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Unknown: So

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Brian Entin / NewsNation: basically
Dr. Kirkpatrick today said that

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he had tried reaching out to UFO
whistleblower David Graeber

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several times to talk to him
recently and didn't get a

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response. David grush sent me
that text message and said, I

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have zero emails or calls for
men. That is a lie.

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John Greenewald: It has become a
classic example of he said, he

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said,

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David Grusch: I was happy to
give sage counsel to him on

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where to look when he took the
helmet era.

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John Greenewald: The head of the
Pentagon's UFO office says the

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UFO whistleblower ignored their
requests to come in and talk.

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The UFO whistleblower says that
was all a lie. But now, thanks

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to the Freedom of Information
Act, the evidence is out. Text

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messages, signal exchanges, and
emails all tell more of the

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story that you haven't heard.
Until now. What exactly was

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said? When did they say it? And
who else got involved? rejoin

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me, John Greenwald, Jr. as I
take a deep dive into these new

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records, and put it all into a
chronological display of how it

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all went down. Why weren't these
handled before they set up? The

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meeting? Stay tuned, you're
about to journey inside the

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black vault.

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That's right, everybody. As
always, thank you so much for

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tuning in and taking this
journey inside the black vault

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with me. I'm your host, John
Greenewald, Jr, founder and

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creator of the black vault. And
tonight, we're doing another

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deep dive. Now I know these
videos aren't for everybody.

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They can get long. And my guess
is this one will be long. And

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the reason is, is we have to
dive into some documents I just

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posted last week, that of course
caused quite a bit of

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controversy. Now if you're not
aware of what I'm referring to,

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I received a batch of documents
through the Freedom of

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Information Act that we're about
arrow the Pentagon's UFO office

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about their invitations to
invite the UFO whistleblower

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into their office and
essentially spill the beans.

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What do you got to know what can
we verify? Now of course, that's

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a nutshell version. Clearly they
have a lot of safeguards with

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security classes of classified
details, stuff like that. So not

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necessarily in their office,
they'd be in a skiff or secure

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area. But regardless, it was
there, again, effort to get him

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in there. Now, here's the
controversy. When David grush

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testified before Congress, he
claimed that aro never reached

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out to him when Dr. Shawn
Kirkpatrick later did an

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interview in October, and he
stated that David grush ignored

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four or five or, or refused
attempts, these multiple

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attempts, David grush, then
countered back in October and

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said that was all a lie. Well, I
am to find out the truth. So I

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filed some foils. And here we
are. So we're going to dive into

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all of these documents. Now
normally, I go through the

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documents in the order that I
received that why that way, you

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guys can go through and follow
along with me. But during this

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presentation, I did something a
little bit different. I

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rearranged them all to
essentially be in chronological

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order makes a little bit more
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this also makes it easier for
you guys to understand. So I put

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all of the documents together,
we're gonna go through all of

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them. They consist of emails,
they consist of signal tests,

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text messages. Wow. What's up
with that? under FOIA? Yes,

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under FOIA, and we'll get into
that, and of course, a breakdown

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by the US government of their
attempts. Now, the biggest

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question here, oh, did David
grush lie? Well, I'm not here to

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say yay or nay on that. I'm here
to show you guys the evidence.

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Anybody can verify it. And you
decide the answer to that. I'm

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not here to say either way. I
will say though, things are not

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always what they seem. And in
this case, it very much seems to

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be the case. So let me go ahead
and pull up some visuals here

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for you guys. Excuse my eyeline.
But I'll be looking at my

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monitor here kind of reading
some stuff to you, and going

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over these particular records
now. First, what I want to do is

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get over some housekeeping
stuff. Once I posted these

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documents if you're a user of
social media, specifically X but

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Reddit was was always also
rampant, with some conspiracy

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theories about this. There was I
would say the most transparency

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that I can give to this process
during During me seeking out

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these documents, and the
conspiracy theories that have

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kind of flown is that I'm
working with the Pentagon, that

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they're essentially feeding me
these documents, so I can put

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them online, they strategically
do it. So I can go ahead and be

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used as a pawn for them. I have
all sorts of accusations. The

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bottom line is, however, for
those who paid attention from

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day one I actually posted when I
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requesting them. And I sat and
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got them very quickly. Well,
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November to April of 2020. For
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six full months of waiting,
that's still a long time. So I'm

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not really sure where a lot of
these conspiracy theories came

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from. So let me do some
housekeeping in the beginning,

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here is the exact wording of
what I requested in my request.

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Now I have some boilerplate
language that is the same on

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every single request. So I'll
spare you guys the legal jargon

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on that. But let me get to the
meat of what I was requesting.

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And it was the following. This
is what I said directly from the

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FOIA request. Dr. Shawn
Kirkpatrick, head of the arrow

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office has gone on the record in
a recent media roundtable

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stating he and or his office has
tried to contact UFO

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whistleblower David grush,
numerous times, but those

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invitations were declined. I
respectfully request a copy of

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records, electronic or otherwise
of the following all forms of

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documentation that showed the
above attempts to invite David

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grush to speak with arrow, I
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may overlap FOIA 24 F 0265.
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because there was probably some
overlap there. So I didn't want

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them to cancel one and I'd wait
longer. But feel this may extend

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beyond just emails hence, the
request seeking out

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documentation relating to the
above statement given to the

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media by Dr. Kirkpatrick, I
agree to limit the scope of

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search to all records dated July
2020 22, through to the date of

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processing this request through
to the data processing this

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request is key. Now this is a
trick that I've learned. So you

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FOIA people out there, I would
pay attention to this one. When

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you file a request, you have to
give a date range. This is

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important because it plays
specifically into the conspiracy

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theories about me, but also why
this particular document came up

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when it came after I filed the
request. When you say through to

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the date of processing this
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don't say that will cut it off
at the moment you submit your

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request. So it may take them two
years to process it. But they'll

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cut the date off on the day that
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However, if you word it this
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crapshoot, it is a gamble, there
is no guarantee that they will

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do this. But I have learned that
in some cases. And this one

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specifically, they will then put
the cutoff date when they begin

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to process your request. So in
this case, it was well after the

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original submission date of
early November. So that is key

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because you'll see the
responsive document was dated

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January of 2024. That also
played into the to the

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conspiracy theories about me.
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request, what I did, I also
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signal messages. There was a lot
of people that accused me of

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getting some kind of tip or lead
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the request that I did any and
all information and that I feel

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that it may extend beyond
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separate it from the case 24 F
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this is, albeit sometimes
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it's just the nitty gritty,
nitty gritty, you have to deal

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with it. Because those people
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those conspiracy theories about
this and how the Pentagon is, is

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working with me on this. Nothing
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So there's the evidence that I
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And the very specific legal
wording of what spawned this

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particular FOIA request. Now
when I say that I couldn't have

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been more transparent. I
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filed, announced it to
everybody. So there was no

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secret there was no sleight of
hand here or something that

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someone fed me and I'm making it
all up. All you got to do is

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look at these particular
screenshots here as proof Oops,

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excuse me as proof that I was
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2023. What I said was in a
recent media roundtable

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discussion, Dr. Shawn
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stated the arrow has sent an
invitation to David grush, quote

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at least four or five times but
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those invites were declined.
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nation that was a lie. So this
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case. Seeking evidence to the
above claim by Dr. Kirkpatrick.

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I'm guessing somewhere those
invitations are documented,

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they'd have to be unlikely
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given the nature of contact and
will be hard to exempt given the

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open admission by Dr.
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Let's find out who's telling the
truth. And I put a screenshot of

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the interview that Dr.
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of the news nation interview
that David gross responded

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saying I have zero emails or
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That was October 31, I believe
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essence, it was a he said, he
said story. It was one person

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had one stance, the other had
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one was lying. It was like,
Okay, well, let's just try and

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settle this. What I said down
here proved to be absolutely

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true. They were all unclassified
invitations. They were

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documented, and you're about to
see all of them. One last things

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of housekeeping here is the
actual FOIA response. This way,

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anybody who's taking notes or
wants to challenge me on how I

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got this, documents and proves
everything that I have stated

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November 2 2023, was when I
filed I'll spare you all the

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legal jargon here on this
letter, but I invite you to

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pause the video and read it.
Here's the four year case number

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that anybody can go ahead and
request information on, again,

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can't be more transparent on
this. Now let's talk about the

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responsive documents and start
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Again rearranged them a little
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you download the PDF, I always
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that I got. But in this
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jumbled a little bit. To give
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I'm going to read to you what
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record. This was dated January
8 2024. Again already addressed

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why this is post dated after my
FOIA requests all stemmed from

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the wording of how I requested
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all domain anomaly resolution
office invitations to interview

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Mr. David grush. I don't want
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resolution office or arrow
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Mr. David grush. For the purpose
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interview in support of the
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historical record report,
invitations both direct and

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through intermediaries to
interview Mr. grush regarding

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his claim knowledge of US
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extraterrestrial material, and
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were met with negative results.
I item two, the following

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attempts were made by director,
arrow and staff to encourage Mr.

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grush to provide information to
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appropriately secure
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Defense Authorization Act for
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arrow to receive reporting about
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events related to UAP regardless
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carpet compartmentalization of
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breakdown, timeline wise per
their memo, and then we'll break

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it down even further. But this
is from the memo breaking down

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the chronology of their timeline
between June 8 and 20, excuse me

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between June 8 2023 And June
13 2023, Director arrow engaged

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in a dialogue with person
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authorities and encourage that
person to have Mr. grush contact

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arrow. Note that this person is
a known close associate of Mr.

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grush. And the dialogue made it
clear that this person was in

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contact with Mr. grush. On June
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discussed with a professional
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you'll see that a few times in
this presentation of the US

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Senate Select Committee on
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refusal to speak with arrow. The
PSM stated that he would contact

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Mr. grush and request Mr. Gresh
his email address. The PSM made

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the offer after the director
made it clear that Arrow did not

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have Mr. Gresh his contact
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bothersome that they couldn't
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contact information but
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Arrow staff contacted
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for Mr. grush his current
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invitation can be extended to
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Mr. grush on Arrow's behalf, and
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Mr. grush. On June 28 2023,
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with the US Senate Select
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Mr. Gratias appearance before
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information reported to Congress
by Mr. grush that arrow may be

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able to identify. The director
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agreement that if a witness
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coming to arrow, that arrow
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congressional spaces to record
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government record in support of
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27 2023, Arrow staff conducted
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redacted who revealed that he
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would be having dinner with Mr.
grush. The following day arrow

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staff to include the director
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grush to contact arrow for an
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clear that the interview would
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facility in accordance with the
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interview would be friendly and
non confrontational, as are all

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arrow interviews. On October
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secure call an interview with
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that he also encouraged Mr.
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interview, so that Mr. Gratias
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the US government record in
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report. Interviewee is known to
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Gresh. During the previous
several months director arrow as

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to PSM with the US Senate
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encourage Mr. grush to provide
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official interview. On November
10 2023, Mr. grush contacted

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arrow at the urging of
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agreed to be interviewed in
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14 2024. Arrow provided Mr.
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Director of Special Access
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that made it clear arrow is
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Compartmented Information. Mr.
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would obtain a similar
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controlled access Program
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of National Intelligence. On
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failed to show at the agreed
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interview with arrow. Upon
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that he is not convinced that
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varying levels of classified and
sensitive information. So this

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right here told you that they
had a meeting set up if you

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didn't catch it. grush didn't
even show. So you'll see here

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why. And this is the argument
and controversy from these

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documents. The controversy as he
didn't show because he felt aro

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didn't answer his questions.
However aro felt that they did

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and they had ample evidence to
show it. Congress was also

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urging based on what they knew
for him to go in. It's kind of a

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mess. It really is. And you see
here that there's a lot more to

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the story than we what we heard
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congressional testimony. And so
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head scratcher. He didn't even
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You'll see more as we go through
the information here exactly why

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he didn't show and exactly why
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On November 19 2023, arrow again
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and stated We invite you to
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government programs or
activities related to UAP dating

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back to 1945. In accordance with
the National Defense

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Authorization Act for Fiscal
Year 2023 aro is authorized to

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receive any information related
to UAP regardless of

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classification, and
notwithstanding any

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nondisclosure agreement you may
have signed, we would be glad to

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meet with you in a skiff so that
you could share information with

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us. This specific invitation was
coordinated with the Office of

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General Counsel, Department of
Defense, Mr. grush, again,

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declined the invitation despite
previously agreeing to an

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interview. And again, Mr. Gresh
cited various security concerns

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that arrow is authorized to
receive information of any

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classification level regarding
UAP. On January 8 2024, Arrow

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provided Mr. Grosh with a
memorandum from the director

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controlled access Programs
Office, Office of the Director

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of National Intelligence that
states arrow was authorized to

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receive information which is
subject to US government non

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disclosure agreement. Arrow also
informed Mr. grush that there is

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a standing invitation to be
interviewed by Arrow regarding

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his claims of UAP and US
government activity and events.

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During interactions between
arrow and Mr. grush from

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November 2023 to January 2024,
it became evident that Mr. grush

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had no intention of providing
arrow with information regarding

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his claims. This assessment
stands despite the NDAA for

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fiscal year 2023 And the
enclosed memorandums from the

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Department of Defense and the
Office of the Director of

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National Intelligence, making it
clear that arrow is authorized

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to receive all levels of
information related to UAP. That

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was a heck of a memo to go over.
But you can see that clearly the

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DoD according to them, was
reaching out to grush through

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various means. Each and every
time it was declined. And

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clearly, there was issue with
David grush, who did not want to

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come into arrow. If he didn't
set up the meeting and didn't

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show, I can understand His
concern was really the root

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cause of that. But how is it
that he could go all that way

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set up the meeting the time and
just not show? So so what

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happened was it was an under
advice of counsel, maybe. But

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why wouldn't he have that advice
prior we know who is his

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attorney is with Charles
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clearly, he's got an incredibly
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So if it was based on legal
counsel, why didn't he get that

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counsel prior? Because he was he
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declining a bunch of
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proactively now reaching out to
arrow and saying, Hey, let's

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let's chat. And from that memo
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November 14, there obviously was
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least one that said over
everything up. So being

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proactive, why would you not
consult your attorney like, hey,

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what do I have to have in
writing here? That's a very

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interesting piece of this puzzle
that you'll see even more play

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out here as we go through the
documents. So the next batch of

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records I'm going to go through
is essentially the supporting

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evidence to this memorandum. So
per my request, seeking out all

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of these attempts,

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part of those attempts were text
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Now, it's not every day you get
signal text messages through the

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Freedom of Information Act, but
in this case, you do. It's not

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common, but not not unheard of.
So this happens for multiple

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reasons. We'll get into it after
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But it was a little bit of a
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more emails, maybe some letters
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text messages. They start on
June 11 2023. And they start

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with thanks. So clearly, there
was dialogue between Sean

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Kirkpatrick and Christopher
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filed for those text messages
now as well. Now that I know

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they exist, but in this
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starts at June 11. You can see
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thanks, we don't know for what.
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what Shawn Kirkpatrick says.
Now, as we go through this, all

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the blue boxes are Shawn
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are Christopher Mellon. Enter
Kirkpatrick grush has made

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claims that he's contacted us
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That's just not true. He's also
made claims that we don't have

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access to investigate his
claims. That is also not true.

