1 00:00:08,849 --> 00:00:12,134 John Greenewald: In this day and age, why in the world with the 2 00:00:12,205 --> 00:00:16,562 US government destroy documents and emails? storage is cheap. 3 00:00:16,634 --> 00:00:21,276 And history is valuable. But the US government feels they should. 4 00:00:21,348 --> 00:00:25,276 And they do. But is it always by the book? Well, what I 5 00:00:25,347 --> 00:00:29,633 discovered years ago is no, it absolutely is not. And now, a 6 00:00:29,704 --> 00:00:34,132 new controversy has just been revealed with the discovery that 7 00:00:34,204 --> 00:00:38,703 even more emails were destroyed of a key player in a hot topic, 8 00:00:38,775 --> 00:00:43,132 Dr. James Lacatski, he's the guy that not only lead a program 9 00:00:43,203 --> 00:00:47,131 called us up that he says, explore the paranormal, that 10 00:00:47,203 --> 00:00:51,559 Skinwalker Ranch, but he also said the US government has gone 11 00:00:51,631 --> 00:00:56,273 inside an actual UFO. So why did his emails disappear? And wasn't 12 00:00:56,345 --> 00:01:00,916 all by the book? What proof, if any, could we have received from 13 00:01:00,987 --> 00:01:05,344 his classified communications? If they weren't all destroyed? 14 00:01:05,416 --> 00:01:09,630 Stay tuned, you're about to journey inside the black vault. 15 00:01:35,610 --> 00:01:39,211 That's right, everybody. As always, thank you so much for 16 00:01:39,274 --> 00:01:42,812 tuning in and taking this journey inside the black vault 17 00:01:42,876 --> 00:01:46,414 with me. I'm your host, John Greenewald, Jr, founder and 18 00:01:46,477 --> 00:01:50,268 creator of The Black Vault. And we are exploring today, what 19 00:01:50,331 --> 00:01:53,238 could or could not be a malicious cover up and 20 00:01:53,301 --> 00:01:57,092 destruction of records. Now there's a couple of ways to look 21 00:01:57,155 --> 00:02:01,135 at this. So what we're going to do is explore exactly what went 22 00:02:01,199 --> 00:02:04,926 down, at least to the best of my knowledge, and explore the 23 00:02:04,990 --> 00:02:08,528 questions that are still unanswered. Sadly, I can't give 24 00:02:08,591 --> 00:02:12,319 you whether or not this was a malicious cover up or not, it 25 00:02:12,382 --> 00:02:16,363 may actually be by the book. But I want to go ahead and explore 26 00:02:16,426 --> 00:02:19,711 that a little bit also, because if it is, it's still 27 00:02:19,774 --> 00:02:23,249 problematic, and it's something that I feel needs to be 28 00:02:23,313 --> 00:02:26,977 addressed, needs to be explored more and needs to be fixed 29 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,895 because we are losing valuable, valuable history, not just on 30 00:02:30,958 --> 00:02:34,686 the UAP topic, which we're going to be talking about today. 31 00:02:34,749 --> 00:02:38,161 Again, in the context of the emails that were deleted. 32 00:02:38,224 --> 00:02:41,762 However, this expands well beyond just the UAP topic, in 33 00:02:41,825 --> 00:02:45,427 fact, pick any topic that involves the US government, and 34 00:02:45,490 --> 00:02:48,839 that history is likely destroyed, or at least a piece 35 00:02:48,902 --> 00:02:52,756 of it is likely destroyed after a certain amount of time. But 36 00:02:52,819 --> 00:02:56,800 we'll get into all of that. So thank you all for joining me. If 37 00:02:56,863 --> 00:03:00,907 this is your first time, I hope you do enjoy the channel, please 38 00:03:00,970 --> 00:03:04,761 give a thumbs up that really does help this channel, get get 39 00:03:04,824 --> 00:03:08,678 more visibility more people see the videos. And of course, if 40 00:03:08,741 --> 00:03:12,469 you're not subscribed, please hit that subscribe button and 41 00:03:12,532 --> 00:03:16,386 turn the notifications on. That way you see when these videos 42 00:03:16,450 --> 00:03:20,430 drop when I do live streams. It happens sometimes at random. So 43 00:03:20,493 --> 00:03:23,716 definitely make sure you're subscribed and turn the 44 00:03:23,779 --> 00:03:27,822 notifications on. So that said, let's just go ahead and get into 45 00:03:27,886 --> 00:03:31,424 it and explore exactly what happened here. Because I did 46 00:03:31,487 --> 00:03:35,594 post this out I feel that it was newsworthy, so don't like to sit 47 00:03:35,657 --> 00:03:39,448 on things that James Lacatski and his emails were destroyed. 48 00:03:39,511 --> 00:03:43,429 That was a new revelation. We had not known that before he was 49 00:03:43,492 --> 00:03:47,346 a DIA employee. And for those who don't know, let's explore a 50 00:03:47,409 --> 00:03:51,137 little bit about who James Lacatski is for anybody who does 51 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,118 explore the UAP topic, you'll know that he has written now two 52 00:03:55,181 --> 00:03:58,845 books as of the recording of this video. The first out was 53 00:03:58,909 --> 00:04:02,763 skinwalkers at the Pentagon. Now he wrote that with Dr. Colum 54 00:04:02,826 --> 00:04:06,554 Keller, her and George Knapp, the journalist from Las Vegas 55 00:04:06,617 --> 00:04:10,218 that everybody knows of the Bob Lazar fame and obviously, 56 00:04:10,281 --> 00:04:13,820 someone who has been deeply involved with covering these 57 00:04:13,883 --> 00:04:17,295 issues. Well, those three gentlemen came out with skin 58 00:04:17,358 --> 00:04:20,896 markers at the Pentagon and explored what was the AW SAP 59 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:24,245 program within the Defense Intelligence Agency. Now, 60 00:04:24,308 --> 00:04:28,036 depending upon who you listen to all SAP was allegedly, the 61 00:04:28,099 --> 00:04:31,764 paranormal program that spawned a tip that was led by Luis 62 00:04:31,827 --> 00:04:35,428 Elizondo in the Pentagon, specifically, OSD and that's at 63 00:04:35,491 --> 00:04:39,219 least one version. There are other versions, even away from 64 00:04:39,282 --> 00:04:43,200 the US government. Whether or not a tip was a nickname for us, 65 00:04:43,263 --> 00:04:46,928 and that's a whole video in itself and kind of a mess. But 66 00:04:46,991 --> 00:04:50,782 skinwalkers at the Pentagon, according to that book, set the 67 00:04:50,845 --> 00:04:54,762 record straight, so to speak, because what we were told in the 68 00:04:54,825 --> 00:04:58,048 New York Times article, according to this book, was 69 00:04:58,111 --> 00:05:01,902 wrong and inaccurate. And so what they did was they explored 70 00:05:01,965 --> 00:05:05,693 what OSAP was where the $22 million went and James Lacatski 71 00:05:05,756 --> 00:05:09,294 was the guy who headed that program. Within the DIA. The 72 00:05:09,358 --> 00:05:12,833 contractor was Bigelow Aerospace, his subsidiary called 73 00:05:12,896 --> 00:05:16,876 bass, and the rest was history. So that was the first book they 74 00:05:16,940 --> 00:05:20,857 came out with another one inside the US government. Covert UFO 75 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,395 press program, initial revelations also authored by the 76 00:05:24,458 --> 00:05:28,439 same three gentlemen. So again, Lacatski was the guy who was at 77 00:05:28,502 --> 00:05:32,167 the helm. And it's it's not disputed either. There's a lot 78 00:05:32,230 --> 00:05:36,084 of government controversy here about Luis Elizondo and a tip. 79 00:05:36,147 --> 00:05:39,749 The other. We'll call it a counterpart to this story that 80 00:05:39,812 --> 00:05:43,729 all SAP went through the years that it was about 2008 to 2000, 81 00:05:43,792 --> 00:05:47,646 technically 12, but really 2008 to 2010 