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John Greenewald: That's right
everybody. As always, thank you

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so much for tuning in and making
this your podcast or your live

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stream of choice. I'm your host,
John Greenwald, Jr, founder and

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creator of the black vault.com.
And today isn't a fun show to

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bring to you. But it is
fascinating nonetheless. Now,

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why I say it's not fun is that
the US government, namely the

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Department of Defense, in my
view, in again, I want to stress

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that this is my opinion at this
point, has done one of the

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biggest push backs on the
general public accessing UAP

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related information. This is a
tactic that I've yet to see. And

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this is something that may spell
some bad news for us that are

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seeking that transparency. Now.
This is a theme on my show that

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I talk a lot about the secrecy,
the secrecy, the secrecy. I've

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been always intrigued by that
for decades have been intrigued

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by that. However, it is getting
worse. Now I know that's not a

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popular stance to take. I know
everybody's all excited that

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Congress and politicians are
involved and, and they're

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pushing budget legislation. And
that's all great. But from the

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standpoint of trying to access
that, that information, it's

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getting worse. Now, why is that?
And then the last couple of

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weeks, it's really gotten worse.
Now, I wrote a story. Let me

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bring it up for you here just to
kind of give you an update

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because this particular story I
primarily had written about the

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mozal orb you remember that
leaked video, couldn't get the

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DOD to acknowledge essentially
what it was or anything like

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that. This was this was leaked.
This was something that I deep

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down felt was likely classified.
And again, I won't get into it a

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lot here but likely classified.
Despite what we were told,

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especially with the way that it
was filmed. I believe the

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Baghdad Phantom was more easily
proven being shot by the MQ nine

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Reaper drone. That that was
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Well, I went after documentation
on the MO Zool orb. And it

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finally came back that
everything and I mean everything

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that I had requested, which
includes off stress it again,

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everything. I go for memos,
reports, photos, videos, I've

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got kind of standard legal
jargon to cover the gamut on

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what I'm going for. Everything
was classified on this case. So

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essentially, they are
acknowledging that there's

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something there. Like what what
it means that we don't know,

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it's likely labeled A UAP. But
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regardless, they acknowledged it
and said that everything was

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classified. Well, that in turn
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material that leaked is likely
classified because that did not

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come up. So obviously, there's a
little bit of an assumption

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there meaning that this is quote
unquote, genuine, I don't really

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have a doubt that it is just
trying to be fair to the to the

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evidence here. So on the
assumption that this is real,

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this letter essentially
solidifies that it is classified

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because they didn't release it.
So you can see here go through

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the letter. This was the letter
excerpt. Exemption B. One is

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national security. So that was
the main crux of the story. That

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was the main point. But I had
seen something in this case that

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I didn't really see before. Now
look down here. You can see

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hopefully, you can see my arrow
there on your screen. The second

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reason that or excuse me,
technically the third reason

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that it was withheld second
being B five, which is internal

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communication and deliberation.
So you see that it's kind of

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standard hate that exemption,
but it's there nonetheless quite

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frequently. But the third
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this one here B seven A, which
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interfere with enforcement
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law enforcement, B seven e,
which would disclose techniques

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and procedures for law
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prosecutions, or would disclose
guidelines for law enforcement

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investigations or prosecutions
if such disclosure could

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reasonably be expected to risk
circumvention of law. Now that's

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a pretty big Legal mouthful, but
essentially it just does not

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want to give out any information
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is entwined in that case,
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Freedom of Information Act
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Mozilla orb, whatever it is
pertaining to that they have

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kind of lumped up into a law
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denying access to it citing
those exemptions. Now, if this

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stood alone, I would be
intrigued by it, but not

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concerned. However, multiple
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started coming up with the same
exact exemption be seven, law

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enforcement, law enforcement
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enforcement investigations. Now,
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concern in a second. But the two
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came in around the same time was
one request that was for all

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communications between arrow and
the private organization UAP x.