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If I recall correctly, you
indicated he refused to come

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talk to us. And you're quoted as
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you emphasize the need to come
speak with us. You have the

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contact email. Enter Christopher
Mellon. Hi, Sean, do you have a

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specific example of Dave Dave
claiming he's contacted arrow

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and your office refused to
respond? That sounds strange as

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during a conversation yesterday,
he told me arrow was not a

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lawfully designated recipient of
his whistleblower info, hence

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his reason for not contacting
arrow. I also do not recall

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saying Dave refused to come talk
to arrow. I certainly did not do

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so in the debrief article or my
article in Politico, and I've

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done no interviews yet about
Dave. Shawn Kirkpatrick. It was

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on the interview Sunday,
Pentagon is preparing a

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response. His assertion that we
aren't lawfully empowered is

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clearly incongruent with the
law. Christopher Mellon, I'll be

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happy to check on that. Contrary
to press reports, Dave still

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retains his attorney who is a
former NSA and IC IG Chuck

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should know if anyone does.
Kirkpatrick there is a

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significant misconception
between the authorities in

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question the title 50
authorities we we do have are

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for CI purposes not taking in
information. The law is very

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clear about that and if he has a
concern he should have as

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attorney discuss with OGC we
we've had we've had many people

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come share appropriately the
information that okay, so you'll

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see here I'm going to stop real
quick. You'll see here that

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there's grammatical errors
reading Kirkpatrick I don't know

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if that's just rage tweeting. Or
if he's like, you know, just

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Cerise not not liking him. I
don't know. So forgive my

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stumble reading. I'm trying to
make it as clear as possible and

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forgot to note his grammatical
errors because there is one part

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of that that actually may be a
typo that a lot of people are

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making a big deal of and I'm not
sure if it should be a big deal

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yet. We'll see. We'll get to
that. In a minute, but let me

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see here the law is very clear
about that. And if he has a

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concern he should have as
attorney discuss with OGC.

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That's the Office of General
Counsel within the DOD. We've

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had many people come share
appropriately the information

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they have from various places.
Chuck is wrong. If that's his

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advice, melon, I'll be happy to
raise with Dave and get back to

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you. Kirkpatrick if nothing else
he needs to contact us. And

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we'll introduce his attorney to
the Office of General Counsel.

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I'll reach out to him today says
Christopher Mellon. Also Mellon

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I spoke with Dave and his first
question was Why hadn't aro

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gotten all the info from the IC
IG? It is all there and fully

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documented to include
confirmation that program is

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real from active cleared
insiders. Mellon, I spoke with

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Dave and his first Oh, excuse
me, I'm sorry, that's just

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repeated from the screenshot.
Kirkpatrick comes in after that

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Department of Justice has to
release it since it's part of a

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criminal investigation. Now DOJ
is Department of Justice.

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However, the question that was
asked by David grush through

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Mellon was about the IC IG. A
lot of people are making a big

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deal out of this line that the
Department of Justice is

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involved. Maybe the IC IG
figured out a criminal aspect

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that was essentially confirmed
or confirmed enough to then

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forward over to the Department
of Justice for criminal

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investigation. That is
absolutely a possibility.

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However, those that are touting
this in the media and new op eds

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and so on, have not confirmed
it. Now why I pointed out

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Kirkpatrick is kind of again,
I'm not trying to sound rude

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here, but kind of his rage
texting, where he's clearly he's

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got a lot of grammatical fumbles
here and there, misspelling

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you'll see some more here, as I
read through it. Was his

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response maybe that that in his
head, he's thinking criminal,

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slash investigation slash law
enforcement, and he says it by

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mistake, or Is this legit? Now
some of you may think that I'm,

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I'm stretching their look, I'm
just I'm a stickler for

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confirming these things because
of a text message from somebody

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who's having those spelling or
grammatical errors, or both, can

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probably easily mistaken, do
typing in DOJ versus IC IG.

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While he's, you know, typing in
haste, the texting in haste. So

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that's a possibility. I have yet
to see confirmation of it. I

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don't necessarily doubt it. I
think it's interesting no matter

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what, but I don't think we
should just start screaming that

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the DOJ is involved, like some
people are doing as I record

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this, we just don't know yet. So
back to Kirkpatrick, DOJ has to

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release it since it's part of a
criminal investigation. They

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haven't yet he needs to come
tell us separate from his

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criminal complaint. So Mellon,
he obviously doesn't have to do

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so. And he even said, quote, how
do I know Sean is not a target

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of the ongoing criminal
investigation. In parentheses,

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he's got an exclamation point.
However, that being said, I

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explained your request regarding
his attorney contact office

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government counsel and suggested
he do so to show full

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cooperation. He said that if you
can provide OTCs contact info,

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he'll pass it to his attorney.
By the way. He also said his

441
00:28:19,290 --> 00:28:23,070
claim about contacting you dates
to a conversation the two of you

442
00:28:23,070 --> 00:28:30,330
had many months ago on a quote,
Tandberg, t a n d, b e r g and

443
00:28:30,330 --> 00:28:33,600
parentheses he has SP question
mark that spelling even he

444
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,140
doesn't really know what he's
talking about, but trying to

445
00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:41,760
convey that to Kirkpatrick. So
conversation many months ago on

446
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,420
a Tandberg system, and that you
didn't follow up after that

447
00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:48,750
call. I'm not trying to
adjudicate that issue, just

448
00:28:48,750 --> 00:28:52,170
telling you what he said.
Apparently, that is what his

449
00:28:52,170 --> 00:28:55,800
statement was referring to. So
if you can provide an OGC email

450
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,770
or phone number, I'll get that
to Dave right away. And

451
00:28:58,770 --> 00:29:03,300
hopefully his attorney will
promptly contact OGC. Back to

452
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:07,170
Kirkpatrick. All of that is both
absurd and false. I have had a

453
00:29:07,170 --> 00:29:10,980
conversation I have. Here's
another fumble. I believe he

454
00:29:10,980 --> 00:29:15,120
meant I haven't had a
conversation with him for years.

455
00:29:15,570 --> 00:29:18,690
That coincides with multiple
interview quotes and so on.

456
00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:21,360
Anybody can fact that have
checked that that he hadn't

457
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,540
talked to him for quite a few
years, even David grush had said

458
00:29:24,780 --> 00:29:31,080
it was 2022. So obviously, at
least one or two years. So I

459
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,320
think that was yet another typo,
but I haven't had a conversation

460
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,570
with him for years. If he wants
this brought out and

461
00:29:36,570 --> 00:29:40,050
investigated, then yes, he
obviously does have to his

462
00:29:40,050 --> 00:29:43,470
continued refusal to speak with
us only hurts his case. I've

463
00:29:43,470 --> 00:29:47,580
contacted congressional OGC to
reach out to him so they can

464
00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:51,300
explain the law. Haven't had a
conversation for years. See, so

465
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:54,480
that now he goes back and he
corrects himself. Our statement

466
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,280
will simply be that he's refused
to speak with arrow. Melon comes

467
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,100
back. Okay, so Sounds good happy
to help when I can don't

468
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:06,240
hesitate to kick my tires off
based on something. By the way,

469
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,640
there isn't a congressional OGC
as such. Kirkpatrick there are

470
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,200
congressional lawyers that get
law. Mellon to be clear whom

471
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,830
shade, whom should Dave expect
to hear from, if you cannot

472
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:25,320
provide a point of contact at
DOD. Current Patrick's then

473
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,140
corrects himself again. So
again, I'm just stressing this

474
00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:31,500
about that DOJ thing because I
think it's key, he corrects the

475
00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:36,660
get law into vet law. So that's
what he's correcting there.

476
00:30:39,930 --> 00:30:43,830
Hill OGC generally advised
members only that's what

477
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:47,130
Kirkpatrick said they advise
their employers, not members of

478
00:30:47,130 --> 00:30:49,800
the public. So essentially what
he's saying here, if you're kind

479
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,370
of lost, because I had read it a
couple times as well. Obviously,

480
00:30:53,370 --> 00:30:55,950
the DOD has an office of
government counselor, excuse me,

481
00:30:55,950 --> 00:31:00,870
Office of General Counsel of
lawyers, attorneys. I know for a

482
00:31:00,870 --> 00:31:05,520
fact that a few of my FOIA
cases, quite a few actually go

483
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,930
through that particular office,
when some of these documents are

484
00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:12,810
released, they are involved,
they're going through the law,

485
00:31:12,930 --> 00:31:16,500
they understand how it works. So
especially when you tie in FOIA

486
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:20,280
releases, they're right there to
essentially make sure nobody's

487
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,340
crossing any legal line.
Obviously, they are involved in

488
00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:26,610
processes like this as well. So
they're the attorneys for the

489
00:31:26,610 --> 00:31:31,350
DOD, where that kind of back and
forth got a little mumbled was

490
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:35,850
that it was brought up that the
hill, Congress has essentially

491
00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:38,670
an equivalent to an OGC. That's
where melon says, No, they

492
00:31:38,670 --> 00:31:41,910
don't. And then Kirkpatrick was
like, they have attorneys that

493
00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:45,240
advise their members, not for
the public, but members of

494
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,840
Congress. So a lot of these fine
details are very important when

495
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,840
you see these things play out.
Because you know, even these two

496
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,450
guys who are obviously very
knowledgeable about how the

497
00:31:54,450 --> 00:31:57,450
government works, they're still
not jiving when they're

498
00:31:57,450 --> 00:32:00,000
conversing with each other,
because it's an incredibly

499
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,870
convoluted process with a lot of
nooks and crannies. And it

500
00:32:03,870 --> 00:32:06,930
really kind of goes to the root
of that whole, the right hand

501
00:32:06,930 --> 00:32:09,600
doesn't know what the left hand
is doing, primarily because the

502
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,200
left hand doesn't even know the
right hand exists. So you kind

503
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,980
of see it play out here with two
powerhouse minds that came that

504
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:19,980
come from the government or came
from the government. And they

505
00:32:20,010 --> 00:32:23,730
don't even match up with, with,
again, their knowledge of how it

506
00:32:23,730 --> 00:32:26,940
all works. And that's not an
insult, but rather that's how

507
00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:29,670
this is playing out that they're
just not on the same, not on the

508
00:32:29,670 --> 00:32:37,350
same page. So let me see back to
back to Kirkpatrick. It's either

509
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:40,650
a lawyer at the hill or a lawyer
in DOD, who am I sending them

510
00:32:40,650 --> 00:32:44,490
to? Either the law is law or we
can scrub having anyone else

511
00:32:44,490 --> 00:32:47,460
come see arrow. So obviously
Kirkpatrick is getting a little

512
00:32:47,460 --> 00:32:51,750
miffed at this point. Mellon
says you can't tell chuck to go

513
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:54,270
to various committees on the
Hill, it needs to be someone who

514
00:32:54,270 --> 00:32:57,780
represents arrow in the
executive branch. I'll support

515
00:32:57,780 --> 00:33:00,870
Mellon on that from the little
that I do know about this? That

516
00:33:00,870 --> 00:33:04,860
yes, that would essentially be
who they have to talk to, for

517
00:33:04,860 --> 00:33:08,760
safety as well, that if the DoD
attorneys are going to promise

518
00:33:08,790 --> 00:33:12,960
something, then obviously, when
he goes into the DOD, he's got

519
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,380
something to fall back on.
mellem continues, there are a

520
00:33:16,380 --> 00:33:19,500
dozen Hill committees on
majority and minority counsel

521
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:23,490
who may not even agree.
Kirkpatrick depends on how badly

522
00:33:23,490 --> 00:33:26,400
people want this sorted out,
send me Chuck's contact info.

523
00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:30,870
Then Mellon says not without his
permission, obviously. How about

524
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:34,350
I relay your contact info here
to chuck, what's interesting is

525
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:38,310
Chuck McAuliffe information is
public on the website. I'm not

526
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:40,620
going to display it here to
prove what I just said. But the

527
00:33:40,620 --> 00:33:43,620
last time I checked, it was on
the website. And then it's how I

528
00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:46,770
contacted him. Sadly, I was
ignored the few times that I

529
00:33:46,770 --> 00:33:50,040
did. But regardless, the the
information is there, the law

530
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,960
firm is public. It's got a phone
number. So why this like, Hey,

531
00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:58,770
give me his phone number. Hey,
can you get me a hey, can you

532
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,550
it's like, what can you not just
put in a.com or use Google? You

533
00:34:02,550 --> 00:34:06,030
guys are investigating UAP for
the Department of Defense. Can

534
00:34:06,030 --> 00:34:08,970
you really not just use Google
for finding somebody's contact

535
00:34:08,970 --> 00:34:11,640
information? So that kind of
stuff just drives me nuts when

536
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,490
you see this back and forth. But
it kind of shed some light of

537
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:18,060
you know, how all this is
playing out behind the scenes

538
00:34:18,060 --> 00:34:25,200
and it's it's silly in a lot of
ways. Kirkpatrick Oh, I'm sorry.

539
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,470
The last thing that after not
without his permission,

540
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:30,750
obviously, again, this is Mr.
Melon. How about I relay your

541
00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:33,840
contact information to chuck,
this will get sorted out of

542
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,510
that. I have no doubt. It is
only a matter of how quickly and

543
00:34:36,510 --> 00:34:39,960
by whom? Kirkpatrick I'm not
giving my contact info out.

544
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:43,680
Given the harassment and
threats. That's why we have a

545
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,870
secure mechanism. I don't even
know if you want me to comment,

546
00:34:48,870 --> 00:34:51,480
and that's just so silly at this
point. I mean, there's obviously

547
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,450
government public numbers that
they could give out especially

548
00:34:54,450 --> 00:34:59,610
to a former IC IG. I mean, come
on. Kirkpatrick continues and

549
00:34:59,610 --> 00:35:02,280
yes, you are defending and
adjudicating and you're

550
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,310
undermining the very
organization you're purported to

551
00:35:05,310 --> 00:35:09,270
help establish for this person.
So now that miffed Dr.

552
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:12,600
Kirkpatrick just kind of went up
a little bit. So you can clearly

553
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,630
see now he's telling Mellon
upset, essentially, that he's

554
00:35:15,630 --> 00:35:18,660
kind of obstructing this
process. It's like you, you, by

555
00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:21,690
your own admission help set this
up. Now you're really just not

556
00:35:21,690 --> 00:35:24,390
letting this play out, like, you
know, and these guys are not

557
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:28,920
coming together here trying to
connect David grush to arrow and

558
00:35:29,250 --> 00:35:32,790
it was it was very telling to
read through this for the first

559
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:37,410
time. Mr. Melon comes in really
odd I try to bring everyone to

560
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,030
arrow I can. I'm trying to help
put Dave in touch with your GC

561
00:35:42,030 --> 00:35:45,870
or general counsel, if you can
provide simple contact info. I'm

562
00:35:45,870 --> 00:35:49,830
not judging the claims between
you and Dave, and and have not

563
00:35:49,830 --> 00:35:53,250
claimed his claims are accurate.
I'm going to stop right there.

564
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,600
I'm going to repeat it again. I
have not claimed his claims are

565
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,670
accurate. That's a very telling
admission by Christopher Mellon.

566
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:06,600
I'm not trying to read into that
too much. I'm just trying to

567
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,380
show you what Christopher melons
mindset is that he's not

568
00:36:10,380 --> 00:36:14,370
vouching for the story itself.
He's vouching for David Gratias

569
00:36:14,370 --> 00:36:18,420
credibility, which I would do
the same with his background.

