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our witness Dr. Shawn
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John Greenewald: Some will call
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Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: You'll see
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screen. There it goes.

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John Greenewald: Others will
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major letdown.

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Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: I should
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record that in our research
arrow has found no credible

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evidence thus far of
extraterrestrial activity

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offworld technology or objects
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physics,

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John Greenewald: me. While I
just see numerous paper trails

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to follow and uncover where
those paper trails lead is

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anyone's guess. But I will be
here to bring it to you. Join me

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as I dissect last week's hearing
to the Subcommittee on emerging

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threats and capabilities of the
US Senate Committee on ARM

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services. We will hear the
highs, the lows, and maybe

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what's next. Stay tuned, you're
about to journey inside the

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black vault.

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That's right, everybody. As
always, thank you so much for

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tuning in. And taking this
journey inside the black vault

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with me. I am John Greenewald,
Jr, creator of the black

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vault.com. And today we are
dissecting last week's UAP

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hearing, many of you are
probably let down because you

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wanted to have some kind of
unbelievable evidence presented

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to us there was a lot of hype
about this hearing. A lot of

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YouTubers and social media
personalities, they were all

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hyping it up. Some were saying
that well, here we are taking

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another step to disclosure,
while other ones were on the

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opposite end of the scale. They
were saying, Look, don't get

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your hopes up. Because you're
probably not going to see much

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wherever you were on the
spectrum. At the end of the day,

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of course, it's going to be a
letdown anybody that has

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interest in UFOs. Even if you're
a genuine skeptic, but care

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about the evidence, you're going
to be let down. The problem with

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the hearing is there wasn't a
whole lot that we didn't know

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with few exceptions. And that's
what I'm going to go through in

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this deep dive. These deep dives
I know are not for everybody.

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They can be long. In fact, I
don't know how long this video

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will end up. But more likely
than not, it will be longer than

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the actual hearing itself. So
what's the point? For me, I've

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noticed that a lot of you not
everybody, but a lot of you like

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to not necessarily watch that
raw hearing, because let's face

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it, it can get tedious and
boring. But also, it's a way for

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all of us to just talk about it.
I love your comments that you

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put in the channel. Anything
that I say in these videos, when

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I label it an opinion or
obviously speculate. I don't

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claim to be right, I never have.
I don't have all the answers.

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But what I like to do is throw
stuff out there for you guys in

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these deep dives, those that
like to sit through them. And

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then hear that feedback in
return because I always learned

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something from all of you as
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you kind of my perspective based
on dealing with the government

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for so many years. But also, I'm
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if you're watching on YouTube,
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have a lot of fun in the future.
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some visuals here. And let's
just kind of get started. What I

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again I'm going to do is this
deep dive analysis into the UAP

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hearing from my perspective,
again, a lot of opinion and pure

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speculation. I'll try and label
those parts as such, but also

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play a bunch of clips for you as
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through and hear from Dr. Sean
Kirkpatrick, the one witness, if

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you want to call him that the
expert that came in he heads

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arrow that UFO office within the
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and identified a anomalous
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acronym of the day. Maybe a
change this morning again, who

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knows? But one thought before we
really get rolling Something

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that I posted immediately on
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notice it. And that is quite
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attendance was, I would say an
embarrassment when it comes to

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this type of an issue, not
because we all love UFOs. But

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rather we know that the root of
whatever this, this is, whatever

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you want to call it, foreign
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want to call it aliens, or
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national security aspect that
Congress in the Senate should

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should worry about, like these
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care about our safety should
have packed this room. Now, to

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be fair, there was a classified
version of the same hearing,

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just prior to the public
hearing. Now, I've heard rumors,

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I didn't speak to the committee
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rumor was that logistically, it
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do that, in that way. For me,
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there. I think stuff like that
is strategic. And here's why

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when you watch the last hearing,
with Scott Bray and Ronald

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Moultrie, when they touched on
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The responses were well, we can
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closed session or the classified
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get the answer to the question,
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that tip that off that says,
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talk about this aspect. We can
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session. Well, that stinks.
Because we can't hear anything

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about it. However, we can
understand what was getting into

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a classified territory, what was
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say, hey, we can't talk about
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listening. So we got to go in
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people that have clearance.
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this time. Not a single question
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show up had really anything that
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Kirkpatrick didn't have to say,
we have to do this in a

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classified setting. So that's
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or not that was strategic. Look,
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because we, meaning people like
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information, know what's pushing
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didn't get that in this hearing,
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this, let me turn a laser
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the empty seats here. Yeah,
there we go. All those empty

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seats, all those members of the
committee that didn't even

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bother to show up and this,
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Gillibrand and Joni Ernst, don't
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the shot. So I mean, I only
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bit tedious at times to listen
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the audience itself, not a whole
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yet a lot of chairs were empty.
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that were not from the
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nothing wrong with that. By the
way, I want to point out my

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buddy over here, Dan Warren, who
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he's also on Twitter and, and so
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human being kudos to him for
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couple other people as well,
that we're not part of the

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mainstream media. But we're
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in this. Let's let's call it a
historic event. But I don't see

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this back row lined with
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cameras floating but But where's
the attention? This is a pretty

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important event here, a very
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regardless of where you fall on
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but where is everybody? And that
to me, is absent when you

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juxtapose that with the first
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saw a lot more cameras, I saw a
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more attention. Now, we heard a
little bit about this in

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mainstream media, but not a
whole lot. And I got into a lot

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of heat, which you know, happens
a lot in my, in my neck of the

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woods on social media, but got a
lot of heat for saying that

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maybe congressional interest is
waning in this topic. I said

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this, I don't know, mid to late
last year, simply because of the

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lack of push to get that report
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2022. Didn't come out till 2023.
There was really like, no, no

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one cared. And in fairness,
maybe they were talking behind

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the scenes, but nobody came out
and said, Hey, look, we know

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it's late. XYZ is going on. It's
fine. We're familiar with the

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delay. On the contrary, it was
just like no one cared. And

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that's what was the very
frustrating thing. So is this

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evidence now that that statement
is becoming more true? That not

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only from the other shot you
have, you know, that lack of of

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congressional interest and the
lack of senators that showed up,

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but also the other side? That
kudos to those two that had

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shown up in the room, but the
mainstream media was not there.

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And that That's a shame, given
the importance of what we're

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talking about and the
implications behind it. One of

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the other broad stroke, things
that I'll point out is the tone

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itself. I think if you're like
me, it was kind of brutal and

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part. And I'm fascinated by this
kind of stuff. And I am one of

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those geeks that actually
watches these types of hearings.

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But it felt forced to me. Now I
know, scripted isn't the right

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word, because it literally was
scripted in the beginning with

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opening statements, and so on
and so forth. So that's not

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really the right way to phrase
it. But forced is a way to say

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it for me, that he just seemed
uncomfortable being there. Maybe

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he doesn't like cameras, maybe
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So I'm not bashing Dr.
Kirkpatrick in any way

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whatsoever. But all I'm saying
is when you watch it, it was

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like, Oh, my goodness, like
there was a couple parts,

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putting these clips together,
that I would drift off, and oh,

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God, I didn't, I missed that.
And I'd go back and I'd listen

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to it again. And I drift off
again, going, why do you just

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say, go back again, and listen
to it, because it was tough.

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Now, again, that's not meant to
be insulting. But when somebody

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essentially forced to be there
and forced to essentially say

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certain things. It's not as
passionate, it's not as

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exciting. And that's what,
sadly, was the outcome of all of

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this. Now, what if that was also
strategic, make it just so got

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awfully boring, who would want
to cover it? I worked in

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television for many years, as
many of you know. And when

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you're working for companies
like the History Channel, and

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Discovery Channel, and all those
guys, every single soundbite

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needs to work, right, you don't
have fluff, you don't have extra

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stuff in there, you clip it and
edit it to make it exciting

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every step of the way. Because
if you lose your audience, what

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happens? So you change the
channel. So you look for sound

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bites in the interviews, you go
through transcripts first, then

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you go to the video, and you see
how exciting it really is. If

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it's dull, it, the words could
be pretty cool. But sadly, the

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video will lose the viewer. This
was hard to pick out those sound

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bites because you didn't have
any anything really, when it

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came to the tone. It was just
kind of monotone. And in my

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opinion forced is the best way
to explain it. But when you get

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through all those kind of broad
strokes, characteristics. In my

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mind, there were certain things
that had come out that were

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pretty interesting. First and
foremost, the fact that Dr.

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Kirkpatrick had said that there
is now as of the week of April

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17, which happened to be my
birthday. There were total of

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650 cases 650. So those 650 are
what arrow has collected in and

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essentially numbered and are in
their system. So to speak.

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Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: This week,
we are tracking over a total of

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650 cases.

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John Greenewald: So 650 cases.
Now how does that stack up?

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Well, for those of you who read
the articles that I published, I

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think I did a video about this
as well. I had received a list

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of the cases with nothing but
the serial numbers, which yes,

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in large part is kind of
useless. Unless you utilize the

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FOIA or are keeping track of how
aro is putting all of this

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together behind the scenes, it's
going to be a puzzle, we're not

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going to get the whole picture
up front, we got to piece it all

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together. So this was a very
important list of material that

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I got through FOIA listing all
the case numbers, because number

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one, it showed us how they were
doing it. Number two, it showed

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us what serial numbers we could
request. But then on top of

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that, it told us a number. And
that number as of December 6 of

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2022 was 511. Now to put that,
in comparison with what we knew

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previous, that report that was
published in 2023, had data

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through August 30 2020 to 2022.
And that number was 510. Only

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one case, had been added to
Arrow's database that they felt

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worthy one case, from October or
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December 6 of 2022. Now go from
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17. Now we're at over 650 Not
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jump towards the end of 2022.
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jump in the beginning of 2023.
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have. So that's kind of an
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and taking cases in only adding
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intriguing to me. It wasn't a
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encouragement that maybe they
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truly only going for the real
anomalous cases, or they just

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went on vacation and didn't care
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out to be about 139 cases. From
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17 of this year. Another
interesting thing gleamed from

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the interview was the fact that
arrow has conducted nearly two

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dozen interviews. I'll play the
clip later because there's a

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little bit more context that
I'll deal with later on in this

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deep dive, but essentially what
what he had stated was that

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there were two about tier two
dozen people that had been

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brought in. And from what we
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they were largely if not all,
brought in by the recommendation

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of either senators that were in
the room. Maybe Kirsten

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Gillibrand, or others that had
referred them over to aro quite

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intriguing. Now, because others
have posted online being

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interviewed, namely Robert
solace, which is public record,

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he put that out there on social
media. He was interviewed by

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Eero that they were taking his
testimony in about his

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experiences through the UFO
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and his firsthand account of
what he experienced. I used that

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and when, okay, if they
interviewed one, they

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interviewed more. So when solace
had posted that online, I had

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filed a FOIA request for the
transcript of every single

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interview that they had done up
until that point, I'm also going

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for videos and stuff like that
if they took it. But usually,

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transcripts are going to be one
of the easier things to get a

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quick reference to pass times
that I've done that I got Luis

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Elizondo his transcript when he
was interviewed by the

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Department of Defense Office of
the Inspector General. And you

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can read pretty much the whole
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obviously, but you can, but you
can read through that. So what

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they do is when they do these
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audio, sometimes it's video, but
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then that's generally what they
what they have behind the

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scenes, more than all else. So
that is something that I've been

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been going for. So now I know,
through this congressional

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testimony, there's at least two
dozen that I could potentially

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get my my hands on.

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Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: I should
also state clearly for the

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record that in our research
arrow has found no credible

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evidence thus far of
extraterrestrial activity

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offworld technology or objects
that defy the known laws of

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physics.

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John Greenewald: Oh, you know
that that upset a lot of people

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when he said when he said that,
because the verbiage that he

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used, the types of wording that
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through the New York Times,

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namely sourced to Dr. Eric
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physics, we know that there's a
couple people that have been

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hinting and outright saying that
type of stuff, making these big

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claims and podcasts on YouTube
channels, even on mainstream

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media, not citing specific cases
or specifics, but rather just

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either alluding to it or saying,
Oh, these things are defying

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known laws of physics, or they
are evidence of offworld

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vehicles or legacy programs or
whatever. And yet he uses that

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same wording and says there's no
credible evidence of that. Now,

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do we take him at his word? I'll
let you guys decide. He could

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absolutely be lying. All of the
aforementioned people that are

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out there making those types of
claims could absolutely be

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telling the truth. Here's the
issue, though. In my opinion,

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that testimony goes against
those that we know who have been

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interviewed, those that we hope
have been interviewed, and those

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that have been rumored to have
been interviewed. Bob Lazar,

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Robert Bigelow, head of the all
SAP program that kind of started

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this whole mess allegedly. How
put off one of the main guys who

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worked with bass and Robert
Bigelow on Allsop Luis Elizondo,

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who says that he headed the
program for years investigating

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UAP and he called his program a
tip. Dr. Eric Davis, while his

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notes, I put it in air quotes,
because I don't think they're

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genuine, or depict real events,
I should say, his notes are

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brought up in the last UAP
hearing. Now, if his notes are

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true about his meeting with
Admiral will, Thomas Wilson, if

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all of that is true, it goes
against everything that we have

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been taught as humans, full
stop, right? It would change the

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world. There's not a single
politician who would not want

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their name attached to changing
the world. You would think that

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if they put that into
congressional record and ask

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Ronald Moultrie and Scott Bray
and put it out there, even if

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they didn't know what that story
was, you would think by then to

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now, they would have done
something to try and cooperate

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it, right. I mean, I would think
so. So did they interview Eric

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Davis, how about James McCaskey?
who again was part of OSS, AP,

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and so on and so forth. Jay
Stratton, any of these

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individuals, did they interview
them? And were they not

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credible? If not, why not? So I
think at this point, if they

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haven't been interviewed, all of
these individuals who have been

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alluding to some very, let's say
far out there material, even

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though they're not encroaching
on their security oaths, if they

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know that Kirkpatrick is lying,
or Kirkpatrick is not getting

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his proper access to what needs
to be known, then things need to

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be done. Right? I mean, I would
think that they would scream to

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the high heavens, and yet I
haven't seen any of them come

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out and say, You know what, I
will not violate my oath. But I

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will say with the whistleblower
protection, and if Kyrsten

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Gillibrand really wants to know,
and so on and so forth, I will

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testify under oath. And although
some of those things may have

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been said, in a YouTube podcast
or whatever, then let's do it.