was when they created 82 00:05:47,710 --> 00:05:51,690 the majority of their reports. And then Luis Elizondo was doing 83 00:05:51,753 --> 00:05:55,544 things inside the Pentagon, under what he called a tip. Now, 84 00:05:55,608 --> 00:05:59,146 his role is disputed by the Pentagon, they say he had no 85 00:05:59,209 --> 00:06:03,063 assigned responsibilities on the program. And essentially, he 86 00:06:03,126 --> 00:06:06,854 didn't do anything that he claimed. However, lookout ski is 87 00:06:06,917 --> 00:06:10,266 a different story. It's never been disputed by the US 88 00:06:10,329 --> 00:06:14,120 government. In fact, if you know where to look, the original 89 00:06:14,183 --> 00:06:18,037 documentation back from 2008 That was looking for bitters for 90 00:06:18,101 --> 00:06:22,081 the off SAP within dia still has like cat skis name, so anybody 91 00:06:22,144 --> 00:06:25,872 can verify that he was going to be the contracting officer, 92 00:06:25,935 --> 00:06:29,158 contracting officers representative, or CLR. And he 93 00:06:29,221 --> 00:06:32,759 was the government project leader of all SAP, so none of 94 00:06:32,822 --> 00:06:36,676 that is in dispute. And it's easily proven. There is evidence 95 00:06:36,740 --> 00:06:40,531 that supports that. Now, as the years went on, and documents 96 00:06:40,594 --> 00:06:44,574 came came out. I don't know why. But the DIA ended up redacting 97 00:06:44,638 --> 00:06:47,607 the cat skis name, but the documents were still 98 00:06:47,670 --> 00:06:50,829 downloadable from the US government when they were 99 00:06:50,893 --> 00:06:54,684 looking for bids. Go figure, who knows? Sometimes there's no 100 00:06:54,747 --> 00:06:58,285 rhyme or reason why they do things. But there you go. So 101 00:06:58,348 --> 00:07:02,076 anyway, that's exactly who look at Ski was now per this bid 102 00:07:02,139 --> 00:07:06,183 solicitation. They call it a bid solicitation, they were looking 103 00:07:06,246 --> 00:07:09,784 for government contractors to come aboard, get a certain 104 00:07:09,848 --> 00:07:13,449 amount of money. And create essentially reports that were 105 00:07:13,512 --> 00:07:17,050 forward looking 40 years into the future. Now this is on 106 00:07:17,114 --> 00:07:20,336 paper, so don't kill the messenger here. But that's 107 00:07:20,399 --> 00:07:24,190 that's what the solicitation was on paper forward looking 40 108 00:07:24,253 --> 00:07:28,360 years into the future. How could technology advanced when it came 109 00:07:28,423 --> 00:07:32,214 to materials lift? propulsion, there were about 12 different 110 00:07:32,277 --> 00:07:35,816 areas of study primarily in aerospace research that they 111 00:07:35,879 --> 00:07:39,544 were going to be looking into per this contract. Now, what 112 00:07:39,607 --> 00:07:43,650 came out over the years was not necessarily that instead, it was 113 00:07:43,714 --> 00:07:47,378 supposedly this Paranormal Research Program, headed within 114 00:07:47,441 --> 00:07:51,422 the DIA with the contractor bass through Bigelow Aerospace. And 115 00:07:51,485 --> 00:07:55,402 they studied different aspects of the paranormal at Skinwalker 116 00:07:55,466 --> 00:07:59,004 Ranch in Utah. Now this was owned by Robert Bigelow. And 117 00:07:59,067 --> 00:08:02,921 again, allegedly, the DIA was interested in what was going on 118 00:08:02,984 --> 00:08:06,775 there. They were studying UFOs they were studying paranormal 119 00:08:06,839 --> 00:08:10,693 creatures, all of which were outlined in the Catskills books. 120 00:08:10,756 --> 00:08:14,484 So it was on paper one thing, but allegedly something much, 121 00:08:14,547 --> 00:08:18,275 much more mysterious. And more paranormal, by the way, this 122 00:08:18,338 --> 00:08:21,750 graphic was not prompted by AI other than what is your 123 00:08:21,813 --> 00:08:25,604 interpretation of the offset program? That's what it came up 124 00:08:25,667 --> 00:08:29,395 with? I'm fascinated by AI and how it interprets things. So 125 00:08:29,458 --> 00:08:33,186 anyway, that's why the image is a little wonky. But that's, 126 00:08:33,249 --> 00:08:37,293 that's the root of it, I always get a kick out of, again, how AI 127 00:08:37,356 --> 00:08:41,210 thinks about things. So that was the prompt, give me an image 128 00:08:41,273 --> 00:08:44,875 representation of the offset program. So now the question 129 00:08:44,938 --> 00:08:48,792 mark is, you know, was was it really this paranormal program? 130 00:08:48,855 --> 00:08:52,267 And I've always anybody who watches this channel, I've 131 00:08:52,330 --> 00:08:55,869 always had a problem with that for a couple of different 132 00:08:55,932 --> 00:08:59,660 reasons. It's out of the CIA's purview. It just is. I mean, 133 00:08:59,723 --> 00:09:03,135 look, there may be some government agencies that would 134 00:09:03,198 --> 00:09:06,673 be interested in Skinwalker Ranch if there was provable 135 00:09:06,736 --> 00:09:10,780 paranormal research going on. I couldn't believe that that's not 136 00:09:10,843 --> 00:09:14,697 a problem. But it wouldn't be the DIA. It's just not in their 137 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,678 purview to operate with boots on the ground on US soil. That's 138 00:09:18,741 --> 00:09:22,848 just not their job. So for me, I kind of lean towards this was if 139 00:09:22,911 --> 00:09:26,070 it was funded by government money, then the actual 140 00:09:26,133 --> 00:09:30,051 government and the DIA didn't really know or authorize it. But 141 00:09:30,114 --> 00:09:34,221 rather, maybe this was something that was just off the rails that 142 00:09:34,284 --> 00:09:38,201 Lacatski was doing through the defense warning office where he 143 00:09:38,264 --> 00:09:42,055 was a part of, they got the $22 million over the course of a 144 00:09:42,119 --> 00:09:45,657 couple of years. And on paper, there was those aerospace 145 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,700 research studies. And they did create 38 reports, all of which, 146 00:09:49,764 --> 00:09:53,365 but I believe one, because it's still classified has been 147 00:09:53,428 --> 00:09:57,156 released. The rest are now in the public domain. And again, 148 00:09:57,219 --> 00:10:00,758 that controversy is palpable when It comes to OS app and 149 00:10:00,821 --> 00:10:04,864 whether or not it was related to paranormal. Now, why am I going 150 00:10:04,928 --> 00:10:08,466 into that diatribe here when we're talking about emails? 