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UAP X. But this was nothing

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nefarious, I requested
communications between arrow and

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lots of private organizations to
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back and forth. Because some of
these organizations were openly

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admitting to talking to arrow.
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know, I mean, that they they
openly admitted this, they

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posted it on social media. So I
utilize stuff like that and went

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after it. So the request for all
just the communications, all

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emails and letters, I even
quoted it here, all emails and

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letters exchanged between any
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organization. And then a second
request all records pertaining

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to the interviews of Dr. Robert
Jacobs, and Robert solace. That

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also is a quote from the second
case that was denied. Now, as we

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know, Robert solace has openly
admitted to being interviewed by

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Eero again, this was all public
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Twitter and talked about it in a
podcast. So I consider that

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essentially fair game. I mean,
if you're going to openly talk

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about that, that let's let's see
the interview, you know, are

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there transcripts? Is there
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be FOIA a bowl and with some
exception, releasable so we

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could we could get it and a case
in point, Luis Elizondo

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interview with his DoD IG
complaint, I got that although

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redacted. And that was expected,
you can read the majority of it.

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So that's what I was going for
here yet. All of them the mozal

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orb, the arrow and UAP X
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interviews of Robert solace, and
Robert Jacobs, all UAP related,

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but very different in the scope
of their request, interviews,

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investigation in a military
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So three that were all scoped
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request. But all yielded the
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law enforcement investigation.
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in a nutshell, is that B seven
is one of the one of I wouldn't

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say V. But one of the hardest
exemptions to fight in an in an

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appeal, because there's no going
against if it's a law

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enforcement investigation, and
you could hurt law enforcement,

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investigative techniques or
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this letter says. That's, that's
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national security or a be one
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years old. I'd rather go up
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to be honest with you. Some
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but B seven is a tough one.
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this is if I'm right, this
automatically takes anything

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that arrow is looking at
anything that arrow is doing

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anything that they are
investigating it and exempts it

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from top to bottom like that.
No, it doesn't even have to be

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classified. It doesn't even have
to be any type of threat to

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national security. It doesn't
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personal privacy. None of that.
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out the window. All those
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fall back on now, because they
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hoping that this isn't as bad as
I fear that maybe and this is an

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option. Maybe it's for privacy.
Maybe this locks down the

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ability for let's say
whistleblowers to come forward

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or witnesses to come forward.
That shields them from FOIA. But

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if that's true, be six is there
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don't know know how much that is
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wait and see, depending upon you
know how all this plays out,

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but I have constant contacted
the Pentagon, I tried to get a

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DOD official stance on this,
asking, Hey, you have released

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arrow related material before
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you have denied other UAP
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seven was never an issue. So
this is new. This is 100%, a new

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tactic that I have not seen
before in this way, B seven is

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not unheard of. So please don't
get me wrong. But the blanket

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denials, which I'm seeing,
again, with these three requests

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that had different scopes, that
is new, and that makes me very,

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very worried moving forward from
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fighting it is very, very hard.
Now, that was a couple of weeks

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ago. Fast forward now to this
week. And there were a couple of

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others that had been denied as
well. You can see here, they

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were forced Pacific arrow serial
case numbers, be seven denied.

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Also, they use the law
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use the national security
exemption in addition to the law

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enforcement, but law enforcement
was there. The second thing

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denied. This was I went over the
Robert solace, and Robert Jacobs

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interviewed denied. This was for
all other interviews that arrow

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had done, so any of them. And I
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Robert solace and Robert Jacobs,
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different request for them,
since they had openly admitted

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being interviewed. So sorry, one
point of clarity there. So all

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interviews, 100% of them, they
claim are exempt. So I would

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hope or think that if somebody
like Robert Solace is coming

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forward, saying, Here's my
story, here's my name, I was

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interviewed by arrow that they
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there's no privacy issue there.
But that that, you know, maybe a

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different story in a different
video altogether. So bottom line