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Get a message to Kirsten
Gillibrand, and say, he lied to

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all of you, your committee, to
the Senate, to the American

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people, or to be fair to him to
Sean, Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, if

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he does not have the access. But
any of these individuals do or

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did then say he is not getting
the right information. But where

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is that we don't, we're getting
books. Right? We're getting some

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podcasts here and there. And of
course, we get the anonymous

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sources. Did arrow track down
any of these classified leaks

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that all of these YouTubers are
talking about? I remember this

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one from the release of the UAP
report, the first one I think in

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was it 2021. And around the same
time, Richard Dolan had put a

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slide up what was leaked to him
that day. And to him, it was a

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very credible source, which I
think was his way of describing

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it. And essentially, might be
hard to see on your screen. But

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was talking about EA T related
or extra terrestrial related

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items, alien technology, stuff
that goes well beyond what was

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really in the classified report.
Now, when this was posted and

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broadcast out there, the
classified report had not been

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released. In Part, I started
fighting for it that the morning

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after the 2021 report, was
published to the public, I went

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after the classified version,
and a lot of people mocked that

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that effort, they said, You're
never going to get anything.

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Now, although I didn't get
everything. I did get a lot of

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it. And it was pretty clear that
the message overall, was pretty

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much echoing what the public was
being told in the public report

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lots of redactions, including
the shapes of UAP, and so on,

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and so forth. So don't get me
wrong, there was still a lot

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hidden. But there was no way
that ET technology was in the

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classified report. When in the
public report. It wasn't

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there's, I'm sorry, there's just
not right. Like nobody's been

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able to say that. And this has
kind of gone away. I haven't

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heard really any anybody talk
about this. This kind of stuff

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needs to be called out. This
kind of stuff needs to be dealt

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with. It doesn't help people
like her Kirkpatrick who's

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trying to let's just take him at
his word, trying to make sense

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of all of this and trying to do
a scientific effort effort. But

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it doesn't help with any of us
either. It doesn't help

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anywhere. So to just blast out,
oh, look what was leaked to me

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by these anonymous sources. No.
And the fact that nobody's

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getting arrested and nobody's
being investigated. First

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Amendment is pretty powerful,
even when it comes to

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fabrication. So a lot of

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rebuttals that I see out there
that he's that certain people

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are not being investigated or
anything like that. Look, you go

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down a rabbit hole when it comes
to those types of

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investigations. But in my
opinion, all of this type of

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stuff is bunk, all those social
media accounts, citing their

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anonymous sources, and my source
told me this great, well, now's

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the time to put up if any of
these anonymous people that are

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helping either YouTubers or
social media accounts, it's time

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to step up. You can do so
without telling the public your

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identity, but go directly to the
Senate. If Kirkpatrick does not

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have access himself, or he is
lying, the now's the time to

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either put up or shut up.
Because as anybody knows on this

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on this channel, I do not care
for anonymous sources at all,

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because most of the time it's
all bunk anyway, and provable,

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but most of the time when it's
not provable, per se, it's

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highly unlikely any of it is
true. But that brings me to the

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small percentage of leaks that
actually does intrigued me. And

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yet for whatever reason, we
don't see any evidence at this

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point of invest instigation on
why UAP previous leaks are not

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being investigated. Now. Did
arrow look into these? Do they

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echo what the public is being
told through anonymous sources

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and we're talking about flying
triangles and this Baghdad

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Phantom is, is unexplained? I
don't know I don't have the the

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answer to that. But I've hinted
at this in past videos, and I

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think now's the time to just
come out with this particular

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quote, because this is where
it's getting really interesting.

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I may not always agree with
Jeremy Korbel. But he's

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intrigued me for quite a few
years now, because he's

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obviously getting material that
is legitimate, that the Pentagon

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has commented on with now a
couple of exceptions, but in the

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beginning, they were commenting
on it. So I was always intrigued

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by that. But the most recent was
the most intriguing not because

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of the object. But because the
fact that an MQ nine Reaper

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drone, a highly classified piece
of equipment, it's video I knew

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was classified now that what
they call the security

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classification guy, there is one
for the MQ nine. I'm going after

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that document. But I knew just
from research that the MQ nine

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footage, anything that's taken
on that platform is inherently

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classified. And what that means
is is that per that security

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classification guide, it is
automatically classified, so

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they can't release anything
unless there was a specific

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mission to go out. Take a video
for released to the public after

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Santa sanitisation. I finally
got proof of that, that comes

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from the Air Combat Command
public affairs. Here's the exact

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quote that was given to me. In
accordance with general

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operational security practices
and the MQ nine security

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classification guide. All
imagery captured by the MQ nine

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is typically classified unless
mission requirements dictate the

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need to sanitize any video
footage for lower classification

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or public release purposes. The
MQ nine security classification

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guide and the details within is
not releasable or available to

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the public in accordance with
its own level of security

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classification. Well, to that
last part challenge accepted, I

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will go or I have already filed
the case. But we'll continue to

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go after that security
classification guide likely be

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highly redacted, but at least
I'm going to try and get that

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regardless of if I do. The point
remains. The Baghdad phantom

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shot by an MQ nine was obviously
not a PR mission for them to

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shoot that object for release to
the public. So their generic

433
00:27:36,990 --> 00:27:40,470
statement of if that is the
case, then yes, footage can be

434
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:45,570
released. It's classified. You
can't take still frames of a

435
00:27:45,570 --> 00:27:49,440
classified video call it a
unclassified image. I don't know

436
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,860
if Jeremy Korbel thinks that
way. But just for anybody who

437
00:27:52,860 --> 00:27:55,920
does, you can't do that
classified as classified,

438
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,370
whether it's moving images or
not. It's all the same when it

439
00:27:59,370 --> 00:28:04,320
comes to the security behind all
of this. So where is the

440
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,200
investigation, especially after
the recent leaks of the from the

441
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,830
Department of Defense, and our
situation over in Ukraine,

442
00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:14,850
obviously nothing to do with
UAP. But those leaks have

443
00:28:14,850 --> 00:28:21,120
created an uproar. The Pentagon
had to do damage control, the

444
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,960
guy was led out in cuffs,
obviously, leaks of classified

445
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:32,100
material are important. But with
UAP we don't know why. But it

446
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:35,610
just seems like nothing ever
happens to anybody. Nor does it

447
00:28:35,610 --> 00:28:39,540
even become an investigation.
I'm still searching it. I here's

448
00:28:39,540 --> 00:28:43,770
my personal opinion based on
nothing but that I believe this

449
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:50,130
is being or quickly was or will
be investigated. Plain and

450
00:28:50,130 --> 00:28:53,460
simple. I think that there's too
much now that the DoD is going

451
00:28:53,460 --> 00:28:57,000
to go Oh, MQ nine Reaper
footage, not a problem, let's

452
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,570
let that go. And yet they go
after all this other stuff. That

453
00:29:00,570 --> 00:29:03,540
doesn't mean Jeremy Corbyn did
anything wrong? I won't make a

454
00:29:03,540 --> 00:29:06,720
whole diatribe here on
journalists publishing

455
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,450
classified information, so on
and so forth. That's a whole

456
00:29:09,450 --> 00:29:13,380
legal area I'm not even going to
bother you or bore you with. But

457
00:29:13,380 --> 00:29:16,770
rather I think the overall
situation and the fact that it

458
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:21,300
got out in the first place is
going to be investigated if it's

459
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:25,440
not being already. And yes, I am
trying to pursue that story

460
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,210
more. I've sat on that quote for
about a month or so. On its own,

461
00:29:30,210 --> 00:29:33,090
it's like you're saying Why did
you sit on it? Well, because it

462
00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:36,150
fits into a much bigger story.
And that bigger story, I think

463
00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:39,960
is the investigation in that the
past leaks, like some of what

464
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,250
you see here, were all taken by
fairly, you know, not sensitive

465
00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:48,090
platforms. So you've got the
Snoopy team. I put some pictures

466
00:29:48,090 --> 00:29:51,750
of the actual Snoopy teams for
the US Navy down here. And the

467
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:54,660
cameras they use they're not
they're not a Reaper, drone

468
00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:59,310
level classified piece of
technology. These are likely you

469
00:29:59,310 --> 00:30:01,890
know, maybe just the In
cellphone photo videos, or

470
00:30:01,890 --> 00:30:06,780
excuse me, still frames from the
pilot, there's obviously taken

471
00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:13,080
by f 18. I think you're the
gimbal. And then the the Omaha

472
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,960
footage that leaked out
obviously not a highly

473
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:19,500
classified piece of equipment
either. So so it kind of ramped

474
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:23,760
up to this MQ nine release. And
to me that was more intriguing

475
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,840
than this Baghdad Phantom. And
what's also interesting is the

476
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,890
fact that that got like the
least amount of coverage. Why I

477
00:30:31,890 --> 00:30:35,670
don't know, waning interest, I'm
not sure. But there wasn't

478
00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:39,630
really a whole lot of coverage
to that latest leak. So for me

479
00:30:39,630 --> 00:30:43,620
what's going to happen, and I'm
super intrigued by that, because

480
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,490
I really have no idea. But I
just believe deep down there is

481
00:30:47,490 --> 00:30:50,460
no way that they're going to let
that stuff out and into the open

482
00:30:50,670 --> 00:30:52,500
and not look into why

483
00:30:53,069 --> 00:30:54,959
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: arrow is
leading a focused effort to

484
00:30:54,959 --> 00:30:59,219
better characterize, understand
and attribute UAP with priority

485
00:30:59,219 --> 00:31:04,169
given to UAP reports by DOD and
IC personnel in or near areas of

486
00:31:04,169 --> 00:31:08,069
national security importance.
DOD fully appreciates the

487
00:31:08,069 --> 00:31:12,149
eagerness from many quarters,
especially here in Congress and

488
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:15,119
in the American public to
quickly resolve every UAP

489
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:18,209
encountered across the globe.
From the distant past through

490
00:31:18,209 --> 00:31:22,169
today. It's important to note
however, arrow is the

491
00:31:22,169 --> 00:31:26,099
culmination of decades of DOD
intelligence community and

492
00:31:26,099 --> 00:31:29,669
congressionally directed efforts
to successfully resolve UAP

493
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:33,239
encountered first and foremost
by US military personnel,

494
00:31:33,449 --> 00:31:35,639
specifically navy and air force
pilots.

495
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,050
John Greenewald: Decades, what's
he talking about? I mean, if

496
00:31:40,050 --> 00:31:42,510
he's really laying the
groundwork of decades, okay,

497
00:31:42,510 --> 00:31:46,260
let's accept that the those that
have come out about OSS happen a

498
00:31:46,260 --> 00:31:49,680
tip and it's all UFO and UAP.
Related, that decades of

499
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,570
material and investigation that
they've done, where is it? I

500
00:31:54,570 --> 00:31:58,200
can't find any. Right? And
people like me, I'm not I'm not

501
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,440
saying I'm the standalone person
trying to go after information.

502
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,470
But where is it? That's what I
don't understand. But yet he

503
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:09,180
drops the decades. thing here.
So what are they what have they

504
00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:12,270
investigated for decades? And
where is it? And what did they

505
00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:15,180
learn? Put a pin in that because
I think that that'll be more

506
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,800
important here. As we go on. I

507
00:32:16,830 --> 00:32:18,690
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: want to
underscore today that only a

508
00:32:18,690 --> 00:32:22,950
very small percentage of UAP
reports display signatures that

509
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:26,670
could reasonably be described as
anomalous. The majority of

510
00:32:26,670 --> 00:32:30,900
unidentified objects reported to
arrow demonstrate mundane

511
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:34,200
characteristics of balloons,
unmanned aerial systems,

512
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,050
clutter, natural phenomena or
other readily explainable

513
00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:37,650
sources,

514
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,010
John Greenewald: a small
percentage, and that makes sense

515
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,160
for anybody who's been involved
in UFO research, even prior to

516
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,220
this present day conversation
knows that it's a very small

517
00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:52,050
percentage of UFO encounters,
that are truly UFOs. What's

518
00:32:52,050 --> 00:32:54,570
interesting, just a little bit
of historical perspective, it

519
00:32:54,570 --> 00:32:59,160
actually lines up going back to
1955. And the statistics back

520
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,930
then, from Project Bluebook. You
can see here that it broke down

521
00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:09,990
balloons, aircraft, other not
enough data, and the true

522
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:15,060
unknowns, single digits. So
obviously, it coincides with

523
00:33:15,090 --> 00:33:19,800
what was in the past. So that's
not a surprise to anybody. But I

524
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,580
think those types of things are
used, because it makes it less,

525
00:33:23,910 --> 00:33:27,210
less impressive, less
interesting to the general

526
00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:30,180
public. Oh, it's a very small
percentage. So maybe if they had

527
00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:34,770
more data, they would, you know,
be able to solve those to

528
00:33:35,370 --> 00:33:37,890
Kirkpatrick and I'll play the
video in a little bit said

529
00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:43,050
exactly that. And interestingly
enough, so did they in 1955, as

530
00:33:43,050 --> 00:33:45,570
the study of the current cases
progressed, it became

531
00:33:45,570 --> 00:33:48,120
increasingly obvious that if
reporting and investigative

532
00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:51,780
investigating procedures could
be further improved, the

533
00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:55,200
percentages of those cases
cases, which contains

534
00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:58,080
insufficient information, and
those remaining unexplained

535
00:33:58,260 --> 00:34:01,620
would be greatly reduced. That's
fine, though, even I'll take a

536
00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:04,830
couple of percent, because
that's weeding out all of the

537
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:08,550
explained information. But what
also concerns me is we're on the

538
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:14,820
same exact path that we were in
the 1950s. That's what is

539
00:34:14,910 --> 00:34:18,390
playing out here. And if you go
back to a video on this very

540
00:34:18,390 --> 00:34:21,810
channel, here on YouTube, and if
you're not watching on YouTube,

541
00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:25,680
just look for the black vaults,
originals channel. And you will

542
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,220
find a full breakdown about how
what's what was unfolding today.