151 00:10:08,529 --> 00:10:12,004 Well, because in my opinion, emails are going to be the 152 00:10:12,067 --> 00:10:15,858 absolute best way to either prove or disprove whether or not 153 00:10:15,921 --> 00:10:19,460 OS have truly was exploring this, because let's face it, 154 00:10:19,523 --> 00:10:22,808 there may not be government reports that were quote, 155 00:10:22,872 --> 00:10:26,473 unquote, deliverables as connected to us app when it came 156 00:10:26,536 --> 00:10:30,264 to some of these paranormal aspects. But, you know, they're 157 00:10:30,327 --> 00:10:33,929 talking about it. Dr. Colm Kelleher, who was part of bass 158 00:10:33,992 --> 00:10:37,467 was obviously talking about it. It's not 100% telephone 159 00:10:37,530 --> 00:10:41,637 conversations for yours. No, I'm you're going to have emails, and 160 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:45,744 you're going to have emails that touch on the topics that may be 161 00:10:45,807 --> 00:10:49,472 disputed by the US government. But within the email box of 162 00:10:49,535 --> 00:10:53,578 James Lacatski, maybe we can get a little bit of an idea of what 163 00:10:53,642 --> 00:10:57,369 really went on, what was the Kaski researching, what was he 164 00:10:57,433 --> 00:11:01,097 looking at? What was he trying to figure out, so on and so 165 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,825 forth. So I love that for anybody who delves into the FOIA 166 00:11:04,888 --> 00:11:08,806 and wants to explore with it, don't forget, it's not all about 167 00:11:08,869 --> 00:11:12,533 reports and, and snoozy memos and stuff like that for your 168 00:11:12,597 --> 00:11:16,577 email boxes, you will be amazed at the stuff that you will find 169 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,431 when it comes to this type of material. So don't forget that 170 00:11:20,494 --> 00:11:23,970 in your for your travels. Definitely go after email. So 171 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,080 that's why what I did here. Now, let me kind of detour from the 172 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,130 Kaski here because obviously the DIA stance now is the Catskills 173 00:11:32,130 --> 00:11:35,250 email box was destroyed. Now when I announced that on social 174 00:11:35,250 --> 00:11:40,470 media, a lot of speculation began from different corners of 175 00:11:40,470 --> 00:11:44,640 this conversation. And that's primarily because it tied into a 176 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,990 story that I did back in May of 2021. And I worked on this story 177 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,850 for months. And what the what the gist of this was, was that 178 00:11:53,850 --> 00:11:58,740 Luis Elizondo again that disputed director of a tip 179 00:11:58,740 --> 00:12:03,720 disputed by the US government that is I was going after his 180 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,780 emails for the exact same reason because look, the government can 181 00:12:06,780 --> 00:12:09,960 have their stance and can be completely lying. Luis Elizondo 182 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,440 can have his stance and he could be completely lying. But if 183 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,790 there was this program, called a tip, and there was this research 184 00:12:17,790 --> 00:12:21,150 and UFOs look, the chances that he was sending an email 185 00:12:21,150 --> 00:12:26,250 classified or not, that had keywords like UFO or a tip or 186 00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:33,570 UAP, or tic tac or Nimitz or go down the list. The odds of that 187 00:12:33,570 --> 00:12:36,390 would be pretty high. So the government can play this. He 188 00:12:36,390 --> 00:12:40,050 said, he said game with Luis Elizondo, that's fine. I don't 189 00:12:40,050 --> 00:12:43,800 care. Because you go after the real records, you know, again, 190 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,580 the away from the reports those emails, and over the course of 191 00:12:47,580 --> 00:12:50,520 months, in fact, it was actually years while I was filing these, 192 00:12:50,730 --> 00:12:53,700 these FOIA is, but some of them were coming back negative, that 193 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:56,430 just didn't make sense. Negative meaning they were saying we got 194 00:12:56,430 --> 00:13:00,510 nothing responsive to your request, no records whatsoever. 195 00:13:00,660 --> 00:13:04,230 So I started prodding the Pentagon on this, specifically 196 00:13:04,230 --> 00:13:08,280 the DoD that that was in control of Luis Elizondo his emails even 197 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,150 after he resigned, because they archive those things. And after 198 00:13:12,150 --> 00:13:15,720 pushing and pushing and pushing, had finally discovered that Luis 199 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:20,010 Elizondo 's emails were destroyed. Now, is that legal? 200 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:24,930 Yes. However, you have to adhere to what are called records 201 00:13:24,930 --> 00:13:29,010 retention schedules, in order to make it legal. So when somebody 202 00:13:29,010 --> 00:13:31,410 resigns, you don't just poof, automatically delete their 203 00:13:31,410 --> 00:13:35,010 entire existence. But rather, there are these schedules that 204 00:13:35,010 --> 00:13:39,150 outline from top to bottom left to right, depending upon your 205 00:13:39,150 --> 00:13:41,940 position, how high up you were, what did you do, what office 206 00:13:41,940 --> 00:13:46,410 were you at? What agency did you work for? It stipulates how long 207 00:13:46,410 --> 00:13:51,480 those agencies have to archive your emails and your files and 208 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,510 your reports. Now, in some cases, it's a very short 209 00:13:54,510 --> 00:13:58,860 timeframe. In other cases, it's seven years. In other cases, 210 00:13:58,950 --> 00:14:03,270 it's in perpetuity, it's in its forever. So they they archive 211 00:14:03,270 --> 00:14:06,420 them and they never get destroyed. So it depends on 212 00:14:06,420 --> 00:14:09,420 where you fall on the spectrum when it comes to where you are 213 00:14:09,420 --> 00:14:11,700 in the government infrastructure. And that's 214 00:14:11,700 --> 00:14:15,420 defined by these records retention schedules. So I dug 215 00:14:15,420 --> 00:14:19,260 and dug and dug and pushed and prodded and poked and asked 216 00:14:19,260 --> 00:14:23,400 anybody I could for statements and essentially the bottom line 217 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:28,890 was Luis Elizondo, I could prove his emails were supposed to be 218 00:14:28,890 --> 00:14:33,870 maintained for seven years. Now, according to Mr. Elizondo, he 219 00:14:33,870 --> 00:14:38,760 felt it was in perpetuity, I could not prove that. So he and 220 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,540 I had many discussions about that. And, and I told him, I 221 00:14:42,540 --> 00:14:45,720 said, Look, I can't on paper. I can't prove that because you 222 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,140 don't fit into the category from where I'm sitting. I can't prove 223 00:14:49,140 --> 00:14:52,740 it. But I can prove seven years and I can prove that the DoD 224 00:14:52,980 --> 00:14:56,460 just destroyed your emails well ahead of schedule. Now, I don't 225 00:14:56,460 --> 00:14:59,970 want to call that illegal, but it's definitely not by the book. 226 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,560 It is definitely frowned upon. And so what I had determined was 227 00:15:04,860 --> 00:15:10,110 based on his resignation date, October 4 2024, was when his 228 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,440 emails were supposed to be maintained until so that means 229 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,700 you file a FOIA in early 2024. Those emails should still be 230 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:21,000 there ready for you to search. Yet in his case, they were 231 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,410 deleted years ago. And so that was wrong. Now, that obviously 232 00:15:25,410 --> 00:15:29,880 created a lot of controversy and a lot of, shall we say, 233 00:15:30,270 --> 00:15:34,170 conversation about what were they doing? Were they covering 234 00:15:34,170 --> 00:15:42,360 up Luis Elizondo and his history within the a tip, and the proof 235 00:15:42,660 --> 