570
00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:23,460
It's very impressive. But to the
accuracy of his claims, even

571
00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:26,580
Christopher Mellon, who knows
more than all of us, I'm sure

572
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,570
about David Gratias story and
who the 40 people are that he

573
00:36:30,570 --> 00:36:34,620
talked to, and all of that if
he's still ready to not go on

574
00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:37,920
not ready to go on the record
and say, Yeah, I believe his

575
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,960
claims. To me, that's very
telling. So definitely take note

576
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,350
of that part. To continue on
with Mr. melons, words, I've

577
00:36:46,350 --> 00:36:50,610
said he is sincere and credible,
and his and other claims, which

578
00:36:50,610 --> 00:36:54,930
I expressly called allegations,
warrant investigation, all of

579
00:36:54,930 --> 00:36:59,400
which is, you know, very
admirable to say. So kudos to

580
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,910
him, because I agree with it. I
have no idea what you or Dave

581
00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:07,530
discussed or when, and, or when,
and I'm not taking a position on

582
00:37:07,530 --> 00:37:12,510
that, or even the underlying
claim of recovered materials. So

583
00:37:12,510 --> 00:37:15,330
he doesn't even have a stance on
the recovered materials. Also a

584
00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:19,710
very, very interesting tell
here. Because, you know, do some

585
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,940
do some thinking about who
Christopher Mellon circle is.

586
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:27,930
And he's not ready to make any
claims. Again, very telling.

587
00:37:28,290 --> 00:37:32,640
That's not to be, again, overly
reading into something critical

588
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,290
or negative, but rather,
pointing this out, because a lot

589
00:37:37,290 --> 00:37:40,590
of people can miss that. So it's
very telling about where

590
00:37:40,590 --> 00:37:44,010
Christopher melanism, this. And
you'll see here, let me pull up

591
00:37:44,010 --> 00:37:48,630
the laser pointer. So I'm
kind.dot.if anybody uses signal,

592
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:51,780
you know that there's more here.
That's why there's a Read More

593
00:37:51,780 --> 00:37:54,810
link. And when you when you tap
on that on your phone, it

594
00:37:54,810 --> 00:37:58,350
extends the message. So signal
will only show you a certain

595
00:37:58,350 --> 00:38:02,550
amount of characters. And then
you have to do read more. Sadly,

596
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:04,920
when these screenshots were
taken, they didn't do that. Now

597
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,880
I have filed a request for the
extended text. Will I get that

598
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,860
no idea. But and in fact, that
was in my appeal. But I want the

599
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:19,560
whole text to see you know what
exactly. Mr. Mellon had gone on

600
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,560
to say, because to me, that was
one of the more interesting text

601
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,990
messages that he sent. It was
very, I guess, personal in the

602
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:31,650
sense that it was direct to what
he believes or what he's not

603
00:38:31,650 --> 00:38:35,250
ready to believe. But he wants
investigated. Very, very

604
00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:40,980
important, kind of crucial to
see that. And we didn't. So

605
00:38:40,980 --> 00:38:44,460
we'll see if that screenshot
comes. However, the next message

606
00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:47,700
that Mr. Mellon sent, Dave can
now say, quote, Shawn has

607
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:50,820
refused to provide me or my
attorney the contact information

608
00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:57,870
that would allow us to picking
up right here, sorry, this,

609
00:38:57,990 --> 00:39:00,870
these are the screenshots, I
just have to match it up. Dave

610
00:39:00,870 --> 00:39:04,500
can now say, Shawn has refused
to provide me or my attorney the

611
00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:06,780
contact information that will
allow us to discuss legal

612
00:39:06,780 --> 00:39:10,530
concerns we have with providing
testimony to arrow, I'm not your

613
00:39:10,530 --> 00:39:13,260
enemy. And I'm not saying this
to provoke or irritate you.

614
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:17,820
Moreover, having once been in
similar jobs, I recognize you

615
00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:21,690
have a big pile of work and
responsibility on your plate. I

616
00:39:21,690 --> 00:39:24,360
only mentioned this because it
seems you must have some legal

617
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,870
representation, and assuming
they are competent. It seems to

618
00:39:27,870 --> 00:39:30,960
me a discussion. It would help
to get Dave's testimony into

619
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,620
your system. That it seems to me
should be a win for all.

620
00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:38,370
Kirkpatrick I've asked the
Office of General Counsel for

621
00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:41,970
contact information. Melon
Great. Kirkpatrick waiting to

622
00:39:41,970 --> 00:39:45,750
hear back. Melon. I will be
happy to provide that to Dave

623
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:48,450
and Chuck if you'd like. I think
you have a fascinating and

624
00:39:48,450 --> 00:39:51,120
important job. And I want
nothing more than to see the

625
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,120
process work. Please don't think
I am out to make your job

626
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,560
harder. Kirkpatrick actually,
Dave can't say any such thing.

627
00:39:58,710 --> 00:40:06,180
He hasn't asked me for it.
Anything only you? Again,

628
00:40:06,210 --> 00:40:11,280
they're just not jiving in this
conversation. So it's it's it's

629
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,910
just I can't say it enough. It's
fascinating to see this play out

630
00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:19,200
that this was the effort, one of
the efforts to get grush in

631
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,420
there. And how much of a mess it
really was. Mellon comes back

632
00:40:24,420 --> 00:40:27,750
actually, he probably can and
might, but that doesn't matter.

633
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:30,870
I have no specific reason to
believe he will. And I am not

634
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:33,510
proposing that to him. Just
trying to close the loop and

635
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:40,380
move things toward a good
outcome. Thanks. Let me see

636
00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:40,740
here.

637
00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:46,140
Okay, so that was June 12, and
June 13, all those text messages

638
00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:50,430
that I went over, okay. Then it
jumps to in the screenshot

639
00:40:50,490 --> 00:40:53,670
yesterday. Now, we don't know
when Kirkpatrick took the

640
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:57,570
screenshots or assuming it was
Kirkpatrick. So we have no idea

641
00:40:57,570 --> 00:41:03,360
what date this is, but whomever
took the screenshot, and

642
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,550
whatever date it was,
Kirkpatrick had sent Mellon and

643
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:11,610
I'll quote here, this is the
official position of the

644
00:41:11,610 --> 00:41:14,760
Pentagon released to media
Tuesday approved by OGC. And the

645
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,630
Secretary, by law arrow may
receive all UAP related

646
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:21,570
information, including any
classified national security

647
00:41:21,570 --> 00:41:24,720
information involving military
intelligence and intelligence

648
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:28,980
related activities at all levels
of classification, regardless of

649
00:41:28,980 --> 00:41:32,520
any restrictive access controls,
Special Access Programs, or

650
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,360
compartmented. Access Programs.
Moreover, there is no

651
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,750
restriction to arrow receiving
any past or present UAP related

652
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:43,290
in and then you have that read,
more frustrating link that they

653
00:41:43,290 --> 00:41:46,440
didn't read more. Now, if you
Google just any part of that

654
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,790
string, you will come up with
that language that has been used

655
00:41:51,210 --> 00:41:57,180
in congressional language in
some news, pieces and press

656
00:41:57,180 --> 00:42:02,910
statements and stuff, going back
to October ish, of 2023. So that

657
00:42:02,910 --> 00:42:06,900
may be around this time that it
went from June to October ish,

658
00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:11,100
don't really know. Sadly, we
can't really confirm it. I filed

659
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:15,120
FOIA cases after the receipt of
this to hopefully figure that

660
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,120
out. But regardless, that's what
we're we're kind of left to

661
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,910
wonder, kind of doesn't matter.
We know the language was there.

662
00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:23,820
Melon responds, I passed that
along today for as attorneys

663
00:42:23,820 --> 00:42:27,930
review, per your message, above
all, seek to avoid further

664
00:42:27,930 --> 00:42:30,000
communication, unless it is
something that seems

665
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,770
extraordinarily urgent, or you
initiate well, okay, I'll get

666
00:42:34,770 --> 00:42:37,860
that off to Dave and his
attorney this morning. Thanks.

667
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,560
That was it. That was all of it.
And I want to point out one

668
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:50,010
thing to you guys here. That it
was, let me see I have a better

669
00:42:50,010 --> 00:42:54,450
slide for it here. You set
disappearing message time to one

670
00:42:54,450 --> 00:42:58,050
week, that is a message that
whomever is using signal in this

671
00:42:58,050 --> 00:43:02,820
case, Kirkpatrick in that last
right before he sent the this

672
00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:05,850
official position of the
Pentagon text, he set the

673
00:43:05,850 --> 00:43:09,840
messages on signal to be wiped
after seven days. Signal, how's

674
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,820
that feature, because it's an
encrypted method of

675
00:43:11,820 --> 00:43:14,460
communicating. But it's a way to
essentially hide what you're

676
00:43:14,460 --> 00:43:17,940
communicating. So if you feel
that it's sensitive, you can

677
00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:21,330
keep it for a week, and then the
app will just completely wipe it

678
00:43:21,330 --> 00:43:25,320
out after a week. There's a lot
of problems there. And a lot of

679
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,440
people missed that because
nobody was talking about it. And

680
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,220
I tweeted it out or exited out.
However you say that now posted

681
00:43:32,220 --> 00:43:36,210
it out on x and social media
platforms like hey, you guys are

682
00:43:36,210 --> 00:43:40,560
mad that signal messages got
released through FOIA. That was

683
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,880
actually a legit thing to do,
not only in the failure, case

684
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,880
response, but even to use signal
which I'll talk about right now.

685
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:52,230
But you guys aren't talking
about the fact that it was

686
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:55,710
switched to then erase
everything. So what are we

687
00:43:55,710 --> 00:43:58,500
erasing? Did he save it within
the timeframe of the week,

688
00:43:58,620 --> 00:44:02,010
because you have to do that. Now
again, most people were upset

689
00:44:02,010 --> 00:44:07,770
that the signal messages were
sent to me in a FOIA request

690
00:44:07,770 --> 00:44:12,210
response, privacy concerns were
brought up. There were a lot of

691
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:14,940
again, I call them those
conspiracy theories, those

692
00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:19,020
allegations that I was being fed
this information, essentially

693
00:44:19,020 --> 00:44:21,780
maliciously, so that I could put
it out there to the general

694
00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:26,040
public. Obviously, that's all
silliness. But on top of all of

695
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,930
that, Luis Elizondo had chimed
in publicly, he's got a very

696
00:44:30,930 --> 00:44:34,650
large following very, very
dedicated fan base. Anybody who

697
00:44:34,650 --> 00:44:38,970
follows Him knows that and he's
got a lot of popularity in this

698
00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:43,830
particular field. Even he went
out of his way to essentially

699
00:44:43,830 --> 00:44:48,840
spotlight the signal messages
being put out, in kind of, in my

700
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:54,120
opinion, fueled the flames a
little bit. And the reason I say

701
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,320
that is for this, he posts
publicly retweets it. Retweets

702
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,730
Christopher melons. post about
my article and my four year

703
00:45:02,730 --> 00:45:07,020
release, and then responds this
way, Chris. I wonder when did

704
00:45:07,020 --> 00:45:10,680
DoD authorized Kirkpatrick to
use the signal app for official

705
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,590
US business and correspondence?
You and I would have been

706
00:45:13,590 --> 00:45:16,470
crucified for doing that while
we were in the government? And

707
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:20,670
when did they allow personal
identifiable info of US citizens

708
00:45:20,670 --> 00:45:25,800
to be released, contrary to
Privacy Act of 1974? I guess

709
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,310
it's more of the same regarding
rules that apply quote to the

710
00:45:29,490 --> 00:45:37,620
but not to me. Now, look, he's
got a big following. And I and

711
00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:40,470
I'm a big supporter that if you
do have a big following, even if

712
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:42,900
you have a small one, but more
importantly to those that have a

713
00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:46,500
big one, when you put
allegations out there like that,

714
00:45:46,530 --> 00:45:50,640
you need to back it up. Now in
fairness to Mr. Elizondo, maybe

715
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:56,160
he just wasn't aware. And that's
fine. But when I received these

716
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,820
text messages through FOIA Yeah,
I was really curious about it. I

717
00:45:59,820 --> 00:46:03,870
knew they had come out through
past FOIA cases before the the

718
00:46:03,870 --> 00:46:06,930
cases that I knew about were
actually through litigation. But

719
00:46:06,930 --> 00:46:11,310
through US Code, Chapter Five,
section 552 Are the FOIA signal

720
00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:15,600
messages and text messages have
come out before. So it's, in my

721
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:20,160
opinion, irresponsible to start
blasting that to, you know, 150

722
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,910
plus 1000 people to kind of fuel
that because then there were

723
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:27,750
people that were saying I should
be sued for publishing these

724
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:30,540
documents, regardless of getting
them through FOIA. Now, that's a

725
00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:32,490
loot anybody with a legal
background knows that that's

726
00:46:32,490 --> 00:46:37,440
ludicrous. But the digital mob
mob doesn't care about that. So

727
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,930
they just use that as part of
their, you know, lynch mob

728
00:46:39,930 --> 00:46:44,550
strategy to essentially get
fueled by a post like this. But

729
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:47,940
they actually don't look at the
evidence. Now, I did what I'll

730
00:46:47,940 --> 00:46:51,690
call an article, but it was more
of an ex post that broke down

731
00:46:51,690 --> 00:46:57,090
the DoD instructions on how to
use non government apps,

732
00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:00,810
messaging apps, non DoD
controlled is what they call

733
00:47:00,810 --> 00:47:05,130
them, messaging apps for DOD
business. Now, to summarize it,

734
00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:08,970
I won't read all this to you.
But to summarize it, yeah, it is

735
00:47:08,970 --> 00:47:13,830
kind of frowned upon, but it's
not banned. It's not fully

736
00:47:13,830 --> 00:47:17,400
banned. You can do it as long as
you follow a certain set of

737
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,670
rules. So you're not sending
classified information. That's

738
00:47:20,670 --> 00:47:24,090
one of the obvious ones, or more
sensitive information that may

739
00:47:24,090 --> 00:47:26,610
not be classified, but
essentially more of the

740
00:47:26,610 --> 00:47:30,030
sensitive government business
that you conduct. They do not

741
00:47:30,030 --> 00:47:33,210
want you to use it for that. But
when you look at the messages

742
00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:36,750
that I went over, what was it
doing, it was setting up a

743
00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:39,930
meeting, and that's all that it
was the only personal

744
00:47:39,930 --> 00:47:42,990
identifying information that was
spilled was Christopher melons

745
00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:45,690
name. He was communicating with
a government official and

746
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:49,350
anybody with a FOIA background,
let alone a government

747
00:47:49,350 --> 00:47:52,470
background will realize that the
moment that you communicate with

748
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:56,100
a government official, it
becomes FOIA trouble. I've

749
00:47:56,220 --> 00:48:00,540
spoken about that for years.
It's why I've gotten bass, you

750
00:48:00,540 --> 00:48:03,870
know, private corporation emails
through FOIA. It's why I've

751
00:48:03,870 --> 00:48:06,720
gotten numerous other
corporation corporate emails,

752
00:48:06,930 --> 00:48:11,910
through FOIA. It's just how it
works. But the DOD, again, has

753
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:14,730
that stance where they can use
these apps, you go through that

754
00:48:14,730 --> 00:48:18,000
text message, all he was doing
was trying to set up a meeting.