543
00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:34,350
And what is unfolding today is
almost exactly what unfolded

544
00:34:34,350 --> 00:34:37,890
through the late 1950s and 60s,
and how this whole thing

545
00:34:37,890 --> 00:34:41,190
progressed, congressional
hearings and all whistleblowers

546
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:44,910
and all former government
personnel and all and it's a

547
00:34:44,910 --> 00:34:48,030
really interesting
juxtaposition. When you look at

548
00:34:48,030 --> 00:34:51,840
the two I did that, what, two
years ago now, probably some

549
00:34:51,870 --> 00:34:54,690
somewhere in the last two years.
Then when you look at this,

550
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:57,750
we're seeing the exact same
thing again, right down to the

551
00:34:57,750 --> 00:35:02,880
single percentage points and The
thirst for more data, the need

552
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,820
for more data. Well, what have
they done for the last 60 plus

553
00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:08,010
years since the last time they
said it.

554
00:35:08,430 --> 00:35:10,050
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: Arrow is
member of the department's

555
00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:13,110
support to the administration's
tiger team effort to deal with

556
00:35:13,110 --> 00:35:16,410
stratospheric objects such as
the PRC, high altitude balloon?

557
00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:20,910
Well, when previously unknown
objects are successfully

558
00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:26,520
identified, it is Arrow's role
to quickly and efficiently hand

559
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,270
off such readily explainable
objects to the intelligence law

560
00:35:30,270 --> 00:35:33,420
enforcement or operational
safety communities for further

561
00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:37,860
analysis and appropriate action.
In other words, arrows mission

562
00:35:37,860 --> 00:35:41,880
is to turn UAP into SCP,
somebody else's problem.

563
00:35:43,950 --> 00:35:46,560
John Greenewald: He just seems
so proud of that joke. So I had

564
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,220
to put it in there somebody
else's problem or S E. P. I love

565
00:35:50,220 --> 00:35:52,980
to smirk after. So if that's
what they're trying to do,

566
00:35:52,980 --> 00:35:56,700
they're just trying to explain
and move it to the appropriate

567
00:35:56,700 --> 00:36:00,930
intelligence agencies. What's
really concerning as an overall

568
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,110
kind of broad stroke note on
that is why wasn't stuff like

569
00:36:04,110 --> 00:36:09,630
this in place before? It doesn't
matter about UFOs or UAP talk

570
00:36:09,630 --> 00:36:12,360
anymore? But from a national
security perspective, are you

571
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,150
telling me that they weren't
really looking into anything

572
00:36:15,150 --> 00:36:21,150
that they couldn't identify
NORAD, or the NRO, or NASA or

573
00:36:21,150 --> 00:36:24,060
anybody that they were, they
didn't have any type of

574
00:36:24,270 --> 00:36:29,010
investigation process. That, to
me is incredibly concerning.

575
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,020
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: Meanwhile,
for the few cases in all

576
00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:35,490
domains, space, air and sea,
that do demonstrate potentially

577
00:36:35,490 --> 00:36:39,480
anomalous characteristics, Arrow
exists to help the DoD IC and

578
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,680
interagency resolve those
anomalous cases. In doing so,

579
00:36:43,710 --> 00:36:46,440
arrow is approaching these cases
with the highest level of

580
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,850
objectivity, and analytic rigor.
This includes physically testing

581
00:36:50,850 --> 00:36:54,690
and employing modeling and
simulation validate our analyses

582
00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:57,660
and underlying theories, then
peer reviewing those results

583
00:36:57,660 --> 00:37:00,990
within US government, industry
partners and appropriately

584
00:37:00,990 --> 00:37:04,650
cleared academic institutions
before reaching any conclusions,

585
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,820
John Greenewald: space, air and
sea, all the domains that we

586
00:37:08,820 --> 00:37:12,360
knew they were looking at. But I
took the way that he just said

587
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,830
that is they have confirmed
anomalous cases in space as

588
00:37:16,830 --> 00:37:19,530
well. Now, why is that
surprising, because we don't

589
00:37:19,530 --> 00:37:22,620
really hear about that a lot. We
see the ground based ones, we

590
00:37:22,620 --> 00:37:26,100
see the ones where the Navy is
out at sea. And that was at the

591
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:29,460
first hearing and then
explaining that one, they Erawan

592
00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:33,870
is obvious, everything we see is
pretty much within close

593
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:37,860
proximity to us. We're not
talking about space based

594
00:37:37,860 --> 00:37:41,400
objects and what we've seen. So
what's there, and that has

595
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,300
intrigued me. And yes, I am
going after those cases as well,

596
00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:49,860
specifically, from that domain
to see if arrow will release

597
00:37:49,890 --> 00:37:54,660
anything that they have from
that, again, targeted domain.

598
00:37:55,170 --> 00:37:59,640
Because when you go for all 650
cases, through FOIA, a quick

599
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,090
FOIA note for the FOIA users out
there, that is an example of

600
00:38:03,090 --> 00:38:06,720
what will likely be too
burdensome of a request, that's

601
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:12,210
too much work for them to go
through and declassify 650. Why

602
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:15,120
a lot of them are in draft form,
they haven't been touched, yet

603
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,730
they haven't been analyzed. And
you're going to have to then

604
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,500
review all of that information
for declassification. They'll

605
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:25,560
reject it and kick it back. So
you have to go through specific

606
00:38:26,340 --> 00:38:30,480
cases with a specific target in
mind. So that particular case

607
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,630
that I filed was all of the
space domain to try and get

608
00:38:33,630 --> 00:38:37,290
those. Another part of that clip
that was really interesting to

609
00:38:37,290 --> 00:38:40,500
me, was industry partners and
appropriate cleared academic

610
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:44,250
institutions appropriately
cleared. What does that mean,

611
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,480
classified information is my
guess. Now, I'm not insinuating

612
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,290
any of the logos that I have on
screen here are involved at all.

613
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,710
But I do know that there has
been a lot of talk, and that

614
00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:59,370
there's been a lot of rumor and
speculation about those that you

615
00:38:59,370 --> 00:39:02,370
see on the screen. So I want to
stress that again, I am not

616
00:39:02,370 --> 00:39:07,260
saying that any one of these
organizations have classified

617
00:39:07,290 --> 00:39:12,120
clearances, and they're looking
into these UAP sightings not

618
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,560
telling you or I they preach
transparency, but essentially,

619
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,130
you're siding with secrecy. I'm
not saying that. But what I am

620
00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:23,310
saying is it's incredibly
concerning to hear that we're

621
00:39:23,310 --> 00:39:28,080
going down the same path yet
again, that we did in the late

622
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:33,750
50s 1960s The ramp up to the
essentially the closing of

623
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:37,290
project Bluebook where certain
academic and institutions got

624
00:39:37,290 --> 00:39:39,900
involved that they looked at
that information and said nope,

625
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,140
UAP isn't worthwhile. It's not a
threat to national security.

626
00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:47,190
Let's move on that we are on
that path again. On top of that

627
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:50,880
appropriately clearing private
institutions. We should know who

628
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,640
that is why? Because a lot of
organizations are out there

629
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,610
preaching transparency, but I
also believe that they would be

630
00:39:56,610 --> 00:39:59,460
interested in taking that
government contract or

631
00:39:59,460 --> 00:40:02,820
consulting gig, if given the
opportunity. So where do you

632
00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:06,450
draw the line? Do you take that
just so you can go ahead and see

633
00:40:06,450 --> 00:40:09,750
that information but keep it
within a private entity or

634
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:13,200
organization? I hope not. And
again, I'm not saying that

635
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,140
anything that you see on screen
here, including the Galileo

636
00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:20,310
Project, UAP, X and sigma labs
are radiants technologies for

637
00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:22,980
those listening to the audio
version. I'm not saying that

638
00:40:22,980 --> 00:40:25,320
they're involved in that, but
that's where it gets concerning.

639
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,810
Let's look at the Galileo
Project for a minute. I

640
00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:31,260
interviewed Dr. Avi Loeb, when
he first announced the project,

641
00:40:31,260 --> 00:40:35,190
and I was incredibly encouraged
by it, but since he started, you

642
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:39,270
now have a lot of former
government people that have a

643
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:42,750
lot of rumor attached to them,
and a lot of speculation

644
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:46,770
attached to them. So with them
being involved, could it get to

645
00:40:46,770 --> 00:40:51,120
a point where Dr. lobes team
does find something, if they're

646
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,580
appropriately cleared, that
means that they may have some

647
00:40:53,580 --> 00:40:57,600
security clearances that go
along with their ability to work

648
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,950
with Aero. And to put the icing
on the cake on that hypothetical

649
00:41:01,950 --> 00:41:05,880
scenario, is that would the
government say sorry, Dr. Loeb,

650
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,750
or sorry, UAPs, or sorry, Nigma
labs or sorry, radiants

651
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:15,150
technologies. You can't talk
about this. We have to classify

652
00:41:15,150 --> 00:41:18,030
it and your security oath takes
over your security clearance

653
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:21,180
applies here. And that's what
I'm concerned about as we're

654
00:41:21,180 --> 00:41:26,340
doing full circle, right back to
where we started decades ago.

655
00:41:26,670 --> 00:41:31,230
And that is secrecy. We see it
with the US government. But now

656
00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:34,980
they're pulling in industry
partners, and appropriately

657
00:41:34,980 --> 00:41:40,170
cleared academic institutions.
Who exactly is that I'll let you

658
00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:40,920
guys decide.

659
00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:44,370
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: In the
event, sufficient scientific

660
00:41:44,370 --> 00:41:48,450
data wherever obtained, that a
UAP encountered can only be

661
00:41:48,450 --> 00:41:51,750
explained by extraterrestrial
origin. We are committed to

662
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:54,750
working with our interagency
partners at NASA, to

663
00:41:54,750 --> 00:41:57,420
appropriately inform us
government's leadership of its

664
00:41:57,420 --> 00:42:01,530
findings. For those few cases
that have leaked to the public

665
00:42:01,530 --> 00:42:04,350
previously, and subsequently
commented on by the US

666
00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:07,680
government, I encourage those
who hold alternative theories or

667
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,890
views as submit your research to
credible peer reviewed

668
00:42:10,890 --> 00:42:14,160
scientific journals. Arrow is
working very hard to do the

669
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,750
same. That is how science works,
not by blog or social media,

670
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,810
John Greenewald: not by blog, or
social media. The first call is

671
00:42:24,810 --> 00:42:29,880
NASA that in interested me more
than all else. So if arrow finds

672
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,640
anything that's even remotely
close to or confirmed as

673
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,970
extraterrestrial, they pick up
the phone they call NASA. NASA

674
00:42:35,970 --> 00:42:38,850
then in turn informs all the
government heads and agencies.

675
00:42:39,540 --> 00:42:42,900
Where's the general public? Now?
Maybe that's just you know, I'm

676
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:45,840
reading into that too much. But
nowhere did he say the public

677
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,440
had any right to know any of
that information. But rather, he

678
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:54,000
laid the groundwork to inform
NASA, which I'm kind of

679
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,840
surprised that that arrow being
part of the Department of

680
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,580
Defense would essentially call
NASA first. So that part didn't

681
00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:05,820
make sense to me. And maybe I'm
just misreading this. So you

682
00:43:05,820 --> 00:43:10,680
know, if I am, I'll apologize in
advance. But I took aero gets

683
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,320
that evidence, they pick up the
phone, they call NASA, NASA

684
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,380
picks up the phone, they call
all the agency heads and, and

685
00:43:16,380 --> 00:43:20,040
government agencies, but nowhere
in there was the general public

686
00:43:20,250 --> 00:43:23,280
and any type of effort to
transparency.

687
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:26,520
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: But one of
the things that arrow does is

688
00:43:27,090 --> 00:43:33,570
high integrity analysis. As I've
said, This chart represents the

689
00:43:33,570 --> 00:43:40,890
trend analysis of all the cases
in arrows holdings right to

690
00:43:40,890 --> 00:43:47,010
date. What you'll see on the
left is a histogram of all of

691
00:43:47,010 --> 00:43:53,100
our reported sightings as a
function of altitude. So most of

692
00:43:53,100 --> 00:44:00,150
our sightings occur in the 15 to
25,000 foot range. And that is

693
00:44:00,150 --> 00:44:04,650
ultimately because that's where
a lot of our aircraft are. On

694
00:44:04,650 --> 00:44:08,850
the far right upper corner,
you'll see a breakout of the

695
00:44:08,850 --> 00:44:13,770
morphologies of all of the UAP
that are reported. Over half

696
00:44:13,830 --> 00:44:19,230
about 52% of what's been
reported to us are round, or

697
00:44:19,380 --> 00:44:24,510
spheres. The rest of those break
out into all kinds of different

698
00:44:24,510 --> 00:44:30,600
other shapes. The gray box is
essentially there is no data on

699
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,410
what its shape is either it
wasn't reported or the sensor

700
00:44:34,410 --> 00:44:39,660
did not collect it. The bottom
map is a heat map of all

701
00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:43,620
reporting areas across the globe
that we have available to us.