00:15:47,010 that people like me needed to support his claim? What were 236 00:15:47,010 --> 00:15:49,860 they doing? And of course, we don't know the true answer to 237 00:15:49,860 --> 00:15:53,940 that. But I can say and fill in one more blank, that in the 238 00:15:53,940 --> 00:15:57,450 future, I don't know how far I'm not hiding it from you. I just 239 00:15:57,450 --> 00:16:01,020 don't have the proof yet. However, I am under 240 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,240 How can I word this I have under very good authority, that that 241 00:16:08,302 --> 00:16:12,161 Luis Elizondo is not alone with these email destructions, that 242 00:16:12,223 --> 00:16:16,019 it was not just Luis Elizondo that was destroyed. But rather, 243 00:16:16,081 --> 00:16:19,939 this was a much bigger problem within the DOD. Now, I have not 244 00:16:20,002 --> 00:16:23,860 come across that information too well, after 2021 When I wrote 245 00:16:23,922 --> 00:16:27,781 this story, so I plan on writing it more. However, I have open 246 00:16:27,843 --> 00:16:31,639 cases that need to complete for me to get the reports get all 247 00:16:31,701 --> 00:16:35,497 the proof, and all of that, but let's just say that this is a 248 00:16:35,559 --> 00:16:39,107 bigger story. And it's one that's incredibly important to 249 00:16:39,169 --> 00:16:43,152 me. And it goes to the root and heart of why I do what I do with 250 00:16:43,214 --> 00:16:46,823 the black vault. And quite simply that is the preservation 251 00:16:46,885 --> 00:16:50,744 of history. Whether or not it's Luis Elizondo is ATypI. Males, 252 00:16:50,806 --> 00:16:54,291 whether or not it's James, James, the Catskills OS happy 253 00:16:54,353 --> 00:16:58,087 males, or whether or not it's completely unrelated to any of 254 00:16:58,149 --> 00:17:02,132 this. That's why I do what I do that this material is incredibly 255 00:17:02,194 --> 00:17:05,928 valuable and should be saved. And the fact that my story had 256 00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:09,724 really resonated within the Pentagon, but not in a good way. 257 00:17:09,786 --> 00:17:13,583 Things kind of started to fall. And people started realizing, 258 00:17:13,645 --> 00:17:17,067 hey, there's an issue here. There's there's information 259 00:17:17,130 --> 00:17:21,112 being lost. And that's where I'm going to be able to pick up the 260 00:17:21,175 --> 00:17:24,286 story hopefully sooner than later. But we know the 261 00:17:24,348 --> 00:17:27,896 government's paces, you know, nothing short of a slug and 262 00:17:27,958 --> 00:17:31,443 sloth so I don't know when that's going to come but just 263 00:17:31,505 --> 00:17:35,363 know that that blank I want to fill in. And it's one that is a 264 00:17:35,426 --> 00:17:39,346 bigger issue here because of of things like this, not only with 265 00:17:39,408 --> 00:17:42,956 Luis Elizondo, but with James Lacatski. And the fact that 266 00:17:43,018 --> 00:17:46,938 these answers can be given this is evidence in what may be look 267 00:17:47,001 --> 00:17:51,046 in the grander scale a small one to the UFO community. It's a big 268 00:17:51,108 --> 00:17:54,655 one. But to the grander scale here, look, not everybody's 269 00:17:54,717 --> 00:17:58,140 going to care about the Catskills email and proving all 270 00:17:58,202 --> 00:18:02,060 SAP was paranormal related. But look at the bigger picture and 271 00:18:02,123 --> 00:18:06,043 what this is and how things are being destroyed. And how things 272 00:18:06,105 --> 00:18:09,964 are being harmed how people's credibility is being potentially 273 00:18:10,026 --> 00:18:13,511 harmed here. Look at the proof the evidence that's being 274 00:18:13,573 --> 00:18:17,245 destroyed. That is an issue. Now with Lacatski, I had filed 275 00:18:17,307 --> 00:18:21,228 multiple requests going back to you know 2018 2019 When the cat 276 00:18:21,290 --> 00:18:25,086 skis name really was started being bantered about that he was 277 00:18:25,148 --> 00:18:28,757 connected to all of this. We knew it from the original bid 278 00:18:28,820 --> 00:18:32,367 solicitation that had already been out in early 2018. But 279 00:18:32,429 --> 00:18:36,101 again, not not necessarily his connection to the paranormal 280 00:18:36,163 --> 00:18:39,897 side of this more so at that time, it was Luis Elizondo, but 281 00:18:39,959 --> 00:18:43,257 as time went on, and people started talking and doing 282 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,991 interviews, obviously that led to these FOIA requests being 283 00:18:47,053 --> 00:18:51,036 filed, one of which I had looked for anything that said Elizondo 284 00:18:51,098 --> 00:18:54,521 within the Catskills box. The reason for that is pretty 285 00:18:54,583 --> 00:18:58,628 obvious it would have showed the connection between Luis Elizondo 286 00:18:58,691 --> 00:19:02,424 and potentially all SAP Luis Elizondo has now since come out 287 00:19:02,487 --> 00:19:06,345 and said that he talked to the CAT scan, they had conversation 288 00:19:06,407 --> 00:19:10,017 and again depending upon what version of these stories you 289 00:19:10,079 --> 00:19:13,999 listen to Luis Elizondo said he played no role in OS app yet in 290 00:19:14,062 --> 00:19:17,920 his IG complaint said that he did for a couple of days, again, 291 00:19:17,982 --> 00:19:21,778 depending upon which version of his that you want to believe, 292 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,823 regardless, sounded like there'd be evidence there yet. A search 293 00:19:25,885 --> 00:19:29,059 that ended in 2021 for the keyword Elizondo came up 294 00:19:29,121 --> 00:19:33,042 absolutely negative. They said that there was no records. Right 295 00:19:33,104 --> 00:19:37,025 here no documents responsive to my request, which I always felt 296 00:19:37,087 --> 00:19:40,634 was weird. I don't think I ever even posted this, because 297 00:19:40,696 --> 00:19:44,368 especially in 2021, everybody just thought I was out to get 298 00:19:44,430 --> 00:19:48,040 Elizondo and Lacatski. So I wasn't hiding this, but it was 299 00:19:48,102 --> 00:19:52,085 like look, this doesn't make any sense whatsoever. So I archived 300 00:19:52,147 --> 00:19:56,005 it for myself and I moved on. Another one was straightforward. 301 00:19:56,067 --> 00:19:59,801 It was key word UFO on James Lacatski's email box. Now, that 302 00:19:59,864 --> 00:20:03,909 one's pretty obvious. And yes, I do these requests with all sorts 303 00:20:03,971 --> 00:20:07,954 of lists of UAP, UFO, different variations of view of UAP, so on 304 00:20:08,016 --> 00:20:11,874 and so forth. So I'm not going to, you know, bore you to death 305 00:20:11,936 --> 00:20:15,732 with every single word that I've used. But even this one also 306 00:20:15,795 --> 00:20:19,529 came back with no documents responsive to your request. That 307 00:20:19,591 --> 00:20:23,262 was in March of 2022. So that was really kind of bizarre to 308 00:20:23,325 --> 00:20:27,058 me. Now, my mantra with the FOIA and I always preach this is 309 00:20:27,121 --> 00:20:30,730 always appeal. And that is true. I fully support that. And 310 00:20:30,792 --> 00:20:34,651 sometimes I don't follow my own advice. Some of these I didn't 311 00:20:34,713 --> 00:20:38,260 appeal. And it was just quite simply because there was no 312 00:20:38,322 --> 00:20:41,932 grant. I couldn't figure out what the grounds at this time 313 00:20:41,994 --> 00:20:45,728 that I could stand on to say, hey, here's my legal argument. 