755
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,390
So it wasn't sensitive at all.
There were no phone numbers,

756
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,810
social security numbers, bank
account numbers, anything

757
00:48:24,810 --> 00:48:27,930
personally identifying
information. And again, the only

758
00:48:27,930 --> 00:48:31,440
thing that came close to it was,
was Mr. Melons name, but given

759
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,370
his past, and his very public

760
00:48:36,690 --> 00:48:41,130
image, talking about UAP, being
involved with getting arrow set

761
00:48:41,130 --> 00:48:46,920
up, what privacy violation was
there. So not only was the use

762
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,760
of signal authorized, and again,
I go through the instructions in

763
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,270
this ex post online, I'll link
it in the show notes below. So

764
00:48:54,270 --> 00:48:57,060
you have it. But there was also
no personally identifying

765
00:48:57,060 --> 00:49:01,170
information, there was no
violation of the Privacy Act of

766
00:49:01,170 --> 00:49:05,940
1974. All those allegations do
is fueled the digital mob,

767
00:49:06,210 --> 00:49:10,500
Kirkpatrick made reference to
harassment and threats, it fuels

768
00:49:10,530 --> 00:49:14,430
stuff like that, just simply
because people get so fired up

769
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,300
thinking that these personal
private messages are leaked out,

770
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,870
which isn't true, that they're
published through FOIA

771
00:49:21,870 --> 00:49:25,170
illegally, which isn't true,
that there's a violation of the

772
00:49:25,170 --> 00:49:29,910
Privacy Act, which isn't true.
It all plays a role in that. So

773
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:32,550
I think that there needs to be
that responsibility with people

774
00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:36,120
that have large following, to
maybe research these things a

775
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,390
little bit. And if a mistake is
made, we all make them myself

776
00:49:39,390 --> 00:49:43,410
included. Just correct it so
then that way, your you know,

777
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,160
fan base doesn't go nuts, those
on people like myself, and

778
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,990
saying I should be sued, or
worse for themselves worse, go

779
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:55,290
after people in the government
that have investigative arms

780
00:49:55,290 --> 00:49:59,400
like the FBI at their disposal.
So you know, let's be a little

781
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,770
bit more responsive. But when
we're making claims like that,

782
00:50:01,950 --> 00:50:05,640
but I do want to give credit to
Mr. Christopher Mellon, who

783
00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:09,630
stated this in a recent article
about the documents that I got,

784
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:13,650
he says, quote, the release
surprised, but did not offend me

785
00:50:13,650 --> 00:50:18,090
as I'm a strong supporter of
government transparency. So from

786
00:50:18,090 --> 00:50:21,540
what I've seen anyway, he's not
out there saying a violation of

787
00:50:21,540 --> 00:50:26,100
his privacy was was was done
here, that there was no privacy

788
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:29,670
act violation. So again, I just
want to kind of stress that

789
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:33,300
point, because that fuels so
much of that conspiracy fire

790
00:50:33,540 --> 00:50:38,370
that leads into people harassing
others like Kirkpatrick that,

791
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,890
you know, that little thing
called stigma that so many

792
00:50:40,890 --> 00:50:44,760
people want to go away? Well,
that kind of fuels that as well

793
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,120
that all you've got are a bunch
of loud people screaming all

794
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,420
these legal allegations and
stuff like that, when the bottom

795
00:50:51,420 --> 00:50:54,180
line is there isn't any. So
let's be a little bit more

796
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:57,360
responsible when people start
forwarding around those those

797
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,480
allegations. And again, credit
to Mr. Mellon, and I'll say

798
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,990
this, I've said it before, I'll
say it again, out of that whole

799
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:07,650
bunch, because I know I'm highly
critical of a lot of them. Just

800
00:51:07,650 --> 00:51:09,900
simply because there's a lot of
lack of evidence to a lot of the

801
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:13,350
claims. Mr. Mellon seems like
the most genuine, and I was

802
00:51:13,350 --> 00:51:17,580
happy to see the signal
messages. And yeah, it may have

803
00:51:17,580 --> 00:51:20,400
surprised him. But he says that
he wasn't offended, and I'm

804
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,640
happy to see that. But for
someone like me, it's supported.

805
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,930
Why I think that he is actually
one of the more genuine in that

806
00:51:27,930 --> 00:51:31,470
group, that yes, we all have
fumbles, we all have mistakes,

807
00:51:31,470 --> 00:51:35,520
we can all be nitpicked to
death, to try and be made to

808
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,330
look bad. But honestly, I really
do think melons, intentions are,

809
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,830
are genuine, I think they stem
from from something that we we

810
00:51:43,830 --> 00:51:47,160
may not have even heard of where
they stem from. But I do think

811
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,660
that I'll be at mistakes have
been made. I think that he's a

812
00:51:51,660 --> 00:51:55,170
genuine person. So kudos to him
for not flipping out about those

813
00:51:55,170 --> 00:51:59,130
signal messages, and also double
kudos to him for supporting

814
00:51:59,130 --> 00:52:03,540
transparency over secrecy.
Because what seems to me those

815
00:52:03,540 --> 00:52:07,500
that scream transparency and
demand at the loudest are the

816
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:10,590
ones that are continuing to gate
keep information from you as

817
00:52:10,590 --> 00:52:15,720
well. So really keep that in
mind. So anyway, moving on from

818
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:19,620
from from that, but that was one
thing that I wanted to tackle in

819
00:52:19,620 --> 00:52:22,860
this deep dive was were those
allegations because they became

820
00:52:22,860 --> 00:52:27,510
rampant against me. And again,
many were calling for me to be

821
00:52:27,540 --> 00:52:30,810
sued and how could I invade
privacy and stuff like that

822
00:52:30,810 --> 00:52:34,860
ridiculous. So one of the other
text messages that came up,

823
00:52:35,340 --> 00:52:38,580
again, going back to the
chronology here was in June 26.

824
00:52:38,580 --> 00:52:41,310
And not too long after the brunt
of the conversation between

825
00:52:41,310 --> 00:52:46,680
Kirkpatrick and Christopher
Mellon differences here. We

826
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,440
don't know who this particular
person is. If you match it up

827
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,690
with the memo, it's likely a
interviewee that they had an

828
00:52:54,690 --> 00:52:59,400
arrow on identified person but
the dates match up, says Do you

829
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,040
have a phone number and or email
for David grush. I'd like to

830
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,760
invite him in for an interview.
Not sure if this is Kirkpatrick

831
00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:10,020
or an arrow representative.
Again, for the memo says arrow

832
00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:13,380
staff, they would likely say
director if it was Kirkpatrick,

833
00:53:13,380 --> 00:53:16,200
but regardless, didn't have a
name, so I'm going to point that

834
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,540
out. I would like to invite him
in for an interview. The

835
00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:20,790
interviewee says yeah, but let
me ask him first he has bad

836
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:24,300
blood was Shawn going back to
2015? I'll tell him that only

837
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:28,320
you want to talk to him. And so
yeah, I mean, I'll correct

838
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,680
myself there. That's clear that
it's not Kirkpatrick doing the

839
00:53:31,770 --> 00:53:36,630
talking here. A lot of text
messages to keep straight here.

840
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:39,300
So I apologize for my mistake,
but yeah, obviously an arrow

841
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:42,930
staff member, interviewee or,
excuse me, the arrow person so

842
00:53:42,930 --> 00:53:45,570
it sounds like a plan. Thank
you. The interviewee says dang

843
00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:49,500
it. Dave will only say that
Shawn knows how to contact him.

844
00:53:49,530 --> 00:53:53,580
He rolls his eyes. There really
is bad blood was Shawn from

845
00:53:53,580 --> 00:53:56,310
Dave's perspective, the arrow
member says interesting

846
00:53:56,310 --> 00:54:00,690
response. Well, thanks for
checking, much appreciated, this

847
00:54:00,690 --> 00:54:04,230
reduction here is likely the
name much appreciated. So

848
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:09,000
obviously yet another attempt
shut down. That was June 26. And

849
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:14,280
June 27. That David grush This
is key was made aware and

850
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:19,410
refuses to chat. Now, Shawn
Kirkpatrick learned about the

851
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:24,120
the release of these documents,
and the release of that text

852
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,750
message and the public dialogue
now of this bad blood. So

853
00:54:27,930 --> 00:54:30,240
Stephen Green Street from the
New York Post who had a

854
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:35,280
connection with Kirkpatrick
Rumor has it that he did an

855
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,530
interview with him so that's
going to be airing on the New

856
00:54:37,530 --> 00:54:40,890
York Post's YouTube channel
soon. But that being said,

857
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,010
Greenstreet reached out to
Kirkpatrick asked him about the

858
00:54:44,010 --> 00:54:47,850
bad blood. Kirkpatrick responded
saying I barely knew grush he

859
00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:51,660
never worked for me. He briefed
me once that I can recall when I

860
00:54:51,660 --> 00:54:56,280
was deputy director of US Space
comm perhaps around 2019 I

861
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,920
believe he came in with Jay
Stratton to discuss starting

862
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,910
their research and The UAP Task
Force, I don't recall him prior

863
00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:07,380
to that time. I don't know any
more now than I did at that time

864
00:55:07,410 --> 00:55:10,140
of those messages what he's
talking about when he refers to

865
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:14,100
bad blood since 2015. I was on
assignment elsewhere at that

866
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:17,970
time, I had many people come to
briefed me. I also have a

867
00:55:17,970 --> 00:55:21,180
reputation for not suffering
fools. And when briefers come in

868
00:55:21,180 --> 00:55:25,320
ill prepared and deliver a
poorly thought, through thesis,

869
00:55:25,500 --> 00:55:28,800
I will pick out the flaws in the
argument. Perhaps he was one of

870
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:34,860
those. No idea. So I had no
relationship with grush. He

871
00:55:34,860 --> 00:55:37,920
never worked for me, the only
thing I recall was him coming

872
00:55:38,130 --> 00:55:41,730
with Stratton, I have no idea
what he's referring to. So that

873
00:55:41,730 --> 00:55:46,320
was Kirk, Patrick's response.
Now going back to the text

874
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,830
messages, this was another
signal back and forth, another

875
00:55:49,830 --> 00:55:54,330
person that is redacted. So we
don't know who this is. Blue is

876
00:55:54,330 --> 00:55:57,990
going to be Kirkpatrick, this
other person is in Greg grush,

877
00:55:57,990 --> 00:56:00,330
has made claims that he's
contacted us. And we've never

878
00:56:00,330 --> 00:56:03,270
responded, that's just not true.
He has also made claims that we

879
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:07,320
don't have access to investigate
his claims. That's also not

880
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,350
true. If I recall correctly, you
indicated he refused to come

881
00:56:10,350 --> 00:56:13,200
talk with us, I'd suggest you
emphasize the need to come speak

882
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,640
to us, given his false
statements and assertions. I

883
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:22,860
will, but why don't you call or
text him. I don't have contact

884
00:56:22,860 --> 00:56:26,250
info. And I can only contact
through the secure mechanism. So

885
00:56:26,250 --> 00:56:29,730
I'll need an email. Further,
Mellon is stating that he spoke

886
00:56:29,730 --> 00:56:32,130
with him and grush states that
arrow is not a lawfully

887
00:56:32,130 --> 00:56:36,450
empowered organization to
receive his info. This other

888
00:56:36,450 --> 00:56:40,920
person SMH or shakes my head.
I'll reach out and try to reach

889
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,670
grush this week, as well as
requesting an email. Then we've

890
00:56:44,670 --> 00:56:47,610
got a bunch of redacted B seven
e that's like law enforcement

891
00:56:47,610 --> 00:56:51,630
investigation exemption. This
unknown person, it's really a

892
00:56:51,630 --> 00:56:55,650
perfect example of why we need
arrow. No more redaction headed

893
00:56:55,650 --> 00:56:59,160
in Skiff Kirkpatrick well of
crushes lawyer successfully

894
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,860
makes the case that we aren't
lawfully empowered, there will

895
00:57:01,860 --> 00:57:05,760
be a lot less appetite to keep
arrow a lot of people focused on

896
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,690
this text message. I felt it was
snarkiness. That essentially

897
00:57:09,690 --> 00:57:13,680
sure the long shot that if he
proved that we were not

898
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,440
lawfully, meaning arrow was not
lawfully able to receive the

899
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,520
information, then arrow would go
away, essentially a good thing

900
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,970
to those that are doubting
arrows, legitimacy, so on and so

901
00:57:23,970 --> 00:57:27,390
forth. Other people tried to
read into that and spin it a

902
00:57:27,390 --> 00:57:32,310
different way. That's just how I
took it given Kirk Patrick's

903
00:57:32,790 --> 00:57:36,420
kind of tone throughout many of
the messages that we've already

904
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:41,880
gone through here. So you decide
what exactly he meant by that.

905
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:44,640
But I think it was just
essentially more of a challenge,

906
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,270
like look, it would be, it would
only behoove them to prove that

907
00:57:48,270 --> 00:57:51,960
we're either lying or not clear
to receive everything or

908
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,380
whatever, and we'll just go
away, which would be what that

909
00:57:55,380 --> 00:57:57,750
group would want. Anyway, if
they don't trust arrow, they

910
00:57:57,750 --> 00:58:01,050
don't want them around. So there
will be a lot less appetite to

911
00:58:01,050 --> 00:58:01,710
keep arrow.

912
00:58:03,810 --> 00:58:07,860
Now that conversation was 12 and
13, just like the melon

913
00:58:07,860 --> 00:58:11,700
conversation, and while reading
it, I kind of realized I won't

914
00:58:11,730 --> 00:58:13,980
go back on the slide, but I
think that that was pretty much

915
00:58:13,980 --> 00:58:17,220
a copy and paste of how he
started the conversation with

916
00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:20,760
melon the same way and I just
didn't realize it until I read

917
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,240
it out loud to you guys. So he
probably just, you know, copied

918
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,630
it from one to the other person
here. And then the dialogue

919
00:58:27,630 --> 00:58:33,090
spiraled elsewhere. Now jumped
to the 28th Kirkpatrick reaches

920
00:58:33,090 --> 00:58:37,020
out to him. Hey, what is Rubio
talking about? This kind of just

921
00:58:37,020 --> 00:58:40,890
makes me believe that this is
maybe a PSM maybe part of, you

922
00:58:40,890 --> 00:58:45,690
know, Rubio's crew or one of the
committees. So I don't know for

923
00:58:45,690 --> 00:58:48,600
sure. I'm sure someone else may
want to try and figure it out.

924
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,960
Or maybe they have figured it
out. But as I record this, I

925
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,780
just look at it seems like a
congressional staff member,

926
00:58:54,780 --> 00:58:57,300
something like that, because
obviously Kirkpatrick is now

927
00:58:57,300 --> 00:59:01,320
reaching out to him saying, what
is Rubio talking about? This

928
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,420
unknown person says he's
referring to previous witnesses

929
00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:05,580
that provide a testimony
regarding the cash crash

930
00:59:05,580 --> 00:59:08,490
retrieval program. Those
witnesses will not go to arrow

931
00:59:08,490 --> 00:59:11,070
they were asked to Kirkpatrick
do we have notes from their

932
00:59:11,070 --> 00:59:14,970
testimony and their program
names, owners anything I can

933
00:59:14,970 --> 00:59:20,640
verify? The unknown person I can
review and back in office on

934
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,270
vacation for a few more days.
Definitely a few program names.