702
00:44:44,970 --> 00:44:49,020
What you'll notice is that there
is a heavy what we call

703
00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:54,000
collection bias both in altitude
and in geographic location.

704
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:58,680
That's where all of our sensors
exist. That's where our training

705
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,530
ranges are. That's where our
operational ranges are that's

706
00:45:01,530 --> 00:45:07,260
where all of our platforms are.
In the middle, what we have done

707
00:45:07,260 --> 00:45:13,290
is reduce the most typically
reported UAV characteristics to

708
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:19,080
these fields, mostly round
mostly one to four meters, white

709
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:24,990
silver, translucent metallic
10,000 30,000 feet. With

710
00:45:24,990 --> 00:45:29,460
apparent velocities from
stationary to Mach two, no

711
00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:33,240
thermal exhausts usually
detected, we get intermittent

712
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:38,130
radar returns, we get
intermittent radio returns, and

713
00:45:38,130 --> 00:45:41,670
we get intermittent thermal
signatures. That's what we're

714
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:44,700
looking for. And trying to
understand what that is.

715
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,170
John Greenewald: That's what
they're looking for. That's what

716
00:45:49,170 --> 00:45:51,990
they're trying to understand. So
I'll let most of that speak for

717
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:54,840
itself. But the one thing that I
will point out is this graph

718
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,440
here, which are the shapes. For
those of you who have watched

719
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,220
this channel or watch my work
when I got that classified UAP

720
00:46:02,220 --> 00:46:05,970
report from 2021 finally
released, one of the biggest

721
00:46:05,970 --> 00:46:09,450
things that stuck out not only
to me, but I think everyone was

722
00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:12,330
the fact that they wouldn't even
tell us the shapes or the common

723
00:46:12,330 --> 00:46:16,650
shapes of UAP. It was all
blacked out. Now, I appealed

724
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:20,820
that that appeal is still open.
But I specifically targeted that

725
00:46:20,820 --> 00:46:27,150
section in my appeal, as a
ridiculous redaction. I found a

726
00:46:27,150 --> 00:46:31,260
much more legal sound way to put
it but fought that specifically

727
00:46:31,260 --> 00:46:34,350
amongst all the other
redactions. But that one, again,

728
00:46:34,350 --> 00:46:38,010
was kind of the most, I would
say, controversial one and the

729
00:46:38,010 --> 00:46:41,850
most frustrating one for not
only myself, but for everybody.

730
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,780
And now we have a pie chart
breakdown of all the different

731
00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:48,720
shapes that they're collecting.
A couple ways to look at it,

732
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,260
we've now gotten to a point
where they have declassified,

733
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:56,070
the shapes why it was classified
in the first place, I'm not sure

734
00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:59,970
the UAP security classification
guide may potentially play a

735
00:46:59,970 --> 00:47:04,530
role in that, since all of that
is primarily redacted. It's kind

736
00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:08,670
of hard to tell. But they may
have decided to declassified

737
00:47:08,670 --> 00:47:12,150
that aspect of UAP. Because
remember, security

738
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:15,360
classification guides can morph
over time. That's why they have

739
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,620
different versions. That's why
they published newer, again,

740
00:47:19,650 --> 00:47:24,210
versions of of these types of
guides and so on. So I think

741
00:47:24,210 --> 00:47:27,900
that that's an explanation.
They're going back to my appeal,

742
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:30,720
what will happen? Well, I'm
hoping at this point, they will

743
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:35,160
declassify that part. So we will
be able to see some of the

744
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:40,170
information. Will that happen?
Who knows? Did that appeal and

745
00:47:40,170 --> 00:47:43,920
argument that's happening
through FOIA? And yes, those are

746
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,820
legal challenges. It's not like
we write emails and go for

747
00:47:47,820 --> 00:47:51,450
information, because a lot of
people I think, minimize the

748
00:47:51,450 --> 00:47:54,600
importance of FOIA or the power
of FOIA, because they don't

749
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,910
truly understand FOIA. Those
arguments are legally sound. So

750
00:47:59,910 --> 00:48:04,110
when you have certain decisions
made through FOIA, things are

751
00:48:04,110 --> 00:48:07,710
altered. In some cases, things
are declassified in other cases.

752
00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:11,490
So and I've got lots of of
examples to show that. But

753
00:48:11,490 --> 00:48:13,500
that's essentially the power of
the FOIA. And that will

754
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:18,660
sometimes dictate what public
affairs offices can say, or what

755
00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:22,200
those experts say in an open
hearing, such as this. So how

756
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,990
all that plays out, I'm not
really sure, but it was pretty

757
00:48:24,990 --> 00:48:28,080
exciting to see because I think
that once my appeal is finally

758
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,610
done, somewhere in the year
2092, then we'll be able to go

759
00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:36,210
ahead and get a glimpse of what
it was like in 2021.

760
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,120
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: So I'm
going to walk you through two

761
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:44,790
cases that we've declassified
recently. This first one is an

762
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:49,620
MQ nine in the Middle East,
observing that blow up which is

763
00:48:49,620 --> 00:48:54,270
an apparent spherical object, VO
e o centers, those are not IR

764
00:48:55,650 --> 00:48:58,680
you'll see it come through the
top of the screen, there it

765
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:04,080
goes. And then the camera will
slew to follow it. You'll see it

766
00:49:04,110 --> 00:49:08,190
pop in and out of the screen
field of view there. This is

767
00:49:08,190 --> 00:49:11,490
essentially all of the data we
have associated with this event

768
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:12,540
from some years ago.

769
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:18,060
John Greenewald: So why did it
stop there? I published the

770
00:49:18,090 --> 00:49:20,700
entire video released by the
Department of Defense it pretty

771
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:23,400
much echoes this or maybe some
more frames I didn't clock and

772
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,570
it wasn't important. But why
there clearly the MQ nine was

773
00:49:27,570 --> 00:49:30,450
tracking this object whatever it
was, call it a balloon call it

774
00:49:30,450 --> 00:49:33,540
an alien spacecraft for all I
care. It was tracking it. So

775
00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:37,020
where's the rest? And that has
been a question that has been

776
00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:40,980
asked on a lot of these UAP
related imageries that have been

777
00:49:40,980 --> 00:49:46,440
released. Why is that it? And
when you look at going backwards

778
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,630
when you look at some of the
other clips, same deal, just

779
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:52,620
kind of like stop abruptly.
Well, going back to the FLIR,

780
00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:56,370
the gimbal and the go fast. They
claim meaning the US Navy that's

781
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,000
it frame for frame. That's all
they got. Well, now they're

782
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,860
There's more of a structured way
to collect UAP related evidence.

783
00:50:05,370 --> 00:50:09,270
So why does this one stop? Or
did it is arrow showing us

784
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:12,900
everything? To reiterate the
point, this is truly a

785
00:50:12,930 --> 00:50:16,830
unidentified object. Now the
general public was pretty much

786
00:50:16,830 --> 00:50:19,800
led to believe that all this is
all the data we have. And that's

787
00:50:19,830 --> 00:50:23,370
it. Well, I guarantee that's not
all the data you have, because I

788
00:50:23,370 --> 00:50:27,750
bet you that video is longer.
And if it's not, I'd love to

789
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:31,890
know why I hope somebody who
gets to ask further questions

790
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:37,950
asks that specific one. Why did
this particular video and or is

791
00:50:37,950 --> 00:50:41,340
what happened after these frames
here. And this object was

792
00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:45,210
captured and tracked is that
classified. And I hope that

793
00:50:45,210 --> 00:50:46,530
somebody asks that

794
00:50:47,220 --> 00:50:51,180
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: this
particular event, South Asia, MQ

795
00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:55,680
nine, looking at another MQ
nine, and what's highlighted

796
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,920
there in that red circle is an
object that flies through the

797
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:04,440
screen. Unlike the previous one,
this one actually shows some

798
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,440
really interesting things that
everyone thought was truly

799
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,460
anomalous to start with. First
of all, it's a high speed object

800
00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:15,990
that's flying in the field of
regard of to MQ nines. Second

801
00:51:16,050 --> 00:51:21,840
appears to have this trail
behind it. Alright, which, at

802
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,660
first blush, you would think
that looks like a propulsion

803
00:51:24,660 --> 00:51:31,140
trail. In reality, if you want
to play, the first slide will

804
00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:34,830
show you what that looks like in
real time, first video. So we're

805
00:51:34,830 --> 00:51:39,420
looking at that there it goes.
Once you play it again, and then

806
00:51:39,420 --> 00:51:44,790
pause it halfway through, right
there. Alright, if you might be

807
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:49,350
able to see that trail there
behind it. That's actually not a

808
00:51:49,350 --> 00:51:55,110
real trail that is a sensor
artifact. Each one of those

809
00:51:55,110 --> 00:51:58,620
little blobs is actually a
representation of the object as

810
00:51:58,620 --> 00:52:04,440
it's moving through. And later
in the video as the as the

811
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:08,970
camera slews, that trail
actually follows the direction

812
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:15,030
of the camera, not the direction
of the object. We pulled these

813
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:18,390
apart frame by frame, we were
able to demonstrate that that is

814
00:52:18,420 --> 00:52:22,530
essentially a readout. overlap
of the image it's a it's a

815
00:52:22,530 --> 00:52:26,880
shadow image, right? It's not
real. Further, if you later

816
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,830
follow this all the way to end,
it starts to resolve itself into

817
00:52:31,830 --> 00:52:36,180
that blob that's in that picture
in the top, right. And if you

818
00:52:36,180 --> 00:52:38,880
squint, it looks like an
aircraft because it actually

819
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,320
turns out to be an aircraft go

820
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,450
John Greenewald: ahead and gotta
squint remember to squint.

821
00:52:44,010 --> 00:52:46,380
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: So you'll
see the tail sort of pop out

822
00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:49,890
there. And so what you're
looking at is this is in the

823
00:52:49,890 --> 00:52:54,210
infrared. This is the heat
signature off of the engines of

824
00:52:54,210 --> 00:52:56,550
a commuter aircraft that
happened to be flying in the

825
00:52:56,550 --> 00:52:59,040
vicinity of where those two MQ
nines were at.

826
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:08,850
John Greenewald: When you look
at those videos, and you compare

827
00:53:08,850 --> 00:53:13,890
them to the most recent UAP
leaks, namely the Baghdad

828
00:53:13,890 --> 00:53:20,130
Phantom, and the most muzzle orb
Mozu Orebro sphere arm, I forget

829
00:53:20,130 --> 00:53:24,810
which one he always chooses. But
the Mozilla one. When you look

830
00:53:24,810 --> 00:53:27,090
at those, it's pretty much
exactly what we're looking at

831
00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:30,000
here. But they're just different
videos from different incidents.

832
00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:32,490
I don't know if there's a
connection there. But it's an

833
00:53:32,490 --> 00:53:37,080
interesting, I would say point
to point out, because when it

834
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,990
comes to this one that we're
looking at the explained one,

835
00:53:41,250 --> 00:53:45,510
the Phantom objects that we'll
call them, like the Baghdad

836
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:49,110
Phantom, I had did a post on
social media, because everybody

837
00:53:49,110 --> 00:53:52,320
was saying that was an exhaust
plume, or a lot of people, not

838
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,130
everybody, but an exhaust plume.
And I had recognized that the

839
00:53:56,130 --> 00:53:58,980
pixel length was almost
identical. It was like a ghost

840
00:53:58,980 --> 00:54:01,380
image, whether or not that
played a role in calling it the

841
00:54:01,380 --> 00:54:04,920
Baghdad Phantom, I have no idea.
But regardless, what I did was I

842
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,920
just layered every frame on top
of each other, or excuse me,

843
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,220
layered every frame but showed
that the actual object and the

844
00:54:11,220 --> 00:54:15,840
frame, when put on the ghost
like image was exactly the same

845
00:54:15,870 --> 00:54:19,830
length. So it was like repeating
data in each particular frame as

846
00:54:19,830 --> 00:54:23,160
it streaked across with the
human eye, you put all that

847
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,550
together kind of looks like a
trail of some kind or propulsion

848
00:54:26,550 --> 00:54:30,360
system. But it actually isn't.
So it was interesting to see

849
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,290
this explanation, because now
here he is pulling in an

850
00:54:34,290 --> 00:54:37,980
identical characteristic to what
leaked out. But this is not the

851
00:54:37,980 --> 00:54:40,920
leak. This is not the Baghdad
Phantom. Same with the one

852
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:46,350
that's unidentified, and I'm not
sure what, if any strategy there

853
00:54:46,350 --> 00:54:50,820
would be to do that. But
obviously from that pie chart,

854
00:54:50,820 --> 00:54:53,250
there was a lot of different
objects that they've seen shape

855
00:54:53,250 --> 00:54:56,910
wise. So what are the odds that
he just chose another sphere

856
00:54:57,210 --> 00:54:59,790
could just be by chance could be
that that's the majority of what

857
00:54:59,790 --> 00:55:03,060
they have. Add or could
declassify who knows. But it was

858
00:55:03,060 --> 00:55:06,300
pretty close to the Missoula one
that Jeremy Korbel had put out.

859
00:55:06,750 --> 00:55:11,130
And for those who do think it's
the same, it is not. Jeremy also

860
00:55:11,130 --> 00:55:13,740
had posted on social media
because he was being asked that

861
00:55:13,890 --> 00:55:18,210
it is not the same. So that
being said, we've got two

862
00:55:18,300 --> 00:55:21,540
different videos nearly
identical to the leaks, one

863
00:55:21,540 --> 00:55:26,070
explained one not coincidence.
Who knows just one of those

864
00:55:26,070 --> 00:55:26,820
weird things?