314 00:20:45,790 --> 00:20:49,337 Here is how I can appeal this. Well, when it came to this 315 00:20:49,399 --> 00:20:53,320 request. That ended in September of 2023. I was looking for all 316 00:20:53,382 --> 00:20:57,116 James Lacatski communications with Luis Elizondo. I included 317 00:20:57,178 --> 00:21:00,788 multiple private emails now I've chosen to redact those to 318 00:21:00,850 --> 00:21:04,335 protect Mr. Elizondo has privacy. I've always done that. 319 00:21:04,397 --> 00:21:08,131 So when you see red redactions on documents, those are mine. 320 00:21:08,193 --> 00:21:11,616 They're very few and far between. But that's what I do. 321 00:21:11,678 --> 00:21:15,412 And in fact, I also asked the US government to please be six 322 00:21:15,474 --> 00:21:19,395 redact my FOIA requests on Luis Elizondo, and other individuals 323 00:21:19,457 --> 00:21:22,817 as well when I use private emails as as a keyword or a 324 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,862 target of a search to please do that to protect privacy, whether 325 00:21:26,925 --> 00:21:30,347 or not they do that. I hope they do. But again, I'm not 326 00:21:30,410 --> 00:21:34,268 interested in blowing anybody's privacy. So when you see those 327 00:21:34,330 --> 00:21:38,188 red redactions, they're mine. So I was looking for the cascade 328 00:21:38,251 --> 00:21:42,296 communications with Elizondo and J. Stratton. He was the one that 329 00:21:42,358 --> 00:21:46,154 was part of the UAP Task Force. We don't hear a lot from him. 330 00:21:46,216 --> 00:21:50,137 We've heard a few interviews. I think just just one main one, I 331 00:21:50,199 --> 00:21:53,871 should say, with George Knapp. But Jay Stratton is somebody 332 00:21:53,933 --> 00:21:57,791 that has intrigued me the first time his name came out, was an 333 00:21:57,853 --> 00:22:01,836 article that I wrote a few years ago. His name was not connected 334 00:22:01,898 --> 00:22:05,321 to any of this. At that time, what I had discovered was 335 00:22:05,383 --> 00:22:09,304 Stratton had wrote, the original statements that I got from the 336 00:22:09,366 --> 00:22:13,349 US Navy that went viral. I mean, it was covered worldwide, about 337 00:22:13,411 --> 00:22:17,083 UAP, and the three videos, the FLIR, the gimbal, and the go 338 00:22:17,145 --> 00:22:20,568 fast, and how the US Navy considered them unidentified. 339 00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:24,115 Now, they had leaked, obviously, but they had never been 340 00:22:24,177 --> 00:22:28,035 acknowledged before by the US Navy or the military. And on top 341 00:22:28,098 --> 00:22:31,645 of that never said to be unidentified. So that was a huge 342 00:22:31,707 --> 00:22:35,628 deal. So I had filed for years to figure out, Hey, how did that 343 00:22:35,690 --> 00:22:39,424 statement get written? And by doing that had discovered this 344 00:22:39,486 --> 00:22:43,406 gentleman by the name of John J. Stratton. And I didn't know at 345 00:22:43,469 --> 00:22:47,140 the time exactly what his title was. But I knew that he was 346 00:22:47,202 --> 00:22:50,563 highly connected because he's the one that wrote those 347 00:22:50,625 --> 00:22:53,986 statements for the Public Affairs Office. And then the 348 00:22:54,048 --> 00:22:57,720 Public Affairs Office took them, reworded them a little bit 349 00:22:57,782 --> 00:23:01,578 shrunk them down just to make them more condensed. And that's 350 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,001 what I got, while I had discovered the original emails 351 00:23:05,063 --> 00:23:08,983 that Stratton wrote. So just to give you that little background 352 00:23:09,046 --> 00:23:12,904 on how Stratton came to be, I thought, okay, look, maybe there 353 00:23:12,966 --> 00:23:16,575 was some communication with Lacatski as well. So let's put 354 00:23:16,638 --> 00:23:20,123 it all in the same request. And yet that came up with no 355 00:23:20,185 --> 00:23:23,981 documents responsive to your request. Now, this I had grounds 356 00:23:24,043 --> 00:23:28,088 to appeal. Why, because Elizondo had already put in writing and a 357 00:23:28,150 --> 00:23:32,071 document that he had submitted to the inspector general that he 358 00:23:32,133 --> 00:23:35,929 had talked to Lacatski, there was other material that I could 359 00:23:35,992 --> 00:23:39,601 draw firm from to build an appeal off of saying, hey, this 360 00:23:39,663 --> 00:23:43,459 doesn't make sense because of this. And so I essentially what 361 00:23:43,521 --> 00:23:47,069 what they call appeal, the adequacy of the search. And so 362 00:23:47,131 --> 00:23:50,802 when you appeal, you have to do so under certain grounds of 363 00:23:50,865 --> 00:23:54,412 proving what you're appealing. You also have to name what 364 00:23:54,474 --> 00:23:58,519 you're appealing. You can't just say, I have a gut feeling things 365 00:23:58,581 --> 00:24:01,880 are are there, you have to appeal the adequacy of the 366 00:24:01,942 --> 00:24:05,613 search. Explain why so many FOIA people out there, I stress 367 00:24:05,676 --> 00:24:09,534 appeal. So I filed the appeal on this. And this was the letter 368 00:24:09,596 --> 00:24:13,019 that I got back just days ago. Dear Mr. Greenwald, this 369 00:24:13,081 --> 00:24:16,442 response, your freedom of information act appeal dated 370 00:24:16,504 --> 00:24:20,051 November 2520 23, I'm going to jump down, I reviewed your 371 00:24:20,113 --> 00:24:24,034 request for appeal and remanded your request to the review team 372 00:24:24,096 --> 00:24:27,892 for an additional search. I'm gonna stop quoting right there. 373 00:24:27,954 --> 00:24:31,688 That means that I essentially won the appeal, that that they 374 00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:35,609 that they didn't see adequate evidence that the search was was 375 00:24:35,671 --> 00:24:38,907 done correctly. So from what I understand, appellate 376 00:24:38,969 --> 00:24:42,205 authorities don't just automatically remand it back. 377 00:24:42,267 --> 00:24:46,001 They only do so if they feel that the search wasn't adequate 378 00:24:46,064 --> 00:24:49,735 enough, which was what I was appealing, so they remanded it 379 00:24:49,797 --> 00:24:53,593 back for an additional search. Going back to the letter. Upon 380 00:24:53,656 --> 00:24:57,576 remand and review, dia personnel verified the search procedures 381 00:24:57,638 --> 00:25:01,186 and conducted a second search. No responsive records were 382 00:25:01,248 --> 00:25:04,422 located as a result of this Search, the records you 383 00:25:04,484 --> 00:25:07,969 requested were properly destroyed prior to your request, 384 00:25:08,031 --> 00:25:11,578 pursuant to records disposition schedules approved by the 385 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,312 National Archives, and Records Administration, based on the 386 00:25:15,374 --> 00:25:18,859 above information and the governing law, I find that dia 387 00:25:18,921 --> 00:25:22,904 personnel performed an adequate search for records responsive to 388 00:25:22,966 --> 00:25:26,825 your request, please be advised that no further action will be 389 00:25:26,887 --> 00:25:30,683 taken regarding this appeal. Now, I'm going back one, one. So 390 00:25:30,745 --> 00:25:34,604 April 2 2022. I'm going to write that down. So I don't forget, 391 00:25:34,666 --> 00:25:36,720 because we're going to talk about 392 00:25:38,850 --> 00:25:42,972 we're going to talk about why that data is important. So they 393 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,027 