935
00:59:25,380 --> 00:59:30,840
Now, we jumped to July 21. Great
job on the interview glad they

936
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,380
allowed it to happen. So
clearly. Now this is that one of

937
00:59:34,380 --> 00:59:37,440
the first interviews Kirkpatrick
had done, whoever this was

938
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,640
reached out congratulated him.
Kirkpatrick says thanks, still

939
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,730
need those alleged program
names. And this person says I'll

940
00:59:44,730 --> 00:59:49,710
talk to leadership and get back.
Let me see the Kirkpatrick

941
00:59:49,710 --> 00:59:52,890
response CNN was sent over
yesterday with one of my

942
00:59:52,920 --> 01:00:04,080
findings. I don't know what CNN
stood for. So you guys might be

943
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,860
able to Google that real fast.
I, to be honest with you forgot

944
01:00:07,860 --> 01:00:11,790
to look it up, but I don't know
what it stood for. Kirkpatrick

945
01:00:11,790 --> 01:00:15,000
continuously agreement, as I
recall was if someone came to

946
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,200
you all, we would be invited to
participate. So I can document

947
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:23,100
and investigate. That hasn't
happened. Yet, I've had you all

948
01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:26,640
over to participate. As it
stands, Congress is not enabling

949
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,910
us to actually do the job set in
law for us to do and is

950
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:33,930
withholding information from the
office, Congress sets up raises

951
01:00:33,930 --> 01:00:37,230
a lot of questions. So clearly,
Kirkpatrick is now snapping back

952
01:00:37,230 --> 01:00:40,740
clearly, this is somebody from
a, you know, congressional

953
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:46,650
committee or office, either
Rubio or someone else raises a

954
01:00:46,650 --> 01:00:49,020
lot of questions, he says, so he
just kind of feels like

955
01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:52,530
everybody's just not allowing
him to do the job that he was

956
01:00:52,530 --> 01:00:56,430
asked to do, or mandated to do.
This person comes back since you

957
01:00:56,430 --> 01:00:59,280
started interviewing, we've had
no one we didn't send your way.

958
01:00:59,460 --> 01:01:03,300
So that's just not true. So now
they're starting to have

959
01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:06,870
disagreements. That is the end
of those particular text

960
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:11,100
messages. Now, interesting time
light note, we all found out

961
01:01:11,130 --> 01:01:17,940
about David Gresham, the debrief
on June 5 2023. So I'm sticking

962
01:01:17,940 --> 01:01:20,580
with the same it's kind of
jumping around chronologically

963
01:01:20,580 --> 01:01:23,130
sticking with the same
conversations to make it easy to

964
01:01:23,130 --> 01:01:28,920
understand. But June 5 2023, is
when we all first heard about

965
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,130
David grush. In the public
sphere. Putting that into

966
01:01:32,130 --> 01:01:37,080
context with these next emails,
this begins to start really

967
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:41,220
shaping the picture of what
happened with an arrow after the

968
01:01:41,220 --> 01:01:45,540
debrief article first put David
grush, his name out there. Now,

969
01:01:45,540 --> 01:01:48,450
this is the Senate Armed
Services Committee staff member,

970
01:01:48,570 --> 01:01:52,290
you'll see in a couple emails
from now how we can deduce that

971
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,530
the name is redacted. The
picture here is going to be who

972
01:01:55,530 --> 01:01:58,650
the email is from. You'll see
it's fully redacted. But you'll

973
01:01:58,650 --> 01:02:01,290
see later on how we can
determine it was the staff

974
01:02:01,290 --> 01:02:05,520
member. The staff member says
Sean grush confirmed to me that

975
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,520
he does not intend to avail
himself of the arrow Safe Harbor

976
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,460
process to tell you what he
spent many hours telling the DoD

977
01:02:11,460 --> 01:02:15,360
IG, the IC IG and the two
Intelligence Committees about

978
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,960
UAP. He's reported through the
media in recent days that he was

979
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,530
not able to share some of the
information he has with the two

980
01:02:22,530 --> 01:02:25,800
Intelligence Committees because
they lacked the program access

981
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,160
he's assuming accurate media
reporting. That means that he

982
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:34,650
has either that he has told
either or both DoD ici G's about

983
01:02:34,650 --> 01:02:38,220
one or more saps that the Intel
committees are not access to.

984
01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:42,150
The Armed Services Committee are
not allowed by process rules to

985
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:44,790
interview Grosh about any of
this because the IC

986
01:02:44,790 --> 01:02:48,030
whistleblower process is tightly
controlled by the Intel

987
01:02:48,030 --> 01:02:52,470
committees. What this means is
that the DoD IC IG is no

988
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:56,190
something from grush. The
Congress as a whole is not aware

989
01:02:56,190 --> 01:03:00,150
of that as a reason for you to
go to the IGs and ask for access

990
01:03:00,330 --> 01:03:06,360
as they deem appropriate for you
to essentially see what Gresh is

991
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,840
reporting. If waived programs
are involved, there would need

992
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,050
to be a way for you to convey
this to our staff directors. But

993
01:03:13,050 --> 01:03:15,930
there is also just a basic
reason for you to try to get all

994
01:03:15,930 --> 01:03:20,580
the information that Gresh has
provided to the IGs. Now this

995
01:03:20,580 --> 01:03:23,700
gentleman chimes in this is
David Kozik. He's the director

996
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:27,300
of congressional activities for
the office of the Undersecretary

997
01:03:27,300 --> 01:03:32,100
of Defense for intelligence. He
says, weighing in, there's no

998
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:35,970
way in heck that DOD and IC IG
will give any third party raw

999
01:03:35,970 --> 01:03:39,960
information ever. IG
investigations are a blackbox

1000
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,350
for a reason, the best Shawn
will get from them as a filtered

1001
01:03:43,350 --> 01:03:47,670
report that the IG releases to
everyone. Bottom line, best

1002
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:51,330
course of action is still for
Mr. grush to speak to arrow per

1003
01:03:51,330 --> 01:03:55,710
their confidential process that
one Congress directed in law. If

1004
01:03:55,710 --> 01:03:58,920
he doesn't, I fear the best
assessment you will ever get

1005
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:04,320
from ero is a reflection of a
reflection. FYI, Shawn won't

1006
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:10,350
have an access problem. Ie he
has no SAP or cap restrictions.

1007
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:15,210
It's the IG divide. Of course,
if he did speak to the Intel

1008
01:04:15,210 --> 01:04:18,300
committees, they can always
provide their transcripts slash

1009
01:04:18,330 --> 01:04:22,530
notes to Shawn for his review,
my two cents. I underline this,

1010
01:04:22,530 --> 01:04:27,990
that's my emphasis has no SAP or
cap restrictions whatsoever.

1011
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:36,060
That is not subject dependent.
That was the internal line that

1012
01:04:36,060 --> 01:04:41,160
these guys knew was the case for
them, that there was nothing.

1013
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,990
Now why I say no subject
specific is David grush. felt

1014
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:48,960
that it may have been that it
was only UAP. And if it touched

1015
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:53,580
on a non UAP related sap that
connected to it. It didn't

1016
01:04:53,580 --> 01:04:57,360
matter. And that's what the DoD
s position was. I'm not here

1017
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,350
endorsing it. I'm just telling
you internally Everybody was on

1018
01:05:01,350 --> 01:05:04,980
the same page from the Office of
General Counsel to the director

1019
01:05:04,980 --> 01:05:10,500
of congressional activities, to
the arrow office, to ODNI. to

1020
01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:13,830
DOD, sabko. Everywhere, they
were all on the same page that

1021
01:05:13,830 --> 01:05:16,410
they could receive this
information. The only one that

1022
01:05:16,410 --> 01:05:19,770
seemingly was not and was
uncomfortable was David grush.

1023
01:05:19,950 --> 01:05:23,340
The only exception was what is
referenced here as the IG

1024
01:05:23,340 --> 01:05:27,690
divide. Essentially, what that
means in plain English is all of

1025
01:05:27,690 --> 01:05:30,630
that law enforcement
investigation, all of that

1026
01:05:31,590 --> 01:05:36,990
research that the IGs do, it is
cordoned off from everyone else

1027
01:05:36,990 --> 01:05:40,890
for a reason that way that they
can be independent and not worry

1028
01:05:40,890 --> 01:05:45,450
about their information going
somewhere else. But if Congress

1029
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,350
had transcripts or whatever,
from their interviews, they

1030
01:05:49,350 --> 01:05:53,910
could legally without any
problem whatsoever, take all of

1031
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:57,420
that and give it to arrow. It
seemed like from those messages

1032
01:05:57,420 --> 01:06:01,020
I read prior, that was the full
agreement that if somebody went

1033
01:06:01,020 --> 01:06:04,440
to Congress, Rubio's office, a
committee testified and closed

1034
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:08,070
behind closed doors, even in a
skiff in a classified setting,

1035
01:06:08,340 --> 01:06:12,660
that whatever was was was taken
from that, whatever information

1036
01:06:12,660 --> 01:06:15,060
they got. And they ended the
interview saying, I don't want

1037
01:06:15,060 --> 01:06:18,330
to go to arrow, that didn't
matter. That information could

1038
01:06:18,330 --> 01:06:21,570
then be given to arrow, they
were cleared to receive it, and

1039
01:06:21,570 --> 01:06:24,840
they can verify it, they can vet
it, that goes to the heart of

1040
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,620
what Kirkpatrick had texted,
saying, okay. Essentially, I'm

1041
01:06:28,620 --> 01:06:31,050
paraphrasing this, but
essentially, I don't care if

1042
01:06:31,050 --> 01:06:34,980
they're not going to come for
me. Come see me. Let's get

1043
01:06:34,980 --> 01:06:39,750
program names, dates, anything I
can verify. That too, was kind

1044
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:43,560
of spun in the social media
sphere. But I think it was just

1045
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:47,040
the two scientists, they just
want the details. They don't

1046
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,110
care about the personal
differences. It's the evidence

1047
01:06:49,110 --> 01:06:52,320
or the lack thereof. So is there
something that he can verify?

1048
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:55,440
And that's what he was looking
for. So if Congress could share

1049
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,820
that, then they would the only
divide was that invest? The

1050
01:06:59,820 --> 01:07:02,910
inspector general
investigations. That was it. So

1051
01:07:02,910 --> 01:07:06,930
this email also became key to
me. Just showing hey, look,

1052
01:07:06,990 --> 01:07:09,900
Kirkpatrick had unrestricted
access to at all

1053
01:07:11,220 --> 01:07:13,980
that unknown staff member comes
back really helpful. Dave,

1054
01:07:13,980 --> 01:07:16,890
thanks, did not know that
executive branch folks are in

1055
01:07:16,890 --> 01:07:20,160
the same boat. We are, will urge
grush to come through Shawn's

1056
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,920
portal. So here we are again in
June 7 from another

1057
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,790
congressional committee staff
member to go to the aero portal.

1058
01:07:26,820 --> 01:07:31,530
Sean Kirkpatrick now chimes in
all I did speak with the DoD IG,

1059
01:07:31,770 --> 01:07:36,210
they went on my behalf to the IC
IG to request the classified

1060
01:07:36,210 --> 01:07:42,210
transcript. Why? Because grush
gave nothing to the DoD IG and

1061
01:07:42,210 --> 01:07:46,680
claim the same thing he told you
that it was icy Compartmented

1062
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:51,600
Information and they couldn't
have it. The IC IG declined to

1063
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:56,700
acquiesce my request reminds me
of Jack Sparrow. I am fairly

1064
01:07:56,700 --> 01:07:59,280
confident I know what
compartments he is referring to

1065
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,760
because I did my job. But I
cannot confirm 100%. If he

1066
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:08,400
doesn't come see me. As David
COVID points out, the SSCI could

1067
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:12,870
give me the transcript. So here
he is now reinforcing that he

1068
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:16,260
can receive this from Congress.
But the more important part here

1069
01:08:16,350 --> 01:08:21,540
is even the DoD IG was not given
anything that according to them

1070
01:08:21,570 --> 01:08:25,650
to Kirkpatrick, they're saying,
yeah, he denied us kind of

1071
01:08:25,650 --> 01:08:31,140
anything to it would essentially
be with the IC IG. And they said

1072
01:08:31,170 --> 01:08:35,430
no, because they, as they put
it, put themselves in a black

1073
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:38,220
box for a reason. They don't
want anybody touching their

1074
01:08:38,220 --> 01:08:41,130
investigation. That's the whole
point of an inspector general.

1075
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,490
They don't want other offices
kind of peeking in and hearing

1076
01:08:44,490 --> 01:08:48,360
what they've what they've heard.
So what that information is, who

1077
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,840
knows. But if Congress heard
anything, the Senate heard

1078
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:57,420
anything, they could turn it
over. That unknown staff member

1079
01:08:57,420 --> 01:08:59,790
comes in. Sean press reports
indicate that he said he could

1080
01:08:59,790 --> 01:09:02,850
not provide everything he knows
to the Intel committees because

1081
01:09:02,850 --> 01:09:05,730
they were not cleared. So I
concluded that he had access to

1082
01:09:05,730 --> 01:09:09,690
some DoD sap that the Intel
committees are not access to and

1083
01:09:09,690 --> 01:09:14,280
inferred that the IC IG would
not have access either. So now

1084
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,760
he's kind of hinting that the IC
IG may be not again, this is

1085
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,580
kind of third hand information
through this email. But

1086
01:09:20,580 --> 01:09:23,760
regardless, even the Intel
committees were not access to

1087
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:27,750
certain information. So maybe he
denied them as well. So it seems

1088
01:09:27,750 --> 01:09:31,440
like grush wants to talk but
refuses to talk to everybody.

1089
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,740
Yet. Everybody's telling him
we're cleared. And I've said

1090
01:09:34,740 --> 01:09:38,550
this before, but I'll say it
again, in this section, here and

1091
01:09:38,580 --> 01:09:42,150
in this video, that I think that
an attorney would at this point,

1092
01:09:42,180 --> 01:09:46,350
have a field day. You have so
much unclassified information

1093
01:09:46,590 --> 01:09:50,700
that I got through FOIA little
old me and I'm a nobody. Any of

1094
01:09:50,700 --> 01:09:54,060
this would be available through
a discovery process or even

1095
01:09:54,060 --> 01:09:58,110
through a FOIA process for legal
counsel for David grush if they

1096
01:09:58,110 --> 01:10:01,320
went down that route, regardless
All of this information that I

1097
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:05,790
got was unclassified. And so you
have so much information that

1098
01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:09,930
internally through the DoD ODNI,
again, rattling off all those

1099
01:10:09,930 --> 01:10:12,960
offices and people that were
involved, that stated, they were

1100
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,380
telling Russia, you have zero
reservation here, you should

1101
01:10:16,380 --> 01:10:20,280
have zero reservation because
we're cleared. If they took any

1102
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:24,480
action against him whatsoever, a
lawyer would have a field day,

1103
01:10:24,540 --> 01:10:28,440
there's too much here. There's
just it's an overwhelming amount

1104
01:10:28,620 --> 01:10:32,370
of paper trail, that everybody
was on the same page, that arrow

1105
01:10:32,370 --> 01:10:35,700
could hear it. Was there some
legal gray area that somebody

1106
01:10:35,700 --> 01:10:39,690
could latch on to? I'm sure
there always is. But again, an

1107
01:10:39,690 --> 01:10:43,050
attorney would have a field day,
if they put all of these emails

1108
01:10:43,050 --> 01:10:46,740
in front of a judge and or jury
and said, Look, everybody was

1109
01:10:46,740 --> 01:10:50,760
telling my client that he was
free and clear to say things.

1110
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,120
Now you're telling me he goes in
there and says what they asked

1111
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:59,880
for, and he has these reprisals.
He has this whatever action

1112
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,930
against him criminal, whatever,
whatever he's fearing will

1113
01:11:03,930 --> 01:11:09,720
happen. If that happened,
there's no way that that that

1114
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,890
would pass. I'm sorry, I just
don't see it. I can see the

1115
01:11:13,890 --> 01:11:16,740
comments from my haters. Now,
John's not an attorney. You're

1116
01:11:16,740 --> 01:11:20,040
not grush. And he has this to
fear. Well, you know what he has

1117
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,850
fans in Congress in the Senate.
He's got people who support him.

