,
or have the time to look at it,

2675
02:58:48,660 --> 02:58:52,590
you may look at this on the
surface and go, Aha gospel, they

2676
02:58:52,590 --> 02:58:58,650
are unfairly targeting this man.
And they should be punished. But

2677
02:58:58,650 --> 02:59:02,010
what if the evidence isn't
there? What if things are

2678
02:59:02,010 --> 02:59:06,270
wrongly attributed to someone
else that shouldn't be? What if

2679
02:59:06,270 --> 02:59:09,300
somebody's taking credit for
hearing something they didn't

2680
02:59:09,300 --> 02:59:10,500
necessarily hear?

2681
02:59:11,850 --> 02:59:16,080
Is all of that just an
acceptable Miss truth? Is all of

2682
02:59:16,080 --> 02:59:21,540
that just okay, because we have
congressional hearings? I don't

2683
02:59:21,540 --> 02:59:25,950
know the answer. I'm here for
the ride. And I'll keep bringing

2684
02:59:25,950 --> 02:59:30,630
you these types of developments.
But that said, I had to give you

2685
02:59:30,630 --> 02:59:34,320
some of those closing thoughts.
Because I just don't understand

2686
02:59:34,560 --> 02:59:38,940
the lack of evidence and the
ability to make accusations like

2687
02:59:38,940 --> 02:59:43,710
this without evidence. And on
top of that, have some of the

2688
02:59:43,710 --> 02:59:48,810
people out there, just believe
it? Because he said it. We have

2689
02:59:48,810 --> 02:59:52,110
to look at the evidence and I
hope that that's what I've done

2690
02:59:52,110 --> 02:59:56,670
here in the last couple of hours
to go through this. And to show

2691
02:59:56,670 --> 03:00:00,870
you guys. We need to ask those
important questions. including,

2692
03:00:01,410 --> 03:00:04,440
why the root the person who
although was brought up in the

2693
03:00:04,440 --> 03:00:09,660
IG complaint, the person that
started what I called that shot

2694
03:00:09,660 --> 03:00:12,960
across the bow against Luis
Elizondo no accusation was made.

2695
03:00:13,290 --> 03:00:18,330
Why not? That's a huge question
for me. If there's evidence to

2696
03:00:18,330 --> 03:00:23,010
show that Susan golf at that
time, made sure would say it.

2697
03:00:23,070 --> 03:00:26,730
Okay, let's talk about that. I
see no evidence of it. Am I

2698
03:00:26,730 --> 03:00:32,400
hunting for it? Yes. If I find
what I've just said is, is a

2699
03:00:32,430 --> 03:00:36,540
wrong assumption. I will bring
that to not a problem. But as of

2700
03:00:36,540 --> 03:00:40,200
right now, there is nothing to
support it. Sherwood was the guy

2701
03:00:40,200 --> 03:00:44,670
that led the charge by name
against Luis Elizondo, and he's

2702
03:00:44,670 --> 03:00:48,570
nowhere to be found, as in the
list of the accused. It does not

2703
03:00:48,570 --> 03:00:54,330
matter if Susan Goff then carry
that torch, if you are are

2704
03:00:54,360 --> 03:00:58,320
really accusing the DoD of
creating these falsehoods

2705
03:00:58,320 --> 03:01:06,780
against you, then name them all,
not just the cherry picking. And

2706
03:01:06,780 --> 03:01:10,170
that's what's frustrating about
this and seeing this, that there

2707
03:01:10,170 --> 03:01:17,340
are good guys and gals, and bad
guys and gals. And this story

2708
03:01:17,340 --> 03:01:21,810
that has played out is pitting
the good versus the bad. Gary

2709
03:01:21,810 --> 03:01:25,290
Reed, Susan golf, Neil Tipton,
bad by the way. What did you see

2710
03:01:25,290 --> 03:01:27,780
that Neil Tipton did that was
bad. We went through the whole

2711
03:01:27,780 --> 03:01:31,410
thing. That's another one. Hey,
maybe he did do something bad

2712
03:01:31,440 --> 03:01:36,270
because he didn't run out and
endorse Elizondo? Well on paper.