said that the records were destroyed prior to me submitting 394 00:25:47,095 --> 00:25:51,487 that. So April 22, or excuse me, April 2 2020, to some date prior 395 00:25:51,555 --> 00:25:55,678 to that. So that's, that's the only way I'm trying to kind of 396 00:25:55,745 --> 00:25:59,935 dissect this and figure out when were these records destroyed, 397 00:26:00,003 --> 00:26:04,125 because as you'll see, in a few minutes, that date is key. So 398 00:26:04,193 --> 00:26:08,316 they told me here in writing, boom, everything is gone. So I, 399 00:26:08,383 --> 00:26:12,438 you know, I do this a lot. I don't always talk about it. But 400 00:26:12,506 --> 00:26:16,696 when I write articles, and when I announce things that I think 401 00:26:16,763 --> 00:26:20,683 are newsworthy, I'm always double and triple checking. And 402 00:26:20,751 --> 00:26:24,806 here is that double and triple check. Can you please confirm 403 00:26:24,873 --> 00:26:28,658 that, by this response, all of James Kathy's emails were 404 00:26:28,726 --> 00:26:32,308 destroyed, and the DIA responded, the DIA FOIA office 405 00:26:32,375 --> 00:26:36,430 can confirm that a search was conducted for emails using the 406 00:26:36,498 --> 00:26:40,620 cited name, James Lacatski, and no records were located. Now, 407 00:26:40,688 --> 00:26:44,743 that wasn't good enough for me because even though they said 408 00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:48,730 they were destroyed, it's so vague here. So I asked again, 409 00:26:48,798 --> 00:26:52,853 I'll spare you my letter. But essentially just ask them what 410 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,975 I'm trying to confirm is the entire email box, just the ones 411 00:26:57,043 --> 00:27:00,963 that I'm looking for, you know, what, what exactly are you 412 00:27:01,030 --> 00:27:04,815 saying? And their response? Greetings. Your question was 413 00:27:04,882 --> 00:27:08,937 understood, and the response is the same. There are no email 414 00:27:09,005 --> 00:27:12,992 records for James Lacatski as a result of records retention 415 00:27:13,060 --> 00:27:17,115 schedule, so everything is gone now. Anybody who knows me, I 416 00:27:17,183 --> 00:27:21,440 continued to push. And I said, Look, you guys got to you got to 417 00:27:21,508 --> 00:27:25,428 do better than that. What disposition schedule Are you are 418 00:27:25,495 --> 00:27:29,483 you pulling from? And they said according to NARAS, General 419 00:27:29,550 --> 00:27:33,876 Records Schedule 6.1 disposition authority, da G Rs 2022 0060002 420 00:27:33,943 --> 00:27:37,998 emails are deleted when seven years old. So that's what they 421 00:27:38,066 --> 00:27:42,391 said. Now, I did ask about James the cat skis, exact resignation 422 00:27:42,459 --> 00:27:46,716 date, because there's a couple of differing dates. They're kind 423 00:27:46,784 --> 00:27:51,109 of floating around. The DoD gave me Luis Elizondo when asked. So 424 00:27:51,177 --> 00:27:55,164 I was hoping dia would do the same for look like ASCII, and 425 00:27:55,232 --> 00:27:59,152 they're making me sign a third party release form. And the 426 00:27:59,219 --> 00:28:03,342 Kaski doesn't return my messages that I stopped a year or two 427 00:28:03,409 --> 00:28:07,599 ago. But he's very, very tight with who he talks to, which is, 428 00:28:07,667 --> 00:28:11,384 essentially is Jeremy Korbel. And George Knapp. I'm not 429 00:28:11,452 --> 00:28:15,439 familiar with him talking to anybody else, when it comes to 430 00:28:15,507 --> 00:28:19,562 answering questions. So take that as you will. So that said, 431 00:28:19,629 --> 00:28:22,941 I don't know his exact resignation date. Now that 432 00:28:23,008 --> 00:28:27,063 schedule I just rattled off to you this is it general record 433 00:28:27,131 --> 00:28:31,186 schedule 6.1. Here's the cover page. And here's the specific 434 00:28:31,253 --> 00:28:35,241 section that they were talking about, which is email and or 435 00:28:35,308 --> 00:28:39,093 other types of electronic messages of all other official 436 00:28:39,161 --> 00:28:42,945 staff and contractors not included in item 10. Now, keep 437 00:28:43,013 --> 00:28:47,135 in mind, these schedules are very, very detailed. I'm sparing 438 00:28:47,203 --> 00:28:51,258 you all those boring, nitty gritty details. But essentially, 439 00:28:51,326 --> 00:28:55,245 they go into what type of position, how long, what type of 440 00:28:55,313 --> 00:28:59,503 record, how long do you retain it for, so on and so forth. And 441 00:28:59,571 --> 00:29:03,828 so it spells all that out. Where Lacatski fit was this and that 442 00:29:03,896 --> 00:29:07,681 that was stipulated here for seven years, then that's no 443 00:29:07,748 --> 00:29:12,141 longer needed. This item applies the majority of emails and other 444 00:29:12,209 --> 00:29:16,061 messaging account slash users within an agency adopting a 445 00:29:16,128 --> 00:29:19,981 capstone approach, which it seems like dia does not media 446 00:29:20,048 --> 00:29:23,968 neutral applies to records managed in an electronic format 447 00:29:24,036 --> 00:29:28,158 only. So again, it it actually separates electronic documents 448 00:29:28,226 --> 00:29:32,146 from paper records and so on and so forth. So they're that 449 00:29:32,213 --> 00:29:36,471 they're that detailed, but this is where he fit. So seven years 450 00:29:36,538 --> 00:29:40,729 was when lookouts keys emails should have been maintained. Now 451 00:29:40,796 --> 00:29:44,784 this was item 10. Because some of you may may wonder, well, 452 00:29:44,851 --> 00:29:48,771 what was item 10? Why didn't he fit into their item 10 are 453 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:53,029 actually permanent records is so things are kept in perpetuity 454 00:29:53,096 --> 00:29:57,084 forever, till the end of the world. As soon as they resign. 455 00:29:57,151 --> 00:30:01,003 It's kept and archived and there's no destruction. But he 456 00:30:01,071 --> 00:30:05,126 didn't fit into any of their that made the absolute closest, 457 00:30:05,194 --> 00:30:08,640 but it was not. fitting for Lacatski was number six 458 00:30:08,708 --> 00:30:12,290 directors of significant program offices and or their 459 00:30:12,357 --> 00:30:16,345 equivalents, as far as I'm aware of the Cascade was not the 460 00:30:16,412 --> 00:30:20,670 director of a program office. He was within the offense warning 461 00:30:20,738 --> 00:30:24,387 office. And he did lead obviously OS app. And I'm sure 462 00:30:24,455 --> 00:30:28,848 he worked on a plethora of other programs as well. But he was not 463 00:30:28,915 --> 00:30:32,903 a director number 10. Again, Close, but no cigar additional 464 00:30:32,970 --> 00:30:36,687 roles and positions that predominantly create permanent 465 00:30:36,755 --> 00:30:40,539 records related to mission critical functions, or policy 466 00:30:40,607 --> 00:30:44,324 decisions and are of a historical significance. Well, I 467 00:30:44,392 --> 00:30:48,717 mean, I guess ASA wasn't of his historical significance for them 468 00:30:48,785 --> 00:30:53,042 to say, Hey, we should maintain all of those records. On top of 469 00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:57,165 that, they didn't maintain any of his emails. So whatever he 470 00:30:57,232 --> 00:31:01,355 was doing, they felt it was not something that they needed to 471 00:31:01,423 --> 00:31:05,478 keep in perpetuity. So that being said, seven years, so what 472 00:31:05,545 --> 00:31:09,870 exactly do we not have answered here? And it comes down to these 473 00:31:09,938 --> 00:31:14,128 two questions, what exact date the James or Kathy retire? Now, 474 00:31:14,196 --> 00:31:18,386 he has said in interviews around 2015 2016. And another one, I 475 00:31:18,453 --> 00:31:22,373 believe it was set in May of 2016, or just 2016. So for my 476 00:31:22,441 --> 00:31:26,428 purpose here, because I can't prove it yet. We're gonna say 477 00:31:26,496 --> 00:31:30,821 circa may 2016, which means that the destruction would have been 478 00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:34,944 authorized circa May of 2023. That would be seven years from 479 00:31:35,011 --> 00:31:39,066 that. Now remember, I told you to put a pin in that one FOIA 480 00:31:39,134 --> 00:31:43,324 request that was filed April 2 2022. From my calculation here, 481 00:31:43,392 --> 00:31:47,784 it should have been May of 2023. That they were destroyed yet dia 482 00:31:47,852 --> 00:31:51,975 said they were destroyed prior to my request of April 2 2022. 