1118
01:11:23,850 --> 01:11:27,450
He's got an incredibly powerful
and very intelligent attorney.

1119
01:11:27,570 --> 01:11:31,170
He's got very powerful people
that believe in him and back him

1120
01:11:31,380 --> 01:11:34,770
all of this information from
people that others will claim

1121
01:11:34,770 --> 01:11:37,860
don't like grush. Yet they're
saying the exact same thing.

1122
01:11:38,970 --> 01:11:43,200
Internally, there's no way I'm
sorry, I just don't see it. If

1123
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,830
it ever goes to court, I'd be
surprised. But regardless, I

1124
01:11:46,830 --> 01:11:49,800
think any attorney would have a
field day, there's absolutely

1125
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:54,960
too much evidence. Now back to
the June 7, communications back

1126
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,380
and forth, Kirkpatrick comes in.
Let me expand a bit I know

1127
01:11:58,380 --> 01:12:01,560
everything he meaning grush was
briefed to and had access to and

1128
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:05,430
have far greater access. So he
did not have access to some DoD

1129
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:09,810
SAP and the ice didn't have. And
if he did, he could have told

1130
01:12:09,810 --> 01:12:14,370
you. Similarly, he didn't have
access to some ice cap, a cap as

1131
01:12:14,370 --> 01:12:17,820
a controlled access program
versus a special access program.

1132
01:12:18,090 --> 01:12:22,230
That couldn't be shared. If he
found some program, he wouldn't

1133
01:12:22,230 --> 01:12:26,370
know whose it was unless he had
super user access, or someone

1134
01:12:26,370 --> 01:12:30,840
who did help him look it up. He
didn't. Therefore, he can't make

1135
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,800
the argument that whatever he
found, couldn't be shared. If he

1136
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,220
or others thought it was an
illegal program, then again, he

1137
01:12:38,220 --> 01:12:41,010
can't make the argument that it
couldn't be shared with either

1138
01:12:41,010 --> 01:12:45,210
the DOD, or the icy committees
based on his assertion, they

1139
01:12:45,210 --> 01:12:48,420
didn't have clearances. It
sounds very much like playing

1140
01:12:48,420 --> 01:12:54,240
the two halves against the
middle to hide something that

1141
01:12:54,270 --> 01:12:59,490
clearly now shows that if it was
illegal, and he was bringing

1142
01:12:59,490 --> 01:13:03,180
that that illegal aspect
forward, I interpret that that

1143
01:13:03,180 --> 01:13:06,630
he would have no restrictions
whatsoever, obviously,

1144
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:10,020
safeguarding the classified
portions of this, but if there

1145
01:13:10,020 --> 01:13:15,420
are a legal program, SAP cap or
otherwise, that there are no

1146
01:13:15,420 --> 01:13:17,760
restrictions. So what
Kirkpatrick is drilling home

1147
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,300
here is like, Hey, he's free to
tell us he's free to tell you

1148
01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:28,440
guys he's free to tell. But he's
clearly not unknown staff member

1149
01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:33,090
comes in tracking. Thanks,
Shawn. And then later that day,

1150
01:13:33,090 --> 01:13:35,490
he cannot tell the Armed
Services Committee staff

1151
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:39,030
anything once he entered the IG
process, were forbidden from

1152
01:13:39,060 --> 01:13:43,320
even asking. Furthermore, if a
wave SAP is involved, he could

1153
01:13:43,380 --> 01:13:47,460
not talk to the Armed Services
Committee staff about it because

1154
01:13:47,460 --> 01:13:55,050
we are not accessed. That was
June 8. Kirkpatrick that day, he

1155
01:13:55,050 --> 01:13:59,250
wouldn't know if it was waived
if he found it. And as I said, I

1156
01:13:59,250 --> 01:14:03,570
know what he actually what he
was actually briefed to. I've

1157
01:14:03,570 --> 01:14:07,440
been told by the Inspector
General, the UAP related

1158
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:11,820
investigation has been closed
for a year. He is free to tell

1159
01:14:11,820 --> 01:14:16,680
us and you're free to ask.
There's no excuse for not

1160
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,940
providing an authorized
disclosure. So he's drilling at

1161
01:14:20,940 --> 01:14:24,090
home to everybody on this
distribution list. That includes

1162
01:14:24,090 --> 01:14:27,330
the Armed Services Committee,
staff member, whomever that was

1163
01:14:27,540 --> 01:14:32,190
people within the DOD, and it
will my give the opportunity

1164
01:14:32,190 --> 01:14:35,040
that these are people outside
the DOD, who knows. But

1165
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,070
regardless, he's telling
everybody he's, he's free at

1166
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:43,980
this part. The key from this IG
the UAP, excuse me, according to

1167
01:14:43,980 --> 01:14:47,400
the IG, the UAP related
investigation was closed for a

1168
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,640
year. Now you'll see in the next
email, we don't know if that's

1169
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:55,860
the DoD OIG investigation, the
IC IG or both? Not really sure,

1170
01:14:55,860 --> 01:15:00,630
but clearly Kirkpatrick knew the
the INS on that into allegation

1171
01:15:00,690 --> 01:15:05,760
and had been closed since 2022.
That staff member comes back,

1172
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,970
you know how things work, he
could have heard that a PGM is

1173
01:15:08,970 --> 01:15:12,570
waived. Now PGM, I believe would
be the program guidance

1174
01:15:12,570 --> 01:15:16,770
memorandum to something. So that
he felt, you know, through that

1175
01:15:16,770 --> 01:15:20,880
memo that something was a way of
SAP. Again, interesting insight

1176
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,390
here that the staff member from
the Armed Services Committee,

1177
01:15:24,540 --> 01:15:27,750
and Kirkpatrick now are kind of
going back and forth, because

1178
01:15:27,780 --> 01:15:31,830
they're trying to figure out
exactly what's going on. But

1179
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:36,000
PGM, I believe, is that program
guidance memorandum? And the

1180
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,030
staff member goes on? What do
you mean by you're free to ask?

1181
01:15:39,540 --> 01:15:44,100
That one I thought was pretty
self explanatory, meaning the IG

1182
01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:47,730
investigations were closed. And
given all the facts that

1183
01:15:47,730 --> 01:15:51,000
Kirkpatrick had laid out there,
the congressional committees

1184
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:55,590
could press for answers and ask
David grush for the details. The

1185
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:58,530
second part, though, was a good
question, what UAP related IG

1186
01:15:58,530 --> 01:16:02,310
investigation, are you referring
to the one on grush, or the

1187
01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:07,140
broader review that was
unanswered, at least in the

1188
01:16:07,140 --> 01:16:10,980
course of this foyer release? I
have gone after that string of

1189
01:16:10,980 --> 01:16:14,550
emails as well. So hopefully,
we'll go ahead and get more

1190
01:16:14,580 --> 01:16:19,620
insight at a later date. But
regardless, I mean, it seemed

1191
01:16:19,620 --> 01:16:23,670
that key Inspector General,
investigation was closed,

1192
01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:29,010
likely. This is just to guess
the IC IG side because it was

1193
01:16:29,010 --> 01:16:33,900
specific to grush. But we'll
we'll see aggression as claims

1194
01:16:33,900 --> 01:16:38,220
of the programs and so on. So
we'll see. But I'm just guessing

1195
01:16:38,220 --> 01:16:38,850
at that point.

1196
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:47,010
Now, July 26 2023, this took
place. This was the

1197
01:16:47,010 --> 01:16:51,300
congressional UAP hearing in
which David grush appeared. Now

1198
01:16:51,300 --> 01:16:53,760
let me go ahead and play this
clip for you. So you can hear

1199
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:59,070
exactly what David grush said.
Now, keep in mind, this is July

1200
01:16:59,070 --> 01:17:03,270
26. A lot of what we went over
was in June. So like six weeks

1201
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:06,480
prior, all those different
people that aro had reached out

1202
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:10,770
to trying to get involved with
with grush. The Bad Blood

1203
01:17:10,770 --> 01:17:14,760
comments. Clearly grush was
talking to arrow staff members

1204
01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:18,660
that and he was stating that
there was bad blood between him

1205
01:17:18,660 --> 01:17:21,570
that he did not want to come in.
There were a lot of denials.

1206
01:17:21,690 --> 01:17:23,610
This is what he said under oath.
Okay,

1207
01:17:23,610 --> 01:17:25,350
Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna: on
the 19th of April, Dr.

1208
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:28,830
Kirkpatrick, head of Arrow had
said that he did not find any

1209
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:32,100
evidence of UAPs. You also
stated that you had in your

1210
01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:34,560
interview that you briefed him
on information that you are

1211
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:38,130
uncovering, but that he did not
follow up with you. Were the

1212
01:17:38,130 --> 01:17:41,280
items that you divulge to him
pertinent to national security.

1213
01:17:42,150 --> 01:17:45,600
David Grusch: Yes, him and I had
a classified conversation April

1214
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:52,080
2022. Before he took over arrow
in July to 2022. And I provided

1215
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:53,490
him some concerns I had,

1216
01:17:54,030 --> 01:17:55,110
Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna: do
you know why he might not have

1217
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:55,890
fallen up with you?

1218
01:17:57,540 --> 01:17:59,550
David Grusch: Up, I
unfortunately cannot read his

1219
01:17:59,550 --> 01:18:03,510
mind. I wish he did was I was
happy to give sage counsel to

1220
01:18:03,510 --> 01:18:06,870
him on where to look when he
took the helm of Arrow.

1221
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,460
John Greenewald: Happy to give
sage counsel when he took the

1222
01:18:08,460 --> 01:18:13,890
helm of arrow. Now we've already
gone through a lot of attempts

1223
01:18:13,890 --> 01:18:17,190
to get to him. And we've already
gone through the numerous people

1224
01:18:17,190 --> 01:18:20,940
that said grush refuses to talk
to you. We already went through

1225
01:18:20,940 --> 01:18:23,970
that bad blood comment that
Kirkpatrick has no idea what

1226
01:18:23,970 --> 01:18:27,990
he's talking about. He never
mentions that here said that

1227
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:31,110
they had a classified
conversation prior. But he never

1228
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:35,310
followed up meaning Kirkpatrick
never reached out. I will let

1229
01:18:35,310 --> 01:18:38,460
you guys decide on whether or
not that was misleading. That

1230
01:18:38,460 --> 01:18:41,520
was under oath. That was
something that he said to

1231
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:45,930
Congresswoman Luna when she was
asking about him not following

1232
01:18:45,930 --> 01:18:50,370
up with David grush. So when you
look at all those attempts, is

1233
01:18:50,370 --> 01:18:55,200
that true? Is it false? Is it
semantics? Is he ignoring

1234
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,500
important facts? always
interested in your comments

1235
01:18:58,500 --> 01:19:02,970
posted below behind? So we're
gonna fast forward now from that

1236
01:19:02,970 --> 01:19:08,940
July 26 Hearing to the October
31 2023. roundtable. And this

1237
01:19:08,940 --> 01:19:12,870
was a controversial roundtable
simply because Kirkpatrick held

1238
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:19,530
it invite only and it was off
camera and only certain people

1239
01:19:19,530 --> 01:19:25,110
were asked to attend. Others
like Stephen Green Street I know

1240
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:29,040
posted about it. There were a
couple others as well tried to

1241
01:19:29,070 --> 01:19:33,360
get access to it. And they were
declined that they wanted to

1242
01:19:33,390 --> 01:19:36,180
essentially keep it small. Why
it sounds like you're

1243
01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:39,420
controlling a narrative. I do
have an open case for the

1244
01:19:39,420 --> 01:19:42,780
invitations that went out and
who they went to. So we'll we'll

1245
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,810
we'll see who exactly was
invited. I don't think that will

1246
01:19:45,810 --> 01:19:49,950
be exempt. So that being said,
in this media roundtable

1247
01:19:51,420 --> 01:19:54,270
Kirkpatrick was asked
specifically about David grush.

1248
01:19:54,270 --> 01:19:57,090
The question was so David grush.
The whistleblower came forward

1249
01:19:57,090 --> 01:20:00,000
to news nation says he reached
out to you to share his this

1250
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,240
debris and that you didn't
follow up. So did you follow up

1251
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,850
and investigate his claims? He
says he still hasn't heard from

1252
01:20:05,850 --> 01:20:09,390
you. So ultimately, why haven't
you to connect it? Dr.

1253
01:20:09,390 --> 01:20:12,660
Kirkpatrick says So Mr. grush,
since arrow has stood up, and

1254
01:20:12,660 --> 01:20:15,990
since I've been director has not
come to see us and provided any

1255
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:19,770
information member Kirkpatrick
already said prior to taking

1256
01:20:19,770 --> 01:20:23,130
over arrow, he met with Jay
Stratton and David grush. So

1257
01:20:23,130 --> 01:20:26,580
that absolutely is true. Since
arrow stood up grush has been

1258
01:20:26,580 --> 01:20:29,760
nowhere to be found the follow
up question and so he's always

1259
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,820
says that he briefed you before
you assumed your position and

1260
01:20:32,820 --> 01:20:36,120
arrow. Have you had the chance
to follow up on any of the

1261
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:39,300
inquiries that he made or talked
to any of the witnesses?

1262
01:20:39,540 --> 01:20:42,150
Kirkpatrick says, so the last
time I believe I spoke with Mr.

1263
01:20:42,150 --> 01:20:45,540
grush was when I was with Jay to
at US Space Command about five

1264
01:20:45,540 --> 01:20:48,630
years ago, and it was not on
this topic. Now. We have

1265
01:20:48,630 --> 01:20:52,020
interviewed a whole range of
people over 30 people now, I

1266
01:20:52,020 --> 01:20:54,510
think we've interviewed most of
the people that he may have

1267
01:20:54,510 --> 01:20:57,690
talked to, but we don't know
that. And we've extended an

1268
01:20:57,690 --> 01:21:01,650
invitation at least four or five
times now, for him to come in

1269
01:21:01,650 --> 01:21:06,300
over the last eight months or
so. And and has been declined.

1270
01:21:07,290 --> 01:21:11,610
That was key. That was that was
Kirkpatrick saying we've tried.

1271
01:21:11,850 --> 01:21:14,820
We keep reaching out. And we've
gone over some of those

1272
01:21:14,820 --> 01:21:19,650
attempts. The documentation is
there. This was October 31. As I

1273
01:21:19,650 --> 01:21:23,700
mentioned, that night news
nation who has been following

1274
01:21:23,700 --> 01:21:27,720
the story, obviously, they did
Ross cold hearts interview with

1275
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:32,160
an error that on news nation.
They did a follow up story that

1276
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:36,300
night, the same night that this
roundtable took place, contacted

1277
01:21:36,300 --> 01:21:40,800
David grush and Gresh stated, I
have zero emails or calls from

1278
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:46,080
them. That is a lie. Now, people
are trying to mince words here.