2713
03:01:36,600 --> 03:01:39,870
Sherwood did a lot more than
Tipton Tipton was just around.

2714
03:01:40,320 --> 03:01:45,300
So I don't get that one. But
probably more to the story.

2715
03:01:45,600 --> 03:01:48,150
Until we get those pieces of the
puzzle, we just have to try and

2716
03:01:48,150 --> 03:01:53,100
fill in the blanks the best that
we can. I'm always curious to

2717
03:01:53,100 --> 03:01:56,160
your thoughts. If you're
watching here on YouTube, please

2718
03:01:56,160 --> 03:02:00,150
look below, see the comments
already add your own. If you

2719
03:02:00,150 --> 03:02:04,650
disagree with me, I'm glad I
don't expect all of you to agree

2720
03:02:04,650 --> 03:02:08,160
with all of my points. Give me
your feedback. Give me your

2721
03:02:08,160 --> 03:02:10,650
reaction to some of this. If
you're learning something new,

2722
03:02:10,680 --> 03:02:14,010
awesome, put it down there. Let
us know if you're listening,

2723
03:02:14,040 --> 03:02:17,340
listening on the audio podcast
version. Thank you for doing

2724
03:02:17,340 --> 03:02:23,430
that. You can stream all of
these types of presentations in

2725
03:02:23,430 --> 03:02:26,970
audio podcast form, if you're
not aware, by going to any

2726
03:02:26,970 --> 03:02:31,410
podcast aggregator and looking
for the black vault, radio, a

2727
03:02:31,410 --> 03:02:34,170
lot of these presentations get
dropped there sometimes a few

2728
03:02:34,170 --> 03:02:37,530
days after the presentation
first airs on YouTube, but you

2729
03:02:37,530 --> 03:02:41,190
can stream them there as well.
If you do listen on the audio

2730
03:02:41,190 --> 03:02:45,420
version, please, it's a big
help. To give a review, I shoot

2731
03:02:45,420 --> 03:02:48,120
for five stars, but I would
never tell you what to put. But

2732
03:02:48,120 --> 03:02:51,810
please leave your comments and
your review there because it is

2733
03:02:51,810 --> 03:02:54,750
a big help. And same with
YouTube. Thumbs up, make sure

2734
03:02:54,750 --> 03:02:57,750
you're Subscribe, subscribe to
the channel and turn those

2735
03:02:57,750 --> 03:03:03,240
notifications on. I'm always
interested in your questions.

2736
03:03:03,480 --> 03:03:08,040
I'm considering doing a live
show. Not tonight, because this

2737
03:03:08,040 --> 03:03:11,280
was a big thing for all of you
to digest. But maybe in the next

2738
03:03:11,280 --> 03:03:15,120
week or so to take some calls to
take some of your questions. And

2739
03:03:15,120 --> 03:03:19,290
to kind of dive into stuff that
maybe I missed or overlooked or

2740
03:03:19,290 --> 03:03:22,470
maybe didn't explain clearly
enough, which in a video that

2741
03:03:22,470 --> 03:03:26,640
goes a couple hours is
definitely easy to do. So the

2742
03:03:26,670 --> 03:03:30,630
comments on that asking for that
really does serve as motivation

2743
03:03:30,630 --> 03:03:34,560
for me why this video is proof
of that I was not going to do it

2744
03:03:34,740 --> 03:03:38,100
until I saw the overwhelming
reaction to me mentioning a

2745
03:03:38,100 --> 03:03:42,540
maybe. And then you guys kind of
flooded me with DMS and public

2746
03:03:42,540 --> 03:03:46,530
posts and here we are. So thank
you for that. Thank you for your

2747
03:03:46,530 --> 03:03:49,800
support of this channel. And I'm
really looking forward to seeing

2748
03:03:49,800 --> 03:03:52,800
your feedback. And for now, this
is John Greenewald Jr signing

2749
03:03:52,800 --> 03:03:54,510
off. And I'll see you next time