483 00:31:52,042 --> 00:31:56,435 Now, if what is being said about lookout skis resignation date of 484 00:31:56,503 --> 00:32:00,287 May 2016 is true, or just essentially, any date in 2016. 485 00:32:00,355 --> 00:32:04,477 Then the destruction was not authorized until pick a month in 486 00:32:04,545 --> 00:32:08,938 2023. That means all of the FOIA requests that I filed, including 487 00:32:09,005 --> 00:32:13,331 this April 2 2022 requests, and the other ones that I went over, 488 00:32:13,398 --> 00:32:17,386 which were filed in 2018 2019. So even years prior to that, 489 00:32:17,453 --> 00:32:21,711 should have not met a destructed email box, nothing should have 490 00:32:21,779 --> 00:32:26,104 been deleted that yet the DIA is saying oh, sorry, you know, you 491 00:32:26,171 --> 00:32:30,497 filed after, so it does not make sense. Now, in one off the cuff 492 00:32:30,564 --> 00:32:34,281 remark that Lacatski had made, he was talking about his 493 00:32:34,349 --> 00:32:38,066 resignation, and he said, approximately 2015 2016. Now, 494 00:32:38,134 --> 00:32:42,189 I'd love to hear if anybody has aligned to him wasn't really 495 00:32:42,256 --> 00:32:46,446 2015 Or was, again, this kind of off the cuff remark said just 496 00:32:46,514 --> 00:32:50,366 kind of like a 2015 2016 timeframe. Maybe he was planning 497 00:32:50,434 --> 00:32:54,827 it and 2015 didn't execute until May, you know, whatever that may 498 00:32:54,894 --> 00:32:59,220 be, then you're starting to cut it close. Maybe. But regardless, 499 00:32:59,460 --> 00:33:03,840 we still don't know. So, in my opinion, 500 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,270 I believe his emails were destroyed early. But that is 501 00:33:07,334 --> 00:33:11,272 just a guess at this point. It all depends on when the Kathy's 502 00:33:11,336 --> 00:33:15,020 actual resignation confirmed resignation date, or retiring 503 00:33:15,084 --> 00:33:18,769 date. When that actually was that'll determine if this was 504 00:33:18,832 --> 00:33:22,517 kosher or not. If I were to guess, I think it was early. I 505 00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:26,265 really do. So hopefully we can get that question answered. 506 00:33:26,328 --> 00:33:30,203 Number two, the second question that we still don't know what 507 00:33:30,267 --> 00:33:34,079 exact date was his email box destroyed that we don't know at 508 00:33:34,142 --> 00:33:37,700 all. According to them, the only closest the DIA came to 509 00:33:37,763 --> 00:33:41,511 answering that was prior to April 2 2022. That doesn't help 510 00:33:41,575 --> 00:33:45,641 me at all. So I have asked now a couple of times with follow ups 511 00:33:45,704 --> 00:33:49,770 by the time I recorded this, but I'm kind of being met with deaf 512 00:33:49,834 --> 00:33:53,899 ears at this point. What was the exact destruction date? Because 513 00:33:53,963 --> 00:33:58,092 even though that they won't tell me when Lacatski retired, I said 514 00:33:58,156 --> 00:34:02,158 we can forget that just tell me when the emails were destroyed. 515 00:34:02,221 --> 00:34:06,287 And then we can kind of backdate from there and we can figure it 516 00:34:06,351 --> 00:34:10,099 out. But until that happens, we're kind of in the dark. But 517 00:34:10,162 --> 00:34:13,720 bottom line though, I would guess that it was actually a 518 00:34:13,783 --> 00:34:17,150 little bit early. So was this routine procedure or an 519 00:34:17,214 --> 00:34:20,835 intentional cover up? And I think a lot of people kind of 520 00:34:20,899 --> 00:34:24,647 jumped to intentional cover up. And that could very well be 521 00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:28,395 true. But the reason why I pulled into Luis Elizondo story 522 00:34:28,458 --> 00:34:32,334 that I wrote in 2021, is what I've discovered since then, and 523 00:34:32,397 --> 00:34:36,272 that is a massive problem with record retention schedules not 524 00:34:36,336 --> 00:34:40,147 being followed. And although that is getting into a very dry 525 00:34:40,211 --> 00:34:43,959 story, I mean, I fully admit that that not everybody really 526 00:34:44,023 --> 00:34:47,771 cares about the nitty gritty details when it comes to that. 527 00:34:47,834 --> 00:34:51,837 The bottom line is what matters and that is the fact that these 528 00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:55,521 records are be being destroyed way ahead of schedule. And 529 00:34:55,585 --> 00:34:59,079 that's a problem, that these records are being met with 530 00:34:59,142 --> 00:35:02,954 absolute disregard for their historical significance, but on 531 00:35:03,017 --> 00:35:06,956 top of that absolute disregard for what they need to be doing, 532 00:35:07,020 --> 00:35:10,768 and that is preserving these records. And this is an issue. 533 00:35:10,831 --> 00:35:14,961 See, I started using the Freedom of Information Act thinking that 534 00:35:15,024 --> 00:35:18,455 the government just saved everything, and that you can 535 00:35:18,518 --> 00:35:22,012 just request and if it was there, then if it didn't fit 536 00:35:22,076 --> 00:35:25,887 into the nine exemptions, then boom, you got it right. Or it 537 00:35:25,951 --> 00:35:29,381 was heavily redacted or whatever. That was being young 538 00:35:29,445 --> 00:35:33,384 and naive and stupid on my part, because then you realize, no, 539 00:35:33,447 --> 00:35:37,386 the government actually destroys a lot. And that's part of the 540 00:35:37,449 --> 00:35:41,325 game. And part of the game is the Freedom of Information Act, 541 00:35:41,388 --> 00:35:44,882 I do not believe is broken. There's a lot of people who 542 00:35:44,946 --> 00:35:49,012 trash it. Look, I got more than 3.23 point 3 million examples on 543 00:35:49,075 --> 00:35:53,141 why the FOIA is not broken, you can get some amazing things. But 544 00:35:53,204 --> 00:35:57,016 it definitely needs help. And in one of the reasons it needs 545 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,891 help, and one of the ways it needs help, it is the amount of 546 00:36:00,955 --> 00:36:04,703 time that it takes to process requests. I've posted some in 547 00:36:04,766 --> 00:36:08,642 the last couple of months, a couple of them that almost had a 548 00:36:08,705 --> 00:36:12,390 decade. That's a huge, huge problem. Some that take years, 549 00:36:12,453 --> 00:36:16,265 to to come our way, that is a huge, huge deal. It's not just 550 00:36:16,328 --> 00:36:20,204 because US citizens shouldn't have to wait that long, because 