1279
01:21:46,410 --> 01:21:51,090
Well, zero emails or calls from
them. Technically, that's true,

1280
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:55,830
that there was no direct email
because arrow, according to the

1281
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:59,850
documentation, and albeit
incredibly silly, didn't have an

1282
01:21:59,850 --> 01:22:03,570
email address for him. No one
would share it with them. And he

1283
01:22:03,570 --> 01:22:07,800
didn't have any phone number to
use, hence why aro didn't call

1284
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:11,910
David grush directly. So that
part is technically true. But is

1285
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:16,080
it fair? You see all of the
invitations that David grush had

1286
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:20,190
gotten, and it was David grush.
His refusal not to give his

1287
01:22:20,220 --> 01:22:24,180
email address, not to give his
phone number because of the bad

1288
01:22:24,180 --> 01:22:28,170
blood was Shaun Kirkpatrick that
he kept denying it through the

1289
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:32,070
the congressional staff member
and whoever arrow interviewed,

1290
01:22:32,190 --> 01:22:35,730
obviously redacted names in the
documents, but regardless, all

1291
01:22:35,730 --> 01:22:40,170
connected to David grush. Now if
all of that is a fabricated lie,

1292
01:22:40,530 --> 01:22:43,560
then I would imagine by the time
I've recorded this video that

1293
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:47,400
David grush through either Ross
Coltart and news nation, or the

1294
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:51,240
debrief where he's been before,
or you know, find someone else

1295
01:22:51,540 --> 01:22:54,360
to put out a statement going,
Whoa, that like that never

1296
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:58,410
happened. I never got in touch.
Now, I do know that this story

1297
01:22:58,410 --> 01:23:01,860
has reached David grush. And I
do No, he's not too happy about

1298
01:23:01,860 --> 01:23:08,760
it. Why didn't he say anything
on October 31? Why didn't he

1299
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:14,310
say, look, I wasn't specifically
contacted by by Kirkpatrick. But

1300
01:23:14,820 --> 01:23:17,970
even if I was I've already
declined their invitation from

1301
01:23:17,970 --> 01:23:21,480
their staff members or whomever?
There should have been some kind

1302
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:24,900
of elaboration here in the
interest of transparency, that

1303
01:23:24,900 --> 01:23:29,850
arrow has tried. But if
Kirkpatrick does whatever to

1304
01:23:29,850 --> 01:23:35,790
upset grudge in the past, and
that's still there, say it, this

1305
01:23:35,790 --> 01:23:38,970
is your opportunity. But
instead, this is the statement,

1306
01:23:38,970 --> 01:23:43,440
I have zero emails or calls from
him. That is a lie. Well, is it

1307
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:48,510
again, you guys decide, but it's
really weird to see it all laid

1308
01:23:48,510 --> 01:23:54,240
out on a timeline. Now, that was
October 31. Now 10 days later on

1309
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:58,260
November 10. Now, David grush
reaches out to arrow Good

1310
01:23:58,260 --> 01:24:02,610
morning. This is for redacted
name for coordination purposes.

1311
01:24:02,910 --> 01:24:06,900
Please give me a call to discuss
conditions and admin items. And

1312
01:24:06,900 --> 01:24:09,750
then in parentheses, or excuse
me, in a redacted square, it's

1313
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:15,210
likely his phone number. Now
it's on the record. Now he's now

1314
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:19,830
arrows got his email address and
phone number. The next email was

1315
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:24,540
November 13. Clearly from some
time in between the 10th and the

1316
01:24:24,540 --> 01:24:28,830
13th. What is likely a telephone
conversation took place between

1317
01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:32,820
this staff member and David
grush. And this November 13,

1318
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:36,930
early in the morning 813 email
states Mr. grush. Attached are

1319
01:24:36,930 --> 01:24:40,530
the two items we spoke about the
verbal legal advisement that we

1320
01:24:40,530 --> 01:24:43,800
review prior to the start of
every interview, and the

1321
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:47,220
memorandum for record from
sabko. That makes it clear that

1322
01:24:47,220 --> 01:24:50,700
ero can receive Compartmented
Information from interviewees.

1323
01:24:50,910 --> 01:24:54,540
Our address is and it's
redacted. I will meet you in the

1324
01:24:54,540 --> 01:24:59,700
lobby. See you tomorrow at 10.
So, obviously, in the course of

1325
01:24:59,700 --> 01:25:03,690
their calm versation they spoke
about those two items. David

1326
01:25:03,690 --> 01:25:07,950
Gresh agreed to show up that
next morning. So it was t minus

1327
01:25:07,980 --> 01:25:14,430
25 and almost 26 hours. And that
was it. Everything was all set.

1328
01:25:14,730 --> 01:25:18,180
Now I don't have the verbal
legal advisement, because that

1329
01:25:18,180 --> 01:25:21,390
was not provided in the foyer
release. I have filed a case for

1330
01:25:21,390 --> 01:25:24,360
that, because I'm curious, what
are they telling every interview

1331
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,150
so it wasn't specific to Grosh.
It was every interview, I want

1332
01:25:27,150 --> 01:25:32,340
to see whatever that verbal
legal advisement that we, that

1333
01:25:32,340 --> 01:25:35,880
they review. So they may do it
verbally, but obviously it's a

1334
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:39,420
script of some kind. I'm going
after it. However, the MFR from

1335
01:25:39,420 --> 01:25:43,410
sabko was there that would be
this I'll spare you reading the

1336
01:25:43,410 --> 01:25:46,110
whole thing. I will read the
highlighted passage, which is

1337
01:25:46,110 --> 01:25:49,320
the most important
representatives of the all

1338
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:53,100
domain anomaly research or
excuse me resolution office, are

1339
01:25:53,100 --> 01:25:55,800
authorized to speak to persons
and or conducting interviews of

1340
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:59,100
persons that currently have or
previously had access to

1341
01:25:59,100 --> 01:26:01,680
sensitive US Government
Information activities and or

1342
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:05,010
materials. Individuals with
current or previous access to

1343
01:26:05,010 --> 01:26:08,490
unidentified aerial phenomena
related information, which is

1344
01:26:08,490 --> 01:26:11,310
subject to US government non
disclosure agreement are

1345
01:26:11,310 --> 01:26:14,430
authorized to provide this
otherwise protected information

1346
01:26:14,670 --> 01:26:20,940
to ero representatives. So those
NDAs that are often fallen back

1347
01:26:20,940 --> 01:26:25,020
on by not only David grush, but
others, security clearances, so

1348
01:26:25,020 --> 01:26:29,190
on and so forth. This spells it
out from Major General David ABA

1349
01:26:29,940 --> 01:26:36,480
of the DoD Special Access
Programs Office, or sabko. You

1350
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:41,670
can't get more clear than that.
Again, any attorney would love a

1351
01:26:41,670 --> 01:26:44,490
memo like that to use. You'll
see later though there's

1352
01:26:44,490 --> 01:26:49,020
actually another one that used
from ODNI. To support that arrow

1353
01:26:49,050 --> 01:26:53,220
was absolutely clear to hear
everything. So that was sent to

1354
01:26:53,250 --> 01:26:58,770
David grush. Now, November 13,
same day, this is in the

1355
01:26:58,770 --> 01:27:01,620
afternoon. Good morning,
redacted name. Thank you for

1356
01:27:01,620 --> 01:27:07,290
sending these items as a former
agency level sat mo I think even

1357
01:27:07,290 --> 01:27:11,070
sabko and cavco. I take security
policies very seriously. In the

1358
01:27:11,070 --> 01:27:15,900
DoD sabko memo, the term UA P
related is not defined. Fiscal

1359
01:27:15,900 --> 01:27:20,370
Year 2023 NDAA, section 1673.
Subsection B defines it as the

1360
01:27:20,370 --> 01:27:23,760
following quote, any activity or
programs by a department or

1361
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,400
agency of the federal
government, or a contractor have

1362
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,850
such a department or agency
relating to UAP, including with

1363
01:27:29,850 --> 01:27:33,030
respect to material retrieval,
material analysis, reverse

1364
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:35,730
engineering, research and
development, detection and

1365
01:27:35,730 --> 01:27:38,430
tracking developmental or
operational testing, and

1366
01:27:38,430 --> 01:27:40,890
security protections and
enforcement.

1367
01:27:42,450 --> 01:27:44,640
The key issue here is that many
of these activities have

1368
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,860
conventional classified or
compartmented security

1369
01:27:46,860 --> 01:27:50,730
classification guides that also
cover non UAP activities as

1370
01:27:50,730 --> 01:27:54,270
well. To discuss the UAP related
activities will also expose

1371
01:27:54,270 --> 01:27:57,540
these conventional SAP mission
areas. An oral history interview

1372
01:27:57,540 --> 01:28:01,620
subject must also be absolved of
this obligation to protect this

1373
01:28:01,620 --> 01:28:06,030
information as well. Some of it
may be bigoted or waived, and

1374
01:28:06,030 --> 01:28:10,110
then he cites the DoD
Instruction. Furthermore, as

1375
01:28:10,110 --> 01:28:13,530
discussed Friday, I'm seeking an
ODNI cavco determination to

1376
01:28:13,530 --> 01:28:16,530
absolve an oral history
interview subject of any NDAs

1377
01:28:16,530 --> 01:28:21,180
relating to UAP related and
adjacent IC cap information.

1378
01:28:21,210 --> 01:28:24,240
Additionally, in my particular
case, in order to horizontally

1379
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:27,600
protect a portion of my oral
history, testimony previously

1380
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,450
provided to IC IG and the
intelligence committees, we

1381
01:28:30,450 --> 01:28:33,960
would need to conduct the
interview at the HCS operation o

1382
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:41,400
restricted handling level. Has
the CIA Office of Security or

1383
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,550
Directorate of operations
provided a memo in this regard

1384
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:48,180
for oral history interview
subjects? Has the OS provided a

1385
01:28:48,180 --> 01:28:51,600
memo to also cover manage need
to know projects not directly

1386
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:55,590
reported to ODNI cavco? Lastly,
what sign policy does arrow have

1387
01:28:55,590 --> 01:29:00,690
to receive nontidal 10. saps, ie
do your NFC as the EOP NFC

1388
01:29:00,690 --> 01:29:03,840
security director, director,
national program management

1389
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:09,900
staff Oh USD ins or doe sabko or
SAP OG provided a a memo similar

1390
01:29:10,140 --> 01:29:14,250
to the DoD sabko memory you
provided. What an absolute

1391
01:29:14,250 --> 01:29:19,320
mouthful to go over, but it just
seems like things were addressed

1392
01:29:19,380 --> 01:29:24,330
with, you know, the sabko memo
from from DOD. And then just

1393
01:29:24,330 --> 01:29:29,490
like all these other things come
out later. So we're, we're,

1394
01:29:29,490 --> 01:29:32,010
we're all these questions, and
we don't know we're not privy to

1395
01:29:32,010 --> 01:29:35,250
the telephone conversation. But
where were these questions in

1396
01:29:35,250 --> 01:29:38,010
that telephone conversation?
Where were these questions when

1397
01:29:38,010 --> 01:29:41,250
he initiated contact? Because,
again, we know he's had legal

1398
01:29:41,250 --> 01:29:44,670
counsel for quite some time. And
I'll say it again, a very

1399
01:29:44,670 --> 01:29:49,290
powerful and very intelligent
one at that. So why weren't

1400
01:29:49,290 --> 01:29:53,070
these handled before they set
up? The meeting and I'm not

1401
01:29:53,070 --> 01:29:56,520
really sure about that. But the
response from the arrow person

1402
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,220
was Mr. grush. The law is clear
and that we can receive

1403
01:29:59,220 --> 01:30:02,280
information all classification
levels we can discuss when you

1404
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:08,460
come in. So that's where they
have left it. Until we get to

1405
01:30:08,460 --> 01:30:13,800
the morning of November 14, the
day of the meeting 10:34am

1406
01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:17,100
meeting was at 10. I've been
waiting in the lobby for over

1407
01:30:17,490 --> 01:30:20,940
been late waiting in the lobby
over 30 minutes. Are you showing

1408
01:30:20,940 --> 01:30:28,590
up? So clearly stands them up
doesn't even show up. And arrow

1409
01:30:28,590 --> 01:30:32,610
was, was clear that they could
talk it all over now, in

1410
01:30:32,610 --> 01:30:37,320
fairness to this, I mean, I want
to be fair here. He never made

1411
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,390
it clear. David Grace never made
it clear. He wasn't going to

1412
01:30:39,390 --> 01:30:43,890
show up. But what would be the
harm is if you show up, and then

1413
01:30:43,890 --> 01:30:46,350
say, Look, I need answers to
these questions. Maybe they'll

1414
01:30:46,350 --> 01:30:49,830
have somebody from OGC there
from the general counsel office,

1415
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:54,270
to say, Well, we're here to to
Absolutely. address your

1416
01:30:54,270 --> 01:30:58,350
concerns, or, or something, you
could easily just say, forget

1417
01:30:58,350 --> 01:31:02,760
it, I'm out. Why would you just
not even show I mean, you're,

1418
01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:06,510
you know, they're not going to
torture you to, to say anything.

1419
01:31:06,510 --> 01:31:10,950
So that part was very confusing
to me, to where you you go all

1420
01:31:10,950 --> 01:31:13,560
the way to set it up, then the
night prior, the day prior, you

1421
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:17,370
have all these new questions,
then just don't even show up.

1422
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:20,760
And then you say this arrow
staff with due respect, I will

1423
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,100
need answers to my questions
before I will be comfortable

1424
01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:26,160
meeting, please provide
responses so that we can

1425
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,590
hopefully move forward and
schedule the meeting. The law

1426
01:31:28,590 --> 01:31:31,350
may grant your office need to
know but does not establish

1427
01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:34,110
policies and procedures with
various data owners. I've

1428
01:31:34,110 --> 01:31:36,960
managed multicompartment
activities throughout my career,

1429
01:31:37,140 --> 01:31:40,650
my entire career and multiple
dcsa security professional

1430
01:31:40,650 --> 01:31:43,410
certifications. I did not ask
these questions for mere

1431
01:31:43,410 --> 01:31:48,270
curiosity. That's all fine. He's
got an amazing background. So I

1432
01:31:48,270 --> 01:31:51,300
would never go head to head on
him with national security

1433
01:31:51,300 --> 01:31:56,130
knowledge. I totally get that.
But from an outsider looking in

1434
01:31:56,130 --> 01:31:59,100
and seeing this, there's
absolutely no reason he should

1435
01:31:59,100 --> 01:32:01,470
have stood him up. He should
have marched in there with his

1436
01:32:01,470 --> 01:32:06,120
attorney demand answers. Because
in the interest of of that, I

1437
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:09,090
think Mr. Mellon put it in one
of his text messages. He was

1438
01:32:09,090 --> 01:32:12,630
encouraging him to try and play
ball with arrow in the interest

1439
01:32:12,630 --> 01:32:17,040
of that, go see what you know,
what are you going to be met

1440
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:20,850
with? And then if you're not
comfortable, just say, sorry,

1441
01:32:20,850 --> 01:32:23,820
I'm out and then get up and go.
There's nothing that would stop

1442
01:32:23,820 --> 01:32:28,620
him. He's not subpoena. He's not
in cuffs. So what's going on? It

1443
01:32:28,620 --> 01:32:33,780
just didn't make sense to me at
all. Their response, Mr. grush,

1444
01:32:33,780 --> 01:32:36,090
we received your email we get
back to you shortly. That was

1445
01:32:36,090 --> 01:32:40,050
November 14. Thank you. This is
from David gross. Thank you. I

1446
01:32:40,050 --> 01:32:43,080
apologize for the confusion this
morning about my whereabouts. I

1447
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:46,200
should have been more clear in
my email on Monday. You know,

1448
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,410
credit to him for apologizing.
But, again, all my questions

1449
01:32:49,410 --> 01:32:54,510
still stands. Now, this was sent
November 15. This was the next

1450
01:32:54,510 --> 01:32:57,960
day I put it here. It was part
of that string of emails I read

1451
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:02,910
earlier. What Sean Kirkpatrick
did at that time that morning

1452
01:33:02,910 --> 01:33:09,060
after grush stood them up. He
forwarded that whole string of

1453
01:33:09,060 --> 01:33:13,260
emails to someone we don't know
who and Kirkpatrick says further

1454
01:33:13,260 --> 01:33:16,890
records, please save. Note the
opening paragraph at the

1455
01:33:16,890 --> 01:33:21,390
beginning of this email thread
from redacted name. What he's

1456
01:33:21,390 --> 01:33:25,470
doing here, whomever he's
sending it to, he's making sure

1457
01:33:25,470 --> 01:33:29,370
they have record of everything.
Now, DOD record retention

1458
01:33:29,370 --> 01:33:33,630
schedule should stipulate that
all Kirkpatrick material is

1459
01:33:33,660 --> 01:33:38,610
saved anyway. But who he sent it
to? That's kind of key to

1460
01:33:38,610 --> 01:33:41,850
understanding what he's setting
up here. He's obviously doing

1461
01:33:41,850 --> 01:33:45,540
this for a reason. He obviously
has alarm bells going off that

1462
01:33:45,540 --> 01:33:48,990
grush says, Yeah, I'll come in,
and then never shows, and then

1463
01:33:48,990 --> 01:33:52,440
has all of these security
concerns. Something was being

1464
01:33:52,440 --> 01:33:56,760
set up. Something got triggered
on November 15. For Kirkpatrick

1465
01:33:56,760 --> 01:34:00,600
to say, okay, here, we're going
to save everything. And so he

1466
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:03,750
sent it to an unknown
individual. Fast forward to the

1467
01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:07,710
19th arrow got back to David
grush. I believe it's a

1468
01:34:07,710 --> 01:34:11,310
different person, not the one he
was talking to that set up the

1469
01:34:11,310 --> 01:34:14,970
meeting. I believe that it was
someone else simply because of

1470
01:34:14,970 --> 01:34:18,240
the way that it was signed, and
you look at the indentation.