865
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,970
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: How are we
going to get more data? We are

866
00:55:29,970 --> 00:55:33,630
working with the joint staff to
issue guidance to all the

867
00:55:33,630 --> 00:55:37,590
services and commands that will
then establish what are the

868
00:55:37,590 --> 00:55:40,740
reporting requirements, the
timeliness, and all of the data

869
00:55:40,740 --> 00:55:45,480
that is required to be delivered
to us and retained from all the

870
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,140
associated sensors. That
historically hasn't been the

871
00:55:49,140 --> 00:55:52,230
case. And it's been happenstance
that data has been collected,

872
00:55:53,610 --> 00:55:56,940
John Greenewald: happenstance
that data was collected. What's

873
00:55:56,940 --> 00:55:59,520
interesting is remember that
slide before that I showed you

874
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,780
guys back from 1955? They were
saying the exact same thing

875
00:56:03,780 --> 00:56:06,270
about fine tuning or data
collection this that and the

876
00:56:06,270 --> 00:56:09,450
other thing, have they not
learned anything from 1955

877
00:56:09,450 --> 00:56:14,610
Especially with all these other
UFO programs and efforts to

878
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,300
research UAP? I'll ask the
question, then what have they

879
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:21,240
been doing? Here's a list of
them the advanced aerospace

880
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:23,910
weapon system application
program, or you hear me say all

881
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:28,230
sap that was, again,
controversial 2008 But we'll

882
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:33,390
call it 2007 based on reporting
to 2012 more likely again, 2008

883
00:56:34,170 --> 00:56:37,500
the advanced aerospace threat
Identification Program, some say

884
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:43,860
2007 Some say 2008 Some say it's
not a program at all. That's a

885
00:56:43,860 --> 00:56:47,130
whole different video in itself.
But regardless, that lasted till

886
00:56:47,130 --> 00:56:52,050
about 2012. But wait, Louise
Elizondo claimed 2017 Hoda

887
00:56:52,050 --> 00:56:55,530
believe I'll let you guys
decide. But we're talking about

888
00:56:55,530 --> 00:57:00,900
a UAP program, according to Luis
Elizondo, and so on. So what

889
00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:07,260
were they doing the UAP Task
Force? I put 2017 as a question

890
00:57:07,260 --> 00:57:10,080
mark, because there was, it
wasn't the task force per se,

891
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,840
but there was some kind of
unofficial effort. The Pentagon

892
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,170
has spoken to this before. So
whether or not that had a name,

893
00:57:16,170 --> 00:57:18,930
or they were calling it a task
force or whatever, there was

894
00:57:18,930 --> 00:57:21,720
clearly something going on
around that timeframe,

895
00:57:21,870 --> 00:57:27,300
officially established August
14 2220 21, the airborne object

896
00:57:27,300 --> 00:57:30,090
identification and management
synchronization group, or AOA,

897
00:57:30,090 --> 00:57:34,830
MSG, that was 2021 to 22. Then
we got the all domain anomaly

898
00:57:34,830 --> 00:57:37,500
resolution office or arrow.
That's what Dr. Shawn

899
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:41,790
Kirkpatrick has heads right now.
That's 2022 to present, look at

900
00:57:41,790 --> 00:57:45,180
all those years, and all those
program efforts and all of those

901
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,830
claims from past individuals.
What were they doing? Did they

902
00:57:49,830 --> 00:57:54,330
not have any type of official
anything to make sense of all of

903
00:57:54,330 --> 00:57:57,120
this over the years? Let's just
settle on the fact they were

904
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,110
doing this in their free time.
And it was 5% of what they did.

905
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,710
Okay, let's let's just say we
believe everybody at their word,

906
00:58:05,070 --> 00:58:07,380
but it was a minor part of their
work in the government. All of

907
00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:11,310
that's fine. But still over all
that time, we don't have any

908
00:58:11,310 --> 00:58:14,970
structured program. And that's
what bothers me about this is

909
00:58:14,970 --> 00:58:20,130
that that doesn't make sense. It
just doesn't. Nothing makes

910
00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:23,430
sense about this timeline. And
all of these efforts when put on

911
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:28,200
a timeline, and the claims that
people have said, nothing. Now,

912
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,960
that doesn't mean they're lying,
or Kirkpatrick is lying, or they

913
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,380
all could be lying for all I
know. But regardless, it just

914
00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:38,430
doesn't make sense. efforts can
be fine tuned efforts can be

915
00:58:38,430 --> 00:58:43,260
misdirected. You can have change
of direction, that's fine. But

916
00:58:43,260 --> 00:58:48,180
these are basic things that go
back to 1955, at least, and

917
00:58:48,180 --> 00:58:51,930
they're saying the exact same
thing. Doesn't anybody else

918
00:58:51,930 --> 00:58:55,170
think that that's just bizarre?
It doesn't make any sense to me

919
00:58:55,170 --> 00:58:59,010
yet. That's the reality of
what's put in front of us. Now,

920
00:58:59,010 --> 00:59:01,260
there's a lot of other things
too, that if you pay attention

921
00:59:01,260 --> 00:59:03,990
and put it on the timeline
doesn't make sense. This was an

922
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:07,620
article I wrote in 2019. And I
first want to give a shout out

923
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,480
and credit to Brian Bender than
at politico magazine, who had

924
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:19,020
reported on a UFO Reporting
guideline that was was issued by

925
00:59:19,020 --> 00:59:23,010
the US Navy. And then he
reported around the 2019

926
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:27,630
timeframe, maybe 2018, that that
guideline was being kind of

927
00:59:27,630 --> 00:59:32,190
updated and re issued. It was
currently and it was at that

928
00:59:32,190 --> 00:59:37,110
time in draft form. I went after
it and found out it went from

929
00:59:37,110 --> 00:59:41,700
draft to issued. So again, this
is a quick note for FOIA people

930
00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:45,450
draft documents are incredibly
hard to get through FOIA. It's

931
00:59:45,450 --> 00:59:49,230
not impossible, but they hide
behind FOIA exemption be five a

932
00:59:49,230 --> 00:59:53,070
lot. So the minute I got in
writing a statement that it was

933
00:59:53,070 --> 00:59:57,750
no longer draft. I went and
filed a case for it. And it was

934
00:59:57,750 --> 01:00:04,020
100% classified So again, I
wrote that story in 2019. But

935
01:00:04,020 --> 01:00:06,870
what are these guidelines? What
did that stipulate? Were the

936
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:10,380
guidelines on how to collect the
data report the data? If not,

937
01:00:10,380 --> 01:00:13,410
why not? Because this was around
the timeframe when it was

938
01:00:13,410 --> 01:00:20,280
reissued. And again, that 2019
timeframe, you go backwards to

939
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:25,410
this slide. You're in the middle
of the unofficial effort that

940
01:00:25,410 --> 01:00:29,640
led into the UAP task force
around this time. So obviously,

941
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,300
there was an effort that we can
that we can kind of fall back on

942
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:36,780
here, when arrow takes over,
that they could look at and pull

943
01:00:36,780 --> 01:00:40,110
information from pull
guidelines, pull structure, pull

944
01:00:40,110 --> 01:00:44,430
procedure pull, protocol pull
something that US taxpayers,

945
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,750
paid for, but nothing. It's like
they're starting fresh. Now

946
01:00:48,750 --> 01:00:53,670
maybe that was needed, who
knows? And if so, why? Why after

947
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:58,290
all these years of investigating
through all SAP and a tip and

948
01:00:58,290 --> 01:01:02,790
UAP, TF all getting money and
having certain individuals

949
01:01:02,790 --> 01:01:05,400
heading those programs that we
have nothing that we could give

950
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,220
the arrow and go, Okay, here's
the head start. We spent X

951
01:01:08,220 --> 01:01:12,900
amount of millions of dollars,
here you go, nothing. One of my

952
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:17,220
favorite stories and in my
history of looking into UFOs is

953
01:01:17,220 --> 01:01:21,240
the story of the airforce manual
instruction. 10 Dash 206. You

954
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:25,110
can see this one was in 2008. So
we're going back and this was

955
01:01:25,110 --> 01:01:28,830
one of the latter versions. I
found this back in about 1999 to

956
01:01:28,830 --> 01:01:34,410
2000. I think it was and watched
it be revised from about 2002.

957
01:01:34,410 --> 01:01:39,240
Again 2008. And chapter five was
talking about the survey's

958
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:45,450
reports, and how they reported
unidentified flying objects or

959
01:01:45,450 --> 01:01:52,380
UFOs. This was essentially a
mandated instruction. Not

960
01:01:52,380 --> 01:01:55,170
essentially it was a mandated
instruction that all US Air

961
01:01:55,170 --> 01:01:58,860
Force pilots were to follow all
of those UFO reports went to

962
01:01:58,860 --> 01:02:02,580
NORAD. So this essentially
predated all SAP eight tip UAP,

963
01:02:02,580 --> 01:02:08,970
TF aero AOA, MSG, whatever the
acronym predated all of that. So

964
01:02:08,970 --> 01:02:11,850
what happened to all of this
policy procedure and all of the

965
01:02:11,850 --> 01:02:15,780
service reports that went to
NORAD. Now NORAD, by the way, is

966
01:02:15,780 --> 01:02:18,090
not subject to the Freedom of
Information Act. So I can't

967
01:02:18,090 --> 01:02:20,970
touch what was made under this.
But are you telling me

968
01:02:20,970 --> 01:02:23,520
throughout everything that they
got through this, there was

969
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,390
nothing that they could use for
Arrow? None of that makes sense.

970
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:32,310
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: Now, the
report in January basically said

971
01:02:32,340 --> 01:02:36,420
about half of the ones at that
time, about 150 were balloon

972
01:02:36,450 --> 01:02:39,600
were likely balloon like or
something like that. That

973
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,110
doesn't mean they're resolved.
Oh, I see. So what let me when

974
01:02:43,110 --> 01:02:46,650
we walk everyone through what
our analytic process looks like,

975
01:02:48,030 --> 01:02:52,830
we have essentially a five step
process, right? So we have we

976
01:02:52,830 --> 01:02:57,720
get our cases and with all the
data, we create a case for that

977
01:02:58,470 --> 01:03:03,870
event. My team does a
preliminary scrub of all of

978
01:03:03,870 --> 01:03:08,190
those cases, as they come in
just to sort out, do we have any

979
01:03:08,190 --> 01:03:12,630
information that says this is in
one of those likely categories?

980
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:15,990
It's likely a balloon, it's
likely a balloon? Bird, it's

981
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:24,420
likely some other object? Or we
don't know. Then we prioritize

982
01:03:24,420 --> 01:03:28,380
those based off of where they
are? Are they attached to a

983
01:03:28,380 --> 01:03:32,760
national security area? Does it
show some anomalous

984
01:03:33,570 --> 01:03:37,320
phenomenology that is of
interest, if it's just if it's

985
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,770
just a spherical thing that's
floating around with the, with

986
01:03:40,770 --> 01:03:44,310
the wind and it has no payload
on it, that's going to be less

987
01:03:44,310 --> 01:03:47,010
important than something that
has a payload on it, which will

988
01:03:47,010 --> 01:03:50,580
be less important than something
that's maneuvering. Right. So

989
01:03:50,580 --> 01:03:53,400
there's, there's sort of a
hierarchy of just binning the

990
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:58,980
priorities because we can't do
all of them at once. Once we do

991
01:03:58,980 --> 01:04:01,650
that, and we prioritize them
when we take that package of

992
01:04:01,650 --> 01:04:06,120
data in that case, and I have
set up two teams, think of this

993
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:10,260
as a Red Team Blue Team or
competitive analysis. I have an

994
01:04:10,260 --> 01:04:14,580
intelligence community team made
up of intelligence analysts. And

995
01:04:14,580 --> 01:04:18,420
I have an s&t team made up of
scientists and engineers, and

996
01:04:18,420 --> 01:04:20,850
the people that actually build a
lot of these sensors are

997
01:04:20,850 --> 01:04:23,820
physicists, because you know, if
you're a physicist, you can do

998
01:04:23,820 --> 01:04:30,030
anything, right. And, but
they're not associated with the

999
01:04:30,090 --> 01:04:34,050
intel community. There. They're
not Intel officers. So they they

1000
01:04:34,050 --> 01:04:37,620
look at this through the lens of
the sensor of that what the data

1001
01:04:37,620 --> 01:04:41,970
says we give that package to
both teams. The intelligence

1002
01:04:41,970 --> 01:04:43,920
community is going to look at it
through the lens of the

1003
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,670
intelligence record and what
they assess, and their intel

1004
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:51,120
tradecraft, which they have very
specific rules and regulations

1005
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,780
on how they do that. scientific
community technical community is

1006
01:04:54,780 --> 01:04:57,540
going to look at it through the
lens of what is the data telling

1007
01:04:57,540 --> 01:05:01,560
me what is the sensor doing?
What would I expect a sensor

1008
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:06,630
response to be? And back that
out? Those two groups give us

1009
01:05:06,660 --> 01:05:12,870
their answers. We then
adjudicate. If they agree, then

1010
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:16,110
I am more likely to close that
case, if they agree on what it

1011
01:05:16,110 --> 01:05:20,340
is, if they disagree, we will
have an adjudication will bring

1012
01:05:20,340 --> 01:05:23,070
them together, we'll take a look
at the differences. What would

1013
01:05:23,070 --> 01:05:26,520
you dedicate What Why do you say
one thing and you say another,

1014
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:32,850
we will then come to a case
recommendation that will get

1015
01:05:32,850 --> 01:05:38,070
written up by my team. That then
goes to a Senior Technical

1016
01:05:38,070 --> 01:05:42,900
Advisory Group, which is outside
of all of those people, made up

1017
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:48,780
of senior technical folks and
Intel analysts and operators

1018
01:05:48,780 --> 01:05:55,170
from retired out of the
community. And they, they

1019
01:05:55,170 --> 01:05:59,640
essentially peer review what
that case recommendation is,

1020
01:06:00,750 --> 01:06:04,260
they write their recommendations
that comes back to me, I review

1021
01:06:04,260 --> 01:06:07,230
it, we make a determination, and
I'll sign off one way or the

1022
01:06:07,230 --> 01:06:13,050
other. And then that will go out
as the case determination. Once

1023
01:06:13,050 --> 01:06:17,400
we have an approved web portal
to hang the unclassified stuff,

1024
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:20,550
we will do, you know, we would
downgrade and declassify things

1025
01:06:20,550 --> 01:06:24,030
and put it out there. In the
meantime, we're putting a lot of

1026
01:06:24,030 --> 01:06:27,960
these on our classified web
portal, where we can then

1027
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,570
collaborate with the rest of the
community so they can see what's

1028
01:06:30,570 --> 01:06:30,930
going on.