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here is the usage of B seven,
and I know it gets dry and

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snoozy boring with the legal
jargon. But this is something

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incredibly problematic to those
advocating for transparency with

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the US government. The last
thing that I will address for

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all of you to talk about it from
time to time, but this is a

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perfect video to bring it back
up. Is that a rebuttal that I

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see when I talk about stuff like
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FOIA? Who cares about you, you
are wasting your time you'll

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never get answers through FOIA.
The politicians are pushing for

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answers, they will bring it to
us. The problem is, is that the

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politicians adhere to the same
secrecy that's laid on them as

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we do. If you watch the media,
you see that a lot in the

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political arena where outside of
UFOs, they are utilizing FOIA as

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well, or they fall back on
private citizens or private

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organizations and therefore your
work to help their congressional

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pushes for for answers. My whole
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dismiss FOIA all they want and
fall back on politicians.

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However, evidence shows
politicians will actually fall

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back on FOIA a lot, as well. So
this is a a valuable tool, no

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matter how you slice it or dice
it. But on top of that, and

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above all else, politicians will
get met with the same secrecy

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that we do, or those that are
cleared, will be ushered into a

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skiff told the real stuff, the
stuff you and I want to know.

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And then they will come out and
go, Well, we're taking care of

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it. And we want answers. And
we'll have a hearing and like 12

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years, and we'll talk about it
again and nothing will get done.

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But don't you worry. Vote for me
in November. So that's the type

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of thing that I worry about
where people are falling too

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much on politicians. And yes,
they've done some great work

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thus far. And yes, there's some
legislation. But secrecy is at

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an all time high. How do you
marry the two politicians are

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getting answers, yet the secrecy
is at an all time high. That

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doesn't make any sense to me
that secrecy will transfer to

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the politicians as well. They
will adhere to the same

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guidelines of speaking out or
not speaking out when they're

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not supposed to, and what
remains in a skiff. What happens

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in a skiff stays in a skiff, and
we will never find out about it.

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I hope that I'm wrong. But this
is something that's huge and the

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Pentagon not getting back to me.
I have tried and I've tried and

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I've tried. I have followed up
numerous times I will continue

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to do so because I think that
this needs to somewhat be

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addressed and hopefully It's not
as bad as, as I'm kind of

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fearing here. But maybe maybe it
is. And we will be at the mercy

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of the Department of Defense
having a once a year hearing

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that's to the public. And
they'll give us one, maybe two

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videos, half of which are
explainable. Anyway, the other

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half may be tagged on identified
from the government, but

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seemingly online sleuths can
find a very viable explanation

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within like eight seconds. So
that's not the good stuff. We

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know by that testimony. There is
a small, I'll be at single

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percentage, number of the
overall 800 Plus caseload that

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is truly anomalous. According to
Dr. Shawn Kirkpatrick, who leads

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the UAP investigative effort.
That's the stuff that I want to

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go through under FOIA. That's
the stuff that we need to

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legally fined for, not the bread
crumbs that they want to throw

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out there. And make us all go
wow, ooh, colors. And look at

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this stuff. Because it's a joke.
We know that there's more there.

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And with each of these types of
things happening, like slapping

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a B seven exemption, blanket on
nearly everything arrow related,

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that takes that material that
again, I'll be at single digit

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and puts it lower, and lower and
deeper and deeper and deeper

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until it's inaccessible. Until
it's untouchable. No politician

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is gonna go down there and bring
it out to you. They may even be

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able to see it, but the likely
never ever tell you or show you

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about it. And that's the problem
with today's conversation and

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the world that we live in. When
it comes to UAP. Secrecy is

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deepening. Prove me wrong
politicians. Please, I will

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apologize if you guys somehow
pierce this veil of secrecy and

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this changes but until then,
it's going the opposite

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direction from my vantage point,
and that's a concern. Until next

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time, this is John Greenewald,
Jr, signing off, and we'll see

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you then