1471
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:22,380
That's where minutiae matters is
because then you can all be it.

1472
01:34:22,380 --> 01:34:25,140
You can't figure out the name of
the person. Now we know it's

1473
01:34:25,140 --> 01:34:29,070
someone else that got involved.
And they stay we invite you to

1474
01:34:29,070 --> 01:34:32,010
speak to arrow regarding any US
government programs or

1475
01:34:32,010 --> 01:34:37,200
activities related to UAP dating
back to 1945. In accordance with

1476
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,750
the National Defense
Authorization Act for Fiscal

1477
01:34:39,750 --> 01:34:43,560
Year 2023. Arrow is authorized
to receive any information

1478
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:46,500
related to UAP regardless of
classification, and

1479
01:34:46,500 --> 01:34:49,470
notwithstanding any non
disclosure agreement you may

1480
01:34:49,470 --> 01:34:54,090
have signed, we would be glad to
meet you in a skiff so that you

1481
01:34:54,090 --> 01:34:58,110
could share information with us.
So whoever that was, was

1482
01:34:58,110 --> 01:35:02,490
essentially putting it out
there. that you have the

1483
01:35:02,490 --> 01:35:06,750
standing invite. It's cleared.
We're cleared the balls in your

1484
01:35:06,750 --> 01:35:11,070
court. November 19. Thank you
for your email, David gross says

1485
01:35:11,100 --> 01:35:13,980
I had expressed specific
concerns both directly via email

1486
01:35:13,980 --> 01:35:17,280
and through counsel. And those
specific concerns have not yet

1487
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:20,310
been addressed in writing.
Please reference those emails in

1488
01:35:20,310 --> 01:35:25,020
this chain key for someone like
me. He expressed them through

1489
01:35:25,020 --> 01:35:28,860
email, we saw that He also
expressed them through counsel,

1490
01:35:28,980 --> 01:35:31,800
I haven't seen that. Which means
that there's probably more to

1491
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,830
this email chain and more to
these communications, you better

1492
01:35:34,830 --> 01:35:38,010
believe I'm going after it. And
the reason is, is because I want

1493
01:35:38,010 --> 01:35:41,160
to see the dates where did they
land on the timeline? You know,

1494
01:35:41,190 --> 01:35:43,500
what, what happened there. So
you always look for little

1495
01:35:43,500 --> 01:35:48,570
pickups like that to kind of
build off of. So he tells arrow

1496
01:35:48,570 --> 01:35:51,150
to go ahead and reference those
questions, Mr. Gresh, during our

1497
01:35:51,150 --> 01:35:54,810
conversation on November
1020 23. So notice, it's going

1498
01:35:54,810 --> 01:35:58,650
back to likely the telephone
conversation, no indentation, so

1499
01:35:58,650 --> 01:36:01,710
we're probably back to that
other person. We discussed your

1500
01:36:01,710 --> 01:36:04,140
comfort level with relaying
sensitive information to arrow

1501
01:36:04,140 --> 01:36:06,780
and the possibility of Arrow
obtaining a memo from Capco that

1502
01:36:06,780 --> 01:36:10,590
clearly states that arrow can
receive cap information similar

1503
01:36:10,590 --> 01:36:14,850
to the sabko memo I provided you
attached is that memo from ODNI

1504
01:36:14,850 --> 01:36:19,440
Capco note the date here January
8, so we've jumped ahead quite a

1505
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:24,540
bit, but arrow is trying to get
and appease what David grush had

1506
01:36:24,540 --> 01:36:28,650
requested in his list. Again, I
want to reiterate that in

1507
01:36:28,650 --> 01:36:31,410
accordance with the National
Defense Authorization as fiscal

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01:36:31,410 --> 01:36:34,770
year 2023, arrow is authorized
to receive any information

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01:36:34,770 --> 01:36:38,010
related to UAP regardless of
classification, and

1510
01:36:38,010 --> 01:36:40,560
notwithstanding any
nondisclosure agreement, you may

1511
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:43,650
have signed our invitation to
discuss possible US government

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01:36:43,650 --> 01:36:47,970
programs, events, or activities
related to UAP still stands,

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01:36:48,030 --> 01:36:51,960
have a good afternoon, signed,
whomever that was David grush

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01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:55,230
states. Good afternoon. Thank
you, we'll review please address

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01:36:55,230 --> 01:37:01,440
my specific concerns that I sent
on 19 November 2023. Now that

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01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:02,940
was all January 8.

1517
01:37:05,970 --> 01:37:09,660
That was the date the memo going
back to the original document

1518
01:37:09,660 --> 01:37:13,500
that I first started this long
presentation over when that was

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01:37:13,500 --> 01:37:17,940
written. So after all of this
arrow then just decided he's not

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01:37:17,940 --> 01:37:21,900
coming in no matter what we say.
It does not look like they tried

1521
01:37:21,900 --> 01:37:25,230
to take a stab at those
questions. Maybe because they

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01:37:25,230 --> 01:37:31,470
feel that the cap code, the
sabko letter, and the NDAA for

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01:37:31,470 --> 01:37:34,170
fiscal year 2023 that they
continue to reference over and

1524
01:37:34,170 --> 01:37:37,500
over and over those three
particular things. Take care of

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01:37:37,500 --> 01:37:40,980
all of that. All of these
internal records on top of all

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01:37:40,980 --> 01:37:45,390
of that reinforce it. So that
memo was created January 8, to

1527
01:37:45,390 --> 01:37:48,870
bring all that information
together and document their

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01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:52,710
track record of trying to reach
out to him contact him through

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01:37:52,710 --> 01:37:56,130
different intermediaries then
their contact directly, his no

1530
01:37:56,130 --> 01:37:59,040
show on the meeting and
essentially trying to meet him

1531
01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:02,910
what I would call meet him
halfway and say okay, you asked

1532
01:38:02,910 --> 01:38:07,740
for this letter, we got ODNI to
send it and here it is. This is

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01:38:07,770 --> 01:38:12,360
undated. But you can see it's a
Capco there, designator number

1534
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:18,660
23 Dash 003. So it was likely
created in 2023. Representatives

1535
01:38:18,660 --> 01:38:22,020
of all domain anomaly research
office are authorized to speak

1536
01:38:22,020 --> 01:38:24,810
to persons and or conduct
interviews of persons that

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01:38:24,810 --> 01:38:29,280
currently have or previously had
access to sensitive US

1538
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:32,460
Government Information
activities and or materials.

1539
01:38:32,460 --> 01:38:36,570
This one also talks about
specifically the non disclosure

1540
01:38:36,570 --> 01:38:39,810
agreements that was signed by
the director of the controlled

1541
01:38:39,810 --> 01:38:44,880
access program central office.
Again, they were trying to reach

1542
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:50,490
out to him and give him every
every piece of comfort that they

1543
01:38:50,490 --> 01:38:54,300
could to say you can come in
here. Now what I'm interested

1544
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:58,800
not being a lawyer, and but
seeing now all of this unfold,

1545
01:38:59,220 --> 01:39:02,640
and posting it, you know, online
for the first time most of this

1546
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:06,720
was have has never been seen by
the public before as a non

1547
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:10,950
attorney, but I love legal
stuff. I would love to see an

1548
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:16,350
argument by an attorney, let's
say Charles McCollum come out

1549
01:39:16,350 --> 01:39:22,710
and say this is what they did
not meet for us. Not through

1550
01:39:22,710 --> 01:39:27,000
YouTubers conveying what grush
has said not through journalists

1551
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:32,370
on news nation or some blog or
whatever they get David grush

1552
01:39:32,370 --> 01:39:36,690
talk to let's hear from the
attorney. You know, let's hear

1553
01:39:36,690 --> 01:39:40,890
that argument. Because to me,
it's all there now. And why it

1554
01:39:40,890 --> 01:39:45,720
matters is it goes to the heart
of grush just not showing up and

1555
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:50,370
not getting the DOD, the
congressionally mandated effort

1556
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:54,690
that so many people wanted for
so long, getting them that

1557
01:39:54,690 --> 01:39:59,070
information. Now, what we have
to understand it at this point

1558
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:06,150
is that Dr. Kirkpatrick was
clearly the guy that David grush

1559
01:40:06,300 --> 01:40:09,930
had an issue with, nobody can
deny that it's all there in

1560
01:40:09,930 --> 01:40:12,960
black and white. Why it didn't
come up in the congressional

1561
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:16,200
hearing under oath. That's too
bad. It's a shame. That was a

1562
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:19,800
perfect opportunity, because of
everything that transpired prior

1563
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:24,750
to that. And the clear, quote,
Bad Blood comment that was said

1564
01:40:24,750 --> 01:40:29,340
by David grush, as associate all
of that was palpable. It's, it's

1565
01:40:29,370 --> 01:40:33,810
there, it's clear. So why not
bring that up? We don't know.

1566
01:40:34,440 --> 01:40:40,110
But what we do know now here in
April of 2024, is that Dr. Shawn

1567
01:40:40,110 --> 01:40:44,940
Kirkpatrick is completely gone.
He's not there anymore. That the

1568
01:40:44,940 --> 01:40:48,870
reluctance, per the information
per the evidence that I've gone

1569
01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:53,340
over with you. The reluctance
was there because of Dr. Shawn

1570
01:40:53,340 --> 01:40:57,570
Kirkpatrick. So now he's gone.
He's out. He's doing his media

1571
01:40:57,570 --> 01:41:01,080
tour with other podcasts. And
he's doing it as a private

1572
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:04,230
citizen, all the more power to
him seems like a lot of people

1573
01:41:04,230 --> 01:41:07,680
love doing that. That's fine.
But he's gone. Now. He has

1574
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:10,560
nothing to do with arrow. So
what's wrong with the new

1575
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:16,500
director has since January
8 2024, to date, anything taken

1576
01:41:16,500 --> 01:41:19,530
place with David grush? Now, I
would imagine grush would make

1577
01:41:19,530 --> 01:41:23,970
it very known if he did. Why?
Well, because he's made those

1578
01:41:23,970 --> 01:41:28,290
steps known in the past about
his IG complaints and and what

1579
01:41:28,290 --> 01:41:33,810
he has done. So why have we not
seen that yet? And has anything

1580
01:41:33,810 --> 01:41:37,560
taken place? Well, you could
imagine I've got cases to try

1581
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:41,190
and figure that out, too. But
the bottom line is now, in my

1582
01:41:41,190 --> 01:41:44,940
opinion, there are no excuses
when it comes to Kirkpatrick

1583
01:41:44,940 --> 01:41:48,780
being involved. And from the
legal standpoint, let's hear

1584
01:41:48,780 --> 01:41:52,860
what the excuses now. Again, not
through these third hand,

1585
01:41:52,860 --> 01:41:55,950
people, I talked to Grosh. And
he said this now, let's hear

1586
01:41:55,950 --> 01:41:59,550
from his attorney, I think the
general public has a right to

1587
01:41:59,550 --> 01:42:03,450
know, I know this was a really
long, deep dive. I know they're

1588
01:42:03,450 --> 01:42:06,600
not for everybody. If you've
made it this far, kudos to you

1589
01:42:07,140 --> 01:42:09,690
for sticking with me for that
long. But it's important not

1590
01:42:09,690 --> 01:42:12,690
only for myself to go over it
verbally, I do a lot of this for

1591
01:42:12,690 --> 01:42:16,080
myself too, because it helps me
understand and absorb the

1592
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:20,220
information more speaking out
loud. But also for you all to

1593
01:42:20,220 --> 01:42:23,640
kind of see that timeline to
kind of hear it instead of

1594
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:28,350
reading it in a pile of, of
pages thrown into a PDF file,

1595
01:42:28,530 --> 01:42:32,100
but rather hear somebody talk
about it, and to talk with you

1596
01:42:32,100 --> 01:42:35,370
about it. That's what I'm here
to do. So with that said here on

1597
01:42:35,370 --> 01:42:38,010
YouTube, if you're watching
live, or if you're watching the

1598
01:42:38,010 --> 01:42:41,460
replay, put your comments below.
I'm always interested in and

1599
01:42:41,460 --> 01:42:44,520
please keep it kind down there.
If you agree with me disagree

1600
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:47,250
with me, or whatever you want to
say, again, just please keep it

1601
01:42:47,250 --> 01:42:50,460
clean, but put them down there
and, and let me know what you

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01:42:50,460 --> 01:42:53,580
think. The biggest help you can
do. If you like these types of

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black vault to the last thing
before I say goodbye. Make sure

1620
01:43:53,370 --> 01:43:56,460
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active on AIX, the handle is
simply black vault c o m

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01:44:03,030 --> 01:44:07,680
like.com. Without the dot black
vault comm that's my handle.

1623
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That's where I'm most active you
see things. Even right prior to

1624
01:44:12,210 --> 01:44:16,620
recording this video dropped an
ex post out there of what I

1625
01:44:16,620 --> 01:44:20,310
consider kind of breaking news
in this genre of records being

1626
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:26,070
destroyed of the emails of Dr.
James McCaskey, the OSS, app

1627
01:44:26,070 --> 01:44:29,850
director. And if you follow that
whole story and know the name,

1628
01:44:29,970 --> 01:44:32,760
you'll know that that's kind of
a detriment to trying to unravel

1629
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:36,180
that whole era of this whole
story but that's another video

1630
01:44:36,210 --> 01:44:39,510
in itself. Thank you so much for
listening and or watching truly,

1631
01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:43,080
truly appreciate you hanging
with me on these deep dives. I'm

1632
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:46,140
John Greenewald, Jr signing off,
and I'll see you next time