1029
01:06:33,810 --> 01:06:35,760
John Greenewald: You know, I'm
going after a screenshot of that

1030
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:40,830
classified web portal, they have
plans on doing a public one.

1031
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:46,830
Cool. And you'll learn here, I
think I got the clip. Now, I'm

1032
01:06:46,830 --> 01:06:49,560
second guessing myself. But
you'll learn that they've have

1033
01:06:49,590 --> 01:06:53,010
tried to do a public one and
submitted drafts for that. But

1034
01:06:53,010 --> 01:06:55,770
again, that that stone wall is
for me through FOIA is going to

1035
01:06:55,770 --> 01:06:59,430
be the draft part of it. But he
just confirmed as a classified

1036
01:06:59,430 --> 01:07:02,700
one. And a lot of times, as long
as there's no classified data

1037
01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:06,570
being shown within that portal,
you can actually get copies of

1038
01:07:06,570 --> 01:07:09,420
the portal itself. So I'm
actually going for that, as

1039
01:07:09,420 --> 01:07:13,560
well. It was a longer clip to
show a little bit tedious at

1040
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,050
times. But I think it's
important because to his credit,

1041
01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:20,670
he's at least got a structure,
he's at least trying to figure

1042
01:07:20,670 --> 01:07:24,630
out ways to solve these cases.
So I wanted to put that clip in

1043
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:28,440
there as credit to him, that
there is this process that seems

1044
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:32,490
I'm not a scientist, but seems
very scientifically structured,

1045
01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:36,450
with a lot of minds involved,
although he didn't say this

1046
01:07:36,450 --> 01:07:41,880
specifically. But when you have
one mind involved, investigating

1047
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,990
a case, you may have a bias
within it. But what he has set

1048
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:49,530
up is this team A versus Team B
B scenario, where you

1049
01:07:49,530 --> 01:07:53,640
potentially have the inability
to be biased, where you have two

1050
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,190
different backgrounds, if they
agree, then you know, you're on

1051
01:07:56,190 --> 01:07:58,800
the right track, if they
disagree, they collectively come

1052
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,700
together and talk it out. That
That seems pretty structured to

1053
01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:05,310
me. So to his credit, I think
that that was very much worth

1054
01:08:05,310 --> 01:08:05,940
pointing out.

1055
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,420
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: So of
those over 650. You know, we've

1056
01:08:09,420 --> 01:08:18,330
prioritized about half of them
to be of of anomalous,

1057
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:22,350
interesting value. And now we
have to go through those and go,

1058
01:08:22,350 --> 01:08:26,430
How much do I have actual data
for? Because if I all I have is,

1059
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:33,030
is a operator report that says I
saw X, Y or Z, my assessment is

1060
01:08:33,150 --> 01:08:36,870
A, B or C, that's not really
sufficient. That's a good place

1061
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:41,130
to start. But I have to have
data, I have to have radar data,

1062
01:08:41,130 --> 01:08:43,860
I have to have EU data, I have
to have thermal data, I have to

1063
01:08:43,860 --> 01:08:46,980
have overhead data. And we need
to look at all that.

1064
01:08:49,020 --> 01:08:51,450
John Greenewald: Yes, you do. So
hopefully he's getting that. But

1065
01:08:51,450 --> 01:08:55,230
for me, the key part of this was
over half of them exhibited some

1066
01:08:55,230 --> 01:08:58,980
type of, you know, piqued
interest here for either him or

1067
01:08:58,980 --> 01:09:04,950
his team. That's still a sizable
number half of 650 is 325. My

1068
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:09,240
math correct. But you're talking
about a sizable number. I

1069
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:14,190
understand his essentially
concern about the lack of data

1070
01:09:14,190 --> 01:09:18,180
for some, but at least that
gives us some kind of indicator

1071
01:09:18,180 --> 01:09:19,950
on what is peeking his interest

1072
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:26,129
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: of the of
the cases that are showing, you

1073
01:09:26,129 --> 01:09:29,219
know, some sort of advanced
technical signature of which

1074
01:09:29,249 --> 01:09:33,119
we're talking single percentages
of the entire population of

1075
01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:42,149
cases we have. I am concerned
about what that nexus is, and I

1076
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:46,799
have indicators that some are
related to foreign capabilities.

1077
01:09:48,029 --> 01:09:53,339
We have to investigate that with
our IC partners. And as we get

1078
01:09:53,339 --> 01:09:56,849
evidence to support that, that
gets then handed off to the

1079
01:09:56,849 --> 01:10:02,459
appropriate ice agency to
investigate Again, it becomes an

1080
01:10:02,459 --> 01:10:03,779
SCP at that point.

1081
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:07,920
John Greenewald: There's that
SCP again. But this is again, a

1082
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,130
broad stroke note, why wasn't
this kind of stuff set up

1083
01:10:11,130 --> 01:10:13,680
already, I saw the news
headlines that their

1084
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,590
instrumentation wasn't
calibrated for certain types of

1085
01:10:16,590 --> 01:10:20,520
objects, which is why they
missed those balloons. But come

1086
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:24,510
on, you're telling me that all
the NRO satellites, all of the

1087
01:10:24,510 --> 01:10:28,800
NASA instrumentation all of nor
adds capabilities, they weren't

1088
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:33,870
seeing unknown objects, whatever
that unknown is, and there

1089
01:10:33,870 --> 01:10:37,650
wasn't a procedure to make it
somebody else's problem or make

1090
01:10:37,650 --> 01:10:42,000
it their own problem. This is
kind of like concerning, if you

1091
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,330
really look into it. It doesn't
really make sense that all of a

1092
01:10:45,330 --> 01:10:49,860
sudden this and again, not to
demean Dr. Kirk Patrick's effort

1093
01:10:49,860 --> 01:10:54,090
here. But a very small effort at
this point, a very new effort is

1094
01:10:54,090 --> 01:10:57,510
trying to make sense of what
they consider unknown objects,

1095
01:10:57,510 --> 01:11:01,320
which very well may be earth
based, and unexplainable. But my

1096
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,530
whole point is, it's like he's
starting from scratch to figure

1097
01:11:04,530 --> 01:11:07,290
this all out and essentially
make it somebody else's problem.

1098
01:11:07,980 --> 01:11:10,500
No wonder they're saying it's a
huge national security risk,

1099
01:11:10,530 --> 01:11:13,350
because it is, that's ridiculous
that those types of things

1100
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:17,400
aren't worked out. He threw in
the single percentages again. So

1101
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:21,090
just to throw back to this
screen here, the unknown 9%

1102
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:24,810
Obviously echoes the exact same
conclusions that they were

1103
01:11:24,810 --> 01:11:29,940
seeing statistically, in 1955.
But somebody is dropping the

1104
01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:30,300
ball.

1105
01:11:31,470 --> 01:11:34,080
Kirsten Gillibrand: As you know,
Dr. Kirkpatrick, Congress has

1106
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,780
mandated that your office
establish a discoverable and

1107
01:11:36,780 --> 01:11:40,770
accessible electronic method for
potential witnesses of UAP

1108
01:11:40,770 --> 01:11:44,490
incidents and potential
participants in government UAP

1109
01:11:44,490 --> 01:11:46,860
related activities to contact
your office and tell their

1110
01:11:46,860 --> 01:11:51,930
stories. Congress also set up a
process whereby people subject

1111
01:11:51,930 --> 01:11:54,690
to non disclosure agreements
preventing them from disclosing

1112
01:11:54,690 --> 01:11:57,480
what they may have witnessed or
participated in could tell you

1113
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,030
what they know that risk of
retribution from the or

1114
01:12:00,030 --> 01:12:03,900
violation of their NDAs. Have
you submitted a public facing

1115
01:12:03,900 --> 01:12:06,750
website product for approval to
your superiors? And how long has

1116
01:12:06,750 --> 01:12:07,680
it been under review?

1117
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,940
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: I have we
submitted the first version of

1118
01:12:11,940 --> 01:12:13,650
that before Christmas?

1119
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,600
Kirsten Gillibrand: And do you
have an estimate from them when

1120
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,360
they will respond? Or when
you'll have feedback on that?

1121
01:12:21,930 --> 01:12:26,340
No, I don't. Okay, we will offer
a letter asking for that timely

1122
01:12:26,340 --> 01:12:27,030
response.

1123
01:12:27,570 --> 01:12:29,520
John Greenewald: He definitely
didn't seem happy about that.

1124
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:33,270
But before Christmas, he submits
that essential draft template

1125
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:38,220
for them in this public facing
website, and nothing is approved

1126
01:12:38,220 --> 01:12:42,060
here by late April of the next
year. I know the government

1127
01:12:42,060 --> 01:12:46,770
takes a lot of time. But if this
was a priority of any kind, it

1128
01:12:46,770 --> 01:12:49,950
would you would think become a
priority to just get it

1129
01:12:49,980 --> 01:12:53,700
approved. The Classified version
obviously already was. So why

1130
01:12:53,700 --> 01:12:55,260
not a public version?

1131
01:12:56,700 --> 01:13:00,810
Kirsten Gillibrand: Tears
appears? When When do you expect

1132
01:13:00,810 --> 01:13:05,730
that you will establish a public
facing discoverable and access

1133
01:13:05,730 --> 01:13:08,370
portal for people to use to
contact your office as the law

1134
01:13:08,370 --> 01:13:09,030
requires?

1135
01:13:10,710 --> 01:13:14,040
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: So I would
like to first say thank you all

1136
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:18,480
very much for referring the
witnesses that you have thus far

1137
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:22,680
to us. I appreciate that we've
brought in nearly two dozen. So

1138
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:26,400
far, it's been it's been very
helpful. I'd ask that you

1139
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:31,290
continue to do that until we
have an approved plan. We have a

1140
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,620
multi phased approach for doing
that, that we've been

1141
01:13:36,210 --> 01:13:42,990
socializing, I have submitted
for approval, some time. And

1142
01:13:42,990 --> 01:13:45,540
once that happens, then we
should be able to push all that

1143
01:13:45,540 --> 01:13:49,710
out and get get this a little
more automated. Great. What I

1144
01:13:49,710 --> 01:13:53,580
would ask though, is as you all
continue to refer to us and

1145
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,730
refer witnesses to us, I'd
appreciate if you do that.

1146
01:13:57,750 --> 01:14:00,660
Please try to prioritize the
ones that you want to do,

1147
01:14:00,660 --> 01:14:03,900
because we do have a small
research staff.

1148
01:14:06,420 --> 01:14:11,430
John Greenewald: So small
research staff. And they can't

1149
01:14:11,490 --> 01:14:16,080
obviously interview or do
everything that is put on their

1150
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,980
desk. So he's asking,
essentially the senators to

1151
01:14:20,670 --> 01:14:23,370
prioritize the witnesses that
they should interview. But I'm

1152
01:14:23,370 --> 01:14:27,630
curious who's going to the
senators. And I'm curious, after

1153
01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:30,120
they've gone to the net, now,
nearly two dozen. So you would

1154
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,960
think that the ones that are the
highest priority at this point,

1155
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,860
jello brand or whomever else
would have thrown them arrows

1156
01:14:37,860 --> 01:14:42,120
direction by now that none of
them were credible to support

1157
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:46,890
any of these more outlandish,
and I say outlandish. But and I

1158
01:14:46,890 --> 01:14:51,570
don't really mean it to sound as
disrespectful as that. But those

1159
01:14:51,570 --> 01:14:56,250
stories that we have seen being
alluded to and some claims

1160
01:14:56,250 --> 01:15:00,000
actually being made all of the
above. I would think that

1161
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,430
senators, if they're intrigued
enough to say arrow, you should

1162
01:15:02,430 --> 01:15:05,640
look at this Dr. Eric Davis guy
because he allegedly met with

1163
01:15:05,940 --> 01:15:09,120
Thomas Wilson. This was
submitted to the Congressional

1164
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,060
Record. So you know, tick tock,
let's let's get on it, you would

1165
01:15:12,060 --> 01:15:16,260
think that that would be done by
now, you would think that if, in

1166
01:15:16,260 --> 01:15:19,920
the first hearing, Jeremy cor
bells name came up, you would

1167
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,770
think that Bob Lazar would kind
of come along with that, because

1168
01:15:22,770 --> 01:15:26,400
not only did core Bell have the
leaks that were mentioned, even

1169
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,130
though Bob Lazar was not, you
know, somehow, if somebody is

1170
01:15:29,130 --> 01:15:31,920
talking to core Bell, and he
really thinks that Bob Lazar is

1171
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:35,280
telling the truth, that that's
gonna go across their desk, too.