551 00:36:20,267 --> 00:36:24,269 we shouldn't, we're, we're doing stories, we're doing research, 552 00:36:24,333 --> 00:36:28,335 whatever. We're just curious, it doesn't matter. The Freedom of 553 00:36:28,399 --> 00:36:32,020 Information Act is at our disposal for a reason. But when 554 00:36:32,083 --> 00:36:35,958 we get years of a wait, that is incredibly problematic. And I 555 00:36:36,022 --> 00:36:40,088 think that this is an issue that needs to be dealt with, because 556 00:36:40,151 --> 00:36:44,154 now when you when you add into the frustration of these delays, 557 00:36:44,217 --> 00:36:47,266 you add in the records, retention schedules, the 558 00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:50,887 records, retention schedules will destroy documents in a 559 00:36:50,951 --> 00:36:54,953 quicker amount of time than it takes some agencies to process a 560 00:36:55,017 --> 00:36:58,892 request. And what that means is, is it doesn't even matter if 561 00:36:58,955 --> 00:37:02,704 your request goes in prior to document destruction. If they 562 00:37:02,767 --> 00:37:06,452 don't process it, they may not know to go to James look at 563 00:37:06,515 --> 00:37:10,136 skis, email box that's archived in whatever way that they 564 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,139 archive and say, Hey, we have pending FOIA here, we have to go 565 00:37:14,202 --> 00:37:18,204 ahead and save that material for longer. No, none of that takes 566 00:37:18,268 --> 00:37:22,016 place. So if they prolong the processing of these requests, 567 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,828 whether it be maliciously, intentionally, or just, it's the 568 00:37:25,891 --> 00:37:29,576 nature of the beast, because they're understaffed, doesn't 569 00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:33,769 really matter. The end result is that it takes longer to process, 570 00:37:33,832 --> 00:37:37,707 that means all these records are destroyed. Now, we've talked 571 00:37:37,771 --> 00:37:41,773 about seven years here a couple of times, but there are records 572 00:37:41,837 --> 00:37:45,585 that are destroyed, literally within 30 to 45 days, all UFO 573 00:37:45,648 --> 00:37:49,651 fans out there will really kind of cringe on this one. But when 574 00:37:49,714 --> 00:37:53,843 it comes to the FAA records, and a lot of tower logs and, and the 575 00:37:53,907 --> 00:37:57,973 control tower recordings, while pilots are encountering UFOs and 576 00:37:58,036 --> 00:38:02,166 UAP. That's undeniable, I have a pile of FOIA requests that prove 577 00:38:02,229 --> 00:38:05,787 that. But the only way I was able to prove that was that 578 00:38:05,850 --> 00:38:09,852 people gave me a tip. And they said there was an encounter over 579 00:38:09,916 --> 00:38:13,410 Dallas on this date. That happened two weeks ago. So go 580 00:38:13,473 --> 00:38:17,222 after records on it. And sure enough, recordings would come 581 00:38:17,285 --> 00:38:20,843 up, tower logs would note it, these incidents were being 582 00:38:20,906 --> 00:38:24,718 archived. But if it's after the 30 or 45 day period, the FAA 583 00:38:24,781 --> 00:38:28,657 destroys the air traffic control recordings, and they destroy 584 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,468 records because they don't keep them forever. Now, that's a 585 00:38:32,532 --> 00:38:36,343 problem. Now I'm only talking about one specific UFO related 586 00:38:36,407 --> 00:38:40,092 reason. And that's really interesting to me, may not be to 587 00:38:40,155 --> 00:38:44,030 the whole world. But what else is being lost on those shorter 588 00:38:44,094 --> 00:38:47,842 retention schedules? Some are only three years. Well, three 589 00:38:47,905 --> 00:38:51,908 years isn't a long wait when you talk about FOIA. So yet again, 590 00:38:51,971 --> 00:38:55,910 you're talking about a lot of material that's just being lost. 591 00:38:55,974 --> 00:38:59,531 A lot of these programs and stuff take years to come out 592 00:38:59,595 --> 00:39:03,279 into the open. But if those those records, the emails that 593 00:39:03,343 --> 00:39:07,091 went in, to creating these programs, because a lot of times 594 00:39:07,154 --> 00:39:10,648 those emails and the banter back and forth, that's more 595 00:39:10,712 --> 00:39:14,587 interesting than what happened during the program itself. And 596 00:39:14,651 --> 00:39:18,335 the final reports and the quarterly summary reports and so 597 00:39:18,399 --> 00:39:22,401 on. The behind the scenes is a lot more interesting. But by the 598 00:39:22,465 --> 00:39:26,340 time that stuff is public, it's all gone. It's all destroyed. 599 00:39:26,403 --> 00:39:30,024 That's not true across the board. But it's true in enough 600 00:39:30,088 --> 00:39:33,900 cases, that we need action. We need to do something about it 601 00:39:33,963 --> 00:39:37,584 because we are losing valuable, important history. And it 602 00:39:37,648 --> 00:39:41,332 doesn't matter what the topic is. Because all topics apply 603 00:39:41,396 --> 00:39:45,398 records retention schedules, it doesn't matter if it's a UFO or 604 00:39:45,462 --> 00:39:48,956 UAAP report or recording or something about aircraft or 605 00:39:49,019 --> 00:39:52,513 something about whatever, it doesn't stipulate that the 606 00:39:52,577 --> 00:39:56,325 records as a whole are either kept or destroyed. And that's 607 00:39:56,388 --> 00:40:00,073 it. And that needs to change. I hope we get more about the 608 00:40:00,136 --> 00:40:03,885 Lacatski emails. I continue to dig not only through getting 609 00:40:03,948 --> 00:40:07,887 more information from dia, but also doing the exact same thing 610 00:40:07,950 --> 00:40:11,889 I did with Elizondo. And that was finding out key players that 611 00:40:11,953 --> 00:40:16,082 he was likely communicating with through other agencies, or maybe 612 00:40:16,145 --> 00:40:20,084 even dia, that even though the Catskills email boxes gone, the 613 00:40:20,148 --> 00:40:23,578 receiving end may have a retention schedule that says, 614 00:40:23,642 --> 00:40:27,390 hey, this person is kept in perpetuity forever. And so even 615 00:40:27,453 --> 00:40:31,202 though the Catskills email box is gone, you do a request on 616 00:40:31,265 --> 00:40:34,314 that person for all communications they had with 617 00:40:34,378 --> 00:40:38,380 James Lacatski. And hopefully, fingers crossed, you can get the 618 00:40:38,444 --> 00:40:41,874 material. So it's a back engineering, if you will, the 619 00:40:41,938 --> 00:40:45,749 communications from James the cat ski out. I've done it with 620 00:40:45,813 --> 00:40:49,752 Luis Elizondo, and I've gotten results, not a tip related. But 621 00:40:49,815 --> 00:40:53,500 it was able to show a little bit of a glimpse of what Luis 622 00:40:53,563 --> 00:40:57,566 Elizondo his job was within the Pentagon. Hopefully, we'll have 623 00:40:57,629 --> 00:41:01,314 the same with Rakowski. Only time will tell months, years, 624 00:41:01,377 --> 00:41:05,189 decades. Who knows. But you know, I've already filed quite a 625 00:41:05,252 --> 00:41:09,255 bit and I will report it to you whenever it comes in. So that's 626 00:41:09,318 --> 00:41:13,066 the update. Thank you so much for hanging out with me for a 627 00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:16,687 little bit here, talking about document destruction. And 628 00:41:16,751 --> 00:41:20,626 whether or not it's kosher or not by the book or not. 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