1172
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,120
So with that be thrown arrows
direction. Again, some of that

1173
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,790
is just speculation and
assumptions. But I would think

1174
01:15:41,790 --> 01:15:44,760
so, because the senators aren't
going to do the research,

1175
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,820
they're going to hear the
stories by in some cases, what

1176
01:15:47,820 --> 01:15:51,570
they consider credit by credible
people, they think anyway, and

1177
01:15:51,570 --> 01:15:55,320
then it goes to arrow for
research. So does arrow have

1178
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:59,430
transcripts of any of those
guys? Who knows? But I'm going

1179
01:15:59,430 --> 01:15:59,910
for it.

1180
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,850
Kirsten Gillibrand: Do you have
any plans for public engagement

1181
01:16:02,850 --> 01:16:05,790
that you want to share now that
you think it's important that

1182
01:16:05,790 --> 01:16:07,470
the public knows what the plan
is?

1183
01:16:08,610 --> 01:16:13,740
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: So we have
a a number of public engagement

1184
01:16:14,340 --> 01:16:19,230
recommendations, according to
our strategic plan, all of those

1185
01:16:19,230 --> 01:16:21,930
have been submitted for
approval, they have to be

1186
01:16:21,930 --> 01:16:26,970
approved by USDA ins. We are
waiting for approval to go do

1187
01:16:26,970 --> 01:16:27,180
that.

1188
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:28,770
Kirsten Gillibrand: Okay, I will
follow up on that.

1189
01:16:30,750 --> 01:16:33,420
John Greenewald: So it seems
like he's waiting for a lot for

1190
01:16:33,420 --> 01:16:36,210
approvals, and so on and so
forth. So we'll see what the

1191
01:16:36,210 --> 01:16:40,140
senators do, namely Gillibrand,
who will write these letters by

1192
01:16:40,140 --> 01:16:43,470
the way, congressional
correspondence is FOIA double.

1193
01:16:43,500 --> 01:16:46,710
So I will be going for all of
the correspondence, obviously,

1194
01:16:46,710 --> 01:16:50,430
you don't file the day after,
gotta give her some time. She's

1195
01:16:50,460 --> 01:16:53,190
obviously got a lot on her
plate, but you give it some kind

1196
01:16:53,190 --> 01:16:56,970
of lead time for her to actually
write the letter, then go after

1197
01:16:56,970 --> 01:16:59,670
it. And I have done that in the
past. You can go for

1198
01:16:59,670 --> 01:17:02,820
congressional correspondence
logs, see what other senators

1199
01:17:02,820 --> 01:17:06,480
may have written letters in
regards to UAP to try and get

1200
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:11,730
the DOD to do XYZ, whatever that
might be. So obviously, all of

1201
01:17:11,730 --> 01:17:15,780
these things that are talked
about, become paper trails, or

1202
01:17:15,780 --> 01:17:19,470
future paper trails like this
one, that will hopefully be a

1203
01:17:19,470 --> 01:17:22,800
paper trail sooner rather than
later. There was a question here

1204
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,530
from the chat room for those
watching live. Black Dread

1205
01:17:25,530 --> 01:17:27,450
Scotland. Always good to see you
here. Thank you for that

1206
01:17:27,450 --> 01:17:30,900
support. Do you think that many
of the unknowns are US recon

1207
01:17:30,900 --> 01:17:34,830
platforms such as airships,
balloons, drones, and E, WC. And

1208
01:17:34,830 --> 01:17:37,800
the reason why they're unknown
is because they are classified

1209
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,040
US assets? I'm taking your
question that maybe Dr.

1210
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:44,610
Kirkpatrick doesn't have access
to everything that could very

1211
01:17:44,610 --> 01:17:48,930
well be true. But it really does
sound like what they're focusing

1212
01:17:48,930 --> 01:17:52,710
on when it comes to the unknowns
or things that they have

1213
01:17:52,710 --> 01:17:56,850
verified to essentially not be
our own. Again, that's a little

1214
01:17:56,850 --> 01:17:58,980
bit of speculation. So I'm not
saying that he said that

1215
01:17:58,980 --> 01:18:01,860
outright. But I'm kind of
leaning towards that, that I

1216
01:18:01,860 --> 01:18:05,190
would think that there's some
kind of filter before it's sent

1217
01:18:05,190 --> 01:18:07,980
for Arrow because I don't
envision arrow just searching

1218
01:18:08,340 --> 01:18:12,390
the entire catalog for the US
military infrastructure, looking

1219
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:16,020
for UAP. I would imagine that
when it comes to those

1220
01:18:16,020 --> 01:18:21,360
classified platforms that may be
connected to UAP. You know, that

1221
01:18:21,420 --> 01:18:23,850
they wouldn't cross his desk.
But if that plot platform is

1222
01:18:23,850 --> 01:18:26,550
seen by someone else who hasn't
read in, they're not clear to

1223
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:29,430
pilots seems to see something.
Sure. And that begs the

1224
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:33,780
question, Does Kirkpatrick have
access to everything? That's a

1225
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:38,520
purely speculative area of all
of this. So if I understood your

1226
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,400
right, I'm sorry, I don't have a
better answer from that, or for

1227
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:45,510
that, I should say, but sadly,
we just don't know, we have no

1228
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:50,430
idea what he does and does not
have access to. I would also

1229
01:18:50,430 --> 01:18:55,200
imagine, too, that they may
instruct him to, let's say, not

1230
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:59,730
release a certain video. And
again, this is also speculation,

1231
01:18:59,730 --> 01:19:04,770
but let's say his office says
this particular video is

1232
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,280
unidentified. So they're going
to declassify it release it as

1233
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:11,790
an example, like they have in
the past. But it turns out that

1234
01:19:11,790 --> 01:19:16,230
it's some classified platform
from some other military branch

1235
01:19:16,260 --> 01:19:20,220
or so on. I would think before
he got approval to release that

1236
01:19:20,220 --> 01:19:24,840
material, they would shut that
down, because he obviously has a

1237
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,260
clearance himself. So they may
read him in and go, that's not

1238
01:19:28,260 --> 01:19:30,360
something we're letting out in
the open, the approval wouldn't

1239
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:34,590
go in. And then it may even just
disappear in his databases and

1240
01:19:34,590 --> 01:19:37,710
books. I think that that's a
possibility too. So then it's

1241
01:19:37,710 --> 01:19:42,270
not even a consideration for
Arrow. So a lot of speculation

1242
01:19:42,270 --> 01:19:44,910
there. Don't get me wrong. I
don't know the right answer,

1243
01:19:45,300 --> 01:19:48,240
because obviously, we're getting
into a classified territory. But

1244
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:51,690
what my impression was from what
he said that we're not dealing

1245
01:19:51,690 --> 01:19:55,620
with the classified US assets
that he's deeming as

1246
01:19:55,620 --> 01:19:56,520
unidentified

1247
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,740
Kirsten Gillibrand: And then my
last question is about the

1248
01:20:04,740 --> 01:20:07,980
integration of departments UAP
operations research, analysis

1249
01:20:07,980 --> 01:20:13,350
and strategic communications.
During the recent UAP incidents

1250
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:16,080
over North America, it didn't
appear that you were allowed to

1251
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,560
play that role. Do you agree
that the public perception is

1252
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,900
generally that you and your
office did not appear to play a

1253
01:20:21,900 --> 01:20:24,090
major role in the department's
response to the detection of

1254
01:20:24,090 --> 01:20:28,590
objects over North America? What
can you tell us? That's going on

1255
01:20:28,590 --> 01:20:32,340
behind the scenes from your
perspective? Div. And in the

1256
01:20:32,340 --> 01:20:35,850
after action assessment process?
Is there awareness that there is

1257
01:20:35,850 --> 01:20:38,430
a need to operate differently
the future and a commitment to

1258
01:20:38,430 --> 01:20:39,060
doing so

1259
01:20:40,710 --> 01:20:42,900
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: when the
when the objects were first

1260
01:20:42,900 --> 01:20:49,410
detected, I got called by joint
staff leadership to come in late

1261
01:20:49,410 --> 01:20:54,090
one night to review events as
they were unfolding unfolding,

1262
01:20:54,090 --> 01:20:58,590
and to give them an assessment
based on what we knew at that

1263
01:20:58,590 --> 01:21:04,710
time. I did that worked with the
director, Joint Staff, the j two

1264
01:21:04,710 --> 01:21:08,730
and the J. Three. That night and
over the couple of following

1265
01:21:08,730 --> 01:21:12,960
days on? What are the types of
things that we are tracking from

1266
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:16,320
a unidentified object
perspective, what databases do

1267
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,770
we use those sorts of things
for, for normal for known

1268
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:27,210
objects known tracking. Beyond
that, the response I would have

1269
01:21:27,210 --> 01:21:30,420
to, I would have to refer you
back to the White House for the

1270
01:21:30,420 --> 01:21:35,550
decision on how they did the
response, we did not play a role

1271
01:21:35,550 --> 01:21:40,920
in what you would respond. Other
than that initial, you know,

1272
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,470
advice on what we are seeing and
how we are seeing.

1273
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:52,230
John Greenewald: You yet again,
it kind of was concerning to

1274
01:21:52,230 --> 01:21:56,100
hear that arrow was the office,
they called once these these

1275
01:21:56,130 --> 01:22:00,570
objects that from what we were
told is the general public, they

1276
01:22:00,570 --> 01:22:04,140
knew about prior these balloons,
that arrow was who they went to.

1277
01:22:04,410 --> 01:22:08,190
That's not to demean arrow as an
office. But why were there no

1278
01:22:08,190 --> 01:22:11,760
other policies or procedures to
take over for when they saw

1279
01:22:11,790 --> 01:22:16,140
known foreign technology, spy or
otherwise, but any type of

1280
01:22:16,140 --> 01:22:20,340
foreign technology coming in, if
I recall, where we told that

1281
01:22:20,340 --> 01:22:23,760
they had known about this days,
or weeks prior to it becoming

1282
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:27,120
public knowledge, and US
tracking these balloons, and so

1283
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:32,130
on, there's nothing so then they
call the arrow office, I think

1284
01:22:32,130 --> 01:22:34,890
it's great that they were called
in as maybe a consultant role,

1285
01:22:34,890 --> 01:22:37,440
but I kind of got the impression
that they were the ones that

1286
01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:41,280
everyone call it call arrow with
these balloon objects. And it

1287
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:44,730
just surprised me that there was
no other effort that had been

1288
01:22:44,730 --> 01:22:48,330
well established at this point,
to have policy and procedure on

1289
01:22:48,330 --> 01:22:51,090
what to do. The other weird
thing is the fact that we

1290
01:22:51,090 --> 01:22:54,120
started shooting these things
down, starting with the Chinese

1291
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:57,810
spy balloon. But then within
days, you had multiple objects

1292
01:22:57,810 --> 01:23:02,280
shot down all rumor to be, you
know, balloons or whatever. And

1293
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:07,470
then like nothing, like it all
just stopped. So what are the

1294
01:23:07,470 --> 01:23:12,120
odds that all of a sudden we we
see the balloon, the first one,

1295
01:23:12,210 --> 01:23:14,940
then we shoot that down, and
then there's these beautiful

1296
01:23:15,060 --> 01:23:17,460
photographs, they really were
cool. I think that they were

1297
01:23:17,460 --> 01:23:20,730
awesome nighttime shots of them
collecting the wreckage and

1298
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:25,890
essentially posing with it.
There was that, then nothing on

1299
01:23:25,890 --> 01:23:28,380
the other objects that were shot
down, we just heard about him.

1300
01:23:28,620 --> 01:23:31,680
So in the course of days, you
had all these objects shot down.

1301
01:23:32,130 --> 01:23:37,350
And then all of a sudden,
nothing, no new stories, no

1302
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:41,220
additional shutdowns that we're
aware of know anything. What

1303
01:23:41,220 --> 01:23:44,790
happened? You know, and that's
what's what's really fascinating

1304
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:47,280
to me, because I don't have an
answer. I'm not going to pretend

1305
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:51,090
I do. But But at what point does
some of this become strategic?

1306
01:23:51,090 --> 01:23:55,800
Because, in my view, those
incidents were tied into the UFO

1307
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:59,580
UAP topic. So some of the
stories that I saw, were tying

1308
01:23:59,580 --> 01:24:03,750
it into arrows effort and UAP
and, and so on and so forth,

1309
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:09,720
essentially, taking the mystery
out and putting an explanation

1310
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:12,900
in. So the general public
doesn't that doesn't do what you

1311
01:24:12,900 --> 01:24:16,380
or I do make these videos or
watch these videos or really

1312
01:24:16,380 --> 01:24:19,380
stay involved in the
conversation. They see that mere

1313
01:24:19,380 --> 01:24:22,200
mention of Yeah, the UAP
conversation while it looks like

1314
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,900
a lot of it is balloons think
the New York Times had a very

1315
01:24:24,900 --> 01:24:28,410
similar similar tone to their
most recent, all of a sudden the

1316
01:24:28,410 --> 01:24:31,350
majority of the general public
what do they do? They lose

1317
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:35,070
interest. And consequently, who
else loses interest? The

1318
01:24:35,070 --> 01:24:39,420
senators go back to that, you
know, empty room that we saw

1319
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:44,310
when it came to the interest
from the Senate side that nobody

1320
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:47,130
was there? Sure people want to
think oh, well, you know what?

1321
01:24:47,670 --> 01:24:50,880
They were all at the classified
setting. So there were really no

1322
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:55,230
reasons for them to go to the
public hearing because they

1323
01:24:55,230 --> 01:24:58,920
heard everything. Well, if
that's true, read into that

1324
01:24:58,980 --> 01:25:01,890
because then they're not there.
For you, they're there for them.

1325
01:25:01,950 --> 01:25:06,960
They're not there to inform you
of anything. They're in what a

1326
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,570
meeting and they move on. They
don't care about what you and I

1327
01:25:09,570 --> 01:25:12,480
have to say. Why? Because I
think the general public is

1328
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:15,690
starting to lose interest. And
that's the result. I think we

1329
01:25:15,690 --> 01:25:20,820
need to have efforts that keep
senators in the understanding

1330
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:25,620
that the general public wants to
know, they do, they really do.

1331
01:25:25,650 --> 01:25:30,930
But the problem is they hear too
much BS, full stop. From the

1332
01:25:30,930 --> 01:25:34,740
mainstream media, it is
ridiculous. There was a

1333
01:25:34,740 --> 01:25:39,780
mainstream outlet that ran a
story on the UFO video that we

1334
01:25:39,780 --> 01:25:43,320
already went through from the
hearing. And it was this fear,

1335
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:45,810
right, so that was the one that
was truly unknown. The other one

1336
01:25:45,810 --> 01:25:48,900
was an aircraft. And so they had
this flashy headline about

1337
01:25:48,900 --> 01:25:53,040
releasing a new UFO, video, so
on and so forth. They showed the

1338
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:58,110
wrong video. There's like
nothing serious about the

1339
01:25:58,110 --> 01:26:01,350
coverage when it comes to
mainstream media on this topic

1340
01:26:01,350 --> 01:26:05,820
anymore. And that's the problem.
So the public is hearing BS,

1341
01:26:05,850 --> 01:26:09,450
they really are. And I think
that that's what we need to

1342
01:26:09,450 --> 01:26:14,160
ensure, is not how we all end
up, that people that are making

1343
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:20,430
claims out there have leaked
classified information and alien

1344
01:26:20,430 --> 01:26:24,180
tech and people with these
outlandish claims. As I said, In

1345
01:26:24,180 --> 01:26:29,010
the beginning of this deep dive,
it is important to either put up

1346
01:26:29,220 --> 01:26:33,240
or shut up. And I really, truly
believe we need to get into that

1347
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:37,530
mindset that people shouldn't be
afraid to call others out, when

1348
01:26:37,530 --> 01:26:44,520
they aren't taking the care that
they can. I think that that I

1349
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:45,900
want to be careful here because
I don't want to be

1350
01:26:45,900 --> 01:26:48,480
disrespectful. But at the end of
the hearing, there's a video

1351
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:52,830
that had surfaced where Senator
Gillibrand, I think was given

1352
01:26:52,860 --> 01:26:59,880
ancient alien pamphlets, or
something to that effect. Now, I

1353
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:03,180
want to stress I'm not trying to
sound disrespectful here, but is

1354
01:27:03,180 --> 01:27:08,550
that what she needs to see? Show
up to the hearing? I'm gonna get

1355
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:12,210
hate mail for saying that. But
is that what we are going to

1356
01:27:12,210 --> 01:27:17,370
present her with? Is that the
voice of the people? And and I

1357
01:27:17,370 --> 01:27:22,350
would say no, I would say that,
that convincing someone to put

1358
01:27:22,350 --> 01:27:25,560
the Wilson Davis document in
there was not the right path.

1359
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,200
But you know what, throw him
under oath and put them in

1360
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:31,530
there. Now. I changed my mind. I
thought that was a biggest

1361
01:27:31,530 --> 01:27:35,280
facepalm moment from that first
hearing. But you know what it's

1362
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:39,390
done and over. So put them under
oath. See what happens. See if

1363
01:27:39,390 --> 01:27:43,500
Dr. Eric Davis will sit in there
with protection under oath? And

1364
01:27:43,500 --> 01:27:47,250
tell everybody on the committee?
Yes, I wrote those notes. And

1365
01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:50,550
everything I wrote actually
happened. I'd love to see it.

1366
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,580
And if Thomas Wilson denies it
under oath, are you guys going

1367
01:27:53,580 --> 01:27:56,640
to believe it? And that's
obviously asked towards those

1368
01:27:56,640 --> 01:28:01,860
that believe that the Wilson
documents depict actual events.

1369
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:08,160
So you have, I think, a certain
angle of information that should

1370
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:12,090
be presented to senators. I
don't believe the Wilson Davis

1371
01:28:12,090 --> 01:28:15,420
documents and the Bob Lazar like
stories are the way to go or

1372
01:28:15,420 --> 01:28:19,740
ancient aliens. I just don't.
And that's unfortunate, but

1373
01:28:19,740 --> 01:28:24,120
that's where we're going. And in
that process, we're now seeing

1374
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:27,630
the degradation of this topic.
I'll get some hate mail for that

1375
01:28:27,630 --> 01:28:31,560
too. I'm sure I will. But we're
seeing heavily classified

1376
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:36,900
blankets being put over all of
this. But as a result, you have

1377
01:28:36,900 --> 01:28:40,800
an influx of people claiming
they know what's going on and

1378
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,160
there's so much bunk out there,
the general public loses

1379
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,310
interest trying to keep track of
it all because that's what the

1380
01:28:47,550 --> 01:28:51,300
few now mainstream media outlets
that are doing stories are hard

1381
01:28:51,330 --> 01:28:57,180
highlighting the ridiculously
outlandish claims that hold no

1382
01:28:57,270 --> 01:29:02,430
evidence whatsoever that they'll
quote 72 anonymous sources in

1383
01:29:02,430 --> 01:29:06,150
one particular article and back
that up with absolutely nothing.

1384
01:29:06,570 --> 01:29:09,180
And that's what gets some
headlines on some British

1385
01:29:09,180 --> 01:29:13,230
tabloid papers. Well, you and I,
we can sit here and talk about

1386
01:29:13,230 --> 01:29:17,100
it and and have fun doing so and
respectfully disagree. I always

1387
01:29:17,100 --> 01:29:20,340
dig that. But sadly to the
general public, they're gonna

1388
01:29:20,340 --> 01:29:23,610
lose interest if they haven't
started already. And I think

1389
01:29:23,610 --> 01:29:26,970
we're seeing that the Baghdad
Phantom. Remember when I when I

1390
01:29:26,970 --> 01:29:30,150
said that there was just a
surprisingly lack of coverage to

1391
01:29:30,150 --> 01:29:34,320
that. I think that's a
repercussion of all this. That's

1392
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,200
actually a really interesting
story. Whether or not it's an

1393
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:41,340
alien probe, who knows but
regardless MQ nine Reaper

1394
01:29:41,340 --> 01:29:46,320
footage is being leaked. That's
classified, which I can prove is

1395
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:50,190
a classified video in nature
inherently, because it was shot

1396
01:29:50,190 --> 01:29:53,490
by the MQ nine regardless of
what the object is, and it's

1397
01:29:53,490 --> 01:29:57,630
leaked out. That to me is the
story who is on the inside

1398
01:29:57,630 --> 01:30:00,420
leaking classified information
and seemingly getting way with

1399
01:30:00,420 --> 01:30:05,400
it and doing it for years, just
in the last 60 days, 45 days of

1400
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:10,260
that a DOD leak sparked a huge
investigation, major public

1401
01:30:10,260 --> 01:30:13,650
affairs outreach and damage
control. And I believe the guy

1402
01:30:13,650 --> 01:30:18,750
was already arrested and
charged. What's going on with

1403
01:30:18,750 --> 01:30:23,760
the UAP? world? No one cares.
Come on. So this is what's weird

1404
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,790
and intriguing to me is there's
all these unanswered questions.

1405
01:30:27,090 --> 01:30:30,900
But it seems like the focus is
way over here, when it actually

1406
01:30:30,900 --> 01:30:34,590
should be right here. People are
missing all of these major

1407
01:30:34,590 --> 01:30:38,340
things. And in the end, senators
are handed ancient alien things.

1408
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:43,890
And Wilson Davis somehow gets
traction within a congressional

1409
01:30:43,890 --> 01:30:47,100
hearing. And that's what's
unfortunate, because there's so

1410
01:30:47,100 --> 01:30:53,310
much more, I think, evidence to
be presented. And and I still

1411
01:30:53,310 --> 01:30:57,000
don't know if Kirkpatrick has
the access that he needs. If you

1412
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:01,680
were to ask me to bet $1 I would
bet $1 He does not. I believe

1413
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:04,470
that arrow is too much in the
spotlight to have access to

1414
01:31:04,590 --> 01:31:10,440
everything. I believe that the
secrecy proves there is much

1415
01:31:10,440 --> 01:31:15,270
more to this than clutter and
balloons, and UAS is liked or

1416
01:31:15,300 --> 01:31:19,410
Dr. Kirkpatrick had stated. So
when I go back to the very

1417
01:31:19,410 --> 01:31:24,060
beginning of this deep dive and
say that it seemed forced, was

1418
01:31:24,060 --> 01:31:29,640
it really forced? Was he is he
the guy to go out there and

1419
01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:33,750
explain this? Not investigated?
No, I'm not making that

1420
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:37,770
conspiracy claim. And no, I'm
not saying he's lying. But we do

1421
01:31:37,770 --> 01:31:40,530
have to question whether or not
he has access to all of the

1422
01:31:40,530 --> 01:31:41,250
information.

1423
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,790
Now throughout this video
presentation, I kept slowly

1424
01:31:44,820 --> 01:31:50,340
showing you slides from 1955 of
the same document, but just

1425
01:31:50,340 --> 01:31:54,030
different sections of it showing
how it compares to present day.

1426
01:31:54,810 --> 01:31:58,980
So I'll close with this thought.
Dr. J. Allen Hynek, the main

1427
01:31:58,980 --> 01:32:03,810
Chief Consultant scientist for
Project Bluebook started in very

1428
01:32:03,810 --> 01:32:07,830
much a similar way. The majority
of everything was explainable.

1429
01:32:07,860 --> 01:32:11,910
He was the swamp gas guy. And
Dr. Hynek was very much the

1430
01:32:11,910 --> 01:32:16,350
skeptic slash debunker of
project Bluebook very similar to

1431
01:32:16,350 --> 01:32:20,340
what we're seeing today. Go back
to the clips of Dr. Kirkpatrick

1432
01:32:20,340 --> 01:32:22,800
saying the majority of
everything is all explainable.

1433
01:32:23,250 --> 01:32:29,250
clutter. Balloons UAS is very
similar to Dr. J. Allen Hynek.

1434
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:33,330
But as time went on, Hynek was
really a scientist. And he

1435
01:32:33,330 --> 01:32:36,000
looked at all of that evidence.
And he looked at those cases,

1436
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:39,810
and there is documented proof
that he wanted to actually

1437
01:32:39,810 --> 01:32:43,230
reopen some of the cases that
were solved. I have the letters

1438
01:32:43,230 --> 01:32:46,560
on the blackbaud.com. They're
fascinating. And just search for

1439
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,930
a section called from the desk
of project Bluebook. It's a

1440
01:32:48,930 --> 01:32:54,570
fascinating story, including
actual written letters, with

1441
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:58,590
from Dr. J. Allen Hynek to
Hector Cainta. Nia, head of

1442
01:32:58,590 --> 01:33:01,620
project Bluebook at the time,
and essentially arguing that

1443
01:33:01,770 --> 01:33:05,520
some cases should be reopened
and the US Air Force with the

1444
01:33:07,470 --> 01:33:12,000
direction of kin tinea said, no,
they're going to stay closed. So

1445
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,840
at what point does Kirkpatrick
have access? And how much does

1446
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:20,460
he not? How much is he forced to
do something? Or how much is he

1447
01:33:20,460 --> 01:33:22,800
not? These are all
juxtapositions that are

1448
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:30,690
absolutely fascinating. When you
when you look and compare how

1449
01:33:30,690 --> 01:33:34,650
strikingly similar it really is.
So where does John, Sean

1450
01:33:34,650 --> 01:33:38,280
Kirkpatrick go from here? I
don't know. But it'll be

1451
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:41,790
fascinating to see. Because if
there is, and this was

1452
01:33:41,790 --> 01:33:44,610
speculation on whether or not he
was really kind of forced to

1453
01:33:44,610 --> 01:33:48,390
explain these things, that is
exactly what happened during

1454
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:51,090
project Bluebook. Now we're
talking about academic

1455
01:33:51,090 --> 01:33:54,330
institutions coming along. That
is exactly what happened in

1456
01:33:54,330 --> 01:33:57,450
Project Bluebook. And when
you're talking about these peer

1457
01:33:57,450 --> 01:34:02,280
reviewed processes, that's kind
of kind of what happened during

1458
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:05,340
project Bluebook. But in the
end, the academic community

1459
01:34:05,340 --> 01:34:08,340
looked at the evidence that were
brought in and appropriately

1460
01:34:08,340 --> 01:34:12,450
cleared, and they said shut it
all down. It's not worth it. So

1461
01:34:12,450 --> 01:34:16,440
are we on the same path or not?
Your guess is as good as mine.

1462
01:34:17,310 --> 01:34:20,610
As always, these deep dives I
understand are not for

1463
01:34:20,610 --> 01:34:23,670
everybody, but if you're still
here, A for effort on your

1464
01:34:23,670 --> 01:34:27,450
dedication, I'd love to hear
from you. The YouTube channel

1465
01:34:27,450 --> 01:34:30,720
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1466
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:35,880
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1467
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1468
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:42,750
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1469
01:34:42,750 --> 01:34:45,780
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1470
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1471
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1472
01:34:52,620 --> 01:34:56,730
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1473
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1474
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1475
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:09,510
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1476
01:35:09,510 --> 01:35:15,000
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1477
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:18,270
years that I've added, which are
housed on three dedicated

1478
01:35:18,270 --> 01:35:22,230
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1479
01:35:22,230 --> 01:35:25,200
guys send in goes to that I
don't buy myself a steak dinner

1480
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:29,100
or coffee or anything like that.
That said, Thank you so much for

1481
01:35:29,100 --> 01:35:31,710
listening and watching. This is
John Greenewald, Jr, signing

1482
01:35:31,710 --> 01:35:33,300
off, and we'll see you next
time.